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Title: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: jjames0408 on June 26, 2012, 08:56:52 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was unable to find a general Gateway District thread.  I feel that with E4th nearly full and spillover happening currently, we are going to hear of a lot more redevelopment projects in the coming years.  Since according to http://www.clevelandgatewaydistrict.com/district-map/ (http://www.clevelandgatewaydistrict.com/district-map/) Gateway encompasses Superior-Carnegie and Ontario to E14, this would clear up the issue of not knowing where to put the random developments (such as Potbelly's, Chipotle, etc).  Yesterday, I noticed workers in the vacant space at Prospect and E8 (across from Winking Lizard and behind City Club).  There are no signs or announcements, but this is the first I've ever seen even a door open at this location. Up to this point, there has only been the steel framing. Now there are hardhats.  Possible sign of things to come??
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: McLovin on June 26, 2012, 10:48:27 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was unable to find a general Gateway District thread.  I feel that with E4th nearly full and spillover happening currently, we are going to hear of a lot more redevelopment projects in the coming years.  Since according to http://www.clevelandgatewaydistrict.com/district-map/ (http://www.clevelandgatewaydistrict.com/district-map/) Gateway encompasses Superior-Carnegie and Ontario to E14, this would clear up the issue of not knowing where to put the random developments (such as Potbelly's, Chipotle, etc).  Yesterday, I noticed workers in the vacant space at Prospect and E8 (across from Winking Lizard and behind City Club).  There are no signs or announcements, but this is the first I've ever seen even a door open at this location. Up to this point, there has only been the steel framing. Now there are hardhats.  Possible sign of things to come??
There probably is something going on probably in anticipation of the second phase of the Casino and and spillover from the things happening on Euclid and also 4th street
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on June 26, 2012, 10:52:22 AM
But nothing concrete has been announced, or even rumored yet has it?

We still have a Filling In Euclid Avenue thread, but it seemed to have been a dumping ground for everything along Euclid all the way east into University Circle. And any development along Euclid between Public Square and Playhouse Square could be a topic for probably three or more existing threads. So what's the consensus of how to organize this?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on June 26, 2012, 11:10:42 AM
Gateway needs some sort of thread.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on June 26, 2012, 05:33:41 PM
Gateway needs some sort of thread.
Agreed...there's Prospect, E6, E12, Huron, Carnegie, there are really neat possible loft converts on Bolivar...none of that will be covered in anything we currently have if/when something happens.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: musky on June 27, 2012, 09:11:40 AM
But nothing concrete has been announced, or even rumored yet has it?



I recall seeing posted here in another thread someone in the know stating they saw the permits filed in regard to Phase II
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Paul in Cleveland on June 27, 2012, 09:31:34 AM
Has anyone seen any new renderings of the proposed Ontario Pointe development? I heard that they might be proposing some new parking garage/retain thing on that little triangle of land opposite Progressive Field. They had an ugly proposal 5-8 years ago that nothing ever came of ...
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on June 28, 2012, 12:01:40 AM
I recall seeing posted here in another thread someone in the know stating they saw the permits filed in regard to Phase II

I'm talking about developments in the Gateway District. The Phase 2 casino is not in the Gateway District (http://www.clevelandgatewaydistrict.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/GD_Map-Sections_Page-One-e1331589083979.jpg (http://www.clevelandgatewaydistrict.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/GD_Map-Sections_Page-One-e1331589083979.jpg)) and even if it was, the phase 2 casino has its own thread and is a known commodity. What developments are planned in Gateway? If there are none, why the new thread now? If we want to discuss our wishes and goals, then perhaps this should be moved to City Discussion until there is literally something concrete to talk about?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on June 28, 2012, 10:26:04 AM
I mean, I guess if it's better to use E4th for all of the spillover stuff and 20 different threads for each building in the Gateway district, then so be it.  Just trying to make things easier. There's a Warehouse District thread and no development along with many others and it is slightly aggravating opening up E4th developments to see people talking about E6th and Euclid. That's all that I'm saying. 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on June 28, 2012, 12:16:04 PM
Cleveland developers win tax credits to bring 111 apartments downtown

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- State tax credits aimed at preservation will help developers bring 111 apartments to downtown Cleveland and revive the Franklin Hotel, the tallest historic building in Kent.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/06/cleveland_developers_win_prese.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/06/cleveland_developers_win_prese.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Htsguy on June 28, 2012, 12:26:49 PM
^OK I am going to be that pain in the butt poster who mentions that this article has already been posted in two other different threads ("Filling in Euclid Avenue" and "Downtown Residences"), and two days ago to boot.  It is frustrating when the same article is posted in so many different threads since the follow up discussion is all over the place.  Somebody will make a comment and it is hard to recall if it was in this thread or that one and the discussion becomes scattered and people just keep repeating themselves.

Also, what does this have to do with Gateway?  Really don't consider Euclid Avenue (especially the south side or west of East Ninth Street where the buildings are located) part of Gateway.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MyTwoSense on June 28, 2012, 12:27:16 PM
^OK I am going to be that pain in the butt poster who mentions that this article has already been posted in two other different threads ("Filling in Euclid Avenue" and "Downtown Residences"), and two days ago to boot.  It is frustrating when the same article is posted in so many different threads since the follow up discussion is all over the place.  Somebody will make a comment and it is hard to recall if it was in this thread or that one and the discussion becomes scattered and people just keep repeating themselves.

Also, what does this have to do with Gateway?  Really don't consider Euclid Avenue (especially the south side or west of East Ninth Street where the buildings are located) part of Gateway.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on June 28, 2012, 12:34:17 PM
Then what neighborhood is it? According to the Gateway District (which is where I live) it is.  I don't think Financial District really exists anymore and 9/12 is really just that.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: 327 on June 28, 2012, 12:39:11 PM
At some point the term ceases to have meaning.  It makes no sense to call the core of the city a "Gateway" to anything.  You're not on the way there... you're there.  This is there.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MyTwoSense on June 28, 2012, 12:54:30 PM
At some point the term ceases to have meaning.  It makes no sense to call the core of the city a "Gateway" to anything.  You're not on the way there... you're there.  This is there.

....which takes this topic further off topic.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on June 28, 2012, 02:32:13 PM
OK, now I'm going to imbed the map since a few folks didn't bother to click on the link I posted earlier from the Gateway District CDC....

(http://www.clevelandgatewaydistrict.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/GD_Map-Sections_Page-One-e1331589083979.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Whipjacka on June 28, 2012, 02:44:19 PM
I think the best way to do it would be to dedicate a thread to each big project.  and put small things like potbelly and chipotle in a "Random Gateway Development" thread.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on June 28, 2012, 03:38:37 PM
OK, now I'm going to imbed the map since a few folks didn't bother to click on the link I posted earlier from the Gateway District CDC....

(http://www.clevelandgatewaydistrict.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/GD_Map-Sections_Page-One-e1331589083979.jpg)
Nor the one in the original post.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MyTwoSense on June 28, 2012, 03:45:21 PM
OK, now I'm going to imbed the map since a few folks didn't bother to click on the link I posted earlier from the Gateway District CDC....

(http://www.clevelandgatewaydistrict.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/GD_Map-Sections_Page-One-e1331589083979.jpg)

I for one didn't look at the link, but I think it's overkill to post that article here.    I have spoken!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on June 28, 2012, 04:58:41 PM
I think the best way to do it would be to dedicate a thread to each big project.  and put small things like potbelly and chipotle in a "Random Gateway Development" thread.

Dude makes sense.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MyTwoSense on June 28, 2012, 05:17:45 PM
I think the best way to do it would be to dedicate a thread to each big project.  and put small things like potbelly and chipotle in a "Random Gateway Development" thread.

Dude makes sense.

But at the same time those two topics would be in the Cleveland restaurant thread.  There has got to be a better way of deciding how items are posted and its seems that we have a lot of multi themed topics and UO has grown to the point were we need some posting guidelines.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jhonopolis on June 28, 2012, 06:54:09 PM
Filling In Euclid Avenue is almost pointless. We have a University Circle thread, Midtown Thread, Cleveland State Thread, Playhouse Square Thread, East 4th Street thread, and then individual building threads(John Hartness Brown, Truman, Schofield, May Company, etc.) And then we have a thread for retail news, restaurant news, and apartment/condo news. Its too much!!!! :D


The rule should just be, if the project has a dedicated thread for it, dont post it anywhere else.

Example...

An article/post about the Schofield Building should be in the Schofield Building thread. The article should not also be posted in the more generic, residences thread, hotel thread, restaurant thread, or retail thread. It could technically fit all of those threads but it only makes sense to post it in the thread dedicated to the project.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on June 28, 2012, 08:21:46 PM
I think the problem is people don't look in all the threads to realize that there is one...on top of that, there are some that haven't been posted in for years on page 5 of the thread list...so it ends up somewhere else.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jhonopolis on June 28, 2012, 08:25:29 PM
I think the problem is people don't look in all the threads to realize that there is one...on top of that, there are some that haven't been posted in for years on page 5 of the thread list...so it ends up somewhere else.

Then a moderator should move the post. And thats the extreme. Most of the times its not that far back
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MyTwoSense on June 29, 2012, 12:15:59 AM
I think the problem is people don't look in all the threads to realize that there is one...on top of that, there are some that haven't been posted in for years on page 5 of the thread list...so it ends up somewhere else.

Then a moderator should move the post. And thats the extreme. Most of the times its not that far back

Agreed!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on July 06, 2012, 07:12:20 PM
I'm pretty sure DNA lounge (the 2nd floor and rooftop bar) on Prospect got new signage but can't remember what it was before lol.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Mov2Ohio on July 07, 2012, 12:00:46 PM
I think it was The View.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: w28th on July 08, 2012, 12:48:35 PM
Yeah it's called DNA LEVEL C, (Cleveland spelled backwards).  Pretty cool name.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on July 08, 2012, 01:56:55 PM
Yeah it's called DNA LEVEL C, (Cleveland spelled backwards).  Pretty cool name.

Now THAT'S clever!!  :clap:
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on July 08, 2012, 04:02:43 PM
I'm sorry...I meant I don't remember what sign was there before...the sign is definitely new...the DNA sign prior didn't have the barcode.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on August 08, 2012, 11:34:52 PM
Not sure if a 20-foot x 50-foot banner qualifies as a development, but it's been proposed anyway........

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/bbs/agenda/2012/AGENDA08152012.pdf (http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/bbs/agenda/2012/AGENDA08152012.pdf)

Agenda
BOARD OF BUILDING STANDARDS AND BUILDING APPEALS
Room 514 – City Hall
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 15, 2012

Docket A-180-12 700 Prospect Avenue WARD: 3
(Joe Cimperman)
700 Prospect Corp., Owner of the Property appeals from an ADJUDICATION ORDER (proposed installation of a 20’ x 50’ mesh wall banner sign attached to east façade of United Church of Christ), dated July 27 2012; appellant states that this banner material will meet all requirements of the ASTM D635 testing; the code allows 40 sq. ft., Appellant is requesting a 20’ x 50’ mesh banner as a wall mural; and that this sign-banner will be over broken windows on their building, no blockage will occur. However, it is a screen mesh that will allow vision from the inside to outside so no blockage will happen.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: ChiCleveKid on August 10, 2012, 12:17:58 AM
Yeah it's called DNA LEVEL C, (Cleveland spelled backwards).  Pretty cool name.

Now THAT'S clever!!  :clap:
You could say it puts the CLEVE in CLEVEr. 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on August 31, 2012, 06:17:40 PM
East Fourth Yoga is moving into the House of Blues space for Saturday yoga...Let's hope this is to make way for Chipotle!!

From Facebook:
"East 4th & Yoga is moving! Come join us tomorrow (9/1) at our new location, 308 Euclid Avenue at the House of Blues Cleveland! Ezra Warren will kick us off with an all levels class at 10am. See you there!"
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: nehpets19 on September 01, 2012, 12:32:22 AM
There is an Indian restaurant being built into the space next to Jake's Gyros on Ontario Street right across the casino. They have signs up that it's opening soon
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sizzlinbeef on September 01, 2012, 08:14:02 AM
Mirch Masala.  It's making about as much progress as "Southern Comfort Kitchen" was a few months ago at that same spot. 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on November 26, 2012, 05:30:55 PM
There seems to be some action going on in the Fifth Street Arcades. The Euclid space, east of Colossal Cupcakes is a pop-up shop called Collective Upcycle. It is up and ready to go, but the photo I took was super blurry...here's their sign.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8344/8221313447_63e19bdc60.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89710079@N04/8221313447/)
IMG_2849 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89710079@N04/8221313447/#) by jjames0408 (http://www.flickr.com/people/89710079@N04/), on Flickr

There were a few places I'd not seen before such as this one:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8068/8222388510_cfa0e8ac10.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89710079@N04/8222388510/)
IMG_2850 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89710079@N04/8222388510/#) by jjames0408 (http://www.flickr.com/people/89710079@N04/), on Flickr
with many other spaces covered in the black paper.

Across from Progressive Field, we are getting a better taste of the design of the sidewalks...
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8477/8221309129_8f9a3c13fa.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89710079@N04/8221309129/)
IMG_2854 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89710079@N04/8221309129/#) by jjames0408 (http://www.flickr.com/people/89710079@N04/), on Flickr

Progress on the Tri C administrative parking garage:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8349/8221311509_95a57020a5.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89710079@N04/8221311509/)
IMG_2851 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89710079@N04/8221311509/#) by jjames0408 (http://www.flickr.com/people/89710079@N04/), on Flickr

I just saw new signage for Goodfellers this week:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8200/8222384434_c235695d4d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89710079@N04/8222384434/)
IMG_2855 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89710079@N04/8222384434/#) by jjames0408 (http://www.flickr.com/people/89710079@N04/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Zimzolla on November 26, 2012, 09:53:08 PM
^ You noticed our new City Beautiful space I see. We just got done painting it last week.

City Beautiful is the organization that will be evolving out of Save Lower Prospect Avenue from the Columbia building fiasco. Dick Pace is lending space to non-profits to bring interest to the arcades until he can find real leases for the spaces, and we were able to secure a space, and will be holding our meetings and doing planning work in there.

Our organization worked on the Wolfe Music building after the Columbia (where although we lost the building, we did get some concessions thanks to councilman Johnson) and now we are working on a Slavic village project.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on November 26, 2012, 11:10:07 PM
Haha...I was intrigued by the chopped up map!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: punch on November 26, 2012, 11:26:25 PM
Good Luck Zimzolla! 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: McLovin on November 28, 2012, 11:38:44 AM
I always thought the Gateway District was odd as it is vastly undeveloped which you see when you are coming off the freeway and is a surprise because of what is around there....
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: BuckeyeVille on December 21, 2012, 08:17:36 AM
I have heard the a restaurant will be replacing the Nexus Cafe, although I forgot what the name will be.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on December 21, 2012, 09:09:04 AM
It's something like Soul Central. I'll check when I go outside later.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: pgn711 on December 21, 2012, 10:06:31 AM
I have heard the a restaurant will be replacing the Nexus Cafe, although I forgot what the name will be.

I'll save you the trip. It's going to be called Stonetown. I believe there was an article posted in another thread. It's going to be Soul Food. And they aren't using the back space. It's being leased to someone else.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: PoshSteve on December 23, 2012, 08:51:45 AM
So i was walking down Huron from the Q last night, and they had the sidewalkin front of the old ATT building covered and looked like they were doing work on it. Anyone here know whats going on there?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: pgn711 on December 27, 2012, 09:10:24 AM
So i was walking down Huron from the Q last night, and they had the sidewalkin front of the old ATT building covered and looked like they were doing work on it. Anyone here know whats going on there?

That's the view outside my window every day. Some of the scaffolding has been up for a couple months now, but they recently added more. The only work I've noticed is from Coon Reconstruction. They've been scaling different sides of the building doing some type of concrete/mortar work. My guess is just checking for cracks and sealing. The scaffolding is probably for protection from falling debris.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on December 27, 2012, 09:59:54 AM
The Daily Planet is located there!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on January 09, 2013, 05:36:02 PM
Colossal Cupcakes will either be getting signage or an art piece by Feb 1st. Per Facebook: "A six foot 3D cupcake would look pretty cool on Euclid...don't you agree?" and then in the comments: "By February 1, Cleveland will own the worlds largest cupcake!"

Also...Chocolate 76 will be opening up shop on January 21, where they will be selling the city their handmade chocolate in the 5th Street Arcades.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: PoshSteve on January 09, 2013, 06:01:08 PM
hmmm... Colossal Cupcake and the Chocolate Bar on Euclid, and now Chocolate 76 in the Arcade. Is this the start of the Cleveland Sugar District??  :-P
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Mendo on January 09, 2013, 08:00:16 PM
The Diabetes District has a certain ring to it. I'll definitely stop by to check out the chocolates.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on January 09, 2013, 09:05:45 PM
Diabetes District. Trademark that, please.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on January 09, 2013, 10:05:38 PM
And don't forget the soul food that just opened as well haha!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: tedders55 on January 10, 2013, 09:08:30 AM
Good thing there is a direct connection to the Clinic, could be getting a lot of use after people OD on chocolate.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: gotribe on January 10, 2013, 09:18:22 AM
Yep, the Diabetes District along the Healthline...I Like it!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: BelievelandD1 on January 10, 2013, 09:24:45 AM
Diabetes District. Trademark that, please.

+1.  Thats a no brainer. 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: PoshSteve on January 10, 2013, 05:23:20 PM
Ha! Diabetes district. I love it. Much more unique than "gateway". Now we can court Paula Dean into opening a restautant
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on January 10, 2013, 05:37:04 PM
Eww...please no! Keep that stuff down in Savannah!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MyTwoSense on January 12, 2013, 11:44:51 AM
Eww...please no! Keep that stuff down in Savannah!

How can you say that without even seeing the venues?  Without seeing them, they are unique to the area and something that residents and visitor to the are would patronize, not to mention daytime office workers.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on January 12, 2013, 12:14:37 PM
It was a joke MTS. I've been to her restaurant in Savannah. It was nothing special. There are very few places I would legitimately say keep out of the area.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mrclifton88 on January 15, 2013, 09:40:42 AM
From the Agenda... a new Sherwin Williams Banner!  I like the current one too but we need come color.  I like it!
Even has the MedMart in it.... and conveniently no name on the Browns Stadium  :roll:
(http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s377/mrclifton88/Sherwin_Williams_02_zps1c50e420.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: TPH2 on January 15, 2013, 09:42:06 AM
From the Agenda... a new SW Banner!  I like the current one too but we need come color.  I like it!


SW?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mrclifton88 on January 15, 2013, 10:11:56 AM
Sorry!  See above.  I fixed it
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: TPH2 on January 15, 2013, 10:18:19 AM
Ohhh, duh. I'm awful at recognizing acronyms. I like that a lot.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Mendo on January 15, 2013, 12:35:26 PM
Ohhh, duh. I'm awful at recognizing acronyms. I like that a lot.
Someone should photoshop a Sherwin Williams skyscraper somewhere in that  banner and email it back to them. Maybe they'll get the hint.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on January 15, 2013, 12:48:39 PM
Ohhh, duh. I'm awful at recognizing acronyms. I like that a lot.
Someone should photoshop a Sherwin Williams skyscraper somewhere in that  banner and email it back to them. Maybe they'll get the hint.

Just be sure to put it on Public Square!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: musky on January 15, 2013, 03:13:15 PM
I like it.
My only critique: why are the lights of Progressive field were so dominating in the image - why not add the wind spiral thing instead?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Mendo on January 15, 2013, 07:11:03 PM
I like it.
My only critique: why are the lights of Progressive field were so dominating in the image - why not add the wind spiral thing instead?
The turbine is supposedly only temporary. Probably a good idea to leave it off the banner if it won't be there in a year or two.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/09/cleveland_state_university_win.html (http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/09/cleveland_state_university_win.html)

Quote
The turbine is expected to generate about 40,000 kilowatt-hours per year, roughly the amount of energy needed to power four homes, Indians officials said. The ballpark uses about 17 million kilowatt-hours a year.

Rashidi plans to test the turbine for a year.

He said he has spoken with a company interested in replicating his turbine on a much smaller scale – a six-foot spiral and 18-inch turbines. It would be mounted on top of telecommunications towers like a weathervane, removing the need for electrical components.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jborger on January 16, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
My only critique: why are the lights of Progressive field were so dominating in the image - why not add the wind spiral thing instead?

The lights are fairly iconic and unique when it comes to ballparks.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: pgn711 on January 19, 2013, 10:23:41 AM
From the Agenda... a new Sherwin Williams Banner!  I like the current one too but we need come color.  I like it!
Even has the MedMart in it.... and conveniently no name on the Browns Stadium  :roll:
(http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s377/mrclifton88/Sherwin_Williams_02_zps1c50e420.jpg)

I believe some friends over at The Adcom Group designed it.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MuRrAy HiLL on January 29, 2013, 11:17:28 AM
Momentum.

Charter One Small Business Grant Program at 5th Street Arcades 

Small business entrepreneurs have an opportunity to secure grants to help their companies grow or launch in downtown Cleveland through the Downtown Cleveland Alliance 5th Street Arcades Retail Development Grant Competition in the Gateway neighborhood. The competition is a program of the Charter One Growing Communities initiative, a project aimed at boosting economic and neighborhood development.

The competition will award winning small businesses with grants ranging from $1,500 to $20,000 to assist in opening or expanding a business in the historic 5th Street Arcades,  which is located between Euclid and Prospect Avenues in the Gateway neighborhood of downtown Cleveland.  The 5th Street Arcades are now home to 30 retailers after experiencing significant growth with the addition of 10 new businesses in the past 6 months. Available spaces in the 5th Street Arcades range from 200 square feet to more than 1,000 square feet.   

 Grant winners may utilize funds for the payment of rent at 5th Street Arcades for up to one year, to purchase equipment necessary for business operation or for interior build out.

http://www.downtowncleveland.com/business/charter-one-small-business-grant-program.aspx (http://www.downtowncleveland.com/business/charter-one-small-business-grant-program.aspx)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MuRrAy HiLL on February 03, 2013, 03:26:15 AM
Colossal Cupcakes will either be getting signage or an art piece by Feb 1st. Per Facebook: "A six foot 3D cupcake would look pretty cool on Euclid...don't you agree?" and then in the comments: "By February 1, Cleveland will own the worlds largest cupcake!"

Also...Chocolate 76 will be opening up shop on January 21, where they will be selling the city their handmade chocolate in the 5th Street Arcades.

Colossal Cupcakes' new signage!  WHOA

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/217454_341429059306769_1402547600_n.jpg)

6-foot tall cupcake sign tops Colossal Cupcakes store in downtown Cleveland

     By: Mike Waterhouse, newsnet5.com

CLEVELAND - After Friday’s massive storefront addition, it’s going to be hard to miss a downtown Cleveland cupcake store.

Colossal Cupcakes, located on Euclid Avenue near East 6th Street, added a 6-foot tall cupcake as a part of the company’s signage.

Read more: http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/6-foot-tall-cupcake-sign-tops-colossal-cupcakes-store-in-downtown-cleveland#ixzz2Jp44cMXw (http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/6-foot-tall-cupcake-sign-tops-colossal-cupcakes-store-in-downtown-cleveland#ixzz2Jp44cMXw)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on February 03, 2013, 02:26:19 PM
There's a story not being told about these signs. Most of these small businesses don't have the design expertise or finances to afford these snazzy new signs. So they turn to the city's Storefront Renovation Program which offers financial incentives (rebates or loans) and designers who use their expertise to draw some really great signs like the one above. See also Chocolate Bar across the street and others like Thai Elephant in Kamm's Corners. I think the work these designers are doing is terrific and they deserve some kudos.

For more details, check out:
http://www.city.cleveland.oh.us/CityofCleveland/Home/Government/CityAgencies/CommunityDevelopment/StorefrontRenovation (http://www.city.cleveland.oh.us/CityofCleveland/Home/Government/CityAgencies/CommunityDevelopment/StorefrontRenovation)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MayDay on February 03, 2013, 03:53:01 PM
^Absolutely agreed.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Mendo on February 13, 2013, 01:00:29 PM
For what it's worth, I saw construction lights at East 9th and Bolivar in the upper floors above Goodfellers (which has been closed for months). Looks like they are renovating the upper floors. You could see brand new metal studs through the windows. I'm not sure if the project recently started, but I don't remember seeing the lights on before.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on February 14, 2013, 09:52:53 AM
It's office space.  They have a new office tenant (the name escapes me.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jfristik on August 01, 2013, 11:53:47 AM
Gateway Pylon Update:

http://www.dot.state.oh.us/projects/ClevelandUrbanCoreProjects/Innerbelt/InnerbeltBridge/Documents/Gateway%20Pylon%20Update.pdf (http://www.dot.state.oh.us/projects/ClevelandUrbanCoreProjects/Innerbelt/InnerbeltBridge/Documents/Gateway%20Pylon%20Update.pdf)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MayDay on August 02, 2013, 07:35:12 AM
(http://www.clevelandskyscrapers.com/uohatchet.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Clueless,Ohio on August 14, 2013, 07:18:20 PM

Facadectomy alert!
If anyone was ever curiuos as to what was under the hideous 70s-era paneled facade of the "Clevelander" bar at Prospect/Huron, well, that paneling and broken lights have been removed and something neat has been uncovered. I hope it (or part of it) stays, I dig stuff like this. This kind of patina cannot be reproduced

(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/up/DSCF8188_zps1f178bf8.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on August 14, 2013, 09:05:55 PM
Glad you caught that. It will probably be removed, so I'm glad you photographed it and hosted it on the web. Same goes for all those photos of the demolition of the historic building (whose name escapes me) for the new county administration building. Of course, that whole discussion in the Ameritrust tower thread, plus the research and photos about that building were lost in the Great UO Crash of 2013.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jfristik on August 15, 2013, 11:41:50 AM
http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2013/08/city_lawsuit_over_downtown_cle.html#incart_river_default (http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2013/08/city_lawsuit_over_downtown_cle.html#incart_river_default)

This is ridiculous.. What a hideous grouping of buildings. The city should let them demolish the buildings and build something new. That stretch is arguably the ugliest downtown. Although, Euclid is putting up a good fight east of E. 9th.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Htsguy on August 15, 2013, 11:57:08 AM
^More comments on the developments later...but for now...are you crazy or just joking?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: StapHanger on August 15, 2013, 12:01:29 PM
^^From the article, the only proposal to build something new involves the preservation of those three buildings.  Based on their line of business, what exactly do you think L&R would build if it demolishes the buildings? 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jhonopolis on August 15, 2013, 12:03:40 PM
Fine the shit out of them and deny demolition requests until the end of time. Force them to sell. This buildings are dying to compliment east 4th
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: archangel on August 15, 2013, 12:09:35 PM
If there was a proposal to build something new, I might support demolition, but there isn't, and an out-of-state parking operator hardly deserves the benefit of the doubt.

But, again, the fundamental problem is that there is no redevelopment proposal other than a parking lot - despite it sitting across from East 4th. I'd like to hear from the parties who are trying to buy it from L&R what they propose doing with it.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mrclifton88 on August 15, 2013, 12:26:26 PM
If there was a proposal to build something new, I might support demolition, but there isn't, and an out-of-state parking operator hardly deserves the benefit of the doubt.

But, again, the fundamental problem is that there is no redevelopment proposal other than a parking lot - despite it sitting across from East 4th. I'd like to hear from the parties who are trying to buy it from L&R what they propose doing with it.

Maybe the article was updated since you read it? I just read that Weston has plans to restore the building and fill the parking lot with new construction. But they have no control over the properties.

"This week, a Weston executive said the investment group also has a standing offer to buy the Kendel Building and is trying to buy the Herold Building and a small parking lot to the east from L&R. Sketches prepared by Sandvick Architects show that the developers want to restore the trio of historic buildings, bookend them with new construction and fill the block with restaurants, offices and 44 apartments.

"We're working on it," said Rob Namy, a Weston executive. "We're trying to move forward with it. We've spent money on architectural fees. We are spending money on legal fees. There's a long way to go. I don't even know if it will ever work, which is a shame. Do you think that the city needs another parking lot?"

