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Offline buildingcincinnati

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Re: Cincinnati: Over-the-Rhine: Development and News (non-3CDC)
« Reply #480 on: August 22, 2007, 01:15:27 PM »
The Good-HVAC means the window air-conditioners will be gone and the restoration of the facade will be a vast improvement. The Bad-The building will be gutted and interior historical features will be lost or covered over.

I would hope that they would try to save and re-use historical woodwork, etc. from the existing building.  I didn't ask Mr. Blaine about that specifically.  I don't even know the condition of the inside.  Perhaps that kind of stuff has been lost already.

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« Reply #481 on: August 22, 2007, 05:56:59 PM »
So, I was looking at the MidPoint Music Festival's site and saw 3 new bars listed on Main St.  Speakeasy at 1134 Main, q at 1142 Main, and Pizza Bar at 1207 Main.  Does anyone know if these are there to stay or if they are just temporary venues for the festival? 

Also, Jardin (the wine bar where Neon's used to be) is listed as a venue.  Hopefully they will finally be open and functioning, too.

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« Reply #482 on: August 22, 2007, 08:32:32 PM »
Last rumor I heard (as of last week) is that there will be 4-5 new venues opening on Main in the next few months.  One of which I heard was Lucy Blue moving into the Harry's space - maybe thats the Pizza Bar.

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« Reply #483 on: August 22, 2007, 08:52:19 PM »
One of which I heard was Lucy Blue moving into the Harry's space

I've heard that one as well.

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« Reply #484 on: August 22, 2007, 11:36:18 PM »
Seems to be the right address for Harry's.  Good stuff!

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« Reply #485 on: August 25, 2007, 11:50:23 AM »
Urban Sites seeks tax credits for Main Street site
Building Cincinnati, 8/22/07

Urban Sites Properties has applied for Ohio Historic Preservation Tax Credits for its Courtyard project at 1417-1421 Main Street.

The tax credits, which are distributed by the Ohio Department of Development (ODOD), are equal to 25 percent of the owner's qualifying rehabilitation expenditures.*

ODOD and the Ohio Historic Preservation Office have deemed eligible $685,511 of the projected $945,513 project cost.**

Both buildings are in the Over-the-Rhine Historic District, one of 28 City districts listed in the National Register of Historic Places.

Units in the buildings will be loft-styled with stainless appliances, granite countertops and skylights. There will also be off-street parking and a common courtyard.

No details about the number of units or the pricing are available.

The upper floors were previously used as offices and storage. First floor tenant spaces are currently occupied by Mainly Art and Vintage Poster Bank.

Ohio Historic Preservation Tax Credits are issued throughout the year with only 100 tax credits issued during any one year period.

Statewide, there are 72 projects currently seeking credits.

View 12 interiors on the Urban Sites Properties website

WINDOWS LIVE BIRD'S EYE VIEW (looking west)
GOOGLE AERIAL MAP

* The credit can be claimed against the building owner's Ohio corporate franchise tax, personal income tax, or dealer-in-intangible tax liability.
** In other words, roughly $171,378 in tax credits.


http://buildingcincinnati.blogspot.com/2007/08/urban-sites-seeks-tax-credits-for-main.html

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« Reply #486 on: August 27, 2007, 08:08:00 AM »
Has anyone on this board heard about the Freestore plan to demolish two OTR buildings for semi-trailer parking? 

http://www.citykin.com/2007/08/duck-regatta-to-fund-otr-demolition.html

Am I right to remember that this is part of the national historic district, but that it is not in the local historic district?

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« Reply #487 on: August 27, 2007, 08:45:39 AM »
It's in the local district. The demo permit was not approved by the Historic Conservation Board.

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« Reply #488 on: August 27, 2007, 08:53:35 AM »
Has anyone on this board heard about the Freestore plan to demolish two OTR buildings for semi-trailer parking? 

http://www.citykin.com/2007/08/duck-regatta-to-fund-otr-demolition.html

Am I right to remember that this is part of the national historic district, but that it is not in the local historic district?