This is so irritating! Just give it to Weston!!! Lol
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: punch on August 15, 2013, 12:34:18 PM
I think the precident the city set with the Stanley Block will make it easy for the owner to demo the building, once it goes to court.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jhonopolis on August 15, 2013, 01:07:21 PM
Shit building owners are a major problem in this city. Nearly everything MRN rents is full (East 4th, WT Grant)
While the May Company Building and these buildings sit empty/nearly empty and looking terrible. I honestly don't believe any of these are due to lack of demand, because if another owner took over and puts in the necessary repairs those spaces would be full.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on August 15, 2013, 01:13:39 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2013/08/city_lawsuit_over_downtown_cle.html#incart_river_default (http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2013/08/city_lawsuit_over_downtown_cle.html#incart_river_default)

L&R's downtown portfolio has been listed for sale since early 2012. Rico Pietro, a local real estate broker representing the company, said three potential buyers are looking at the Herold Building. But there's a gap between what L&R is asking for and what developers are willing to pay.

"I don't think we're particularly close on price point," he said, "but I think we're negotiating with the right parties to make something happen here."



Here's hoping!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Htsguy on August 15, 2013, 01:33:10 PM
Let me read between the lines....L and R bought the property back in 2008 for more than it was worth (over a million) because they clearly wanted to tear it down and expand their parking lot (which the city was fighting as early as 2009).  So they let it continue to deteriorate over the past 5 years (no matter what they say now or will say in court) because in the end it just supports their goal of demolition (which again was the goal in the first place...they are parking people not developers).  This, of course, is plain to a five year old.

Now they are stuck because the city is not only continuing to fight them over the demo for parking (surprise surprise...I am sure they felt they were just going to swoop in and tear it down back in 2008) and now the city has even closed their lot next door because they have failed to maintain the building causing them more of a financial headache (kinda ironic).  The big problem is that they problably, at this point, would like to dump the building since the scheming has failed, but since they paid so much more than market for it (note Weston bought one of the ajoining buildings for $300,000.00) they are going to take a big lose given what fair market price currently is.

If they were smart they would just cut their loses and sell to Weston in a hurry instead of continuing to pay property taxes (are they even current?) and attorney and broker fees to fight the city.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Hts121 on August 15, 2013, 01:50:24 PM
I hope everyone who pisses all over the City in the demolition threads takes note of and applaud the effort being made here.  How the case plays out will be informative at the very least for future discussions.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: math on August 15, 2013, 01:53:10 PM
If they were smart they would partner with the developers to save the building and get a bit of the money back from overpaying. Clearly it has value, even in disrepair.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: biker16 on August 15, 2013, 02:40:22 PM
imminent domain would be helpful here.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Hts121 on August 15, 2013, 02:44:44 PM
^So would eminent domain ;).......

EDIT: actually, no it wouldn't.  Eminent domain is the taking of private property for PUBLIC use.  That is not what the City wants to happen here.  The City wants to see the current owner sell the property to a private buyer.  The Ohio Supreme Court has ruled that 'economic development' is not a public use which can justify taking a property from a private owner to give it to another owner who would make better use (i.e. more economically beneficial use) of the property.  The Ohio Court was not willing to go as far as the US Supreme Court did in Kelo.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on August 15, 2013, 05:44:40 PM
A slight correction -- eminent domain is the taking of private property for public BENEFIT. For example, a blighted property where the owner has refused to comply with multiple attempts to rectify the blight can be taken, the property assessed, any structures beyond saving are demolished, and the property re-sold through a public bid or auction.

This was done for a district of old motels along Lorain Road in Fairview Park. The motels were used by travelers when Lorain was a cross-country road, but that use faded with the construction of interstates. So the motels found new use as transient housing which resulted in numerous crime problems, blight, etc. despite the best efforts of the city to patrol them. That caused high expenses for the city, negatively affected property values in the surrounding areas, and discouraged redevelopment. So the city established a redevelopment zone incorporating numerous properties and began offering to buy the properties. Most sold to the city, but a few motel owners wanted way too much money. So the city took them to court in eminent domain proceedings, which is a two-step process -- 1. to determine the public purpose of the taking in a jury trial and 2. to determine a fair value of the taking.

The redevelopment district was rezoned for office uses (which has the best net fiscal impact on a city/school district among housing or retail) via a public vote and then marketed piecemeal. It was ultimately sold off piecemeal to several office users.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on August 15, 2013, 06:55:24 PM
It should also be noted that L&R is not only trying to sell these buildings, but lease them --- not to mention the huge parking lot across the street which it also owns.

Some more interesting paragraphs from the article.....

City lawsuit over downtown Cleveland's Herold Building sets up restore-or-raze fight (slideshow, poll)
By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer
on August 15, 2013 at 12:00 PM, updated August 15, 2013 at 5:18 PM

....Real estate records show that Weston Inc., a Warrensville Heights developer, and Bobby George, a real estate and restaurant investor, are trying to gain control of the block. In October, they paid $300,000 for the Record Rendezvous building. In July, a company affiliated with Weston bought the mortgage note on the Kendel Building -- a move that could position them to acquire the property through foreclosure.

This week, a Weston executive said the investment group also has a standing offer to buy the Kendel Building and is trying to buy the Herold Building and a small parking lot to the east from L&R. Sketches prepared by Sandvick Architects show that the developers want to restore the trio of historic buildings, bookend them with new construction and fill the block with restaurants, offices and 44 apartments.

"We're working on it," said Rob Namy, a Weston executive. "We're trying to move forward with it. We've spent money on architectural fees. We are spending money on legal fees. There's a long way to go. I don't even know if it will ever work, which is a shame. Do you think that the city needs another parking lot?"

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2013/08/city_lawsuit_over_downtown_cle.html (http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2013/08/city_lawsuit_over_downtown_cle.html)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jhonopolis on August 15, 2013, 08:29:49 PM
Wait, they own that large lot as well? Now I know it will never get developed! :(
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Confiteordeo on August 15, 2013, 08:59:04 PM
Did you guys notice that the lawyer representing L&R is also the chairman of the Historic Gateway Neighborhood's board?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MuRrAy HiLL on August 15, 2013, 09:08:29 PM
I cannot imagine the uproar and disgust if these buildings come down too for more parking...RIP Stanley and Columbia...
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on August 15, 2013, 09:56:34 PM
Did you guys notice that the lawyer representing L&R is also the chairman of the Historic Gateway Neighborhood's board?

Wow that says it all right there.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on August 16, 2013, 12:29:00 AM
Did you guys notice that the lawyer representing L&R is also the chairman of the Historic Gateway Neighborhood's board?

Wow that says it all right there.

Smart to hire that guy. I'm sure he's all about historic preservation.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: clvlndr on August 16, 2013, 02:17:39 AM
Did you guys notice that the lawyer representing L&R is also the chairman of the Historic Gateway Neighborhood's board?

A Cleveland.bom poster stated it best: It's a shame that the Historic Gateway Neighborhood Corporation is apparently in part run by a shill for out of town parking lot interests.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mjarboe on August 16, 2013, 08:31:22 AM
Hey all -

L&R owns the small parking lot next to the 310 Prospect building. It's just north of the Harry Buffalo, and it's easy to overlook -- plus, it's closed right now because of the city's concerns about safety. The address of the lot is 320 Prospect.

On the Historic Gateway front, the organization led the effort to put the Herold Building, Record Rendezvous and the Kendel Building on the National Register of Historic Places, and they've been involved with the predevelopment work for a potential mixed-use redevelopment of the block. It also happens that their board chairman, one of several directors, is an attorney, and L&R is one of his clients. I felt that fact was worth noting in the story; however, you'll notice that I also quoted the executive director of Historic Gateway, who talked about preservation of the block. So there is a mix of viewpoints here.

The attorney, Michael Swearengen, told me he is very supportive of historic preservation and disagreed with the demolition of the Stanley Block and the Columbia Building. But he believes 310 Prospect is not significant and not worth saving.

This is a strange Housing Court case, so it will be interesting to see what happens.

Michelle
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on August 16, 2013, 09:25:47 AM
Hey all -

L&R owns the small parking lot next to the 310 Prospect building. It's just north of the Harry Buffalo, and it's easy to overlook -- plus, it's closed right now because of the city's concerns about safety. The address of the lot is 320 Prospect.

On the Historic Gateway front, the organization led the effort to put the Herold Building, Record Rendezvous and the Kendel Building on the National Register of Historic Places, and they've been involved with the predevelopment work for a potential mixed-use redevelopment of the block. It also happens that their board chairman, one of several directors, is an attorney, and L&R is one of his clients. I felt that fact was worth noting in the story; however, you'll notice that I also quoted the executive director of Historic Gateway, who talked about preservation of the block. So there is a mix of viewpoints here.

The attorney, Michael Swearengen, told me he is very supportive of historic preservation and disagreed with the demolition of the Stanley Block and the Columbia Building. But he believes 310 Prospect is not significant and not worth saving.

This is a strange Housing Court case, so it will be interesting to see what happens.

Michelle

Michelle - do you have access to the case number so we can view the docket?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on August 16, 2013, 09:33:19 AM
Wait, they own that large lot as well? Now I know it will never get developed! :(

I wouldn't jump off the bridge yet. The fact that they are willing to lease the big parking lot rather than just sell it (it's listed for both, sale or lease) dramatically improves the numbers for developing it. New construction is hard enough to get financing for in this town, so removing the upfront costs that come with a sale and instead spreading it out as a lease improves its chances. Think of it in terms of getting a new car -- you are able to afford a more expensive car by leasing it than you could by buying it. There's still going to have to be a ton of subsidies to make the numbers work, but the property owner has done what they could to help get the land used for something other than surface parking.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on August 16, 2013, 09:38:49 AM
Michelle - do you have access to the case number so we can view the docket?

Welcome SixthCity. Sorry to jump in here, but I searched the docket using "L&R" and came up with this.....

https://pa.clevelandmunicipalcourt.org/pa/prodpa.urd/pamw2000.o_case_sum?3760851

Go to the "dockets" tab to read the disposition of the case.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mjarboe on August 16, 2013, 09:51:56 AM
Hey all -

L&R owns the small parking lot next to the 310 Prospect building. It's just north of the Harry Buffalo, and it's easy to overlook -- plus, it's closed right now because of the city's concerns about safety. The address of the lot is 320 Prospect.

On the Historic Gateway front, the organization led the effort to put the Herold Building, Record Rendezvous and the Kendel Building on the National Register of Historic Places, and they've been involved with the predevelopment work for a potential mixed-use redevelopment of the block. It also happens that their board chairman, one of several directors, is an attorney, and L&R is one of his clients. I felt that fact was worth noting in the story; however, you'll notice that I also quoted the executive director of Historic Gateway, who talked about preservation of the block. So there is a mix of viewpoints here.

The attorney, Michael Swearengen, told me he is very supportive of historic preservation and disagreed with the demolition of the Stanley Block and the Columbia Building. But he believes 310 Prospect is not significant and not worth saving.

This is a strange Housing Court case, so it will be interesting to see what happens.

Michelle

Michelle - do you have access to the case number so we can view the docket?

The new Cleveland Housing Court case is 13 CVG 0011713. You can find it through the Housing Court docket search, or search for LR 310 Prospect Investors. Interestingly, this is a civil case. The city usually pursues criminal cases against property owners in Housing Court. FYI - the hearing set for Aug. 30 has been turned into a pre-trial conference, so it likely will happen in a conference room, behind closed doors, instead of the courtroom. We'll see.

Michelle
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on August 16, 2013, 10:01:21 AM
Michelle - do you have access to the case number so we can view the docket?

Welcome SixthCity. Sorry to jump in here, but I searched the docket using "L&R" and came up with this.....

https://pa.clevelandmunicipalcourt.org/pa/prodpa.urd/pamw2000.o_case_sum?3760851

Go to the "dockets" tab to read the disposition of the case.

KJP - Thanks for looking this up, I appreciate it.  Its interesting to see that the City has fined them in the past.  I'm thinking, however, because this case was closed in 2010 - there is a pending case file floating around out there regarding the current lawsuit which is not closed.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on August 16, 2013, 10:02:40 AM
Hey all -

L&R owns the small parking lot next to the 310 Prospect building. It's just north of the Harry Buffalo, and it's easy to overlook -- plus, it's closed right now because of the city's concerns about safety. The address of the lot is 320 Prospect.

On the Historic Gateway front, the organization led the effort to put the Herold Building, Record Rendezvous and the Kendel Building on the National Register of Historic Places, and they've been involved with the predevelopment work for a potential mixed-use redevelopment of the block. It also happens that their board chairman, one of several directors, is an attorney, and L&R is one of his clients. I felt that fact was worth noting in the story; however, you'll notice that I also quoted the executive director of Historic Gateway, who talked about preservation of the block. So there is a mix of viewpoints here.

The attorney, Michael Swearengen, told me he is very supportive of historic preservation and disagreed with the demolition of the Stanley Block and the Columbia Building. But he believes 310 Prospect is not significant and not worth saving.

This is a strange Housing Court case, so it will be interesting to see what happens.

Michelle

Michelle - do you have access to the case number so we can view the docket?

The new Cleveland Housing Court case is 13 CVG 0011713. You can find it through the Housing Court docket search, or search for LR 310 Prospect Investors. Interestingly, this is a civil case. The city usually pursues criminal cases against property owners in Housing Court. FYI - the hearing set for Aug. 30 has been turned into a pre-trial conference, so it likely will happen in a conference room, behind closed doors, instead of the courtroom. We'll see.

Michelle

Thanks!  That was a huge help!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Hts121 on August 16, 2013, 11:40:23 AM
A slight correction -- eminent domain is the taking of private property for public BENEFIT. For example, a blighted property where the owner has refused to comply with multiple attempts to rectify the blight can be taken, the property assessed, any structures beyond saving are demolished, and the property re-sold through a public bid or auction.

The Ohio Constitution uses the term public USE.  A public benefit may be considered in the analysis, but is not the determining factor in Ohio (although SCOTUS has ruled that public benefit alone is sufficient under the Federal Constitution).  And I don't know when the ED proceedings you cited took place, but the law here in Ohio was addressed in 2006 following Kelo....  http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/rod/docs/pdf/0/2006/2006-ohio-3799.pdf..... (http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/rod/docs/pdf/0/2006/2006-ohio-3799.pdf.....) in a case which dealt directly with the public taking of private property for the purpose of transferring it to a private entity for redevelopment.  The court was constrained by the Ohio GA's reaction to Kelo.

From the Norwood case:

"We hold that although economic factors may be considered in determining whether private property may be appropriated, the fact that the appropriation would provide an economic benefit to the government and community, standing alone, does not satisfy the public-use requirement of Section 19, Article I of the Ohio Constitution."

*  *  *  *  *

In this early period, “public use” was often equated to “public benefit.”

*  *  *  *  *

In some jurisdictions, a belief has taken hold that general economic development is a public use *  *  * Kelo confirmed this view for purposes of federal constitutional analysis

*  *  *  *  *

In addressing the meaning of the public-use clause in Ohio’s Constitution, we are not bound to follow the United States Supreme Court’s determinations of the scope of the Public Use Clause in the federal constitution *  *  * and we decline to hold that the Takings Clause in Ohio’s Constitution has the sweeping breadth that the Supreme
Court attributed to the United States Constitution’s Takings Clause
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: StapHanger on August 16, 2013, 01:00:24 PM
^Does ED for blight removal still works under Ohio's constitution and any anti-Kelo statutes? I'm not up on Ohio law, but I thought the distinction between blight and economic development was meaningful.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jhonopolis on August 16, 2013, 01:15:19 PM
If you look at the origins of Eminent Domain in this country it shows public benefit was never supposed to happen. Public Use is what it was strictly for, and only as a compromise.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Hts121 on August 16, 2013, 01:18:22 PM
^^Yes.  Kelo didn't require blight.  I'm not positive on the current and specific state of the law in Ohio, but have a general idea.  There are generally two aspects of 'blight' for the purpose of ED proceedings.  One would be a 'blighted area'.  In such cases, ED may be used if a substantial majority (approx. 75%?) of the area is properly considered blighted and individual properties can be taken regardless of their state of disrepair.  Assigning 'blight' to a particular property is more difficult.  To be considered 'blighted', the property must be unsafe for habitation, pose a threat to public safety, or have unpaid taxes exceeding its value IIRC.  The local government must also jumpt through some additional hoops by presenting a comprehensive plan of what would be done if the property was taken.  But the key factor for our discussion is that blight cannot be assigned simply because the government determines there is a better use comparatively (i.e. surface parking vs. structures) or that a different use would generate higher tax revenue.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: StapHanger on August 16, 2013, 01:33:32 PM
^Thanks!  And yeah, I completely agree with your comments re. blight vs. econ dev in this case.  The fact that the owners are trying to remove the blight via demo pretty much kills that hypothetical legal justification for ED.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Hts121 on August 16, 2013, 01:46:52 PM
^Which is why the City should continue to keep denying the demo permits and all of you who rallied so hard for saving the Columbia building should be backing the City up on this RIGHT NOW...... not down the road when the wrecking balls are on their way.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: punch on August 16, 2013, 02:09:03 PM
With the Stanley Block, you had a historic, landmarked building that (one of) the owners wanted torn down for parking.  The city Landmarks commission came in and said it couldn't be torn down.  Then the owner let the building deteriorate, and claimed it was a danger to its parking business next door.
The city agreed and said that it had deteriorated to the point it was a threat to public safety, and ordered the building torn down, not to perform emergency repairs to the landmark building.

The Herold building's owners want to tear down a historic building for parking.  The city did not want them to tear it down, so the owners let the building deteriorate, to the point now that the city has classified it as a public safety hazard by not letting people use the parking next door.
This time the city is suing for renovations, not for an emergency tear down.  So, when these owners go to court and say they are in the exact same situation, in nearly the exact same location as the Stanley Block, the city will not have a leg to stand on.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Mendo on August 16, 2013, 02:27:36 PM
^^ The city clearly played favorites with Gilbert versus the Columbia and Stanley buildings. I agree, it's going to bite them in court. The Stanley block was torn down in the interest of public safety. Why not the Herold?

In this case we have somebody actively trying to buy the building for renovation. I hope that's enough.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Hts121 on August 16, 2013, 03:28:53 PM
Is the Herold in nearly as bad shape as the Stanley Block was in prior to demo?  Is the Herold landmarked? 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jhonopolis on August 16, 2013, 03:38:20 PM
1873

(http://ech.cwru.edu/Resource/Image/C20.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: punch on August 16, 2013, 03:48:58 PM
Is the Herold in nearly as bad shape as the Stanley Block was in prior to demo?  Is the Herold landmarked? 
It has to be in worse shape, because the city has prohibited the next door lot from operating.  They never did that with the Stanley. 
From Michelle's article, I don't think it's landmarked.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Hts121 on August 16, 2013, 03:55:22 PM
Yeah.... but the lot is the same owner, right?  It could just be a tactic the City is using to force the repairs.  With the SB, I think the biggest issue was that the building was no longer weather tight, leaving it exposed to the elements (recall the giant hole in the roof) and causing it to deterioriate beyond the point of feasible repair.

I see from the article that the building is on the national register, but does not appear to be landmarked by the City or State.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on August 16, 2013, 04:00:46 PM
Yeah.... but the lot is the same owner, right?  It could just be a tactic the City is using to force the repairs.  With the SB, I think the biggest issue was that the building was no longer weather tight, leaving it exposed to the elements (recall the giant hole in the roof) and causing it to deterioriate beyond the point of feasible repair.

I see from the article that the building is on the national register, but does not appear to be landmarked by the City or State.

Exactly - like the article said: this shut down the property's only income stream.  Now L&R has to eat a loss on those parcels every tax day.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: pgn711 on August 17, 2013, 04:01:51 PM
It should also be noted that L&R is not only trying to sell these buildings, but lease them --- not to mention the huge parking lot across the street which it also owns.

Some more interesting paragraphs from the article.....

City lawsuit over downtown Cleveland's Herold Building sets up restore-or-raze fight (slideshow, poll)
By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer
on August 15, 2013 at 12:00 PM, updated August 15, 2013 at 5:18 PM

....Real estate records show that Weston Inc., a Warrensville Heights developer, and Bobby George, a real estate and restaurant investor, are trying to gain control of the block. In October, they paid $300,000 for the Record Rendezvous building. In July, a company affiliated with Weston bought the mortgage note on the Kendel Building -- a move that could position them to acquire the property through foreclosure.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2013/08/city_lawsuit_over_downtown_cle.html (http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2013/08/city_lawsuit_over_downtown_cle.html)

FYI - Bobby George owns Barley House and I believe the newly opened restaurant/bar in W 25th, Town Hall. It would be pretty cool to see a place as busy at Town Hall go into this block. Also, if they plan on book ending the block in new construction, a portion of the Goldfish store would have to come down.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Clueless,Ohio on August 29, 2013, 08:51:23 PM

^ the Housing Court hearing is tomorrow
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on September 05, 2013, 12:12:26 AM
This was on the Sept. 6th CPC agenda.

DOWNTOWN/FLATS DESIGN REVIEW
1.   DF2013-060- Proposed Demolition of Office Building
Project Address: 306-310 Prospect Avenue
Project Representative: Michael K. Swearengen, Esq.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mjarboe on September 05, 2013, 11:26:18 AM
Hi all -

Just an update on the Herold Building. I went to the Housing Court hearing (which was a behind-closed-doors conference). Nothing really happened -- they just set dates for future meetings and filings. Re: the Planning Commission item, I don't believe that will be on the agenda. An attorney for L&R told me last week that they don't plan to appear at design review or Planning Commission, and I heard Tuesday that the CPC agenda item has been pulled.

Michelle
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on September 05, 2013, 12:34:29 PM
Hi all -

Just an update on the Herold Building. I went to the Housing Court hearing (which was a behind-closed-doors conference). Nothing really happened -- they just set dates for future meetings and filings. Re: the Planning Commission item, I don't believe that will be on the agenda. An attorney for L&R told me last week that they don't plan to appear at design review or Planning Commission, and I heard Tuesday that the CPC agenda item has been pulled.

Michelle

Thanks Michelle,

In your opinion, what can we infer from the demolition request removal from the CPC and design review agendas?  Might it hint at a larger deal between the owner and Weston or do you view it as a routine move for a property tied up in litigation?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mjarboe on September 05, 2013, 02:00:03 PM
Hi all -

Just an update on the Herold Building. I went to the Housing Court hearing (which was a behind-closed-doors conference). Nothing really happened -- they just set dates for future meetings and filings. Re: the Planning Commission item, I don't believe that will be on the agenda. An attorney for L&R told me last week that they don't plan to appear at design review or Planning Commission, and I heard Tuesday that the CPC agenda item has been pulled.

Michelle

Thanks Michelle,

In your opinion, what can we infer from the demolition request removal from the CPC and design review agendas?  Might it hint at a larger deal between the owner and Weston or do you view it as a routine move for a property tied up in litigation?

Attorneys for L&R have said they believe going before the Planning Commission would be an exercise in futility. Since city officials have stated that they're opposed to demolition of the Herold Building, the attorneys believe they have no shot at getting CPC approval and would just end up going through a lengthy appeals process. That said, they have not tried. They believe they have a better chance of prevailing in Cleveland Housing Court, making the argument that the city's focus on renovation over demolition violates L&R's rights as a property owner. The next pre-trial hearing (also likely to take place in a conference room, behind closed doors) is set for early October. There's a November filing deadline for a motion for summary judgement.

Michelle
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Hts121 on September 05, 2013, 02:06:25 PM
^And then a month for a response.... and then two weeks for a reply... and then 2-6 mos. (on average) for a decision.... and then another 2 years of appeals (at least).  As long as the City sticks to its guns, a deal should be able to come together during that timeframe.

Thanks for heading off the meltdown, Michelle.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Htsguy on September 05, 2013, 02:13:54 PM
From a practical standpoint this makes no sense to me.  They have an interested buyer.  They are generating no income (since they city closed the lot on East 4th) and they have costs associated with ownership (property taxes and I would hope insurance).  More significantly they are paying a Benisch attorney (that ain't going to be cheap) to defend litigation that might drag out forever with appeals.  Even if they are far apart in price why doesn't somebody do the math and deduct the attorney's fees from the price they want and avoid the aggravation of litigation.  The only people winning here are the lawyers (which of course is not a bad thing  :wink:)  Seems like your classic my b@#ls are bigger than yours.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on September 05, 2013, 02:22:42 PM
From a practical standpoint this makes no sense to me.  They have an interested buyer.  They are generating no income (since they city closed the lot on East 4th) and they have costs associated with ownership (property taxes and I would hope insurance).  More significantly they are paying a Benisch attorney (that ain't going to be cheap) to defend litigation that might drag out forever with appeals.  Even if they are far apart in price why doesn't somebody do the math and deduct the attorney's fees from the price they want and avoid the aggravation of litigation.  The only people winning here are the lawyers (which of course is not a bad thing  :wink:)  Seems like your classic my b@#ls are bigger than yours.

Thanks Michelle.

Here's to hoping they'll cave.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Hts121 on September 05, 2013, 02:36:51 PM
It's a game.  If they are trying to dump a vacant building which is generating no income and, in fact, poses a potential financial liability in the form of violations and fines, their bargaining power is greatly reduced compared to trying to sell a parcel which they have the green light to put to a profitable use.  In the end, they will get a far greater offer than whatever they pay their attorneys.  If not, their attorneys are not doing a very good job.

Weston is now approaching them saying, "look, you can't demolish the building because the City won't let you, and you don't have the will nor the means to repurpose it, so why don't we take it off your hands for this (bargain) price"

They want Weston to have to say, "I know you have the wrecking ball scheduled, but we would like to buy the building from you and repurpose it ourselves.... name your price"
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: YO to the CLE on September 05, 2013, 03:23:02 PM
Michelle,

Do we know if Weston has made any progress with persuading these guys to sell them the building, or is it still the same situation? Your last article had mentioned the "talks" were still underway. This could be such an important development, but L&R is throwing a wrench in everything. They need to take their crappy parking lots back to California.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mjarboe on September 05, 2013, 04:37:25 PM
Michelle,

Do we know if Weston has made any progress with persuading these guys to sell them the building, or is it still the same situation? Your last article had mentioned the "talks" were still underway. This could be such an important development, but L&R is throwing a wrench in everything. They need to take their crappy parking lots back to California.

I have not heard about any new developments from any of the parties involved here.

Michelle
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jfristik on September 06, 2013, 12:03:56 AM
Does anyone know what is going on with the At&t building and The Clevelander?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: punch on September 06, 2013, 12:26:39 AM
It's a game.  If they are trying to dump a vacant building which is generating no income and, in fact, poses a potential financial liability in the form of violations and fines, their bargaining power is greatly reduced compared to trying to sell a parcel which they have the green light to put to a profitable use.  In the end, they will get a far greater offer than whatever they pay their attorneys.  If not, their attorneys are not doing a very good job.

Weston is now approaching them saying, "look, you can't demolish the building because the City won't let you, and you don't have the will nor the means to repurpose it, so why don't we take it off your hands for this (bargain) price"

They want Weston to have to say, "I know you have the wrecking ball scheduled, but we would like to buy the building from you and repurpose it ourselves.... name your price"

Isn't that pretty close to what happened with the Stanley?  One owner wanted to develop, had partners, one wanted the building leveled.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: pgn711 on September 06, 2013, 08:47:59 AM
Does anyone know what is going on with the At&t building and The Clevelander?

I stare out at the AT&T building from my window and they've been sealing, replacing mortar and washing/painting the entire building. They've been at it for at least 6 months, hopefully they will be done soon and can get rid of all that ugly scaffolding and the annoying cherry picker.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on September 06, 2013, 10:25:46 AM
The Clevelander property will be a ugly dead zone as long as it is owned by the Knights Of Columbus. 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Hts121 on September 06, 2013, 11:00:31 AM
Isn't that pretty close to what happened with the Stanley?  One owner wanted to develop, had partners, one wanted the building leveled.

Not really.  With the Stanley, you had co-ownership.  Here, Weston does not have a stake in the building (yet).  Plus the co-owner of the Stanley is not comparable to Weston.  They didn't have the means/resources to get the job done.  Similarly, while I'm sure L&R is fine with the idea of making the parcel into a surface lot, it does not have the same burning desire to see the building demolished as the Casino folks had with the Stanley.  It's a very different situation.  What concerns me is that Weston is a very calculated development team.  They won't take any chances.  They seemingly feel they have to get the drastically better end of any deal to make anything happen.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jfristik on September 10, 2013, 01:12:49 PM
Per the Campus District pdf ( http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2011/12022011/2011-08-15CampusDistrictTLCI_FINALl.pdf?bcsi_scan_0f1700ec298a9f1d=0&bcsi_scan_filename=2011-08-15CampusDistrictTLCI_FINALl.pdf ), the Gateway District TLCI is referenced (see page 32). Is there a seperate presentation for these improvements? The images are very small but look promising.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: w28th on September 10, 2013, 04:22:22 PM
The Clevelander property will be a ugly dead zone as long as it is owned by the Knights Of Columbus. 

This is absolute truth.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jborger on September 11, 2013, 12:27:42 PM
I don't even understand what this means.  Why do you think The Clevelander is an ugly dead zone?  Who are the Knights of Columbus?  Why do they like ugly dead zones?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Clueless,Ohio on September 26, 2013, 08:16:39 PM

The Clevelander now does have a banner over that old signage that says something like 'pardon our dust, we're under construction'


Saw a "Keith Arian Construction" sign go up in the window at the Picadiilly artisan yogurt in OC.
THen a few days later the old Indigo restaurant-- Prospect ave side of the 5th street arcades -- evidently had some interior demo going on in that long-vacant space... the next day a Keith Arian Construction sign went up in the window. Wondering if there's a connection
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jborger on October 02, 2013, 12:34:58 PM
This is a guess but I think Sushi 86 is moving into the old Indigo restaurant space.  I know they were one of the 5th Street Arcade grant winners and said they'd be using it to expand, offer classes, etc.  They can't expand their current spot.  Makes sense for them to move to another former restaurant space.  Lots more room in there. 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: w28th on October 02, 2013, 04:01:15 PM
Sushi 86 is not moving, they are expanding though to have more space for their burgeoning catering business and sushi classes.  Current spot will be retained.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jborger on October 03, 2013, 12:20:29 PM
Sushi 86 is not moving, they are expanding though to have more space for their burgeoning catering business and sushi classes.  Current spot will be retained.

From http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sushi-86-the-chef-s-cut:

"The time for expansion has come and rather than move our new facility off site we have decided to delve deeper into the facilities of the 5th Street Arcades and all it has to offer. We will be occupying a space across the hallway; our whole sale facilities will be in the back; and in the front we will have an all new expanded space for sushi classes, private dining room, and event space. This expansion will allow us to increase our capacity, helping us to sponsor more charitably and community building events around the area."
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Clueless,Ohio on October 23, 2013, 11:31:03 PM

No real news here but just an update about the new businesses occcupying now-vacant storefronts.
On Prospect, Sushi 86 expansion will go in the Indigo space, and thensome. Of course, Red will fill a sizable front on Prospect.
On Euclid ave, the owner of Pour Cleveland said yesterday he was looking to open in about 3 weeks. And also on Euclid, the build-out of the prepared food/takeout place...CLE (Cmon Lets Eat) has started in the old Quiznno's space.
Great to see these street facing properties become active storefronts
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: X on October 24, 2013, 12:37:35 AM
Where is the Pour Cleveland space?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: StapHanger on October 24, 2013, 08:51:59 AM
I think Pour Cleveland is going to be inside the 5th st Arcades, no?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on October 24, 2013, 09:20:59 AM
It is going to be in the far east storefront on the Euclid side I believe. There is a tea place inside.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: StapHanger on October 24, 2013, 09:31:21 AM
^Ah, got it.  So right near the driveway to the 668 Euclid auto ramp.  Great to hear it will have a street presence.  I'm really excited for another high quality coffee shop downtown.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: rockandroller on October 24, 2013, 09:41:06 AM
what's Pour? a coffee place? Is there a place to get more info on C'mon Let's Eat? Thx for these updates.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on October 24, 2013, 09:48:17 AM
http://www.5thstreetarcades.com
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: rockandroller on October 24, 2013, 09:52:26 AM
thanks!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Clueless,Ohio on October 24, 2013, 06:21:59 PM

^ there's also this which is as up-to-date as possible


http://www.cumberland-development.com/properties/5th/overall-project-leasing-plan-9-25-13.pdf
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: eurokie on November 14, 2013, 11:01:52 PM
Lots of new signage coming to the Cumberland arcade, passed by Landmarks today. Sleek new black restaurant will have blade signage consistent with Yum Yums.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: CLE618 on November 15, 2013, 12:33:00 PM

Lots of new signage coming to the Cumberland arcade, passed by Landmarks today. Sleek new black restaurant will have blade signage consistent with Yum Yums.

Do you have access to any mock-ups or pictures?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on November 15, 2013, 04:01:42 PM
New signs at 5th St. Arcade.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Clueless,Ohio on February 05, 2014, 04:30:04 AM

A chain link fence was being put up today, somewhat around the historic 310 bldg and partially into the now-closed small pkg lot, at 310 Prospect (Weston Dvlpmt area, i thought there was a thread for that?)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on February 05, 2014, 04:33:46 AM

A chain link fence was being put up today, somewhat around the historic 310 bldg and partially into the now-closed small pkg lot, at 310 Prospect (Weston Dvlpmt area, i thought there was a thread for that?)

I think I found the permit:

https://ca.permitcleveland.org/Public/Report/ShowReport.aspx?Module=BuildingHousing&reportType=PRINT_PERMIT_REPORT&reportID=2
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on February 05, 2014, 04:53:23 AM
Interesting. County records don't indicate any properties have changed hands, nor has any development plan been submitted to Planning Commission (either Design Review or Landmarks Commission). A building cannot be demolished for parking downtown (especially in an historic district like Gateway) except if the parking is an interim use. In that case, development plan post-parking lot has to be submitted and approved by Planning Commission. And it has yet to be submitted. I watch Planning Commission dockets pretty closely, as do a few reporters in town. They wouldn't written about it had it been submitted to the city for approval.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Htsguy on February 05, 2014, 04:55:06 AM
It has been a while since I checked the docket in the court action and I just did so given the above posts.

A Judgment Entry was issued (after months of motion practice) on Jan. 23 2014 and the case is now listed as closed on the docket.  Unfortunately I cannot tell from the docket (Cleveland Muny court dockets suck) what the disposition of the case was and who won.  Since it has been a couple of weeks I would have thought Michelle might have reported on this by now. 

I could only guess what the fence is all about.  Maybe the court ordered something that mandated the fence (given the condition of the property).  I can't imagine a demolition permit has been issued so quickly, especially with no publicity.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: DM4 on February 05, 2014, 04:57:03 AM
The Landmark Commission never posted the second agenda for January. Could it have been on there?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on February 05, 2014, 05:07:51 AM
Hmm..The project description is interesting. What approved plans?

Project Description:
MAKE EXT. ALT TO INSTALL TEMPORARY FENCINING FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. WORK IN ACCORDANCE WITH APPROVED PLANS. WORK DOES NOT CORRECT UNSAFE BUILDING CONDITIONS.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on February 05, 2014, 07:22:18 AM
Got a link to that? Good question on what that means "work in accordance with approved plans." I'd love to know what those plans are, where they are posted and when they were approved.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on February 05, 2014, 08:28:11 AM
^

https://ca.permitcleveland.org/Public/Cap/CapDetail.aspx?Module=BuildingHousing&TabName=BuildingHousing&capID1=14BHO&capID2=00000&capID3=00291&agencyCode=COC&IsToShowInspection=
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Foraker on February 05, 2014, 09:35:29 PM
My guess is the "approved plans" are the plans for installing the (temporary) fencing for "pedestrian safety."  Also sounds like some alteration of the building exterior is required to install the fencing.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on February 06, 2014, 02:33:37 AM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Htsguy on February 06, 2014, 03:11:06 AM
If somebody is really ambitious (and curious) and is near the Justice Center, they can go to the Muny Court Clerks office and obtain the 3 page judgment entry from the court case.  Journal Vol. 415 Pages 108-111.  I bet it contains some kind of answer.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on February 06, 2014, 10:25:50 PM
Well lucky for you folks, I am both curious and ambitious.

Here is the disposition: http://www.filedropper.com/docfeb062014206pm

^ The scan is kind of large so I uploaded it to a free file hosting site.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Htsguy on February 06, 2014, 11:16:31 PM
^Thanks for taking the time to do that.

I am embarrassed to admit that even though I am a lawyer, I find the opinion somewhat confusing.  I which I could look over the underlying pleadings and briefs in support of the multiple motions to better figure things out.

It seems to say they have to demolish the building or repair it but cannot demolish without the approval of the Planning Commission (which apparently they won't get) so that will have to make the repairs.  It seems from the opinion that the city is fighting demolish but again this is not clear to me, especially when the order specifically states the building must be demolished.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on February 06, 2014, 11:26:34 PM
^Thanks for taking the time to do that.

I am embarrassed to admit that even though I am a lawyer, I find the opinion somewhat confusing.  I which I could look over the underlying pleadings and briefs in support of the multiple motions to better figure things out.

It seems to say they have to demolish the building or repair it but cannot demolish without the approval of the Planning Commission (which apparently they won't get) so that will have to make the repairs.  It seems from the opinion that the city is fighting demolish but again this is not clear to me, especially when the order specifically states the building must be demolished.

Adding to that - it seems Judge Pianka writes a bit of dicta about how property owners may still demolish properties through neglect and it appears the City of Cleveland has no way to stop this practice.  He says the City Planning Commission must allow an emergency demolition if the property poses an "immediate danger to human life or health."  He also mentions a Detroit statute prohibiting such practice, hopefully City Council takes note.

I REALLY hope this doesn't go the way of the Stanley Block, however it appears LR 310 is hell bent on making that happen.  I am praying Weston can get this from these bastards.

It's still not clear that there is any demo permit issued for the site.  The city records indicate there is permit from 12/06/2013 still "pending."  Curiously, this pending permit doesn't list any information on its purpose - weird.  Other than that we have 1/10/2014 permit for the ballast fencing.  Although I hope this ghost permit is for repairs, it seems unlikely this group is interested in anything other than demo.

Does anyone on here work for Building & Housing?  If so, is this building being considered an "immediate danger to human life or health?"  How high is that threshold?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Hts121 on February 06, 2014, 11:46:20 PM
Seems to me that Pianka is telling the City it is SOL absent a change in ordinance.  It actually reads like an advisory opinion... something he is not really supposed to do.  He was able to deny the declaratory judgment action filed by LR 310 simply because LR 310 had not exhausted administrative remedies and (I believe) all 2506 appeals go to the common pleas court, not housing court.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on February 07, 2014, 12:57:13 AM
BTW, just down the street, the old May Co. garage that has Tilted Kilt on the ground floor was sold Jan. 24 for $3 million to a new company called Rainbow Garage LLC. This company was incorporated only a month earlier, on Dec. 11, 2013 (see: http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/reports/rwservlet?imgc&Din=201334501541). However the filing doesn't give much insight to the company's purpose or mission. Neither do filings on Dec. 13, 2013 for a similarly named company Rainbow Garage Manager with the same organizers involved (See: http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/reports/rwservlet?imgc&Din=201334701703 or a amendment filed a week later ID'ing the company's sole shareholder, director and president as Robert Danial (See: http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/reports/rwservlet?imgc&Din=201335800726).

So I guess we'll have to wait and see what, if anything, comes from the acquisition of this high-profile property.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: novusordo0205 on February 07, 2014, 01:25:02 AM
Mr. Danial is associated with the Morgan Reed Group, which owns this: http://morganreed.com/public_square_tech.html
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on February 07, 2014, 02:09:00 AM
Stanley Block land scheduled for sheriff's sale, raising prospect of purchase by casino group

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A small strip of land where one of downtown Cleveland's oldest buildings once stood will hit the auction block this month, in the culmination of nearly three years of litigation over the now-demolished Stanley Block building.

The Cuyahoga County Sheriff's office has scheduled the property, roughly 0.11 acres on Ontario Street, for a Feb. 18 foreclosure auction. Valued at $300,000, the vacant lot will require a starting bid of at least $200,000.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/02/stanley_block_land_scheduled_f.html#incart_river_default
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on February 07, 2014, 02:10:50 AM
Mr. Danial is associated with the Morgan Reed Group, which owns this: http://morganreed.com/public_square_tech.html

This might be a great thing.  Now that the owner of the May Company building owns the garage he will have an interest in sprucing up the ground floor retail......which now leaves much to be desired.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on February 07, 2014, 02:37:43 AM
Mr. Danial is associated with the Morgan Reed Group, which owns this: http://morganreed.com/public_square_tech.html

Thanks. Veddy intahrrresting!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on February 07, 2014, 03:20:30 AM
Mr. Danial is associated with the Morgan Reed Group, which owns this: http://morganreed.com/public_square_tech.html

Thanks. Veddy intahrrresting!

Yes very. All this behind the scene stuff. Good work today guys. And I am pissed at myself for spending 30 minutes today searching for Robert Danial and I just realized I was spelling it as 'Daniel' with an 'e' ...dumbass
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: ink on February 07, 2014, 04:23:43 AM
That is odd, since Danial is selling most of the May Company Building for the apartment conversion.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: w28th on February 07, 2014, 04:45:14 AM
Great, the guy that allows plywood infill in windows on The May Company now owns more property...
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: JG on February 07, 2014, 06:21:59 AM
Prospect:  I really hoping these buildings don't get torn down.  Prospect is actually one of my favorite streets to travel down and seems like it has a lot more untapped potential.

May Garage:  Is this transaction going to affect the potential sale and conversion of this building into apartments?  I wonder if this is a speculative move to profit off of the potential apartment development.

Stanley lot:  I'm really curious to see what/if anything will be done on this lot.  It is such a small parcel which doesn't leave many options.  Does the casino have plans to incorporate this space into their garage?  Has anyone heard of potential uses with this site?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Mendo on February 07, 2014, 06:31:00 AM
Wasn't the Morgan Reed group the people that proposed converting most of the floors in the May Company building to a parking garage? :roll: His group likely just wants in on the parking game downtown. The structure across from the hotel would be a good start.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: X on February 07, 2014, 06:57:21 AM
Isn't this garage the 11 story garage mentioned on the Public Square Tech Center website posted above?  It sounds to me like the garage is being shuffled around between entities-not truly changing ownership.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mjarboe on February 07, 2014, 06:38:53 PM
It has been a while since I checked the docket in the court action and I just did so given the above posts.

A Judgment Entry was issued (after months of motion practice) on Jan. 23 2014 and the case is now listed as closed on the docket.  Unfortunately I cannot tell from the docket (Cleveland Muny court dockets suck) what the disposition of the case was and who won.  Since it has been a couple of weeks I would have thought Michelle might have reported on this by now. 

I could only guess what the fence is all about.  Maybe the court ordered something that mandated the fence (given the condition of the property).  I can't imagine a demolition permit has been issued so quickly, especially with no publicity.

Sorry for the late reply on this one. It's my understanding that the case isn't closed - that's a bizarre notation thing that happens on the Housing Court docket, and it doesn't mean anything. I have seen Judge Pianka's recent decision, and I'm monitoring this situation. There's more going on behind the scenes. I don't have anything to write about yet, but I expect that I will soon.

Michelle
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on February 07, 2014, 07:23:27 PM
There's more going on behind the scenes. I don't have anything to write about yet, but I expect that I will soon.

Michelle - are these good things going on behind the scenes?  :wtf:

Also, thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: punch on February 07, 2014, 07:37:46 PM
Thanks Michelle!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mjarboe on February 07, 2014, 08:33:26 PM
There's more going on behind the scenes. I don't have anything to write about yet, but I expect that I will soon.

Michelle - are these good things going on behind the scenes?  :wtf:

Also, thanks for the update.

I don't know yet whether they're "good" or "bad." I guess it will depend on your definition of "good." As a reporter, I can't really weigh in on that. But I promise I'll write an update story as soon as there's enough reliable information to support one.

Michelle
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on February 07, 2014, 08:37:10 PM
Isn't this garage the 11 story garage mentioned on the Public Square Tech Center website posted above?  It sounds to me like the garage is being shuffled around between entities-not truly changing ownership.

That's usually true when there's a quit-claim deed transfer. There's usually no dollar amount attached to it. But this transfer showed a $3 million sale amount, along with a $12,000 conveyance fee.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on February 07, 2014, 08:45:44 PM
I don't know yet whether they're "good" or "bad." I guess it will depend on your definition of "good." As a reporter, I can't really weigh in on that. But I promise I'll write an update story as soon as there's enough reliable information to support one.

I can dig it - thanks.  I'm nervous.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: JG on February 07, 2014, 08:59:12 PM
I don't know yet whether they're "good" or "bad." I guess it will depend on your definition of "good." As a reporter, I can't really weigh in on that. But I promise I'll write an update story as soon as there's enough reliable information to support one.

I can dig it - thanks.  I'm nervous.

Agreed.  That response made me more nervous. ha
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Hts121 on February 07, 2014, 09:57:26 PM
I don't know yet whether they're "good" or "bad." I guess it will depend on your definition of "good." As a reporter, I can't really weigh in on that. But I promise I'll write an update story as soon as there's enough reliable information to support one.

Michelle

Will this board (the general consensus, at least) consider it "good" or "bad"?  You can reveal that without showing any bias or lack of objectivity as a reporter ;)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mjarboe on February 07, 2014, 11:36:21 PM
I don't know yet whether they're "good" or "bad." I guess it will depend on your definition of "good." As a reporter, I can't really weigh in on that. But I promise I'll write an update story as soon as there's enough reliable information to support one.

Michelle

Will this board (the general consensus, at least) consider it "good" or "bad"?  You can reveal that without showing any bias or lack of objectivity as a reporter ;)

Not trying to make anyone nervous! I just don't have enough information yet to draw an informed conclusion.

Michelle
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Hootenany on February 08, 2014, 12:41:40 AM
^Darn reporters!  Putting speculation aside and waiting on the facts.  Can someone give me some baseless speculation please!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sizzlinbeef on February 08, 2014, 12:45:25 AM
Demolition, followed by construction of a Dollar Store, set back from the street, plenty of parking.   How's that?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on February 08, 2014, 01:13:06 AM
Demolition, followed by construction of a Dollar Store, set back from the street, plenty of parking.   How's that?

(http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/weirdo.gif)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mjarboe on February 19, 2014, 03:44:09 PM
Since you asked ...

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/02/lr_seeks_demolition_of_herold.html#incart_river_default

L&R is seeking demolition. Plans show a single-story retail building, topped by digital billboards, on the Herold Building site and the neighboring parking lot.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on February 19, 2014, 04:45:57 PM
Is this a "placeholder" land use plan that a property owner submits with a demo request only because they have to submit a land use plan? Or is there a signed tenant they will disclose?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: McLovin on February 19, 2014, 04:49:26 PM
Tacky and doesn't fit well with the other buildings, I vision prospect to be retail row (actual shopping), feeding off of the energy from Euclid Ave. and E. 4th street, but only through redevelopment or building substantial buildings on the paring lots.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on February 19, 2014, 05:11:01 PM
Disgusting
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Firenze98 on February 19, 2014, 06:33:35 PM
Single story?  Really?  So much for density.  There should be zoning restrictions for a minimum of 3-4 stories in the City Center.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: clvlndr on February 19, 2014, 06:41:25 PM
One word for the 1-story Herold Building proposal... DIE!!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Hts121 on February 19, 2014, 06:52:59 PM
I have to think that this is a ploy and not a serious proposal
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jfristik on February 19, 2014, 06:54:35 PM
I think it is a great proposal that will add a lot of life to a very dead stretch of land.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on February 19, 2014, 06:57:04 PM
I think it is a great proposal that will add a lot of life to a very dead stretch of land.

I hate the proposal. But I hate vacant buildings and surface parking lots more.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: gotribe on February 19, 2014, 07:10:27 PM
Is this a "placeholder" land use plan that a property owner submits with a demo request only because they have to submit a land use plan? Or is there a signed tenant they will disclose?
Bingo!  How many times to we see this in the world of development...
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Htsguy on February 19, 2014, 07:29:18 PM
I just don't understand what the owner is trying to accomplish.  It is not only paying big time lawyer fees but now is being invoiced by Richard Bowen.  Why is this out of state investor so intent on keeping this property (headache) that is bleeding money (especially now that there is no revenue from parking and would not be any under their "proposal" since the new "development" eats up the parking lot).  It has got to be just a blip in their portfolio.  Why not just dump it on Weston (a rare willing buyer) at a reasonable price, be done with it and enjoy the sunshine in CA.  The only thing I can think of it that they are doing it for tax reasons.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Hts121 on February 19, 2014, 08:03:18 PM
^If only LR and Weston could agree upon a "reasonable price"....

I don't think LR has any reluctance whatsoever to sell to Weston.  It probably just feels that Weston's offer is insulting.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Htsguy on February 19, 2014, 08:14:39 PM
^Obviously I don't know what the status of the negotiations are but if I were the owner I would be willing to give Weston a "pain in the ass" discount (especially since they really are just, at least in Cleveland, parking lot investors and they don't have access to the parking lot).
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: StapHanger on February 19, 2014, 08:23:32 PM
^And given the city's relatively cheap land costs, all those court/lawyer/architecture fees would quickly eat into any additional purchase price LR is trying to extract.

In the oft chance this is a good faith development proposal, I hope the city sticks to its guns and nixes the video billboard. The more revenue the owner can generate from a subpar use, the less likely the lot will be redeveloped with something better down the line.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: X on February 19, 2014, 09:48:36 PM
If this thing goes through I feel bad for the people living along that stretch of Prospect- it'll be a flashing nightmare in their apartments at all times of the night.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: xu9697 on February 19, 2014, 10:04:40 PM
If this thing goes through I feel bad for the people living along that stretch of Prospect- it'll be a flashing nightmare in their apartments at all times of the night.

Agree completely!!  First thing I thought of was the Seinfeld where Kramer/Jerry lived across from "Kenny Rogers Roasters".
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on February 19, 2014, 11:34:12 PM
MANY MANY MANY images of the interiors of the Prospect Avenue buildings proposed to be demolished. They are spread across multiple pages if you want to see them all, here:
http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02212014/index.php

City Planning Commission
Agenda for February 21, 2014

DOWNTOWN/FLATS DESIGN REVIEW
1. DF2013-060 - Demolition of Four-Story Office Building
 Project Address: 310 Prospect Avenue
 Project Representative: Michael Swearengen, Esq.


Here's some of them.....

(http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02212014/image/310_Prospect_01.jpg)

(http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02212014/image/310_Prospect_06.jpg)

(http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02212014/image/310_Prospect_08.jpg)

(http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02212014/image/310_Prospect_17.jpg)

(http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02212014/image/310_Prospect_19.jpg)

(http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02212014/image/310_Prospect_22.jpg)

(http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02212014/image/310_Prospect_24.jpg)

(http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02212014/image/310_Prospect_43.jpg)

(http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02212014/image/310_Prospect_44.jpg)

(http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02212014/image/310_Prospect_45.jpg)

(http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02212014/image/310_Prospect_47.jpg)

(http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02212014/image/310_Prospect_37.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: anthony battaglia on February 19, 2014, 11:56:00 PM
so a hotel is being built in front of the gateway garage and a apartment tower on top of parking and retail will be built on the open parking lot?!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Firenze98 on February 20, 2014, 12:00:15 AM
^It's just a master plan....

That proposed building to be demolished is quite a disaster though.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Hts121 on February 20, 2014, 12:02:01 AM
That's not nearly as bad/cheesy looking as I had imagined.  I still don't like it.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Urbanophile on February 20, 2014, 12:02:28 AM
How old is that master plan? It has the Columbia and Stanley buildings still in it.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on February 20, 2014, 12:11:37 AM
How old is that master plan? It has the Columbia and Stanley buildings still in it.

It's old. But it's interesting (to me anyway).
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on February 20, 2014, 10:57:07 AM
Install a rooftop patio that adjoins to the upper floors of Harry Buffalo and the Record Rendevouz buildings and you've got something interesting going.

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02212014/image/310_Prospect_43.jpg

Then again, how much could it cost to add a couple of floors?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MuRrAy HiLL on February 20, 2014, 07:05:50 PM
This is a prefect location for For Sale housing.  How could a 5-7 story condo building above first floor retail not be successful here??

Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on February 20, 2014, 07:44:06 PM
Michelle J. McFee ‏@mjarboe  11s
Downtown #CLE/Flats design committee votes unanimously to oppose demolition of the Herold Bldg. Recommendation goes to Planning Commission.

MORE:

Michelle J. McFee ‏@mjarboe  9m
Rationale for #CLE design review veto on Herold Building demo: Site reuse unsuitable. No stakeholder involvement. No market analysis.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on February 20, 2014, 11:24:42 PM
Michelle J. McFee ‏@mjarboe  11s
Downtown #CLE/Flats design committee votes unanimously to oppose demolition of the Herold Bldg. Recommendation goes to Planning Commission.

MORE:

Michelle J. McFee ‏@mjarboe  9m
Rationale for #CLE design review veto on Herold Building demo: Site reuse unsuitable. No stakeholder involvement. No market analysis.

Thank goodness.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: inlovewithCLE on February 21, 2014, 09:58:34 PM
If they can get a committed retail tenant so that this isn't just a spec building, I'd support this. I love, love, love the Times Square style billboard. I'm inclined to support most things that are flashy and add something to the city. The tenant is important though. Go get a committed tenant, then let's talk. But I'm already inclined to support this.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: DM4 on February 21, 2014, 10:03:20 PM
^ This building is just too small and looks stupid in context. If they really want to pull of that time square look, they need to go much bigger.

(http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02212014/image/310_Prospect_48.jpg)

(http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02212014/image/310_Prospect_46.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Urbanophile on February 21, 2014, 10:51:36 PM
It's a really bad area for a Times Square-esque billboard. The buildings are too close together and there is no plaza for people to gather to actually look at the billboards. And it would be very annoying for any residents living nearby. Ultimately, just a terrible idea. If they have to tear down the Herold Building, fine. But It needs to be replaced with something at least just as tall, and with apartments.

Also, in my opinion, they shouldn't go for such a modern design. I'd like to see a design that's more consistent with the surrounding buildings.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mjarboe on February 21, 2014, 11:01:38 PM
Here's the update from design review and planning. The commission tabled the demo request this morning and expects to revisit it on March 7. The digital billboard idea was not popular at either meeting.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/02/cleveland_planning_commission_1.html#incart_river_default
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: gotribe on February 21, 2014, 11:20:46 PM
Honestly, Kudo's to them for trying, but I am so glad this is getting shut done.  Think of the revenue dollars generated from such a small development that would have required very minimal up keep.  I don't know what advertising at that location goes for, but I would have to guess, it's much more profitable then the one to two apartments you could have fit above the retail space.  It's very apparent that the gentrification of this neighborhood is not in the back of these guys minds.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on February 21, 2014, 11:22:16 PM
How can this "Times Square" thing be taken seriously?  Does anyone honestly think East 4th and Prospect could or should be like Times Square? 

The East 4th neighborhood is a tasteful pedestrian entertainment district with a lot of housing.  Do you think the people dining outside or the apartment dwellers would appreciate the epileptic glow of a giant billboard more? (sarcasm)  Times Square is a flashy commercial and entertainment district with massive advertising 360 degrees around the block.  In case we've forgotten, the south side of prospect has a massive surface lot and vacant buildings - where will the rest of the "Time Squaresque" advertising go?  Maybe MRN will have a sudden change of heart and paper the outside of their successful apartment buildings on the north side of the street with giant flashing electronic billboards?

L&R is trying to sell this stupidity by facetiously comparing it to Times Square whose only similarities to this project is that both contain electronic advertising - the connection stops there.  It's a shit idea and the billboard is a cheap way to beef up revenue.  There is nothing wrong with beefing up revenue except when it's a nuisance to an established residential and entertainment district that we use as an example of a tasteful urban revitalization.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Whipjacka on February 22, 2014, 12:03:58 AM
Actually, i think they are ony pretending to sell this stupidity by facetiously comparing it to Times Square whose only similarities to this project is that both contain electronic advertising.  In reality, they are going to knock down the building and build a temporary parking lot there that will exist for the next thirty years.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: punch on February 22, 2014, 12:36:07 AM
How can this "Times Square" thing be taken seriously?  Does anyone honestly think East 4th and Prospect could or should be like Times Square? 