It is in the local district as well.  I don't know if you got my email, but they also want to tear down a couple of warehouse type buildings for even more surface parking:



The problem is that there is an exception in the zoning code that basically allows a non-profit to ignore historic designations and demolish any building they want if it doesn't fit their functional or economic program.
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« Reply #489 on: August 27, 2007, 08:59:00 AM »
It's in the local district. The demo permit was not approved by the Historic Conservation Board.

It was only submitted for a preliminary design review before HCB, which is only informational.  The HCB and the neighborhood was not keen on it, obviously.  They haven't actually submitted for a demolition permit yet, as far as I know.

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« Reply #490 on: August 27, 2007, 09:32:25 AM »
I stop giving to the freestore after I moved down here. There is always clothes strewn all over in front of the building. Thanks for the heads up on that Jskin!

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« Reply #491 on: August 27, 2007, 09:34:49 AM »
^Same here Maximillian. They have taken no steps to address that, either.

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« Reply #492 on: August 27, 2007, 11:00:44 AM »
I stop giving to the freestore after I moved down here. There is always clothes strewn all over in front of the building.

The clothes and stuff strewn around the building bugs me as well.  Is this because people just drop stuff off after hours and leave it in front of the building?  They have a sign asking people not to leave stuff after hours.  Or is there something else going on as well?

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« Reply #493 on: August 27, 2007, 11:31:27 AM »
thanks McMick for the site plan.  Looks like they have plans for lots and lots of parking lots.  Wow what a genius plan.  They will be remembered in history for their great forethought on this matter.  (insert angry sarcasm here)

Seems like all this trucking and parking would be better located at their Tennessee Avenue address.

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« Reply #494 on: August 27, 2007, 12:40:37 PM »
The clothes and stuff strewn around the building bugs me as well.  Is this because people just drop stuff off after hours and leave it in front of the building?  They have a sign asking people not to leave stuff after hours.  Or is there something else going on as well?

They only staff the drop off until 4 or 4:30, so apparently a lot of people drop stuff off after work.

Seems like all this trucking and parking would be better located at their Tennessee Avenue address.

And this doesn't come close to what they actually need.  According to their representatives, they:

move 1.5 million tons of food through the facility a year
will serve 54,000 unduplicated clients this year
will serve 190,000 visits for food by 2009
serve over 40,000 people in the three days before thanksgiving and the 3 days before christmas
serve 16 counties

This is a massive operation, totally unsuited for a urban environment.  As stated before, they don't serve the residents of OTR (which only numbers 4,900 by the Social Compact study). 

These kinds of battles are then next big challenge for OTR and the West End.  We're not against helping people, but we shouldn't be the social service center for the whole city, county, and region.
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« Reply #495 on: August 27, 2007, 01:43:19 PM »
These kinds of battles are then next big challenge for OTR and the West End.  We're not against helping people, but we shouldn't be the social service center for the whole city, county, and region.

Exactly...many people don't seem to understand or have that same logic (unfortunately).

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« Reply #496 on: August 27, 2007, 04:01:51 PM »
Does anyone know whats up with the eyesore to the east of the Freestore Foodbank, with the Don's Crank Shaft signs? I see portable toilets on the lot, I'm guessing for the people who are doing rehab work in the building next door. Infill would be nice. I hope the parcels don't end up as more surface parking.

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« Reply #497 on: August 27, 2007, 04:17:51 PM »
Does anyone know whats up with the eyesore to the east of the Freestore Foodbank, with the Don's Crank Shaft signs? I see portable toilets on the lot, I'm guessing for the people who are doing rehab work in the building next door. Infill would be nice. I hope the parcels don't end up as more surface parking.

Vernon Rader, the guy who is renovating all the buildings on that corner, is going to turn it into a gallery (the building fronts on McMicken).  I assume the parking will stay parking, but probably cleaned up.