The East 4th neighborhood is a tasteful pedestrian entertainment district with a lot of housing.  Do you think the people dining outside or the apartment dwellers would appreciate the epileptic glow of a giant billboard more? (sarcasm)  Times Square is a flashy commercial and entertainment district with massive advertising 360 degrees around the block.  In case we've forgotten, the south side of prospect has a massive surface lot and vacant buildings - where will the rest of the "Time Squaresque" advertising go?  Maybe MRN will have a sudden change of heart and paper the outside of their successful apartment buildings on the north side of the street with giant flashing electronic billboards?

L&R is trying to sell this stupidity by facetiously comparing it to Times Square whose only similarities to this project is that both contain electronic advertising - the connection stops there.  It's a shit idea and the billboard is a cheap way to beef up revenue.  There is nothing wrong with beefing up revenue except when it's a nuisance to an established residential and entertainment district that we use as an example of a tasteful urban revitalization.

I think the "Times Square" reference comes from the casino, talking about how Phase II, the Arena, and the Casino will be " a sort of times square area"

http://videos.cleveland.com/plain-dealer/2012/05/dan_gilbert_talks_about_phase.html
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/05/gilbert_asks_for_patience_with.html
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Htsguy on February 22, 2014, 12:48:15 AM
Actually, i think they are ony pretending to sell this stupidity by facetiously comparing it to Times Square whose only similarities to this project is that both contain electronic advertising.  In reality, they are going to knock down the building and build a temporary parking lot there that will exist for the next thirty years.

Actually, correct me if I am wrong, but that is one thing, under city ordinances for that area, that  they cannot do (tear it down for parking). 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on February 22, 2014, 12:54:34 AM
^ I'm familiar with that original discussion.  Unfortunately it appears the bogus Times Square analogy has taken on a new life with this project - being both propagated by L&R...

"...Bowen compared the concept to displays in New York, Las Vegas, London and Shanghai. He envisions the digital advertising as a downtown landmark, akin to the giant chandelier planned for PlayhouseSquare."
- From http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/02/lr_seeks_demolition_of_herold.html#incart_river_default

And from Michelle's Twitter: "Design review member Jeffrey Bogart says you can't compare East 4th and Prospect to Times Square. "That's ridiculous." Re: billboard plan." -From the design review meeting
-https://twitter.com/mjarboe

And even members of this site:

If they can get a committed retail tenant so that this isn't just a spec building, I'd support this. I love, love, love the Times Square style billboard. I'm inclined to support most things that are flashy and add something to the city. The tenant is important though. Go get a committed tenant, then let's talk. But I'm already inclined to support this.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Confiteordeo on February 22, 2014, 01:06:23 AM
Actually, correct me if I am wrong, but that is one thing, under city ordinances for that area, that  they cannot do (tear it down for parking). 

This is true, which is why L&R had to present a plan showing something built on the site.  But I think Whipjacka's right- the total half-a$$ery of it all makes me think that once the building's down, it's going to stay a "temporary" parking lot for a long time.  All that ordinance really means is that a property owner can't just outright say that a building is being torn down for parking- there has to be a plan to re-use it within a certain time frame (I think it's around 2 years.)  In practice, there's little the city can do to compel the redevelopment to happen.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Whipjacka on February 22, 2014, 01:07:11 AM
Actually, i think they are ony pretending to sell this stupidity by facetiously comparing it to Times Square whose only similarities to this project is that both contain electronic advertising.  In reality, they are going to knock down the building and build a temporary parking lot there that will exist for the next thirty years.

Actually, correct me if I am wrong, but that is one thing, under city ordinances for that area, that  they cannot do (tear it down for parking). 
I wonder what the stanley block will become.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Urbanophile on February 22, 2014, 03:20:09 AM
Actually, i think they are ony pretending to sell this stupidity by facetiously comparing it to Times Square whose only similarities to this project is that both contain electronic advertising.  In reality, they are going to knock down the building and build a temporary parking lot there that will exist for the next thirty years.

Actually, correct me if I am wrong, but that is one thing, under city ordinances for that area, that  they cannot do (tear it down for parking). 
I wonder what the stanley block will become.

Horseshoe initially wanted to put a 24-hour diner in the welcome center. Maybe they'll use the Stanley Block space for something like that.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: inlovewithCLE on February 22, 2014, 07:49:57 AM
^ I'm familiar with that original discussion.  Unfortunately it appears the bogus Times Square analogy has taken on a new life with this project - being both propagated by L&R...

"...Bowen compared the concept to displays in New York, Las Vegas, London and Shanghai. He envisions the digital advertising as a downtown landmark, akin to the giant chandelier planned for PlayhouseSquare."
- From http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/02/lr_seeks_demolition_of_herold.html#incart_river_default

And from Michelle's Twitter: "Design review member Jeffrey Bogart says you can't compare East 4th and Prospect to Times Square. "That's ridiculous." Re: billboard plan." -From the design review meeting
-https://twitter.com/mjarboe

And even members of this site:

If they can get a committed retail tenant so that this isn't just a spec building, I'd support this. I love, love, love the Times Square style billboard. I'm inclined to support most things that are flashy and add something to the city. The tenant is important though. Go get a committed tenant, then let's talk. But I'm already inclined to support this.

Yeah I said that and I stand by that
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on February 22, 2014, 09:27:12 PM
Yeah I said that and I stand by that

I don't doubt that you do.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MuRrAy HiLL on February 22, 2014, 10:08:30 PM
Here's my 2 min rendering of a condo proposal using paint and powerpaint...not sure who took more time on their rendering/idea, myself or L&R?

Sell each condo from $299K-$550K.  Boom.

DISCLAIMER:  I would be curious to the economic feasibility/break even point of such a development (number of stories/units/price points needed).  I do not believe L&R truly understands the demand for such a residential address for high-end condos in this crossroads of a location.  If done right, it'd immediately become the hottest "For Sale" option Downtown. 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MuRrAy HiLL on February 22, 2014, 11:00:29 PM
And if we need to go higher to add more units, here's my rebuttal :)

Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on February 22, 2014, 11:45:04 PM
^ Any chance you can throw a clock tower up there. That would be sweet.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MuRrAy HiLL on February 23, 2014, 12:45:11 AM
^ Any chance you can throw a clock tower up there. That would be sweet.


Of course and I'd love to, but I don't want to derail this thread by me playing SimCity.

My point is that I question the integrity of their proposal... As many have stated, this looks like a half-assed attempt to claim they will build something in order to get the approval for demolition.  And my proposal took me less than 10 minutes to do both images (which is how long I pictured them taking)... and mine may actually make them more money and help Downtown.  If they want the building down, they should at least lie and propose something grander to get us all somewhat excited...
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on March 05, 2014, 07:20:00 PM
http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/03072014/030614DRACagenda.pdf

Downtown/Flats Design Review District
Agenda
March 6, 2014 9:30am
City Hall, Room 514, 601 Lakeside Avenue

DF2013-060 - Demolition of Four-Story Office Building
Project Address: 310 Prospect Avenue
Project Representative: TBD

PROJECT WITHDRAWN
MEETING CANCELED

Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Htsguy on March 05, 2014, 07:34:42 PM
I am confused....what does this mean in terms of the courts March 15 (I believe) deadline?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: gotribe on March 05, 2014, 08:01:54 PM
To think, several years ago, this may have made it through design review, leaving us with a parking lot for years to come.  I applaud the leaders on this one.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on March 05, 2014, 08:02:41 PM
I really hope L&R cancels their crappy plans and sells to a real developer who will do a historic tax credit renovation. 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: JG on March 06, 2014, 02:35:45 AM
^Weston has made attempts but it sounds like L&R is being very stubborn

I think I heard through the grapevine that they had offered $800K
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Mendo on March 07, 2014, 08:41:15 PM
This is barely any better than their last proposal. They "may" sell air rights? A few of you speculated the first proposal was purposely horrendous so their next, slightly-less horrible, proposal had a better chance of passing. I don't see how this project would get approved without a real plan in place. Anybody could put together a pretty rendering in 15 minutes.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/03/herold_building_owner_continue.html#incart_m-rpt-2

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Herold Building owner continues demolition quest, revises sketches for downtown Cleveland site

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cleveland City Planning Commission will get a second look this morning at a downtown property owner's plans to demolish a four-story building on Prospect Avenue near East Fourth Street.
...
One conceptual rendering for the Herold Building site and the neighboring parking lot shows a six-story building. The L&R Group of Companies, which owns the property, wouldn't build more than one or two stories of retail. But David Dix, who handles government relations for the L&R family of businesses, said the company might sell air rights to another developer to enable apartment or restaurant construction. L&R is seeking a demolition permit for the Herold Building, which was built in 1906. (Richard L. Bowen + Associates)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on March 07, 2014, 09:38:02 PM
The mixed-use building looks great, but L&R would build only the two-story retail portion with future air rights for the upper two floors?? If I'm the Planning Commission and I'm grading their application, I'd give it an "incomplete."

If it's too hard for L&R to find a partner to build the upper floors of this site prior to making this important application, how confident should we be that they will EVER look for/find one?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: McLovin on March 07, 2014, 10:44:12 PM
This is barely any better than their last proposal. They "may" sell air rights? A few of you speculated the first proposal was purposely horrendous so their next, slightly-less horrible, proposal had a better chance of passing. I don't see how this project would get approved without a real plan in place. Anybody could put together a pretty rendering in 15 minutes.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/03/herold_building_owner_continue.html#incart_m-rpt-2

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Herold Building owner continues demolition quest, revises sketches for downtown Cleveland site

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cleveland City Planning Commission will get a second look this morning at a downtown property owner's plans to demolish a four-story building on Prospect Avenue near East Fourth Street.
...
One conceptual rendering for the Herold Building site and the neighboring parking lot shows a six-story building. The L&R Group of Companies, which owns the property, wouldn't build more than one or two stories of retail. But David Dix, who handles government relations for the L&R family of businesses, said the company might sell air rights to another developer to enable apartment or restaurant construction. L&R is seeking a demolition permit for the Herold Building, which was built in 1906. (Richard L. Bowen + Associates)
I think this looks tons better than their one story proposal.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Whipjacka on March 07, 2014, 11:03:40 PM
Their one-story proposal wasn't real, so why would we believe that this is real?  They show a bunch or pictures about what the potential of the site is, but none of them are actual plans.  The largest parking-lot operator in the country isn't trying to develop their parking lot.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Htsguy on March 07, 2014, 11:05:03 PM
^^It doesn't matter what it looks like it is all pie in the sky.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: clvlndr on March 07, 2014, 11:32:15 PM
I really hope L&R cancels their crappy plans and sells to a real developer who will do a historic tax credit renovation. 

But per the court order, they only have 8 days to begin rehab or tear it down.  L&R says it would be impossible to line up tenants for a new building that quickly while, at the same time, they haven't asked the judge for an extension.  I didn't see that the order is forcing L&R to sell, and I doubt they would given how valuable this land could be for them.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sizzlinbeef on March 07, 2014, 11:37:36 PM
So if they've been denied permission to demolish, but don't get a chance to make a case for it again until after the deadline, what happens?  Do they get some sort of fine for not starting renovations?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: clvlndr on March 08, 2014, 12:04:21 AM
My guess is the court could issue any number of sanctions against L&R if has not acted per the order by 3/15... then again, it's the City (through the Planning Comm.) that told L&R to "... give us a plan or an analysis stating why Herold can't feasibly be repaired."  And since the court order is the result of litigation between the City and L&R about the building, it would be contradictory (and unfair) to punish L&R for not demolishing the building by the 3/15 deadline since it is the City that's restraining L&M from demolition in the first place.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: North87 on March 08, 2014, 02:00:34 AM
"Commission members and the city's planning staff said they want one of two things: Specific plans showing what the property owner hopes to do with the site or a feasibility analysis illustrating that the historic building simply can't be saved."

So next up is a study to show that is has to come down, which it will

"Based in California, L&R is a major parking owner with a sister business focused on retail. The company has no interest in exploring other uses or constructing a taller building on the Prospect site."

"The city prohibits downtown property owners from razing buildings for parking lots, though temporary lots have lingered for years on some potential development sites."

Sounds like a future "temporary" parking lot is the end game here. :-(  I give the city alot of credit for holding firm and making L&R give an honest effort but even with these mechanisms for forcing action, they can lead L&R to the water but they can't make them drink.  If L&R doesn't want to unleash the potential of this corner then I guess they don't have to and get to contribute to Cleveland being the world leader in downtown surface lots. :drunk:
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Htsguy on March 08, 2014, 02:19:16 AM
^I am pretty sure that even if the building comes down it will never be a temporary surface lot (if that is what L and R is hoping for).  I would imagine the instances where those unfortunate "temporary lots" have lingered the city had a good relationship with the owner and were working with the developer or at least hoping that the development would take place and turn a blind eye to the length of time.  I doubt this will ever be the case in this instance given how hard the city is fighting the owner.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: North87 on March 08, 2014, 02:45:12 AM
Let's hope.  It is a great location, the whole area is just tragically underdeveloped/misused.  I can understand the hesitancy of developers because the area is a mess, a condo would offer tenants magical views of . . .  the huge a$$ surface lot across the street...  We could call it Park(ing lot)side Estates.  Anyways there is alot of really good attention in UC, FEB, and the westside in general but this area and the super block (apologies if the mere mention is too far off topic) are places where development would really change the feel of the actual downtown of the city.  Making the right decision on this corner could be the catalyst for a larger plan, I hope the city stays firm.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: anthony battaglia on March 08, 2014, 08:55:48 PM
i hope this happens. The two renderings of the 6 floor mix-use building both look good.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MuRrAy HiLL on March 08, 2014, 10:36:27 PM
This is barely any better than their last proposal. They "may" sell air rights? A few of you speculated the first proposal was purposely horrendous so their next, slightly-less horrible, proposal had a better chance of passing. I don't see how this project would get approved without a real plan in place. Anybody could put together a pretty rendering in 15 minutes.


Agreed.  That was my point from my renderings on the previous page.  Anyone can paint a pretty picture.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on March 11, 2014, 09:32:29 AM
Cleveland Council's hearing on early repayment of Colonial and Euclid arcades: What you should know
http://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/index.ssf/2014/03/cleveland_councils_hearing_on.html?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Whipjacka on March 22, 2014, 12:49:19 AM
Request to demolish historic Herold Building is denied by Cleveland Planning Commission; debate over land continues
By: Teresa Dixon Murray, The Plain Dealer


CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cleveland City Planning Commission today denied a request to demolish the Herold Building, a historic four-story structure on Prospect Avenue in downtown Cleveland.
The denial came after a representative for building owner L&R Group of Companies wasn't able to provide the commission with enough answers about whether the building could be restored or what they would do with the property at Prospect and Fourth if the building was torn down.

Built in 1906, the Herold Building has been empty for more than a decade and has been condemned for years. An L&R affiliate bought the glass-fronted building, at 310 Prospect Ave., in 2008 and since then has been battling the city about restoring it or redeveloping the 0.19-acre site.

The vote to deny the demolition request occurred primarily because the commission was concerned about a technical misstep if the board tabled the request again. Tabling the issue was the original motion. But commission members feared that tabling it for more than 30 or 45 days could be interrupted as passive approval.


Story at: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/03/request_to_demolish_historic_h.html
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Whipjacka on March 22, 2014, 12:56:38 AM
L&R has owned the Herold Building for six years.  The refuting point to their claim that damages are too dire to repair is that the company was a major contributing factor to the building's worsening condition.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: JG on March 22, 2014, 02:45:45 AM
L&R has owned the Herold Building for six years.  The refuting point to their claim that damages are too dire to repair is that the company was a major contributing factor to the building's worsening condition.
^ctownballr2  :wink:
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Whipjacka on March 22, 2014, 06:10:12 AM
I cant decide if the plagiarism is insulting or flattering
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: punch on March 31, 2014, 07:26:39 PM
Downtown Cleveland property owner claims damage from Horseshoe Casino street closures

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/03/downtown_cleveland_property_ow_2.html#incart_m-rpt-2

 Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Another legal fight is brewing in downtown Cleveland's Gateway District, where the 2012 opening of the Horseshoe Casino Cleveland set off jostling over real estate that hadn't received much attention in decades.

Now George Troicky, who owns a short stretch of buildings along High Avenue, is alleging that permanent street closures for the casino's Ontario Street welcome center and a prominent digital sign mounted on a casino parking garage have dinged the value of his property and hurt his prospects of attracting tenants. In January, Troicky and High Street Properties LLC, a company tied to his family, filed a lawsuit against the city of Cleveland and an affiliate of gaming group Rock Ohio Caesars LLC.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Mendo on March 31, 2014, 08:55:56 PM
I will echo my comment on cleveland.com. Anybody can tell that the casino garage hurts the businesses down East 2nd and High. The question is whether they have recourse against either the city or Rock.

It's what we always say on this forum. There is such a thing as bad development.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jfristik on May 20, 2014, 07:02:50 AM
A couple weeks ago I walked past the Clevelander and noticed a bunch of scaffolding in front of the building. Has anyone walked past the building lately? Have they finally cleaned up the facade?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: winterton on May 23, 2014, 04:53:34 PM

A couple weeks ago I walked past the Clevelander and noticed a bunch of scaffolding in front of the building. Has anyone walked past the building lately? Have they finally cleaned up the facade?

Walked by today, remembered your post, and grabbed a quick shot with my phone. 

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Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: clvlndr on May 23, 2014, 05:17:23 PM
When is Red the Steakhouse opening their roof deck?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jfristik on May 23, 2014, 05:41:05 PM
Thank you! Doesn't look like they've done anything to clean up the facade. Call me crazy but I liked the old Clevelander look.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on May 25, 2014, 10:56:21 AM
That Clevelander building is an eyesore.  Too bad the property owners don't seem to have a clue.  Geez, please renovate the exterior and upper floors already!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Clueless,Ohio on May 29, 2014, 08:44:12 PM

^I dont think that bldg is done, thats just my guess tho.
I see tonight that the second floor of the Point Bldg is all interior-demoed (i.e. above winking lizard). Looks like a lot of walls were taken down
dont recall reading anything about that
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Mov2Ohio on May 30, 2014, 06:39:23 AM
^I believe an architecture firm will be taking the second floor of that building.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on June 11, 2014, 05:47:59 PM
http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2014/06122014/index.php

Cleveland Landmarks Commission
June 12, 2014

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There's more at:
http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2014/06122014/index.php
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: tradition7 on June 11, 2014, 07:10:02 PM
I love the addition of vibrant colors.  Aesthetically I think Cleveland needs more color and more trees (what happened to Forest city?).
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: w28th on June 12, 2014, 08:21:58 AM
All they did was put 20 people in the rendering with a small mural and some sort of vegetation filled dumpster.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: musky on June 12, 2014, 08:25:49 AM
The one thing that would do wonders for pedestrians and non-pedestrians alike would be a road resurfacing for that street that lasts longer than a few years. What ever happened to the brick crosswalks that were in place the last time the street had a major repaving anyway?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on June 12, 2014, 08:43:32 AM
All they did was put 20 people in the rendering with a small mural and some sort of vegetation filled dumpster.

What about the other renderings that followed it?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: ilivecle on June 12, 2014, 10:16:11 AM
All they did was put 20 people in the rendering with a small mural and some sort of vegetation filled dumpster.

What about the other renderings that followed it?

The rest of the renderings aren't that impressive either. Prospect needs to be repaved, the intersection at east 4th should be brick, better pedestrian lighting, and trees that are taller than my shin.

It would be great if they turned that parking lot by east 4th (between prospect and huron) into green space too.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on June 12, 2014, 10:17:59 AM
It would be great if they turned that parking lot by east 4th (between prospect and huron) into green space too.

Or at least what Cincinnati did with Washington Park -- put a parking garage below a redesigned park.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on June 12, 2014, 10:26:47 AM
Prospect has an incomplete feeling to it. I don't think any amount of aesthetic improvements will actually cure this.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: gruver on June 12, 2014, 11:20:15 AM
This project certainly has a Potemkin feel about it.   It almost advertises abandoned buildings.  I agree that what that street needs more is repaving and a real tree scape.   I am continually baffled by Cleveland's urban tree plantings.  The City seems to have a curious fondness for small, ornamental trees that are planted in very confined spaces, causing a failure to thrive.  Why, oh why, can't they simply fill spaces like this with trees that will mature into arboreal arch?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on June 12, 2014, 11:24:30 AM
This project certainly has a Potemkin feel about it.   It almost advertises abandoned buildings. 

Agree. There's a fine line between giving some life and color to storefront windows vs. a glaring bandaid that screams out "this isn't blight!"
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on June 12, 2014, 11:47:14 AM
I don't believe these ideas are long range in scope. As described on the LandStudio website:
LAND Studio plans to continue its work with Positively Cleveland by testing small-scale, low cost design projects before scaling up to larger and more permanent changes to the city's streets and public places.
LAND was hired by PositivelyCle to develop long and short term ideas to identify 'eyesores' areas.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: yanni_gogolak on June 12, 2014, 02:02:48 PM
All they did was put 20 people in the rendering with a small mural and some sort of vegetation filled dumpster.

What about the other renderings that followed it?

The planters look nice, but will be collectors of garbage and cigarette butts.
I like the idea of the Parkmobiles, but the locations on E. 5th of the Parkmobiles seem odd. Why would people want to sit there? Wouldn't these be better for Public Square being only temporary?
The storefront improvements don't do anything for me. They are bright, but they look like MS clip art.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Whipjacka on June 12, 2014, 02:21:28 PM
Land Studio works with an aesthetic that i just cant warm up to.  Everything ends up looking hackneyed in their attempt to be unique. Why would I want to sit in something that looks like a converted dumpster?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: yanni_gogolak on June 13, 2014, 12:41:57 PM
Land Studio works with an aesthetic that i just cant warm up to.  Everything ends up looking hackneyed in their attempt to be unique. Why would I want to sit in something that looks like a converted dumpster?

I would guess it's too "urban" for you? In New York City they have swimming pools in converted dumpsters.
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Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MyTwoSense on June 13, 2014, 12:46:35 PM
Land Studio works with an aesthetic that i just cant warm up to.  Everything ends up looking hackneyed in their attempt to be unique. Why would I want to sit in something that looks like a converted dumpster?

I would guess it's too "urban" for you? In New York City they have swimming pools in converted dumpsters.

That is a bad example as those "pools" were temporary for a City Sponsored summer event on Park Ave. 4 years ago.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: yanni_gogolak on June 13, 2014, 12:47:34 PM
Land Studio works with an aesthetic that i just cant warm up to.  Everything ends up looking hackneyed in their attempt to be unique. Why would I want to sit in something that looks like a converted dumpster?

I would guess it's too "urban" for you? In New York City they have swimming pools in converted dumpsters.

That is a bad example as those "pools" were temporary for a City Sponsored summer event on Park Ave. 4 years ago.

Are these too not temporary like the CPLibrary reading garden and bookmobiles? I would hate to think the storefront signage is permanent and they have abandoned all hope of leasing the spaces.
The point was the OP stated they didn't want to sit on dumpsters, I was stating that people swim in them.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MyTwoSense on June 13, 2014, 12:50:05 PM
Land Studio works with an aesthetic that i just cant warm up to.  Everything ends up looking hackneyed in their attempt to be unique. Why would I want to sit in something that looks like a converted dumpster?

I would guess it's too "urban" for you? In New York City they have swimming pools in converted dumpsters.

That is a bad example as those "pools" were temporary for a City Sponsored summer event on Park Ave. 4 years ago.

Are these too not temporary like the CPLibrary reading garden and bookmobiles? I would hate to think the storefront signage is permanent and they have abandoned all hope of leasing the spaces.
The point was the OP stated they didn't want to sit on dumpsters, I was stating that people swim in them.
They were constructed then dismantled.  In addition, these "pools" were only open for 4 hours, in mornings, on certain days.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: yanni_gogolak on June 13, 2014, 04:32:06 PM
Land Studio works with an aesthetic that i just cant warm up to.  Everything ends up looking hackneyed in their attempt to be unique. Why would I want to sit in something that looks like a converted dumpster?

I would guess it's too "urban" for you? In New York City they have swimming pools in converted dumpsters.

That is a bad example as those "pools" were temporary for a City Sponsored summer event on Park Ave. 4 years ago.

Are these too not temporary like the CPLibrary reading garden and bookmobiles? I would hate to think the storefront signage is permanent and they have abandoned all hope of leasing the spaces.
The point was the OP stated they didn't want to sit on dumpsters, I was stating that people swim in them.
They were constructed then dismantled.  In addition, these "pools" were only open for 4 hours, in mornings, on certain days.

Please feel free to read my post that you responded to. That's why I put it there.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MyTwoSense on June 14, 2014, 09:05:03 AM
Land Studio works with an aesthetic that i just cant warm up to.  Everything ends up looking hackneyed in their attempt to be unique. Why would I want to sit in something that looks like a converted dumpster?

I would guess it's too "urban" for you? In New York City they have swimming pools in converted dumpsters.

That is a bad example as those "pools" were temporary for a City Sponsored summer event on Park Ave. 4 years ago.

Are these too not temporary like the CPLibrary reading garden and bookmobiles? I would hate to think the storefront signage is permanent and they have abandoned all hope of leasing the spaces.
The point was the OP stated they didn't want to sit on dumpsters, I was stating that people swim in them.
They were constructed then dismantled.  In addition, these "pools" were only open for 4 hours, in mornings, on certain days.

Please feel free to read my post that you responded to. That's why I put it there.
and my point was that choosing them as a comparison made no sense.  ;)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: yanni_gogolak on June 14, 2014, 01:10:06 PM
and my point was that choosing them as a comparison made no sense.  ;)

The point was the OP stated they didn't want to sit on dumpsters, I was stating that people swim in them.

If it's a comparison then the comparison was that they at one point existed.


Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on July 14, 2014, 10:54:00 AM
http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140713/RENEWSLETTER/140719926/1276/newsletter07



NY Spaghetti House in downtown Cleveland changes hands

" ...but they will try to get a city OK to demolish the restaurant." 
Lou Frangos "He insisted his brother paid him real money for the quaint but dilapidated building."

Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: gotribe on July 14, 2014, 10:59:00 AM
http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140713/RENEWSLETTER/140719926/1276/newsletter07



NY Spaghetti House in downtown Cleveland changes hands

" ...but they will try to get a city OK to demolish the restaurant." 
Lou Frangos "He insisted his brother paid him real money for the quaint but dilapidated building."


And meanwhile, one block north of here, E9th and Euclid is seeing a transformation like no other.  I really wish parking did not generate such great revenues!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on July 14, 2014, 12:11:14 PM
Hopefully the City won't let him demolish the historic building.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on July 14, 2014, 01:02:40 PM
http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140713/RENEWSLETTER/140719926/1276/newsletter07



NY Spaghetti House in downtown Cleveland changes hands

" ...but they will try to get a city OK to demolish the restaurant." 
Lou Frangos "He insisted his brother paid him real money for the quaint but dilapidated building."



Disgusting.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: StapHanger on July 14, 2014, 01:10:54 PM
Not too surprising, I guess, given the expected parking demand generated by the new stuff at 9th and Euclid. But still awful.

I loved this tidbit at the end of the article:

He said the transaction also provides a means for the Rascal House owner to shelter from federal taxes some of the proceeds from the sale of his original location to CSU. That building was demolished by CSU to help produce the site of its new Center for Health Professions. 

As if I didn't hate that horrendous CSU project enough already.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mjarboe on July 14, 2014, 01:36:08 PM
Hi all -

Three things to consider re: New York Spaghetti House.

1. Building demolitions for parking are prohibited in the central business district without special permission. Even if they take down the building, they won't necessarily be able to use the land for parking.

2. Members of the Frangos family have sought permission before to demolish the New York Spaghetti House. They haven't been successful. That said, I hear the building is in worse shape now than it was a few years ago.

3. The building, constructed in the late 1800s, is a Cleveland city landmark. The Landmarks Commission will have to review a demolition request. I haven't seen anything show up yet on a public agenda.

Michelle
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on July 14, 2014, 01:50:16 PM
The thing that is ridiculous to me, is these property owners just hold the properties until they fall so far into disrepair that they "have to be torn down". Is there nothing in place where the city can fine these building owners?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on July 14, 2014, 01:58:05 PM
The thing that is ridiculous to me, is these property owners just hold the properties until they fall so far into disrepair that they "have to be torn down". Is there nothing in place where the city can fine these building owners?

Change the statutory definition of "demolition" to include demolition by neglect.  By letting your building fall into such disrepair that it must be demolished (likely by building and housing), you will have been deemed to have demolished your building pursuant to the statutory definition.  This of course, would put you on the wrong side of the law in a historic district where you need permission to demolish structures or face penalties.

This is a similar issue to the Herold Building fiasco on Prospect.  It would be best to write a letter to Cimperman or whoever to change the statutory definition to give the City more leverage over saving historic structures.  It seems like it would be an easy fix too.  Detroit's City code defines demolition to include demolition by neglect.  There is nothing that Detroit can do that we can't.   :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on July 14, 2014, 03:10:56 PM
If a building falls into neglect, then it almost certainly is violating one or more building codes. If those violations aren't rectified, the city can fine the owner or otherwise force the owner to take action. The problem is that the city's Board of Building Standards is overwhelmed with so many cases of neglect.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on July 14, 2014, 03:14:21 PM
^  That too.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: archangel on July 14, 2014, 04:31:17 PM
The real crime is the quality of Rascal House Pizza. Blechh.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MyTwoSense on July 14, 2014, 04:32:19 PM
The real crime is the quality of Rascal House Pizza. Blechh.

I haven't been there in years.  Too funny!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on July 14, 2014, 05:02:46 PM
Thnx Michelle. As usual with you we get 'the rest of the story'.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on July 15, 2014, 01:45:08 PM
The current owner's strategy = demolition by neglect.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MuRrAy HiLL on July 15, 2014, 06:04:23 PM
Crumbling Cleveland building has ties to rock and roll

Kristin Anderson, WKYC 7:24 p.m. EDT July 14, 2014

CLEVELAND -- An historic building downtown is sparking a fight over whether to tear it down and lose a piece of Cleveland history.

The former Herald Building is connected to the place where music industry icon Alan Freed coined the phrase "Rock and Roll."

Downtown Cleveland Alliance says the owners of the Herald Building want to tear it down and possibly put up a billboard, or retail store or parking lot.

WKYC tried contacting L&R, but has yet to hear back from them.

The city ordered L&R to repair the building to make it safe, but they say L&R is not in compliance with the court.


http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/cuyahoga-county/2014/07/14/historic-building-has-ties-to-rock-and-roll/12650425/
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: dave68 on July 15, 2014, 06:33:12 PM
The City policy should be as such for demolition to occur.    First. the fines paid. Second the building should be placed back into habitable conditions as codes require. Third a moratorium of minimal 24 months of keeping the property in good condition.   If after two years then the owner can apply for demolition if no interest or buyer/owner sees potential with repurpose.   Also anything replacing the property at minimum must replace minimal square footage
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MyTwoSense on July 16, 2014, 07:52:35 AM
I think you should be forced to fix violation or the city should take it by eminent domain.  If you've owned a building, and you haven't fixed it, over the years, there is a reason. 

Honestly, I think some owners who are not involved in the community or are NOT local are waiting to cash in.  East 4th and now East 9 are hot development areas so they've been sitting on the crumbling land and building waiting for a pay day!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Oldmanladyluck on July 16, 2014, 08:43:03 AM
I thought the building was part of the original block, but not the actual building where rock and roll was coined?  It still would be a shame to lose, though.

And if this building is truly important to the history of this town, then greater action should be taken to save it.  I don't think a receivership could apply to a commercial building (I believe only residential properties can go through receivership), but what if it could? The Gateway Development Corp could file for receivership of the building, which could be granted allowing the building to be at least structurally renovated.  The receivership would become a first priority lien against the property, coming before any other liens against the property or the owners.  Once the building is renovated, if the owners don't pay Gateway back Gateway could foreclose and get the title to the property.  And since Gateway is a 501(c)3, they could apply for different sources of funding to save the building from demo.  I'm sure some of the Foundations in town would be willing to at least help fund the preservation of such an important piece of Cleveland's history.

That's IF a receivership could be filed for a commercial building... if not then our council members would need to get involved to create legislation allowing for a receivership to happen with commercial buildings.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: amorybla1ne on July 16, 2014, 01:07:08 PM
Actually I'm pretty certain that the Rock n Roll phrase was coined in the Idea Center in Playhouse Square.

Source: The plaque on the front of the building.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: ML11 on July 23, 2014, 10:19:20 AM
I noticed a lot of interior work being done to the second floor of the triangular building at the E9th/Prospect/Huron intersection that also houses the Winking Lizard. Obviously there are HUGE windows on both floors, and from what I could see, it looked like they were setting up some kind of offices up there, but has anyone heard specifics regarding this building? 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on July 23, 2014, 10:42:31 AM
I noticed a lot of interior work being done to the second floor of the triangular building at the E9th/Prospect/Huron intersection that also houses the Winking Lizard. Obviously there are HUGE windows on both floors, and from what I could see, it looked like they were setting up some kind of offices up there, but has anyone heard specifics regarding this building? 

The upstairs were the offices/classrooms of Kent State's Architecture School, which later moved to Euclid Avenue at East 12th. Sounds like a new tenant is in the cards for the old space.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mjarboe on July 23, 2014, 11:27:02 AM
I noticed a lot of interior work being done to the second floor of the triangular building at the E9th/Prospect/Huron intersection that also houses the Winking Lizard. Obviously there are HUGE windows on both floors, and from what I could see, it looked like they were setting up some kind of offices up there, but has anyone heard specifics regarding this building? 

City Year Cleveland is moving into that office space. I believe they have a five-year lease, and they're scheduled to take occupancy soon.

Michelle
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mrnyc on July 23, 2014, 12:00:24 PM
The real crime is the quality of Rascal House Pizza. Blechh.

haha now there are some memories -- even as a teen going in the rs to drink beer underage and hangout we laughed about it. that pizza is infamous!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: PoshSteve on July 23, 2014, 05:49:51 PM
I noticed a lot of interior work being done to the second floor of the triangular building at the E9th/Prospect/Huron intersection that also houses the Winking Lizard. Obviously there are HUGE windows on both floors, and from what I could see, it looked like they were setting up some kind of offices up there, but has anyone heard specifics regarding this building? 

City Year Cleveland is moving into that office space. I believe they have a five-year lease, and they're scheduled to take occupancy soon.

Michelle

From a little research on them, it looks like they are currently housed in the Leader Building. So with all the angst about tenants from these older buildings now up for conversion, it looks like at least one will be clearing out and still stay downtown. Although its quite likely this move was in the works before the conversion plans were announced or even conceived
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: ML11 on July 24, 2014, 12:27:39 PM
I noticed a lot of interior work being done to the second floor of the triangular building at the E9th/Prospect/Huron intersection that also houses the Winking Lizard. Obviously there are HUGE windows on both floors, and from what I could see, it looked like they were setting up some kind of offices up there, but has anyone heard specifics regarding this building? 

City Year Cleveland is moving into that office space. I believe they have a five-year lease, and they're scheduled to take occupancy soon.

Michelle

Cool, thanks for the info.  Going to be nice to see more regular foot traffic around this intersection w/new office tenants here and across the street at the County building. Maybe we'll even see a few more storefronts revamped in that area.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: AJ93 on July 24, 2014, 01:16:45 PM
I noticed a lot of interior work being done to the second floor of the triangular building at the E9th/Prospect/Huron intersection that also houses the Winking Lizard. Obviously there are HUGE windows on both floors, and from what I could see, it looked like they were setting up some kind of offices up there, but has anyone heard specifics regarding this building? 

City Year Cleveland is moving into that office space. I believe they have a five-year lease, and they're scheduled to take occupancy soon.

Michelle

From a little research on them, it looks like they are currently housed in the Leader Building. So with all the angst about tenants from these older buildings now up for conversion, it looks like at least one will be clearing out and still stay downtown. Although its quite likely this move was in the works before the conversion plans were announced or even conceived

While I am of the mind that the risk of businesses in these buildings relocating to the suburb is overblown, I wouldn't take too much from CityYear's actions. Based on the nature of what they do, there was no way they would be located anywhere but within the city limits.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: DavidJames on August 07, 2014, 05:16:21 PM
@mjarboe just posted this on Twitter:

So proposed @EnterpriseStark project in #CLE's Gateway District has a name: "nuCLEus." And here's a massing study.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BudtwJLCQAAgG30.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on August 07, 2014, 05:22:46 PM
I've moved all posts regarding Stark's nuCLEus development to a new thread:
http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,29504.0.html
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on August 20, 2014, 04:40:54 PM
New-ish outdoor patio @sushi86
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on August 22, 2014, 05:33:42 PM
Just so everyone is abreast of the latest goings on:

The Goldfish Supply building at 210 Prospect Ave (PPN:101-28-004) AND the building next to it (PPN: 101-28-004) are at the very tail end of a tax foreclosure case -
CV-13-805115 WOODS COVE II, LLC vs. PROSPECT AVENUE PROPERTIES, LLC
http://cpdocket.cp.cuyahogacounty.us/CV_CaseInformation_Docket.aspx?q=RY7R9ii7HV8jkGmVFcOcbg2

On 7/09/2014: Woods Cove II, LLC (Plaintiff) was granted summary judgment and issued a decree of foreclosure.  The case, however, appears to be dragging on because Woods Cove II, LLC is claiming they are owed attorney's fees by the Defendant.  A hearing on the issue is set for 9/10/2014.

Unless the owner comes up with some serious cash, these parcels will end up at sheriff's sale in the near future.  Will be interesting to see how this plays.  Remember that Weston bought the building in the middle of the block (PPN: 101-28-005) in 2012.  L&R is set to transfer the easternmost building (101-28-006) and the adjacent parking lot (101-28-007) to Bob Stark if all goes according to plan (praying it does).

This entire block could potentially be in the hands of entities capable and willing to actually do something with it.  Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Clueless,Ohio on August 23, 2014, 03:30:18 PM

Gateway Walk & Dine 2014

Meet-up places. One could visit tour sites w a group or individually

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First stop we went was the Rotunda

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Standing on the second floor, where the largest selection of beer and wine in Ohio will be located

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Lookin out the second floor windows

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looking up to a now familiar sight

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Next, a look inside the new County Admin bldg

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A look outside the Admin bldg's windows

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over to the Ivory on Euclid (formerly Truman Building)

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Next, over to 1717 E 9th.

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On the second floor (only floor finished at the time). Great apts!

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terrific city views from just the second floor

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Location of future Al's Deli, serving great food (as were many downtown restaurants at all the stops)

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Our tour ended at the Old Arcade w a look at some renovted Hyatt hotel suites

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Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: ragarcia on August 23, 2014, 06:01:35 PM
Superb pics. Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: bumsquare on August 23, 2014, 10:04:57 PM
That was great, thanks!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mrclifton88 on August 23, 2014, 11:05:17 PM
Is Heinen's really going to have the largest selection of beer and wine in ohio? Wow
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: New World Techno Boy on August 23, 2014, 11:30:57 PM
I did not see the article that refers to the "largest selection" but it has to be noted that the Ohio Liquor Commission restricts precisely what can be stocked - and it is severely restricted compared to other states.  Check out what is available in the state of NY and you will get an idea of what we are missing.  The article should read "The largest selection of the limited selection".   
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jeremyck01 on August 24, 2014, 02:58:36 AM
Is Heinen's really going to have the largest selection of beer and wine in ohio? Wow

The West Pointe Market in Akron likes to say that they have the largest wine selection between NYC and Chicago, so I wonder if the Heinen's will actually top that.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on August 24, 2014, 05:37:36 AM
Nice job, Clueless! You definitely are not clueless when it comes to contributing great content to UrbanOhio!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Niko on September 03, 2014, 10:05:08 AM
Saw this last night in the 5th street arcade while we were walking back from the Indians game.  I hope this Barrio plans to open for lunch. 

(http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac49/nikhorvat/barrio_gateway.jpg) (http://s884.photobucket.com/user/nikhorvat/media/barrio_gateway.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Clueless,Ohio on September 06, 2014, 05:55:30 PM
Is Heinen's really going to have the largest selection of beer and wine in ohio? Wow

Fred Geis  said this to the tour group on the GWay Walk & Dine, July 23
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on September 18, 2014, 12:56:25 PM
Investors tied to Red Restaurant Group buy 811 Prospect Ave. building, plan Moxie 2.0 in downtown #CLE: http://t.co/LzNyoKBJk0 #CRE
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on September 18, 2014, 01:23:13 PM
Investors tied to Red Restaurant Group buy 811 Prospect Ave. building, plan Moxie 2.0 in downtown #CLE: http://t.co/LzNyoKBJk0 #CRE
Oh, now that is exciting! I found that building so ugly every time I walked out of my building when I lived there...and to see the building it replaced!!! Side-note, why isn't this in Gateway instead of random development?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on September 18, 2014, 01:28:30 PM
Investors tied to Red Restaurant Group buy 811 Prospect Ave. building, plan Moxie 2.0 in downtown #CLE: http://t.co/LzNyoKBJk0 #CRE

Wow that building is just about terrible. Anyhow, glad it's getting a tenant finally. And hoping the renovation does some magic.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: musky on September 18, 2014, 02:32:01 PM
Good news. I always thought something like an ESPN Zone (are they even around anymore?) would have done well there.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Urbanophile on September 18, 2014, 03:32:00 PM
Wow, I had no idea that that building has never had a tenant since it's been built. This is certainly a good sign for downtown, then!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on September 19, 2014, 10:33:38 AM
Oh, now that is exciting! I found that building so ugly every time I walked out of my building when I lived there...and to see the building it replaced!!! Side-note, why isn't this in Gateway instead of random development?

Because I was too sick yesterday to do much else, let alone do it coherently. I discovered I had mis-posted a few messages yesterday.

Anyway, when the vacant, featureless buildings are gaining tenants, you know downtown is running out of existing structures to fill!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: StapHanger on September 19, 2014, 10:47:32 AM
Wow, this is fantastic news.  Sure beats an Alice Cooperstown.

I can't believe it's been almost 20 years since the Standard demo. I remember being super bummed out by it.  The LOC photos Michelle links to in the story remind me why I was so bummed: http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/oh1779.photos.212676p/resource/
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on September 20, 2014, 12:35:46 PM
Ok, so this one I did find on my own.

737 BOLIVAR RD (101-29-033) transferred on on September 12, 2014 for $2,400,000 to a LOOKOUT REALTY GROUP LLC.

Here is the building:
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a62/Randigo/737Bolivar_zps6e65267e.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Randigo/media/737Bolivar_zps6e65267e.jpg.html)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a62/Randigo/Untitled_zpsb771c444.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Randigo/media/Untitled_zpsb771c444.jpg.html)

So...who is this LOOKOUT REALTY GROUP LLC?  A business search at the Ohio Secretary of State's website shows that their articles of incorporation were filed on 6/25/2014.  http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:0::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:2306280

As expected, the details to be found within the filings are scant.  The only names listed on the filings happen to be attorneys at Hahn Loeser.

Apparently, the owner was marketing 5,300 sqft of office space for lease on the 3rd floor and 7,200 sqft on the 4th floor.  You can see some pictures of the interior here: http://www.thesquarefoot.com/listings/oh/cleveland/44115/downtown-dallas/737-bolivar-road/148068

Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: doctabroccoli on September 20, 2014, 12:46:48 PM
Ok, so this one I did find on my own.

737 BOLIVAR RD (101-29-033) transferred on on September 12, 2014 for $2,400,000 to a LOOKOUT REALTY GROUP LLC.

Here is the building:
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a62/Randigo/737Bolivar_zps6e65267e.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Randigo/media/737Bolivar_zps6e65267e.jpg.html)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a62/Randigo/Untitled_zpsb771c444.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Randigo/media/Untitled_zpsb771c444.jpg.html)

So...who is this LOOKOUT REALTY GROUP LLC?  A business search at the Ohio Secretary of State's website shows that their articles of incorporation were filed on 6/25/2014.  http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:0::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:2306280

As expected, the details to be found within the filings are scant.  The only names listed on the filings happen to be attorneys at Hahn Loeser.

Don't know if there is any connection, but Zaremba's offices are in that building.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on September 20, 2014, 01:04:13 PM
Scene Magazine will occupy the 4th floor.

Scene to get new home in downtown's NineTwelve District The alternative newsweekly will occupy the top floor of a four-story building at 737 Bolivar Road just acquired by Lookout Realty Group LLC, which is led by Andrew Zelman, a principal in Scene's ownership.

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140911/FREE/140919944/scene-to-get-new-home-in-downtowns-ninetwelve-district

Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on September 22, 2014, 09:13:44 AM
Its certainly a big enough project to have its own thread, which it does.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on September 25, 2014, 12:01:08 PM
Crews moving plywood into the Southworth Building this morning.  Set to be apartments.

Seen this morning:
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Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Clueless,Ohio on October 09, 2014, 08:58:11 PM

On the way over to PHS, fianlly snapped a shot of the May co. parking garage as it's looked the last few days.
couldnt find anything on line about this

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Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Urbanophile on October 09, 2014, 10:07:26 PM
^ I drive by that monstrosity everyday. It looks terrible. Does anyone know what's happening?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on October 09, 2014, 10:09:44 PM
It looks like they're spraying for bugs. 

Really though, are they just using dirty bedsheets?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on October 09, 2014, 10:20:45 PM
Maybe it's dressed up for Halloween? Looks like a ghost.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on October 20, 2014, 10:59:24 AM

On the way over to PHS, fianlly snapped a shot of the May co. parking garage as it's looked the last few days.
couldnt find anything on line about this

(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/baa/photo290_zps7121fe75.jpg)

Anybody have an update on this? Haven't been down that way since last month. Can't find anything about it.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MayDay on October 20, 2014, 11:10:04 AM
Might just be painting...? On another note I saw a few trucks with what looked to be crane components parked outside Progressive Field on Ontario. I'm guessing for the improvements to the stadium?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: musky on October 20, 2014, 11:17:07 AM
^^I think it is more than repainting. There is a construction dumpster in the Tilted Kilt parking area off of the East 3rd alley that is full of construction debris and has been refilled weekly. I'm usually parked back there at least once a week for biz. I'll ask around the next time I am there.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on October 20, 2014, 11:18:34 AM
Might just be painting...? On another note I saw a few trucks with what looked to be crane components parked outside Progressive Field on Ontario. I'm guessing for the improvements to the stadium?

Progressive Field renovations began about Oct. 1. Follow here:
http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,29502.msg729087.html#msg729087
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Hootenany on October 20, 2014, 12:51:18 PM
Might just be painting...? On another note I saw a few trucks with what looked to be crane components parked outside Progressive Field on Ontario. I'm guessing for the improvements to the stadium?

There was definitely a jack-hammer going when I drove by this morning.  Perhaps some structural maintenance. 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Clueless,Ohio on October 20, 2014, 05:43:59 PM
needless to say May Co garage needs at least a cosmetic makeover


today it was a 'sign raising' down Prospect

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Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MuRrAy HiLL on October 20, 2014, 05:47:03 PM
Cleveland loves its quality blade signs.  Nice!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Mendo on October 20, 2014, 06:05:38 PM
Cleveland loves its quality blade signs.  Nice!

Agreed. That sign looks like it's 15 feet tall. Looks good.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on October 20, 2014, 06:20:46 PM
Love me that white terra cotta building next door
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: X on October 20, 2014, 06:28:56 PM
That whole block is great.  I want a loft in one of those buildings.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: w28th on October 20, 2014, 08:03:22 PM
^buy out the Knights of Columbus...  Stubborn land owners unfortunately.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: JG on October 20, 2014, 10:50:07 PM
What is the building called that the Clevelander is located in?  I've also thought it was an interesting building.

Also, was this sign on a recent design review?  I like the sign but I didn't realize that they were getting one.  Surprised I didn't see it posted on here, unless I probably just missed it.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on October 21, 2014, 09:16:01 AM
Also, was this sign on a recent design review?  I like the sign but I didn't realize that they were getting one.  Surprised I didn't see it posted on here, unless I probably just missed it.

I don't post sign requests as there are too many of them.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on October 21, 2014, 01:02:43 PM
The Knights of Columbus have prevented any progress on this block.  They shun historical renovation and collaboration.  Actually, owning these assets is totally unrelated to their charitable "mission".  Weird. 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: JG on October 22, 2014, 12:49:10 PM
What buildings do the KoC own on this block and which are they located in?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Loretto on October 22, 2014, 01:04:48 PM
They own the two buildings covered by the trees in this photo.
(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/baa/photo305_zps266e2423.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on October 23, 2014, 06:17:38 PM
For those wondering what's going on the May Co. garage, this is what it is:

http://t.co/QmOZ04Sy8S
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on October 23, 2014, 06:25:14 PM
For those wondering what's going on the May Co. garage, this is what it is:

http://t.co/QmOZ04Sy8S

That looks like East 6th and Huron, no?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Loretto on October 23, 2014, 06:28:44 PM
That looks like East 6th and Prospect, no?

Yep. I guess it could be called the NuCLEus garage.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: musky on October 23, 2014, 06:30:26 PM
For those wondering what's going on the May Co. garage, this is what it is:

http://t.co/QmOZ04Sy8S

That looks like East 6th and Prospect, no?


I'm pretty sure that is not the May Co. Garage, @KJP
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on October 23, 2014, 09:38:37 PM
Yup, another angle...that means my dream of the MayCo. garage being wired for implosion are still alive.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on October 24, 2014, 09:19:05 AM
Oh you're right! I'm surprised Stark would waste time putting up a mural on a garage he intends to demolish. So maybe his plans to level it are still a ways off?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: bjk on October 24, 2014, 10:56:42 AM
He's not wasting time - he's squeezing some advertising revenue out of a temporary banner hung in a high-visibility location that is going to be seen during the big party held in that surface lot in conjunction with the Cavs opener.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on October 24, 2014, 11:39:15 AM
Banner times downtown!

myneighborhoodCLE ‏@CLEwarehouse  3m3 minutes ago
The Sherwin-Williams banner across from @TheQArena is coming down to make room for a new @KingJames banner
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0uOIknIUAEChlk.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: clvlndr on October 24, 2014, 11:48:37 AM
Oh you're right! I'm surprised Stark would waste time putting up a mural on a garage he intends to demolish. So maybe his plans to level it are still a ways off?

... or, it's a shrewd PR move.  The "mural," which looks like a huge tarp-like removable banner, is less than pocket change to Bob Stark.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Clueless,Ohio on October 26, 2014, 08:13:39 PM

A Cleve-centric mural has gone up on part of the May garage

(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/baa/photo322_zps8dfa15ba.jpg)

(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/baa/photo321_zps52b1cbe5.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: BCCLE1 on October 27, 2014, 09:21:12 AM
As much as I too would like to see the May Co. garage torn down, have to admit I do like the mural on the May Co. garage.

What CLE does not need is 2 murals of a "king".
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on October 29, 2014, 01:39:25 PM
All of this is a temporary development, but it will help spotlight the Gateway District in ways that haven't been seen since the 2007 NBA Finals....

Where/when to find @NBAonTNT party, @nikebasketball banner unveiling, @espn set, watch parties http://t.co/E2Bj1akIet

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1IWOxdIcAIWOjx.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MyTwoSense on November 02, 2014, 09:41:31 AM
(professional hat on)
For our people, I heard nothing but positive things about the city.  Granted most only stayed downtown.  Their biggest complaint was flights in/flights out, but that isn't a issue that Cleveland/NEOhio is to solely blame for. 

For our old NBA crew many ventured out, as opposed to flying in the day before then out the next morning.  They all felt a different energy in the city and not just about LeBron.  Many feel the city actually feels/performs like a big city.  The new crew felt like they could go out after work and party in region/city specific venues you would find in other large cities. (professional hat off)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on November 02, 2014, 10:29:18 AM
ESPN had a drone with a cam flying over East 4th and environs. The size of the crowd was outstanding and the density of the city and its activity level looked terrific from the air. I think a lot of buzz resulted nationally.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jeremyck01 on November 02, 2014, 02:24:39 PM
ESPN had a drone with a cam flying over East 4th and environs. The size of the crowd was outstanding and the density of the city and its activity level looked terrific from the air. I think a lot of buzz resulted nationally.

Are there any links to video of this coverage? I missed it the first time around, and a quick Google search yielded nothing. I would love to see those overhead shots.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Mendo on November 02, 2014, 04:06:05 PM
ESPN had a drone with a cam flying over East 4th and environs. The size of the crowd was outstanding and the density of the city and its activity level looked terrific from the air. I think a lot of buzz resulted nationally.

Are there any links to video of this coverage? I missed it the first time around, and a quick Google search yielded nothing. I would love to see those overhead shots.

If you happen to find the video, look for the truck parked on the curb in front of Cle Clothing store. That was my Uhaul. Not a good day to move out...
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on November 02, 2014, 08:03:02 PM
If you happen to find the video, look for the truck parked on the curb in front of Cle Clothing store. That was my Uhaul. Not a good day to move out...

I noticed the truck in the background. Dude. Ouch!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Cleburger on November 02, 2014, 10:47:32 PM
ESPN had a drone with a cam flying over East 4th and environs. The size of the crowd was outstanding and the density of the city and its activity level looked terrific from the air. I think a lot of buzz resulted nationally.

Are there any links to video of this coverage? I missed it the first time around, and a quick Google search yielded nothing. I would love to see those overhead shots.

If you happen to find the video, look for the truck parked on the curb in front of Cle Clothing store. That was my Uhaul. Not a good day to move out...


LOL talk about bad luck.  If you had only predicted when signing that lease that it would be the Cavs home opener....and Lebron would be coming home with a bunch of free agents... and oh, Cleveland be the focus of the world on your move out day... :)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Mendo on November 03, 2014, 12:52:32 PM
LOL talk about bad luck.  If you had only predicted when signing that lease that it would be the Cavs home opener....and Lebron would be coming home with a bunch of free agents... and oh, Cleveland be the focus of the world on your move out day... :)

I noticed the truck in the background. Dude. Ouch!

Yes, a crazy day made worse by a moving company that no-showed. My truck was parked there for a few hours while I waited for another set of movers (that also never showed). The East 4th office eventually told me to move the truck because ESPN was complaining my truck was in their shot. But not before getting a parking ticket. They let me keep the apartment through the weekend and I moved Saturday.:-D
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: ML11 on November 03, 2014, 02:56:05 PM
^^^ That's a great story. You should reach out to U-Haul and see if they can hook you up with a free rental in the future after all the free publicity they got from you.  8-)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on November 09, 2014, 09:45:03 PM
For the record and reference in this thread. And do we know what is included in that $7 million? It's a significant amount which is probably enough to include the conversion of East 4th between Prospect and Huron into a pedestrian street....

I don't care if this guy doesn't have a drivers license, he 'gets' downtown...

November 09. 2014 4:30AM
Ed FitzGerald to recommend Cuyahoga County commit $8.8 million of casino tax revenue to downtown projects

By JAY MILLER
Cuyahoga County Executive Ed FitzGerald wants to commit $8.8 million from the county’s share of casino tax revenue to loans for three downtown Cleveland projects that he believes would improve residential options.
On Monday, Nov. 10, he will recommend to Cuyahoga County Council that the county make three commitments:
• a $4 million loan to Landmark-May LLC to convert the May Co. building on Public Square to 350 apartments;
• a $3.3 million loan to Stark Enterprises for the first phase of its nuCLEus project near Quicken Loans Arena
• a $1.5 million loan to the Historic Gateway Neighborhood Corp. and the Downtown Cleveland Alliance to be put toward a $7 million makeover of the Gateway district.