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« Reply #498 on: August 27, 2007, 04:26:23 PM »
I really wish the old Dons crankshaft building hadn't been razed, I don't like to see surface lots. The other biggest eyesores around there are the freestore, crossroads clinic old KFC and the Shell gas station. Those are the only buildings in OTR I wouldn't mind seeing demolished

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« Reply #499 on: August 27, 2007, 09:06:22 PM »
I really wish the old Dons crankshaft building hadn't been razed, I don't like to see surface lots. The other biggest eyesores around there are the freestore, crossroads clinic old KFC and the Shell gas station. Those are the only buildings in OTR I wouldn't mind seeing demolished

The Don's Crankshaft building is still there on McMicken, I'm not sure when the buildings on Liberty were torn down, but it seems like quite a while ago.  There are plans to improve the Shell station, the owner is still waiting to make a decision to move forward.

I agree with you on the Freestore, Crossroads, and KFC (why the hell did they paint it purple and teal instead of leaving it primer white?)

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« Reply #500 on: August 27, 2007, 09:10:42 PM »
so you don't know it is a abandoned kfc

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« Reply #501 on: August 27, 2007, 09:13:48 PM »
so you don't know it is a abandoned kfc

I know KFC left, it seems odd they painted it more than just white/grey when they left.

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« Reply #502 on: August 27, 2007, 10:19:21 PM »
so you don't know it is an abandoned kfc

I know KFC left, it seems odd they painted it more than just white/grey when they left.
I meant, so a passerby doesn't know it is an abandoned kfc, not you specifically
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« Reply #503 on: August 28, 2007, 05:35:24 AM »
They did the same thing to the abandoned KFC in Price Hill.   Painted it grey and parked a bulldozer next door just to tease us!

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« Reply #504 on: August 28, 2007, 05:46:58 AM »
I really wish the old Dons crankshaft building hadn't been razed, I don't like to see surface lots. The other biggest eyesores around there are the freestore, crossroads clinic old KFC and the Shell gas station. Those are the only buildings in OTR I wouldn't mind seeing demolished
I hate seeing any historic building demolition in OTR, especially, especially if it is to provide a surface parking lot.  If a new building is proposed to replace an old building, I still don't like it, but will grudgingly accept it.
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« Reply #505 on: August 28, 2007, 05:50:59 AM »
.. I'm not sure when the buildings on Liberty were torn down, but it seems like quite a while ago. 
One large one was just torn down at that location just a couple years ago, McMick.

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« Reply #506 on: August 28, 2007, 06:48:48 AM »
.. I'm not sure when the buildings on Liberty were torn down, but it seems like quite a while ago. 
One large one was just torn down at that location just a couple years ago, McMick.

That's right, I forgot about it.  It's hard keeping track of when all these different buildings were torn down.

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« Reply #507 on: August 28, 2007, 08:46:28 AM »
The Don's Crankshaft building is still there on McMicken, I'm not sure when the buildings on Liberty were torn down, but it seems like quite a while ago.  There are plans to improve the Shell station, the owner is still waiting to make a decision to move forward.

Ooh, I thought Don's Crankshaft used to be on Liberty, and it was torn down, and now only old signs are present. I didn't know there was something else entirely on Liberty. I've only been in Cincy for about a year and a half, and am new to OTR. I still wish there would be infill in that space on Liberty, instead of another surface lot. The backs of all the buildings visible from that lot are in pretty poor shape and make the buildings/neighborhood look uncared for. Plus there is already a ton of surface parking in that area. If people in the new apartments across the street, I wish they could park in the lot on the southwest corner of Liberty & Main. I never see any cars there ever.

As for the Shell station, I wonder how it could be improved. I don't think I've ever seen a gas station that I cared for. Shell does blare loud classical music though. I heard from a couple friends businesses on Short Vine used to do that to deter people from loitering.

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« Reply #508 on: August 28, 2007, 09:05:30 AM »
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As for the Shell station, I wonder how it could be improved
The Shell gas station is going to have a walk-in store built. The new owner is supposedly going to invest over a million dollars in it.  I wish the dang thing had never been there in the first place.

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« Reply #509 on: August 28, 2007, 09:08:19 AM »
Well I'm not going to lie, when I had a car it was convenient to get gas there. I remember that picture I saw of an indoor gas station in Portland and it was a nice brick building. I wouldn't mind seeing something like that there instead.