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20141109/FREE/141109784?template=mobile&X-IgnoreUserAgent=1





Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on November 10, 2014, 03:09:38 PM
The County may loan some money for public improvements to both Gateway and Warehouse Districts.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: w28th on November 20, 2014, 04:20:46 PM
According to cleveland.com, looks like the cluster of buildings at Huron & Prospect have changed.  Interesting article, and even more interesting photos.
The one from 1948...  Amazing...

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/11/pointe_at_gateway_sells_for_52.html#incart_river
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on November 20, 2014, 07:37:39 PM
^ The physical condition of the streets seemed to look so much better way back when.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mrclifton88 on November 20, 2014, 09:15:02 PM
So many cars and people! That is amazing to see
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Hts121 on November 20, 2014, 10:45:21 PM
I wouldn't enjoy trying to navigate the traffic patterns in that last one
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on November 20, 2014, 11:09:41 PM
I always hoped someone would build something very modern and glassy on top of the flatiron building, and complete the triangle. Well they did mention maybe a rooftop patio, I guess we will start there.
btw @mjarboe posted these two early photos of that intersection. The first from the late 1800`s the other from the early 1900`s.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: TMH on November 21, 2014, 07:06:46 AM
Regarding the traffic at Prospect and East 9th, you can see that every day at rush hour.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MuRrAy HiLL on November 21, 2014, 11:05:48 AM
Not sure if I saw this posted anywhere:

Joe Haden set to open shoe store in Cleveland

The store will be a re-branding of the Lakewood shoe store United Sneakers. The Restock will sell consignment shoes at discounted prices in their new Prospect Ave store location in downtown Cleveland.  The address for the new store is 645 Prospect Avenue Cleveland, OH 44115. If you are interested in visiting the store, the grand opening will be on Black Friday (November 28), just in time for Christmas shopping.

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2014/11/joe-haden-set-open-shoe-store-cleveland/
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on November 21, 2014, 11:39:57 AM
Not sure if I saw this posted anywhere:

Joe Haden set to open shoe store in Cleveland

The store will be a re-branding of the Lakewood shoe store United Sneakers. The Restock will sell consignment shoes at discounted prices in their new Prospect Ave store location in downtown Cleveland.  The address for the new store is 645 Prospect Avenue Cleveland, OH 44115. If you are interested in visiting the store, the grand opening will be on Black Friday (November 28), just in time for Christmas shopping.

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2014/11/joe-haden-set-open-shoe-store-cleveland/

I posted it here, but this thread is good too!
http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,1722.msg734331.html#msg734331
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: musky on November 21, 2014, 12:46:20 PM
I wouldn't enjoy trying to navigate the traffic patterns in that last one

Six intersections... one traffic light  :-|
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on December 02, 2014, 09:53:43 PM
RNC by the Numbers.       http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/12/republican_national_convention.html

300,000: Square footage needed for a media center. Gateway East is an option. "We asked the city if we could tear it apart, use it and give it back, and the city said yes,".

Referenced in this article, Gateway East the parking garage next to Progressive Field is being 'eyed' as a potential media center for the RNC. A facility of 300,000 sq ft is needed. So they will take this parking garage and turn it into a building with walls and windows and air conditioning?  And will it remain that or revert back to parking.  Parking at gateway will be in a crunch sometime next year when nuCLEus is under way and this conversion takes place. Will Stark have his parking component complete to help ease the shortage of garage space.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: fishface on December 04, 2014, 01:19:50 PM
Does anyone know who is behind the development of this condo, or whatever it is?  Its a 5k sqft luxury condo unit available on airbnb, assuming its at the corner of 2nd and High, in the building about 21 lounge next to harry buffalo?  I'm curious about it and the rest of the building's space.

I'm not allowed to post external links, but you can find it here
2nd High - https :// www. airbnb.com/rooms/3652385?s=oH8K
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jmicha on December 04, 2014, 01:23:45 PM
I don't know anything about it but now I'm sad I know that place exists. So many poor finish choices in one location.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Mendo on December 04, 2014, 01:38:26 PM
Does anyone know who is behind the development of this condo, or whatever it is?  Its a 5k sqft luxury condo unit available on airbnb, assuming its at the corner of 2nd and High, in the building about 21 lounge next to harry buffalo?  I'm curious about it and the rest of the building's space.

I'm not allowed to post external links, but you can find it here
2nd High - https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/3652385?s=oH8K

Pretty sure it was the owner of the building that took it on. Not a major developer. I think the one condo is entire top floor. The rest of the building hasn't been redeveloped, AFAIK.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on February 11, 2015, 03:31:14 PM
Another candidate for housing conversion? Seems nuCLEus, The 9 and other nearby developments may drive up the value of this building for purposes other than offices....

United Church of Christ office building, adjoining Radisson Hotel up for sale
By STAN BULLARD
February 11, 2015 2:56 PM

The nine-floor United Church of Christ office building at 700 Prospect Ave. and the adjoining 142-room Radisson Hotel, 651 Huron Road, both owned by affiliates of the Cleveland-based United Church of Christ, are up for sale.

Geoffrey Black, general minister and UCC president, said the church administration decided the time is appropriate to test the market for its headquarters building and the hotel because property values are rising in the Gateway District neighborhood.

When the church moved its headquarters to Cleveland in 1990, it settled on what is now the Gateway District in order for its presence to help revitalize a languishing part of downtown. Construction of the Radisson beside the church was an early sign of hoped-for redevelopment in the area near Progressive Field and Quicken Loans Arena, which opened in 1994.

MORE:
http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20150211/FREE/150219953/united-church-of-christ-office-building-adjoining-radisson-hotel-up
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MuRrAy HiLL on February 14, 2015, 06:18:35 PM
^ can't believe I missed this.  Very interesting.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on February 26, 2015, 11:55:51 PM
Well this most likely wouldn't happen until after the RNC but improvements to the Q which is used for over 300 dates a year is needed. Hopefully the financing comes together like it did for the Browns. But I like the idea of a new all glass look for the exterior. Would look cool especially with nuCleus next door.

Cleveland Cavaliers suggest 50-50 split with Cuyahoga County for costly Quicken Loans Arena renovations
Andrew J. Tobias, Northeast Ohio Media Group

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cleveland Cavaliers have quietly suggested evenly splitting with Cuyahoga County the cost of a multimillion-dollar overhaul of the exterior of Quicken Loans Arena as part of a project to increase the building's square footage, Northeast Ohio Media Group has learned.
The team's plan would expand the building's footprint, creating more public space inside  -- and additional opportunities to sell concessions and other items -- and giving the concrete building a glass exterior, according to sources with knowledge of of the team's plan.

http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2015/02/the_cleveland_cavaliers_suggest_50-50_split_with_cuyahoga_county_for_costly_quicken_loans_arena_reno.html
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Urbanophile on February 27, 2015, 12:23:21 AM
While they're at it they should tear down that skywalk as part of the renovations. The NuCLEus renderings omitted the skywalk and for good reason.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jbee1982 on March 02, 2015, 01:36:48 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/03/its_official_public_square_ren.html
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: inlovewithCLE on March 05, 2015, 10:10:51 AM
While they're at it they should tear down that skywalk as part of the renovations. The NuCLEus renderings omitted the skywalk and for good reason.

That's not gonna happen
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Urbanophile on March 05, 2015, 12:14:31 PM
^ I said they should, not that they will. Wouldn't hurt to try to put some pressure on them though.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on March 05, 2015, 09:51:21 PM
So up thread I posted about the proposed renovations to the Q. Armond Budish(aka Mr. Beachwood) speaking with the editorial board at NEOMG suggested a proposal will come soon. And believes the renovations could be complete before the RNC. Really how is this possible, we are talking 140mil. I like aggressive but this doesn't seem possible. Notice to all construction workers - move to Cleveland, NOW...What are we going to do with ourselves after the big party?
http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2015/03/cuyahoga_county_executive_armond_budish_expects_quicken_loans_arena_overhaul_proposal_soon_5_takeawa.html#incart_m-rpt-1
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on March 08, 2015, 10:39:37 AM
The RNC thread is locked but it involves Gateway East.

How Geis Companies took action to ensure the RNC chose Cleveland
http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20150308/SUB1/303089987?template=mobile&X-IgnoreUserAgent=1#ATHS


You'd think the proposal would have made Greg Geis — or any developer — run away.
Design a temporary conversion of the Gateway East parking garage into a 300,000-square-foot office building to serve as the media center for the 2016 Republican National Convention. Do it without the benefit of specifications or blueprints. Do it in 10 days. And, oh yeah, do it all for free. It took less than two minutes for Geis to agree.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: TPH2 on March 25, 2015, 10:58:25 PM
I thought I remembered reading about this in another thread, but couldn't seem to find it. Anyways, here's a pic from tonight of the new Edible Arrangements on Ontario across from the casino.

(http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zLi7m-qsAT0/VRNxQPhRflI/AAAAAAAAFU8/t_dqfTDcnFA/s1024-no/IMG_0446.JPG)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jmc8651 on March 26, 2015, 07:34:17 AM
The stretch of Ontario between E 9th and PS is showing some signs of life.  Also there is a new convenience store/ Mr. Hero in the former Alvies space.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on March 26, 2015, 11:39:48 AM
cool, lots of good stuff happening near E. 9th too.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on March 31, 2015, 08:37:06 PM
Seen on 811 Prospect Ave today:

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a62/Randigo/image_zpsywwltlhc.jpeg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Randigo/media/image_zpsywwltlhc.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on March 31, 2015, 09:23:56 PM
Here is a closer look at the image on the banner.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on March 31, 2015, 09:43:31 PM
Awesome. I forgot all about this! One of the great things about getting older is getting to enjoy the same great news more than once!! :) From last September....

Investors tied to Red Restaurant Group buy 811 Prospect Ave. building, plan Moxie 2.0 in downtown #CLE: http://t.co/LzNyoKBJk0 #CRE

Investors tied to Red Restaurant Group buy 811 Prospect building, plan second Moxie location
By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer
on September 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM, updated September 18, 2014 at 1:51 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A downtown Cleveland building constructed in 1997 and never occupied is set to see its first tenant - a second outpost for Moxie, an East Side restaurant.

Real estate records show that investors affiliated with Red Restaurant Group bought the 811 Prospect Ave. building on Sept. 10. In an interview this week, investor Gregg Levy and restaurateur Jonathan Gross said they plan to renovate the two-story structure to house Moxie and other businesses.

The sale - for an undisclosed price - promises new life for a property with a tortured past. And the transaction is another sign of heightened interest in the Gateway District, where the revamped Ameritrust complex just opened after years of vacancy and several recent real estate deals herald more development.

MORE:
http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/09/investors_tied_to_red_restaura.html
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on March 31, 2015, 09:49:03 PM
Amazing this was built in the late 90s and never saw a tenant.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Urbanophile on March 31, 2015, 10:36:32 PM
Wow, I had no idea they would transform the building that much. What an improvement! Now someone just needs to develop the parking lot next to it
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Mendo on April 01, 2015, 01:25:08 AM
That looks awesome!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Pugu on April 01, 2015, 08:42:05 AM
Quote
Amazing this was built in the late 90s and never saw a tenant.

90s? It may have been re-habbed in the 90's, but if memory serves correctly, this building was the old Standard Theater.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on April 01, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
90s? It may have been re-habbed in the 90's, but if memory serves correctly, this building was the old Standard Theater.

The old Standard Theater was demolished. See the article I posted above. It discuss what happened and even has a photo of the old PC O'Briend Building which was offices and had the Standard Theater, like the Keith Building although smaller. Our "good friend" Alvin Krenzler demolished it and the Hippodrome despite objections to both.

EDIT -- here's a direct link to photos of the old PC O'Brien Building:
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=Photograph:%20oh1779&fi=number&op=PHRASE&va=exact&co%20=hh&st=gallery&sg%20=%20true
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on April 01, 2015, 11:20:44 AM
Anyone know when construction will begin and when Moxie might open?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: clvlndr on April 01, 2015, 11:42:54 AM
90s? It may have been re-habbed in the 90's, but if memory serves correctly, this building was the old Standard Theater.

The old Standard Theater was demolished. See the article I posted above. It discuss what happened and even has a photo of the old PC O'Briend Building which was offices and had the Standard Theater, like the Keith Building although smaller. Our "good friend" Alvin Krenzler demolished it and the Hippodrome despite objections to both.

EDIT -- here's a direct link to photos of the old PC O'Brien Building:
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/search/?q=Photograph:%20oh1779&fi=number&op=PHRASE&va=exact&co%20=hh&st=gallery&sg%20=%20true

Shame on the late Buddy Kenzler for demolishing these buildings -- at least the Standard Theater was replaced; as we know, the Hipp's old space is still surface parking on Euclid even though, I'll admit, it was probably more difficult to rehab the large, old Hipp rather than the smaller (though deep) Standard which appears to have had serious mixed-use possibilities even if the planned comedy club idea fell through.  Too bad.  That it was replaced by a never used (in 2 decades) structure, apparently built on spec, is bizarre...  But I do welcome the 2nd Moxie; its rendering is quite sexy.  I'd like to see more outdoor balcony seating in Cleveland restaurants.  It's something that some other cities have more of...

... btw, here's the PD's 2010's obit on Kenzler who, obviously, was quite a colorful (and often controversial) character.  It's not often you have a ex-City kid, retired federal judge, philanthropist RE developer and bow-tie wearing, octogenarian motorcycle club member all in one!

http://www.cleveland.com/obituaries/index.ssf/2010/09/obituary_-_alvin_buddy_krenzle.html
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MayDay on April 01, 2015, 04:19:32 PM
(http://clevelandskyscrapers.com/uoaxe.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on April 11, 2015, 11:42:25 PM
Here is a closer look at the image on the banner.

BTW, I found the listing for the leasable spaces in this development, which includes graphics, floor plans, etc.:

http://www.cityfeet.com/Partner/cleveland/ForLease/LN19033774/811-Prospect-Avenue-Cleveland-OH-44115
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: tomdabomb11 on April 13, 2015, 03:45:23 PM
I spoke to a contractor outside the former Radioshack location on Euclid today.  He told me a Rocket Fizz shop (candy, soda, etc) will be opening there in about 3 weeks or so. 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on April 13, 2015, 03:51:49 PM
Glad it has a new tenant, but I sure wish we had more non-food storefronts on Euclid.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: eyehrtfood on April 13, 2015, 04:34:10 PM
Rocket Fizz? That's actually a fairly big deal in that it's a national chain with dozens of stores - taking a chance on downtown (though perhaps run by a local franchisee).
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: gotribe on April 13, 2015, 04:36:02 PM
Rocket Fizz? That's actually a fairly big deal in that it's a national chain with dozens of stores- taking a chance on downtown.
I was unaware of that.  Great to hear!  I am with KJP though, I would like to start seeing some other retailers open up on Euclid.  However it's always good to see an out of region company open up shop here!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: CLE618 on April 13, 2015, 04:44:27 PM
Rocket Fizz was featured on Undercover Boss, check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8L8RF8Twn0

This is good news in my opinion. That was a pretty quick swap, Rocket Fizz must have been eyeing Cleveland and waiting for the right space to open up.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on April 13, 2015, 06:32:09 PM
Glad it has a new tenant, but I sure wish we had more non-food storefronts on Euclid.

I agree with this.  So we'll have a cupcake place next to a candy and soda pop place...I mean I guess that's better than nothing but when build-a-bear asks to move in, I'm gonna put my foot down.  Can't wait until we move past the "cupcake economy" and attract someone that sells something...useful.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Mendo on April 13, 2015, 06:47:58 PM
I agree with this.  So we'll have a cupcake place next to a candy and soda pop place...I mean I guess that's better than nothing but when build-a-bear asks to move in, I'm gonna put my foot down.  Can't wait until we move past the "cupcake economy" and attract someone that sells something...useful.

I think this more true now than ever.

The Diabetes District has a certain ring to it. I'll definitely stop by to check out the chocolates.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Barneyboy on April 13, 2015, 09:47:17 PM
Quote
Rocket Fizz? That's actually a fairly big deal in that it's a national chain with dozens of stores - taking a chance on downtown (though perhaps run by a local franchisee).

I've gone to the Rocket Fizz here in Houston at Rice Village quite a lot and my kids love it. It's a destination shop that's outfitted with retro signage and obscure candy and soda from around the world. While it ain't Nieman Marcus, it says quite a bit about the baby steps that are necessary for retail to happen downtown.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: CLE618 on April 23, 2015, 11:10:47 AM
Don't know if either of these have been mentioned--

1.) A bar called "ReBar" is opening on East 9th Street in the Huron Ninth Building, a few doors down from the Panini's. There's an "opening soon" sign in the window.

2.) Heard from a friend that a new café is opening along Prospect in a space next to the new Barrio. Supposedly in May. This may have already been mentioned, though. https://www.facebook.com/HelioTerraVeganCafe
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sizzlinbeef on April 23, 2015, 12:02:20 PM
2.) Heard from a friend that a new café is opening along Prospect in a space next to the new Barrio. Supposedly in May. This may have already been mentioned, though. https://www.facebook.com/HelioTerraVeganCafe

The old 'Titan Up' café spot next to/inside of Titan's gym.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on May 05, 2015, 06:42:23 PM
Rocket Fizz opens in former Radio Shack.

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2015/05/05/rocket-fizz-a-soda-and-sweets-shop-quietly-opened-in-downtown-cleveland

https://www.facebook.com/rocketfizzcleveland?fref=nf
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: JG on May 05, 2015, 06:59:39 PM
That seemed to open quickly, granted there wasn't too much needed for a build out.  Good addition to Euclid.   :clap:
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Klingaling87 on May 05, 2015, 07:27:27 PM
I went in yesterday. It was pretty legit.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MyTwoSense on May 09, 2015, 09:58:26 AM
I went in yesterday. It was pretty legit.

From those pictures it looks like a cheezie unorganized hot mess.  Unique?  Yes.  Different?  Yes.  Quirky?  Yes.  LTP for success in a transitioning downtown? TBD
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on May 15, 2015, 10:14:19 AM
The parcels on which the "Xecutive Ultra Lounge" is located on have changed hands. 

101-37-039
101-37-036

to MIGHTY SENSIBLE LLC

for $720k


So.....maybe less shootings?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on May 15, 2015, 10:47:36 AM
Xecutive Ultra Lounge was actually owned by Thomas "Tony" George although the ownership officially listed to RTN Ltd. whose principal is a relative of Tony's: Robert George. Note that the address of RTN Ltd. is the corporate address of Alfalfa Enterprises Inc., owned by Tony George. Alfalfa in turns owns other businesses, namely Harry Buffalo, a chain of restaurants. But Tony cannot own liquor licenses as he is a convicted felon (for receiving stolen property -- if I remember correctly, a group of Collinwood mobsters circa 1980 stole home appliances from a railroad boxcar and Tony got one of the stolen goods, so he was busted for receiving stolen property). Yet he is very politically connected and has reputed organized crime connections. One of his mentors in the bar business was a man named Gallo (can't remember his first name) but he was a known organized crime figure 30-40 years ago. One of the most infamous of Tony's bars was Splash, a reggae club in the Flats near the Center Street Bridge. It was shut down in 1996 by law enforcement for being a drug money laundering operation but only the attorney of record for the business, Blaise Brucato of Highland Heights, was arrested (along with a couple of low-level Jamaican drug dealers).

The new owner of Xecutive Ultra Lounge (Mighty Sensible LLC) lists to a Christopher J. Freeman and is located at PO Box 4396 Copley, OH 44321. Don't know anything about them. My concern is that this was merely a paper transfer, not an actual ownership change. While Tony George has some business interests and relatives in the Akron area, namely Philip George who owned an Akron vending-machine company that ran instant-bingo parlors that skimmed $60 million in profits that were supposed to go charities. Philip George was arrested in 2003 on organized crime charges. George also has an interest in the House of LaRose beverage distributor. The LaRose family has lived in Copley for many years. The scuttlebutt 10 years ago was that the Teamsters union local representing the House of LaRose's drivers had as its alternate treasurer Tony's wife Kristine, who reportedly worked at one of Tony's since-closed West 25th Street strip joints. She became a FP councilwoman in the early 2000s.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on May 15, 2015, 11:59:07 AM
Wow, that is super interesting!

I heard that Might Sensible LLC is a unrelated company from Stanton Island, NY.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: inlovewithCLE on May 19, 2015, 10:19:12 PM
Xecutive Ultra Lounge was actually owned by Thomas "Tony" George although the ownership officially listed to RTN Ltd. whose principal is a relative of Tony's: Robert George. Note that the address of RTN Ltd. is the corporate address of Alfalfa Enterprises Inc., owned by Tony George. Alfalfa in turns owns other businesses, namely Harry Buffalo, a chain of restaurants. But Tony cannot own liquor licenses as he is a convicted felon (for receiving stolen property -- if I remember correctly, a group of Collinwood mobsters circa 1980 stole home appliances from a railroad boxcar and Tony got one of the stolen goods, so he was busted for receiving stolen property). Yet he is very politically connected and has reputed organized crime connections. One of his mentors in the bar business was a man named Gallo (can't remember his first name) but he was a known organized crime figure 30-40 years ago. One of the most infamous of Tony's bars was Splash, a reggae club in the Flats near the Center Street Bridge. It was shut down in 1996 by law enforcement for being a drug money laundering operation but only the attorney of record for the business, Blaise Brucato of Highland Heights, was arrested (along with a couple of low-level Jamaican drug dealers).

The new owner of Xecutive Ultra Lounge (Mighty Sensible LLC) lists to a Christopher J. Freeman and is located at PO Box 4396 Copley, OH 44321. Don't know anything about them. My concern is that this was merely a paper transfer, not an actual ownership change. While Tony George has some business interests and relatives in the Akron area, namely Philip George who owned an Akron vending-machine company that ran instant-bingo parlors that skimmed $60 million in profits that were supposed to go charities. Philip George was arrested in 2003 on organized crime charges. George also has an interest in the House of LaRose beverage distributor. The LaRose family has lived in Copley for many years. The scuttlebutt 10 years ago was that the Teamsters union local representing the House of LaRose's drivers had as its alternate treasurer Tony's wife Kristine, who reportedly worked at one of Tony's since-closed West 25th Street strip joints. She became a FP councilwoman in the early 2000s.

I've done business with XL before. When I promoted a party there in 2013 TG wasn't involved. It was black owned and, from my understanding, is still black owned. (And to the one who made the "shooting" comment, I've known very little to go down there. I've been an attendee and a promoter and I rarely, if ever, hear about stuff going down at XL. Not saying it's not true, but I've never seen it and I've been there and done an event there
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on May 19, 2015, 11:26:52 PM
Xecutive Ultra Lounge was actually owned by Thomas "Tony" George although the ownership officially listed to RTN Ltd. whose principal is a relative of Tony's: Robert George. Note that the address of RTN Ltd. is the corporate address of Alfalfa Enterprises Inc., owned by Tony George. Alfalfa in turns owns other businesses, namely Harry Buffalo, a chain of restaurants. But Tony cannot own liquor licenses as he is a convicted felon (for receiving stolen property -- if I remember correctly, a group of Collinwood mobsters circa 1980 stole home appliances from a railroad boxcar and Tony got one of the stolen goods, so he was busted for receiving stolen property). Yet he is very politically connected and has reputed organized crime connections. One of his mentors in the bar business was a man named Gallo (can't remember his first name) but he was a known organized crime figure 30-40 years ago. One of the most infamous of Tony's bars was Splash, a reggae club in the Flats near the Center Street Bridge. It was shut down in 1996 by law enforcement for being a drug money laundering operation but only the attorney of record for the business, Blaise Brucato of Highland Heights, was arrested (along with a couple of low-level Jamaican drug dealers).

The new owner of Xecutive Ultra Lounge (Mighty Sensible LLC) lists to a Christopher J. Freeman and is located at PO Box 4396 Copley, OH 44321. Don't know anything about them. My concern is that this was merely a paper transfer, not an actual ownership change. While Tony George has some business interests and relatives in the Akron area, namely Philip George who owned an Akron vending-machine company that ran instant-bingo parlors that skimmed $60 million in profits that were supposed to go charities. Philip George was arrested in 2003 on organized crime charges. George also has an interest in the House of LaRose beverage distributor. The LaRose family has lived in Copley for many years. The scuttlebutt 10 years ago was that the Teamsters union local representing the House of LaRose's drivers had as its alternate treasurer Tony's wife Kristine, who reportedly worked at one of Tony's since-closed West 25th Street strip joints. She became a FP councilwoman in the early 2000s.

I've done business with XL before. When I promoted a party there in 2013 TG wasn't involved. It was black owned and, from my understanding, is still black owned. (And to the one who made the "shooting" comment, I've known very little to go down there. I've been an attendee and a promoter and I rarely, if ever, hear about stuff going down at XL. Not saying it's not true, but I've never seen it and I've been there and done an event there

You should look through the Cleveland crime thread.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: E Rocc on May 20, 2015, 07:02:44 AM
Xecutive Ultra Lounge was actually owned by Thomas "Tony" George although the ownership officially listed to RTN Ltd. whose principal is a relative of Tony's: Robert George. Note that the address of RTN Ltd. is the corporate address of Alfalfa Enterprises Inc., owned by Tony George. Alfalfa in turns owns other businesses, namely Harry Buffalo, a chain of restaurants. But Tony cannot own liquor licenses as he is a convicted felon (for receiving stolen property -- if I remember correctly, a group of Collinwood mobsters circa 1980 stole home appliances from a railroad boxcar and Tony got one of the stolen goods, so he was busted for receiving stolen property). Yet he is very politically connected and has reputed organized crime connections. One of his mentors in the bar business was a man named Gallo (can't remember his first name) but he was a known organized crime figure 30-40 years ago. One of the most infamous of Tony's bars was Splash, a reggae club in the Flats near the Center Street Bridge. It was shut down in 1996 by law enforcement for being a drug money laundering operation but only the attorney of record for the business, Blaise Brucato of Highland Heights, was arrested (along with a couple of low-level Jamaican drug dealers).

The new owner of Xecutive Ultra Lounge (Mighty Sensible LLC) lists to a Christopher J. Freeman and is located at PO Box 4396 Copley, OH 44321. Don't know anything about them. My concern is that this was merely a paper transfer, not an actual ownership change. While Tony George has some business interests and relatives in the Akron area, namely Philip George who owned an Akron vending-machine company that ran instant-bingo parlors that skimmed $60 million in profits that were supposed to go charities. Philip George was arrested in 2003 on organized crime charges. George also has an interest in the House of LaRose beverage distributor. The LaRose family has lived in Copley for many years. The scuttlebutt 10 years ago was that the Teamsters union local representing the House of LaRose's drivers had as its alternate treasurer Tony's wife Kristine, who reportedly worked at one of Tony's since-closed West 25th Street strip joints. She became a FP councilwoman in the early 2000s.

Frank LaRose, from Copley, is the State Senator for that area, including Nordonia.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on May 20, 2015, 01:48:51 PM
Frank LaRose, from Copley, is the State Senator for that area, including Nordonia.

He's a straight shooting kid. Family owns the beverage biz. Anyway...
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: E Rocc on May 20, 2015, 02:50:12 PM
Frank LaRose, from Copley, is the State Senator for that area, including Nordonia.

He's a straight shooting kid. Family owns the beverage biz. Anyway...

He's my senator and I've been happy with him.

Freeman's apparently a lawyer from Medina, offices also in Copley. 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Hts121 on May 21, 2015, 10:17:43 AM
^Freeman is likely just the statutory agent
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: inlovewithCLE on May 22, 2015, 01:46:45 AM
Xecutive Ultra Lounge was actually owned by Thomas "Tony" George although the ownership officially listed to RTN Ltd. whose principal is a relative of Tony's: Robert George. Note that the address of RTN Ltd. is the corporate address of Alfalfa Enterprises Inc., owned by Tony George. Alfalfa in turns owns other businesses, namely Harry Buffalo, a chain of restaurants. But Tony cannot own liquor licenses as he is a convicted felon (for receiving stolen property -- if I remember correctly, a group of Collinwood mobsters circa 1980 stole home appliances from a railroad boxcar and Tony got one of the stolen goods, so he was busted for receiving stolen property). Yet he is very politically connected and has reputed organized crime connections. One of his mentors in the bar business was a man named Gallo (can't remember his first name) but he was a known organized crime figure 30-40 years ago. One of the most infamous of Tony's bars was Splash, a reggae club in the Flats near the Center Street Bridge. It was shut down in 1996 by law enforcement for being a drug money laundering operation but only the attorney of record for the business, Blaise Brucato of Highland Heights, was arrested (along with a couple of low-level Jamaican drug dealers).

The new owner of Xecutive Ultra Lounge (Mighty Sensible LLC) lists to a Christopher J. Freeman and is located at PO Box 4396 Copley, OH 44321. Don't know anything about them. My concern is that this was merely a paper transfer, not an actual ownership change. While Tony George has some business interests and relatives in the Akron area, namely Philip George who owned an Akron vending-machine company that ran instant-bingo parlors that skimmed $60 million in profits that were supposed to go charities. Philip George was arrested in 2003 on organized crime charges. George also has an interest in the House of LaRose beverage distributor. The LaRose family has lived in Copley for many years. The scuttlebutt 10 years ago was that the Teamsters union local representing the House of LaRose's drivers had as its alternate treasurer Tony's wife Kristine, who reportedly worked at one of Tony's since-closed West 25th Street strip joints. She became a FP councilwoman in the early 2000s.

I've done business with XL before. When I promoted a party there in 2013 TG wasn't involved. It was black owned and, from my understanding, is still black owned. (And to the one who made the "shooting" comment, I've known very little to go down there. I've been an attendee and a promoter and I rarely, if ever, hear about stuff going down at XL. Not saying it's not true, but I've never seen it and I've been there and done an event there

You should look through the Cleveland crime thread.

Agai , I said that I'm not saying that it is not true. I'm saying that I've never seen that or heard about it during my time working with them or the times I've gone to the club as a participant
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: CLE618 on May 22, 2015, 10:04:14 AM
So how about that Gateway District...
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MuRrAy HiLL on June 10, 2015, 06:29:43 PM
United Church of Christ finds buyer for downtown Cleveland HQ, Radisson hotel

By  Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer   
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on June 10, 2015 at 4:09 PM, updated June 10, 2015 at 6:16 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The United Church of Christ has struck a deal to sell its Prospect Avenue headquarters building and the neighboring Radisson hotel.

The organization, a Protestant denomination that represents more than 5,100 congregations and 1 million members, has no plans to leave Cleveland. But the church will sell its downtown holdings to Global Management & Investments, an Atlanta-area hospitality company that plans to renovate the 142-room Radisson.

The UCC expects to lease back its nine-story headquarters building from the new owner, under a 20-year agreement.

The sales, at an undisclosed price, could occur by mid-August.

"We always intended to stay in downtown Cleveland," Lee Foley, chief administrative officer for the church, said in a news release. "We were the first major property owner in this part of Cleveland in the early 1990s. It was a very blighted area, and now it's vibrant and teeming with people."

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/06/united_church_of_christ_finds.html
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on June 10, 2015, 07:11:15 PM
I sure wish the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers had pursued a similar deal with the Standard Building -- rather than move their union headquarters to the suburbs.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on July 23, 2015, 05:25:53 PM
New thread for this?

New York Spaghetti House could be razed, as Geis plots downtown Cleveland project (photos)

CLEVELAND, Ohio – The New York Spaghetti House building, where a family-owned restaurant operated from 1927 to 2001, could be demolished and replaced by a parking lot – though bigger development plans are simmering.

An affiliate of the Geis Cos. of Streetsboro bought the dilapidated building, a chalet-style front attached to late-1800s parsonage, in late June. On Thursday, the Cleveland Landmarks Commission voted unanimously to give Geis a certificate of appropriateness for demolition, contingent on various approvals from the Cleveland City Planning Commission and the Board of Zoning Appeals.

Geis hopes to raze the 6,000-square-foot former restaurant and expand the neighboring 30-space parking lot by 35 spaces. But Brandon Kline, a senior designer for the group of real estate companies, said the cleared site eventually will be part of a broader project in downtown's Gateway District.

"We're not in the parking business," Kline told the Landmarks Commission, which has oversight of historic districts and protected buildings.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/07/new_york_spaghetti_house_could.html#incart_river
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on July 23, 2015, 09:33:12 PM
What's interesting is that Carter Manor Apartments next door is owned by the expanding local mortgage and financing company, Belleweather Enterprises, that is involved in some big projects, including the lakefront development and is expanding to the West Coast (See:
http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/06/bellwether_enterprise_a_clevel.html). My spidey sense tells me that Belleweather might be involved with Geis in something here that includes Carter Manor and perhaps more.

I'd prefer they develop the parking lot across East 9th Street, however. Maybe someday.....
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: StapHanger on July 23, 2015, 10:17:07 PM
^I think Carter Manor re-upped its HUD mortgage or project-based Section 8 fairly recently, so I doubt that's in play anytime soon.

I hope there's something real to Geis's plan, but isn't there some law that requires applicants to say they are planning to redevelop a site in order to get a demo permit downtown?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on July 23, 2015, 10:31:25 PM
I'm wrong -- the Carter Manor/Winton Manor property is owned by the Ferchill Group. http://www.rejournals.com/2015/03/18/bellwether-enterprise-real-estate-capital-closes-12-million-loan-for-winton-manor-in-cleveland/

Bellweather has the loan and is the recipient of all tax mailings....

PRIMARY OWNER   CARTER MANOR APARTMENTS LIMITED PARTNERSHIP   
PROPERTY ADDRESS   1012 Prospect AVE, Cleveland, OH 44115
TAX MAILING ADDRESS   BELLWETHER ENTERPRISE, 1360 E 9TH ST, SUITE 300, CLEVELAND, OH 44114
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on July 24, 2015, 02:45:09 PM
The City law does NOT allow demo in downtown for parking UNLESS a redevelopment plan is submitted.  Then it is a temporary 1 year permit.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Mendo on July 24, 2015, 04:16:48 PM
The City law does NOT allow demo in downtown for parking UNLESS a redevelopment plan is submitted.  Then it is a temporary 1 year permit.

Evidently they are more like guidelines. The CPC approved the demolition request with no development plan and a 5 year parking permit. All Geis needed was the ol' wink and gun. Don't worry we're not in the parking business (except for the garages we already own).

I don't doubt Geis has bigger plans for this corner and two story adjacent garage. I do question the implication from mjarboe this will be any legitimate time before the 5 year permit expires.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on August 14, 2015, 07:10:06 PM
Proposed parking lot at NY Spaghetti House.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on August 27, 2015, 05:40:03 PM
Gateway enough for me...

I'm gonna kinda miss the smokestack.  It's always stood out to me as a kid.

Canadians buy Cleveland Thermal, will demolish downtown coal plant

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Major improvements are coming to Cleveland Thermal, including the demolition of the coal-fired steam plant in the Flats just blocks from Public Square.

The Corix Group, a privately held company owned by the BC Investment Management Corporation, said Thursday that it had "finalized" an agreement with Cleveland Thermal to buy the company and expected to close the deal by Sept. 30.  Terms were not disclosed.

Cleveland City Council approved the sale in July and authorized the transfer of Cleveland Thermal's 25-year franchise to Corix after hearing that the sale would assist the company with its transition from coal to natural gas.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/08/canadians_buy_cleveland_therma.html#incart_river
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: StapHanger on August 27, 2015, 05:57:03 PM
^Oh man, I'm with you. Would have been an interesting building to repurpose. I wonder what will become of that site after demo.

Also, I wonder what this means for the railroad tracks that were used to bring the coal in. @KJP, do you know what's in store for that ROW?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mrclifton88 on August 27, 2015, 07:05:21 PM
I'm not fully visualizing where this is. Is this the building you pass on the Rapid coming into Tower City?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MayDay on August 27, 2015, 07:21:14 PM
^Stand on the Lorain-Carnegie bridge, toward the eastern Guardians and look north. That smokestack that gets in the way of many a potentially good shot of Public Square's "Big 3" - that's the plant.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: pgn711 on August 27, 2015, 07:37:34 PM
^Stand on the Lorain-Carnegie bridge, toward the eastern Guardians and look north. That smokestack that gets in the way of many a potentially good shot of Public Square's "Big 3" - that's the plant.

Is this the smokestack they are referring to?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: clvlndr on August 27, 2015, 08:28:04 PM
I'm not fully visualizing where this is. Is this the building you pass on the Rapid coming into Tower City?

Yes it is.  As a kid, my dad always said he noted the smokestack before the Rapid dives into that long ramp/tunnel into Tower City.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on August 27, 2015, 10:32:31 PM
Gateway enough for me...

I'm gonna kinda miss the smokestack.  It's always stood out to me as a kid.

Canadians buy Cleveland Thermal, will demolish downtown coal plant

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Major improvements are coming to Cleveland Thermal, including the demolition of the coal-fired steam plant in the Flats just blocks from Public Square.

The Corix Group, a privately held company owned by the BC Investment Management Corporation, said Thursday that it had "finalized" an agreement with Cleveland Thermal to buy the company and expected to close the deal by Sept. 30.  Terms were not disclosed.

Cleveland City Council approved the sale in July and authorized the transfer of Cleveland Thermal's 25-year franchise to Corix after hearing that the sale would assist the company with its transition from coal to natural gas.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/08/canadians_buy_cleveland_therma.html#incart_river

No plans that I'm aware of. That's the CSX-owned tracks Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad wanted to use to extend their service to Tower City Center.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: clevezip on August 28, 2015, 12:41:38 AM
I remember when I was a kid and we moved to Cleveland; Gateway was being built and they modeled the light towers at the baseball stadium from this particular smoke stack. (useless info)   I am now old!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MuRrAy HiLL on August 28, 2015, 12:47:54 AM
Can the smokestack be removed and be placed somewhere else?  Essentially an urban art nod to Cleveland's hertitage?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: musky on August 28, 2015, 08:12:14 AM
Am I the only person who remembers there being three smokestacks?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on August 28, 2015, 09:02:37 AM
No, you're right. There were actually many more than three.

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8738/17070745482_858cbb7093_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/s1u2TY)Cleveland Eagle Avenue-c1928-L (https://flic.kr/p/s1u2TY) by Ken Prendergast (https://www.flickr.com/photos/95438020@N07/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: musky on August 28, 2015, 09:41:23 AM
Now that I do not recall at all. You can see in the pics where the previous two were located. Where were the additional stacks?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Firenze98 on August 28, 2015, 09:47:35 AM
Now that I do not recall at all. You can see in the pics where the previous two were located. Where were the additional stacks?

Looks like maybe a portion of that building was demolished, which had all those smaller stacks?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: clvlndr on August 28, 2015, 10:45:29 AM
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Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Urbanophile on August 28, 2015, 10:59:00 AM
No, you're right. There were actually many more than three.

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8738/17070745482_858cbb7093_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/s1u2TY)Cleveland Eagle Avenue-c1928-L (https://flic.kr/p/s1u2TY) by Ken Prendergast (https://www.flickr.com/photos/95438020@N07/), on Flickr

This photo makes me sad.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: musky on August 28, 2015, 11:28:53 AM
^Ahhhh, yes. I see now.
Well, as that was from 1922, that wouild explain why I do not recall seeing more than three stacks.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: JG on September 01, 2015, 10:04:16 PM
^ Would have been neat if the Sheriff St Market could have been attached to the Q as a hotel or something (if it wasn't torn down).  That was a neat looking building.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: pgn711 on October 14, 2015, 05:43:29 PM
So I am getting a new neighbor apparently...Buffalo Wild Wings or BW3 is moving in next door where the former RJ Bolands stood, next to City Tap. It will be interesting to see what another sports bar does to the existing bars (clevelander, city tap, paninis, harry buffalo, and the few smaller ones). But still good to see that someone is finally moving into that space which has been empty for 4-5 years. They aren't expecting to open until early next year. It also explains the facade work they are doing on the Huron side of the building. Haven't seen any formal announcements yet.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on October 14, 2015, 06:04:34 PM
So I am getting a new neighbor apparently...Buffalo Wild Wings or BW3 is moving in next door where the former RJ Bolands stood, next to City Tap. It will be interesting to see what another sports bar does to the existing bars (clevelander, city tap, paninis, harry buffalo, and the few smaller ones). But still good to see that someone is finally moving into that space which has been empty for 4-5 years. They aren't expecting to open until early next year. It also explains the facade work they are doing on the Huron side of the building. Haven't seen any formal announcements yet.

Well at least BW-3 BW-2 should provide some stability to that cursed space. Took my dad to the San Diego location  this year and noticed their food quality was much upgraded from prior years.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: PoshSteve on October 14, 2015, 06:10:00 PM
Awesome! Buffalo Wild Wings is one of the places I've really been missing since I moved downtown. So excited! That building seems pretty tiny though, and they usually have pretty large locations, might it include the building next door too?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: McLovin on October 14, 2015, 06:14:43 PM
More national names downtown =  :clap:
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: lewarctj on October 14, 2015, 06:43:55 PM
That building is two levels
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: pgn711 on October 14, 2015, 08:44:25 PM
That building is two levels

Not sure if they plan on using both floors or not, but I know there was an issue with the previous building owner (who also owned my building). He refused to lease out the two floors separately. If someone planned to move into the ground floor, they were responsible for also paying for rent for the top floor whether or not they planned on using the space. Fortunately, the set of buildings was sold last fall (including the building that houses winking lizard) and maybe thats why BW3 finally agreed to sign the lease. But the restaurant is the width of both buildings.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on October 24, 2015, 10:54:00 PM
Prime Gateway Spot Claimed by BW3
http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2015/10/22/prime-gateway-spot-claimed-by-bw3
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Firenze98 on November 05, 2015, 10:17:01 AM
Michelle Jarboe ‏@mjarboe  · 23m23 minutes ago 
Geis Cos. expects to remake two-story Howell Building at 921 Huron into Wild Eagle Saloon - bar, indoor bocce, vintage games, shuffleboard.

Michelle Jarboe ‏@mjarboe  · 14m14 minutes ago 
Geis seeing some design pushback re: plans for two levels of balconies on facade of Howell Bldg in downtown #CLE.

Are they going for Punch Bowl Social lite?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on November 05, 2015, 10:21:34 AM
More from @mjarboe:
Renderings of proposed facade redo of Howell Building on Huron Rd in downtown #CLE. (Trying to get hi-res versions.) https://t.co/cu8pLTerbs
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: TPH2 on November 05, 2015, 10:23:23 AM
In this day and age, who would think that this is a good idea?

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-P3AEwnHpXS8/Vjt1M9I8jVI/AAAAAAAAGhQ/3Z_oHEFrT4M/s600-Ic42/CTDqTu5UwAAilwj.jpg)

(Image from @mjarboe)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: StapHanger on November 05, 2015, 10:24:56 AM
I'm happy Geis is able to get stuff done, but my aesthetic and style preferences could not be any further from theirs. That thing* looks ridiculous. And since it is a substantial encumbrance on a public right of way, I'd have no problem just saying no. 

*Edit: I meant the balconies when I wrote that, but that sign, oh my.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: andrew0816 on November 05, 2015, 11:01:07 AM
Michelle Jarboe ‏@mjarboe  46m46 minutes ago
Renderings of proposed facade redo of Howell Building on Huron Rd in downtown #CLE. (Trying to get hi-res versions.)  (https://twitter.com/mjarboe/status/662288364205273089)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTDrwcRUcAAfYep.jpg)

Wow, that's...something. Sometimes I wish Geis did not do in-house design work.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on November 05, 2015, 11:07:00 AM
More from @mjarboe:
Renderings of proposed facade redo of Howell Building on Huron Rd in downtown #CLE. (Trying to get hi-res versions.) https://t.co/cu8pLTerbs

Is that balcony "Cleveland Brown" orange?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: gotribe on November 05, 2015, 11:07:57 AM
This is such a nice building.  Something fit for a boutique law firm or the likes.  Definitely not this.  Even a single family residence would be a better fit here. 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: YO to the CLE on November 05, 2015, 11:37:28 AM
I am surprisingly not completely against it. I think it looks very Bourbon Streetish and is unique to Cleveland. Plus the way the road bends there, it will offer really good views of a cool little intersection. Yeah the building is historic, but I personally don't find it to be all that extravagant. Just my opinion
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Urbanophile on November 05, 2015, 11:39:23 AM
^^ Or just the same proposed use, but without the terrible balcony.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: gotribe on November 05, 2015, 11:58:01 AM
The concept dosent fit the area, IMHO.  I think this is something the WH district could use, to infuse some new life, but not here.  It's not necessarily the design I'm hung up on.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: inlovewithCLE on November 08, 2015, 09:40:47 AM
I'm not opposed to it. Yeah the sign is gaudy but I think we need more gaudy lol
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: McLovin on November 08, 2015, 11:34:45 AM
Is it not possible for a rooftop patio? Like green house tavern or Red Steakhouse? If the business is going to be there I think this is a great option if possible.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: TPH2 on November 19, 2015, 02:47:22 PM
Geis has toned down the plans for Wild Eagle a bit. Still not a fan of the sign:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MOf_tr89PXk/Vk4n6FEhFRI/AAAAAAAAGjM/N6ngEPIPrrk/s720-Ic42/Wild_Eagle_10.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bbLgjvxk29c/Vk4n5yXv6RI/AAAAAAAAGjI/WgK6Oet7HmQ/s720-Ic42/Wild_Eagle_11.jpg)

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/11202015/index.php
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Urbanophile on November 19, 2015, 03:20:36 PM
^ That's much less terrible. Still not great, but a major improvement on the previous plan.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on November 23, 2015, 11:18:47 AM
Resurgent apartment market resurrects Cleveland building (With photo gallery)

"Demand for Southworth’s rentals is such that Rich Cicerchi, whose Cicerchi Development Corp. of Cleveland owns the building through an affiliate, said prospective tenants will start moving in Dec. 1 although construction will be incomplete. Construction workers will be finishing the job on a floor-by-floor basis through early next year."

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20151123/RENEWSLETTER/151129931/resurgent-apartment-market-resurrects-cleveland-building-with-photo#utm_medium=email&utm_source=ccl-realestatereport&utm_campaign=ccl-realestatereport-20151123
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on November 23, 2015, 01:36:45 PM
Cool project!  Love seeing small buildings restored!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on December 16, 2015, 05:24:33 PM
Work being done on 811 prospect where a new Moxie is proposed to open.

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a62/Randigo/IMG_3634_zpsz2fagyzd.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Randigo/media/IMG_3634_zpsz2fagyzd.jpg.html)

See ya New York Spaghetti House

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a62/Randigo/IMG_3637_zpsoztwftzb.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Randigo/media/IMG_3637_zpsoztwftzb.jpg.html)

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a62/Randigo/IMG_3636_zpsrgtahap9.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Randigo/media/IMG_3636_zpsrgtahap9.jpg.html)

This is where the old Tops and Bottoms strip club was.  It was closed down after a shooting in 2013.  Not sure how old the sign is.

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a62/Randigo/IMG_3638_zps0m4l7eaq.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Randigo/media/IMG_3638_zps0m4l7eaq.jpg.html)

I think this is the buildout of the BW3s.

Ontario side:
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a62/Randigo/IMG_3641_zpsqhjjrvk3.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Randigo/media/IMG_3641_zpsqhjjrvk3.jpg.html)

Prospect side:
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a62/Randigo/IMG_3643_zpsaj8dkgis.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Randigo/media/IMG_3643_zpsaj8dkgis.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: cle25 on December 16, 2015, 10:22:47 PM
^^^^What is going in place of the New York Spaghetti House?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mrclifton88 on December 16, 2015, 10:32:43 PM

^^^^What is going in place of the New York Spaghetti House?

A parking lot. [emoji19] but supposedly a temporary one. Geis has or will be planning a larger development for the site. I believe
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: TPH2 on December 16, 2015, 10:33:08 PM
^^^^What is going in place of the New York Spaghetti House?

IIRC, a parking lot. Apparently Geis has plans to build on the spot, but it seems to be a few years off.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: yanni_gogolak on December 17, 2015, 09:02:10 AM
Can someone point me to an area that explains the process for demolition and future use?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on December 17, 2015, 11:20:50 AM
Cleveland Scene ‏@Cleveland_Scene  7s7 seconds ago
24 Photos from the New York Spaghetti House Demolition via @MannyWallace
http://photos.clevescene.com/24-photos-from-the-new-york-spaghetti-house-demolition/
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on January 12, 2016, 11:26:59 AM
"The Downtown Cleveland Residents Association invites you to join neighbors and Downtown stakeholders for a public meeting regarding the proposed design of the Wild Eagle Saloon project located at 921 Huron Road (Huron and Prospect). We will discuss the current design of the Wild Eagle Saloon and collect your input and feedback.

In addition, the DCRA will explain how we introduce Downtown resident opinion into the Cleveland City Planning Commission's design review process and how that affects development projects in our downtown neighborhood."

WHEN: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM

WHERE
The Clevelander Bar & Grill - 834 Huron Road
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on January 14, 2016, 02:06:12 PM
Medical Mutual HQ loan in trouble. Insurer, meanwhile, eyes real estate options:
http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/01/medical_mutual_hq_mortgage_in.html#comments
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Urbanophile on January 14, 2016, 02:22:05 PM
^ At least two commenters are saying that there is chatter about Medical Mutual consolidating and building new at the Flats East Bank. No idea how reliable that is though.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mrclifton88 on January 14, 2016, 03:33:23 PM
It would be kinda nice to have all that bottom floor be retail!  Right now its just basically walled off.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Firenze98 on January 14, 2016, 04:43:48 PM
Or Medical Mutual becomes part of a mixed use tower on the Public Square Jacob's lot.......
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on January 14, 2016, 06:59:48 PM
Or Medical Mutual becomes part of a mixed use tower on the Public Square Jacob's lot.......

Here's my assessment of what that could involve, space-wise....
http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,14285.msg786349.html#msg786349
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: flee2thecleve14 on February 01, 2016, 12:35:04 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/wild_eagle_saloon_minus_contro.html#incart_river_home (http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/wild_eagle_saloon_minus_contro.html#incart_river_home)

Glad to see the Indian chief head was removed from the Wild Eagle Saloon sign. It also would have been ridiculed by RNC national/international media. Also good news that they scrapped the two story patio on the face of the building. Indoor bocce courts seem promising.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on February 01, 2016, 01:15:47 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/wild_eagle_saloon_minus_contro.html#incart_river_home (http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/wild_eagle_saloon_minus_contro.html#incart_river_home)

Glad to see the Indian chief head was removed from the Wild Eagle Saloon sign. It also would have been ridiculed by RNC national/international media. Also good news that they scrapped the two story patio on the face of the building. Indoor bocce courts seem promising.

Also glad to  see they stopped short of the mechanical bull!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: roman totale XVII on February 01, 2016, 02:02:41 PM
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm struggling to see how this place will do well.

Firstly, "We realized that there was not only a void in the downtown market for a drinking hole to cool down after long days of work but also there was not a fun lunch spot with good, affordable food for us to have a break in the day."  Really?!?  :wtf:

Secondly is the fit for PHS. I'm not sure the theater crowd, or the affluent yoga pants crowd next door at Restore who are paying $10 for a smoothie and bit of peace and quiet on the iMac*, are looking forward to what seems like a little piece of Spring Break Put In Bay right next door.

But, I'm not a millionaire property developer, so what do I know!

* I love Restore, just a some good-natured hyperbole to make my point!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: flee2thecleve14 on February 01, 2016, 02:06:01 PM
^As a downtown resident, I don't see myself frequenting the place either. I was surprised to see them talk about a lack of affordable, cheap dive bars in the area - don't the Clevelander, Panini's, and Thirsty Parrot already cater to that?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: StapHanger on February 01, 2016, 02:06:48 PM
^^Am I bad person if I hope you're right? This place sounds unbearable to me. No skin off my back as long as its awfulness is contained within, but selfishly I hope for something a little less Corporate-Casual-Cheeseball.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: E Rocc on February 01, 2016, 02:56:59 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/wild_eagle_saloon_minus_contro.html#incart_river_home (http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/wild_eagle_saloon_minus_contro.html#incart_river_home)

Glad to see the Indian chief head was removed from the Wild Eagle Saloon sign. It also would have been ridiculed by RNC national/international media.

Really?   Damn, have skins gotten thin.   There's nothing remotely offensive about that sign, indeed it's pretty much historically accurate.

Sometimes I wish I was an Irishman, I could build a cottage industry out of claiming leprechaun logos are "offensive".

Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Urbanophile on February 01, 2016, 03:40:30 PM
Regardless of whether people think it's offensive or not, I think the Indian chief head looked really tacky so I'm glad it's gone.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jeremyck01 on February 01, 2016, 04:42:39 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/wild_eagle_saloon_minus_contro.html#incart_river_home (http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/wild_eagle_saloon_minus_contro.html#incart_river_home)

Glad to see the Indian chief head was removed from the Wild Eagle Saloon sign. It also would have been ridiculed by RNC national/international media. Also good news that they scrapped the two story patio on the face of the building. Indoor bocce courts seem promising.

I seriously doubt the media would have even noticed. There will be enough to ridicule inside the RNC convention already.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: punch on February 01, 2016, 05:15:28 PM
The concept / menu is a bit of a headscratcher...but good luck to them
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: clvlndr on February 01, 2016, 06:28:38 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/wild_eagle_saloon_minus_contro.html#incart_river_home (http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/wild_eagle_saloon_minus_contro.html#incart_river_home)

Glad to see the Indian chief head was removed from the Wild Eagle Saloon sign. It also would have been ridiculed by RNC national/international media.

Really?   Damn, have skins gotten thin.   There's nothing remotely offensive about that sign, indeed it's pretty much historically accurate.

Sometimes I wish I was an Irishman, I could build a cottage industry out of claiming leprechaun logos are "offensive".



I can definitely see how the caricature of a Native American head in full headdress in a bright red color over the title "Wild Eagle" would be offensive.  Many white people don't seem to understand that it's the history of bigotry and ethnic destruction of an ethnic or racial minority that makes the stereotyping by the dominant society all the more repugnant.  Btw Native Americans are rarely actually red in color but usually vary from shades of brown to tan or yellow (some are even white); not sure where the "red" stereotype came from. 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: down4cle on February 01, 2016, 11:30:42 PM
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Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: down4cle on February 01, 2016, 11:32:28 PM

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/wild_eagle_saloon_minus_contro.html#incart_river_home (http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/wild_eagle_saloon_minus_contro.html#incart_river_home)

Glad to see the Indian chief head was removed from the Wild Eagle Saloon sign. It also would have been ridiculed by RNC national/international media.

Really?   Damn, have skins gotten thin.   There's nothing remotely offensive about that sign, indeed it's pretty much historically accurate.

Sometimes I wish I was an Irishman, I could build a cottage industry out of claiming leprechaun logos are "offensive".




except that leprechauns are a part of folklore and Indians are real people.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: X on February 01, 2016, 11:52:59 PM
Stop.  Stop.  Just stop.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: math on February 02, 2016, 06:57:02 AM
It might have been an acceptable appropriation if it somehow depicted a tribe from the Great Lakes. Instead most logos use the idea of a plains Indian wearing a warbonnet as a stylistic pointer to authenticity, likely stolen in this case from the Indian Motorcycle Company and baby boomer nostalgia of cowboy and indians movies of the 1950s. It's trite and predictable. And I am glad it's gone. Now where are all the suburban nimrods going to park when they drive in to check this shitshow out?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: yanni_gogolak on February 02, 2016, 09:41:17 AM
The concept / menu is a bit of a headscratcher...but good luck to them

Where do you see their menu?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: punch on February 02, 2016, 11:02:26 AM
^Details of the food offerings were in the article
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Urbanophile on February 02, 2016, 12:28:08 PM
This Wild Eagle Saloon sounds like it should actually be in the Flats East Bank.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: yanni_gogolak on February 02, 2016, 12:29:46 PM
^Details of the food offerings were in the article

Fried chicken and food on a stick? Just a few items, not a menu.
I'm more surprised someone would want to brand themselves with this: "...and self-serve beer dispensers billed as "inebriation stations.""
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Firenze98 on February 02, 2016, 01:10:52 PM
This Wild Eagle Saloon sounds like it should actually be in the Flats East Bank.

Or Macedonia, Independence, Lakewood, Mayfield.  But as Geis said, there isn't this type of establishment downtown so maybe it will do well.  Oh wait isn't Punchbowl the same concept but on steroids?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: ML11 on February 02, 2016, 01:30:45 PM
The place doesn't sound like my favorite concept, but I guess it only has to offer a little more to the surrounding work crowd + pre/post-game sports crowd than the existing mediocre stretch of bars in Gateway to be a success. That's a fairly modest goal though, so I'm sure they're hoping for more than that.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on February 02, 2016, 04:38:05 PM
I'm more surprised someone would want to brand themselves with this: "...and self-serve beer dispensers billed as "inebriation stations.""

I don't say this word a lot, but that is very douchey.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Clevecane on February 02, 2016, 06:47:54 PM
I will say there is an underwhelming quantity of bars with darts and shuffleboard and the like. And bocce is a great add to the downtown scene. That being said, this doesn't seem like the most millennial-friendly concept. Should've gone with chic-y sports bar over quasi-racist western. C'est la vie, something's better than nothing?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: CbusTransit on February 02, 2016, 07:40:17 PM
I will rarely if ever enter this bar, but I love that its going here. The intersection of prospect and E 9th could become its own themed subdistrict with all the investment happening at the intersection. Much like playhouse square or the flats east bank or east 4th street, this intersection is getting its own character. And it is largely consisting of sports bars and restaurants. BW3 is going to open, paninis, clevelander, winking lizard, City tap, thirsty parrot. This is our arena district. Cheers formerly-racist-turned-just-confused-western-concept-bar-poorly-placed-in-a-neoclassical-building, welcome to the neighborhood.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: yanni_gogolak on February 03, 2016, 02:29:23 PM
I'm more surprised someone would want to brand themselves with this: "...and self-serve beer dispensers billed as "inebriation stations.""

I don't say this word a lot, but that is very douchey.
I wonder if the "Money Man" had a hand in these amenities. He is a club owner now after all.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on February 26, 2016, 06:27:38 PM
Work being done on 811 prospect where a new Moxie is proposed to open.

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a62/Randigo/IMG_3634_zpsz2fagyzd.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Randigo/media/IMG_3634_zpsz2fagyzd.jpg.html)


I see that exterior work has started on Moxie and closed the sidewalk on Prospect. Glad to see the progess. Walked by that sad, unfinished building many times via the alley when my office was in the City Club Building.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: fishface on March 02, 2016, 11:40:28 AM
So, Wild Eagle may have removed the Chief head from their signage plans, but are still proudly displaying the (maybe not racist to the white man but still unnecessary cultural appropriation) logo on the gigantic electronic billboard signs for the 9. Any idea who to complain to about this?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on March 02, 2016, 12:34:17 PM
Is Moxie still going to open there?  Or is this construction something else???
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: eyehrtfood on March 02, 2016, 12:52:42 PM
Is Moxie still going to open there?  Or is this construction something else???

The last word from Moxie folks, I thought, was that a new lower priced concept of theirs (not a "Moxie") was going in that spot. Hopefully this is that.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: E Rocc on March 03, 2016, 08:06:38 AM
So, Wild Eagle may have removed the Chief head from their signage plans, but are still proudly displaying the (maybe not racist to the white man but still unnecessary cultural appropriation) logo on the gigantic electronic billboard signs for the 9. Any idea who to complain to about this?

No one who is going to care.   The very term "cultural appropriation" has lately become a term of mockery among those to the right of Hillary Clinton.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Firenze98 on March 03, 2016, 08:36:20 AM
Is Moxie still going to open there?  Or is this construction something else???

Something else.  Moxie is on Prospect west of E. 9th.  Wild Eagle is east of E. 9th on Huron.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Floods7 on March 03, 2016, 10:44:51 AM
So, Wild Eagle may have removed the Chief head from their signage plans, but are still proudly displaying the (maybe not racist to the white man but still unnecessary cultural appropriation) logo on the gigantic electronic billboard signs for the 9. Any idea who to complain to about this?

No one who is going to care.   The very term "cultural appropriation" has lately become a term of mockery among those to the right of Hillary Clinton.

Couldn't have said it any better.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on March 03, 2016, 11:28:02 AM
So, Wild Eagle may have removed the Chief head from their signage plans, but are still proudly displaying the (maybe not racist to the white man but still unnecessary cultural appropriation) logo on the gigantic electronic billboard signs for the 9. Any idea who to complain to about this?

I'd comment here: https://www.facebook.com/wildeaglecleveland/?hc_location=ufi

p.s. their motto is "eat, drink, inebriate." stay classy Cleveland 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: yanni_gogolak on March 03, 2016, 12:30:08 PM
So, Wild Eagle may have removed the Chief head from their signage plans, but are still proudly displaying the (maybe not racist to the white man but still unnecessary cultural appropriation) logo on the gigantic electronic billboard signs for the 9. Any idea who to complain to about this?

I'd comment here: https://www.facebook.com/wildeaglecleveland/?hc_location=ufi

p.s. their motto is "eat, drink, inebriate." stay classy Cleveland 
Wow, the "substance", or lack there of, is aimed at chili cheese fries and getting blacked out. I hope they hire reliable security.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on March 03, 2016, 12:32:23 PM
So, Wild Eagle may have removed the Chief head from their signage plans, but are still proudly displaying the (maybe not racist to the white man but still unnecessary cultural appropriation) logo on the gigantic electronic billboard signs for the 9. Any idea who to complain to about this?

I'd comment here: https://www.facebook.com/wildeaglecleveland/?hc_location=ufi

p.s. their motto is "eat, drink, inebriate." stay classy Cleveland 
Wow, the "substance", or lack there of, is aimed at chili cheese fries and getting blacked out. I hope they hire reliable security.

It's disconcerting. Like they're going out of their way to create a "punch palace."
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: punch on March 03, 2016, 12:35:58 PM
^they should change the name to "Bro-mecca" that way they can also offend people of Islamic faith
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: roman totale XVII on March 03, 2016, 01:44:33 PM
Walked past at lunchtime and there was an 'INEBRIATION STATION' neon sign sat on the sidewalk, waiting for installation.... Quality...
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Clueless,Ohio on March 03, 2016, 08:37:34 PM

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2015/11/06/details-emerge-on-red-based-restaurant-to-open-on-prospect-avenue
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on March 04, 2016, 10:47:38 AM
Cool, I will definitely go to 811 Prospect!

And I will definitely avoid the 'INEBRIATION STATION' fraternity house.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: fishface on March 04, 2016, 11:22:31 AM
RE: Moxie on Prospect, there used to be signs saying Moxie coming soon, those have all come down, leaving the door open for the owners to introduce whatever other concept they want
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on March 15, 2016, 11:22:53 AM
The 'Q' is getting some type of rooftop signage/digital board. I always liked the rooftop branding on the top of arenas, think 'Staples Center'. No renderings yet.

QUICKEN LOANS ARENA ROOF SIGNAGE
Address:   1 Center Court
Company:   Robert P. Madison International, Inc.
Architect:   SHop Architects, PC
Description:   A new digitial (changeable copy) signage on the roof of the Quicken Loans Arena.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: w28th on March 15, 2016, 12:01:39 PM
Interesting to see SHoP as the architect for just a rooftop signage project...
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: simplythis on March 15, 2016, 12:13:58 PM
Mabel's opening announced. http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/michael-symon-reveals-opening-date-for-new-restaurant-mabels-bbq
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on March 15, 2016, 12:14:29 PM
Yes I  thought that also. It makes me wonder if they are involved in the rumored 'behind the scenes' rehab of The Q. Which would be exciting.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on March 15, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
Interesting to see SHoP as the architect for just a rooftop signage project...

Definitely. I didn't think they did small projects. They're one of the leading architects on Philadelphia's $3.5 billion Schuylkill Yards development.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on March 15, 2016, 12:46:30 PM
After a little research looks like Dan Gilbert and SHop are involved in a couple of proposed projects in Detroit. So it looks like there is a relationship.

Edit: One last point on the rehab of the 'Q' . When it was first made public in late '14 that a proposal was being put together to present to the county for the rehab it was rumored that a very glassy facade was the look that was being discussed for the 'Q'. So this is just speculation on my part but SHop has done this before.  Forest City brought in SHop to jazz up the exterior of the Barclay Center after the early renderings from Ellerby Becket were disappointing. So SHop was brought in as the Facade Architect. So maybe something is in the works.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on March 15, 2016, 05:17:40 PM
Very interesting, freethink!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: yanni_gogolak on March 15, 2016, 06:18:40 PM
Yes, this has me very intrigued.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on March 17, 2016, 08:26:00 PM
Plans for Quicken Loans Arena roof revamp include giant (360'-by-90') LED sign: https://t.co/oy0pgm3uyU

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdxpzftUkAAOLxK.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: PoshSteve on March 17, 2016, 08:54:57 PM
Based on the slideshow photos on Cleveland.com, I have to say they were VERY thorough in their proposal to show that no new signage at all would be visible from just about every single street in the city lol
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Loretto on March 17, 2016, 10:36:27 PM
I think lighting up a whole big rectangle looks pretty tacky, and not in any way creative use of LEDs. Then they show us a whole bunch of pictures of roof signage that all look 10x better. Way to sell it.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: BCCLE1 on March 18, 2016, 10:10:07 AM
Can one imagine looking down from one's 50th floor apt/condo from Nucleus and seeing Dan Gilbert trying to sell you a loan. I would not want this. But then maybe Dan has another idea about his roof-top LED sign. Maybe those living in the Nucleus could rent the sign as needed to say "Happy Birthday", "Happy Anniversary", etc, to their loved one for a price. Can one imagine how happy their love one would be seeing their name in such splendor. I know the Terminal Tower takes request from individuals/corporations for lighting up the top of the TC.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on March 18, 2016, 10:10:23 AM
Regarding the roof sign on the 'Q' . To me it's upside down.  When a blimp/copter/drone flies over for a shot they would approach from the North to view the sign,  totally missing a shot of the skyline/lake in the background. The best shot would be to approach from the south coming toward the city with a view of the 'Q' and the city/lake in the background.  And yes I was also hoping for something like the  StaplesCenter/AT&T sign. Or something like this...
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Enginerd on March 18, 2016, 11:03:25 AM
According to the Plain Dealer article, the picture would be static, with the name of the company and maybe a logo. But that's it.

I hate to be that guy, but this is prohibited in the city. The cavs say they get no extra money from doing this (obviously Dan will get some free pub). So why let them?

Edit: spelling
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: 327 on March 18, 2016, 11:50:57 AM
Why do we have anti-signage laws?  Signage is part of commerce.  We like commerce, don't we?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on March 18, 2016, 02:09:11 PM
Why do we have anti-signage laws?  Signage is part of commerce.  We like commerce, don't we?

I love seeing vintage pics of Cleveland and Akron with all the commercial signage. I don't see the point in an outright limitation.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on March 21, 2016, 01:28:37 PM
http://www.wildeagle.com
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: TPH2 on March 22, 2016, 11:23:12 PM
Damn, this project is moving fast.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RNCMjCdAG4o/VvIM2gcauwI/AAAAAAAAHL0/pmNwLUDuZ7EqOheMo89sz8FsaWt7VSW_ACCo/s640-Ic42/IMG_3443.JPG)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1NVzjGe5QjI/VvIOlQzdzQI/AAAAAAAAHL8/-FfDkpiD0NQNKQGq5Q2wM77IY1iLVF92wCCo/s512-Ic42/IMG_3441.JPG)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-sSP6a0oZcIc/VvIOmfzK4VI/AAAAAAAAHMA/3PNxoNfavI4IrWaNCxGBLwLo5xfYPb5dQCCo/s512-Ic42/IMG_3442.JPG)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: audidave on March 22, 2016, 11:39:04 PM
I wonder if this is the kind of place Jack would hang out at before and after gambling...
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on March 22, 2016, 11:47:00 PM
Jack, that rascal.  I could see him popping by the inebriation station.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Firenze98 on March 23, 2016, 09:06:59 AM
It's interesting how there was such a stink about the Indian head on the exterior sign, yet it still shows up as an etching or whatever in the glass doors.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: StapHanger on March 23, 2016, 09:18:42 AM
Oh my god that web site.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: TPH2 on March 26, 2016, 10:55:14 AM
The "mischief" begins this Wednesday

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vl11Mun_RNA/VvakliEvCdI/AAAAAAAAHMk/rwToqGLZ7-09eLc_CeByJW_Z5LYVoPxjgCCo/s512-Ic42/IMG_3465.JPG)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Husat77 on March 28, 2016, 09:35:50 PM
Not my style, but hopefully it will draw the "inebriation station" types away from the other bars.  Keep them in their playpen. 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: math on March 29, 2016, 06:36:08 AM
Hopefully it will fail in a year and the damage to the building can be undone.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Urbanophile on March 29, 2016, 09:27:02 AM
Hopefully it will fail in a year and the damage to the building can be undone.
Oh come on. The sign is tacky and the clientele will be insufferable but the building is fine. I'm not praying for it to fail because this city already has plenty of empty storefronts, and it's not like this is on Euclid or E. 4th.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: ink on March 29, 2016, 09:35:36 AM
The sign would have looked less tacky if the chief head had not been blocked. Now there is no signature element.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: clvlndr on March 29, 2016, 09:51:31 AM
I welcome any new establishment in downtown Cle, but Wild Eagle just doesn't seem to be a good fit for this location between Gateway and PHS.  Maybe if it were kitty-corner across the 5-points intersection next to the Clevelander and the other drinking joints.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: punch on March 29, 2016, 06:02:01 PM
The sign would have looked less tacky if the chief head had not been blocked. Now there is no signature element.
Or maybe the logo could have been something like an eagle or something...
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: TPH2 on March 29, 2016, 08:01:17 PM
A lot of people hating on the Wild Eagle Saloon, but damn, look at this menu. I wish I didn't live right across the street...I'm going to gain 10 pounds

http://media.wix.com/ugd/e8de6d_870873bb4aa244a98fa9738bc7e1d83e.pdf
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Clueless,Ohio on March 29, 2016, 08:07:11 PM

i wish theyd get rid of the Tremont leg lamps in all 3 windows of the second floor.
thats the only thing that galls me
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: JG on March 29, 2016, 08:57:16 PM
Lots of hate for a place that has yet to open.  I actually want to check out the indoor bocce!  They will also have live music which I think is an area that downtown is definitely lacking in.  I'll give the place a shot before I pass judgement.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: punch on March 29, 2016, 10:22:05 PM
There is indoor bocce at Stone Mad in Detroit Shoreway

My prediction for Wild Eagle, the entire staff will be 22 year old women in cheerleader outfits.  The menu / concept table side taps is a lot like a bar here in Louisiana called WalkOns.  It does really well, but it's no winking lizard



http://www.walk-ons.com/home-callouts/join-the-walk-ons-team
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on March 30, 2016, 12:29:30 AM
Lots of hate for a place that has yet to open.  I actually want to check out the indoor bocce!  They will also have live music which I think is an area that downtown is definitely lacking in.  I'll give the place a shot before I pass judgement.

Cover bands. That's the live music they're adding. And to think when we had Fat Fish Blue Robert Lockwood was playing.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: clvlndr on March 30, 2016, 10:46:35 AM
Lots of hate for a place that has yet to open.  I actually want to check out the indoor bocce!  They will also have live music which I think is an area that downtown is definitely lacking in.  I'll give the place a shot before I pass judgement.

You're right.  I'm willing to give Wild Eagle a chance; they could work out well, and I hope they do.  One major positive is that this location has been a totally dead corner (architecturally attractive, but dead) that will likely bring foot traffic, and that's always a good thing for downtown.  And it's right next to the new County Admin building, which could be a source of revenue.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Urbanophile on March 30, 2016, 10:57:52 AM
I guess I'm mostly just hating on its branding. The menu looks pretty good so I'll probably at least give it a chance. I'm just worried that the branding and marketing for this place will just attract a bunch of Johnny Manziel types.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mrclifton88 on March 30, 2016, 11:10:55 AM
Valid concerns no question, but I gotta say if it does well and activates the space... I don't hate it. Not for everyone but I'm not gonna knock a new business in a formerly empty space!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: TPH2 on March 30, 2016, 11:26:45 AM
Another plus: "A pint of beer will fetch no more than $5.50, with most of the burgers and sandwiches on the food menu coming in under $10."


First look: Wild Eagle Saloon brings ambitious concept to downtown Cleveland

By John Petkovic, The Plain Dealer
on March 30, 2016 at 6:01 AM, updated March 30, 2016 at 11:16 AM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The downtown nightlife scene is like a leopard's coat – spots of activity with empty spaces in between.

The spots are named after streets or attached to attractions. Yes, there's West Sixth and East Fourth, but also Playhouse Square or Gateway.

Each have their own characteristics and crowds – foodies, diners, partyers, sport fans or suburbanites in town for an event.

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/03/first_look_wild_eagle_saloon_b.html
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: StapHanger on March 30, 2016, 11:35:14 AM
No skin off my back, since I doubt I'll ever go in, but the generic high tops and chairs sort of kill the honky tonk charm, imho. Place just seems like a big room with a bunch of random crap scattered around. I totally get that it brings a new amenity to the neighborhood though.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jborger on March 30, 2016, 11:42:49 AM
There's also a "Urination Station", as seen in this photo gallery from Scene... http://photos.clevescene.com/first-look-30-photos-wild-eagle-saloon-2/
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jborger on March 30, 2016, 11:48:08 AM
First look: Wild Eagle Saloon brings ambitious concept to downtown Cleveland

By John Petkovic, The Plain Dealer
on March 30, 2016 at 6:01 AM, updated March 30, 2016 at 11:16 AM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The downtown nightlife scene is like a leopard's coat – spots of activity with empty spaces in between.

The spots are named after streets or attached to attractions. Yes, there's West Sixth and East Fourth, but also Playhouse Square or Gateway.

Each have their own characteristics and crowds – foodies, diners, partyers, sport fans or suburbanites in town for an event.

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/03/first_look_wild_eagle_saloon_b.html

Interesting note that the bar was reclaimed from the New York Spaghetti House.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mrclifton88 on March 30, 2016, 12:55:39 PM
Just when I thought I had accepted this place... the giant video board on E. 9th showed an advertisement explaining how soon you will be able to TAP THAT at the Wild Eagle Saloon.  Yeesh... who is in charge of the marketing?  I think they must have also planned the JACK casino campaign...   :wtf: :wtf:
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: yanni_gogolak on March 30, 2016, 02:32:12 PM
First look: Wild Eagle Saloon brings ambitious concept to downtown Cleveland

By John Petkovic, The Plain Dealer
on March 30, 2016 at 6:01 AM, updated March 30, 2016 at 11:16 AM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The downtown nightlife scene is like a leopard's coat – spots of activity with empty spaces in between.

The spots are named after streets or attached to attractions. Yes, there's West Sixth and East Fourth, but also Playhouse Square or Gateway.

Each have their own characteristics and crowds – foodies, diners, partyers, sport fans or suburbanites in town for an event.

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/03/first_look_wild_eagle_saloon_b.html

Interesting note that the bar was reclaimed from the New York Spaghetti House.

The one pearl in a sea of rotten oysters.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on March 30, 2016, 04:55:48 PM
First look: Wild Eagle Saloon brings ambitious concept to downtown Cleveland

By John Petkovic, The Plain Dealer
on March 30, 2016 at 6:01 AM, updated March 30, 2016 at 11:16 AM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The downtown nightlife scene is like a leopard's coat – spots of activity with empty spaces in between.

The spots are named after streets or attached to attractions. Yes, there's West Sixth and East Fourth, but also Playhouse Square or Gateway.

Each have their own characteristics and crowds – foodies, diners, partyers, sport fans or suburbanites in town for an event.

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/03/first_look_wild_eagle_saloon_b.html

Interesting note that the bar was reclaimed from the New York Spaghetti House.

Strange, I could have sworn the article mentioned "Spaghetti Warehouse."
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: MayDay on March 31, 2016, 08:53:16 AM
Just when I thought I had accepted this place... the giant video board on E. 9th showed an advertisement explaining how soon you will be able to TAP THAT at the Wild Eagle Saloon.  Yeesh... who is in charge of the marketing?  I think they must have also planned the JACK casino campaign...   :wtf: :wtf:

You can take the developers out of Streetsboro, but you can't take the Streetsboro out of the developers.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mrnyc on March 31, 2016, 11:55:01 AM
there is always hope that it could become a biker club hangout and live up to the 'wild.'
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mrclifton88 on March 31, 2016, 04:46:41 PM
Noticed something unexpected going up on the way home. From what it seems, Clear Choice LASIK Center will open in the 9 garage ? (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160331/8caeeaff9f0329b5af551627777f1722.jpg)
I remember originally they had proposed a deli in that corner.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Floods7 on April 03, 2016, 12:28:06 PM
I guess I'm mostly just hating on its branding. The menu looks pretty good so I'll probably at least give it a chance. I'm just worried that the branding and marketing for this place will just attract a bunch of Johnny Manziel types.

Interesting that no one cares if you don't want a bunch of "Johnny manziel types" (ie. Bro's, frat boys, partiers) but if someone says I don't want all those low class bums on public square everyone explodes and says you need to be more 'tolerant', 'accepting' or "this is a city stay in the burbs if you dont like it".

I can totally see why someone wouldn't want manziel types all over but if were gonna be PC lets not be hypocritical.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: eurokie on April 03, 2016, 12:34:51 PM
I guess I'm mostly just hating on its branding. The menu looks pretty good so I'll probably at least give it a chance. I'm just worried that the branding and marketing for this place will just attract a bunch of Johnny Manziel types.

Interesting that no one cares if you don't want a bunch of "Johnny manziel types" (ie. Bro's, frat boys, partiers) but if someone says I don't want all those low class bums on public square everyone explodes and says you need to be more 'tolerant', 'accepting' or "this is a city stay in the burbs if you dont like it".

I can totally see why someone wouldn't want manziel types all over but if were gonna be PC lets not be hypocritical.

One group is bothering the public, the other group isn't bothering the public...
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: yanni_gogolak on April 03, 2016, 01:01:01 PM
I guess I'm mostly just hating on its branding. The menu looks pretty good so I'll probably at least give it a chance. I'm just worried that the branding and marketing for this place will just attract a bunch of Johnny Manziel types.

Interesting that no one cares if you don't want a bunch of "Johnny manziel types" (ie. Bro's, frat boys, partiers) but if someone says I don't want all those low class bums on public square everyone explodes and says you need to be more 'tolerant', 'accepting' or "this is a city stay in the burbs if you dont like it".

I can totally see why someone wouldn't want manziel types all over but if were gonna be PC lets not be hypocritical.

One group is bothering the public, the other group isn't bothering the public...

Oh? and which is which?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on April 03, 2016, 01:03:03 PM
Ask "the public."
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: X on April 03, 2016, 01:43:18 PM
OK, let's get back to development news and off of anybody's preference in company.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Clueless,Ohio on April 03, 2016, 05:46:16 PM

recently
(?)811, or whatever name is decided on

(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/216/IMG_5467_zpsz2nsuxwv.jpg)

(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/216/IMG_5459_zps6nuj6wkv.jpg)

(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/216/IMG_5461_zps8iyrsmlb.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: eurokie on April 03, 2016, 09:20:36 PM
(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww75/dougshaw77/uodunce.jpg)

When a mod says we need to get back to the topic, that means we need to get back to the topic.  Not back to the topic after trying to get in one last comment.

OK, let's get back to development news and off of anybody's preference in company.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mrclifton88 on April 11, 2016, 01:01:00 PM
Lots of activity today on this Prospect building which I don't know what to call! Lol (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160411/fd059beec2fd148546b78d84bf720f2e.jpg)


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Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Enginerd on April 11, 2016, 01:13:41 PM
Popped into the Wild Eagle on Saturday night. There was a country cover band playing and the place was PACKED.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on April 14, 2016, 08:51:36 PM
A new yoga studio going in on Huron Road, close to Wild Eagle.  Inner Bliss Yoga!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on April 14, 2016, 11:47:00 PM
A new yoga studio going in on Huron Road, close to Wild Eagle.  Inner Bliss Yoga!

I'm a regular at their Rocky River location. It's a great company.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: pgn711 on April 16, 2016, 09:00:43 AM
Lots of activity today on this Prospect building which I don't know what to call! Lol (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160411/fd059beec2fd148546b78d84bf720f2e.jpg)


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Not sure when these went up but I noticed last night that there are new LED streetlights up and down Prospect. Much better than the ugly old ones. At least from E 9th to the casino. Not sure how much farther they extend.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: ws966112 on April 16, 2016, 11:41:12 AM
811 Prospect
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: JG on April 16, 2016, 05:14:51 PM
Lots of activity today on this Prospect building which I don't know what to call! Lol

Not sure when these went up but I noticed last night that there are new LED streetlights up and down Prospect. Much better than the ugly old ones. At least from E 9th to the casino. Not sure how much farther they extend.

Not 100% sure but I think there are cameras inside/under the new lights.

(http://i.imgur.com/I3ZbtmJ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/utmbqKo.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on April 16, 2016, 05:43:36 PM
Probably courtesy of the RNC being here. They were most likely developed right here at Nela Park. Would be nice to have them throughout the CBD.

Read more about them.

http://www.gelighting.com/LightingWeb/na/solutions/control-systems/lightgrid-outdoor-wireless-control-system.jsp
http://pressroom.gelighting.com/news/san-diego-to-save-more-than-a-quarter-of-a-million-dollars-annually-with-ge-smart-lighting-technology#.VxKwxM4pDMI
Title: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mrclifton88 on April 16, 2016, 06:03:15 PM
Those look great. Add it to the list of streetlight types downtown. Haha seriously it just makes me crazy. They were using a specific style of light on new areas of E. Ninth like the 9, County HQ, Schofield, etc. that match all the lights in the median of E. 12th. The lights are rounded and are an off white color. In the last week theyve been replacing some old lights around 1717 and the Amtrust building and are using a totally different style!  Really?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Enginerd on April 16, 2016, 06:11:21 PM
Here is an excerpt from last year about the smart grid lights the city is installing:
"the fixture's "adaptive" smart photocell technology to gather other information, such as:

- Measure snow fall per hour on any street.
- Detect the number of people walking in a neighborhood or vehicles passing through.
- Detect smoke or other pollutants on a street.
- Hear and report the sound of gunfire"

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/07/city_of_cleveland_moving_towar.html
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: SixthCity on April 16, 2016, 06:18:35 PM
Sometimes it feels like, somebody's watching meeeeeeeee
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on April 16, 2016, 08:23:10 PM
Thank you, Rockwell.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: stpats44113 on April 17, 2016, 09:40:23 AM
Does anyone know why they've cut down a decent amount of trees downtown? Is it a security issue for the RNC? They've left the trees up on the streets that have more natural light and are wider and they've essentially cut down the trees on streets that are more narrow and get less sunlight?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mrclifton88 on April 17, 2016, 10:23:52 AM
I THINK I read somewhere that they had a plan to replace lots of sick or dead trees downtown before the RNC


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Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Enginerd on April 17, 2016, 10:35:36 AM
Yeah, I think it might be related to the recently adopted Cleveland Tree Plan.

http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2016/03/planning_commission_approves_a.html
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: stpats44113 on April 17, 2016, 03:59:43 PM
Thanks for the explanation!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Matches on April 18, 2016, 09:48:02 AM
Thank you, Rockwell.
They should put these all along Rockwell (Avenue)! Just because.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: CLE618 on April 26, 2016, 09:19:14 AM
From a friend who is a resident- Prospect Place Apartments will soon be giving their residents 60-day notices to move out, unless they are interested in purchasing their units, as they plan to convert their apartments into condominiums. My friend's 1bed/1bath will be offered in the 180k/190k range. Seems like a good sign for establishing more condos downtown, though I think the landlords are just not qualified enough to handle an apartment building (that's their only one) and want it off their hands.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jjames0408 on April 26, 2016, 09:42:25 AM
Great news!!! It's about time. Hopefully demand is high showing the need for more units.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: YO to the CLE on April 26, 2016, 09:59:53 AM
My building (Water St) is undergoing the same process. I own mine already, so it's not a huge deal, but I know that some of the rental units are not being renewed once an existing lease is up. They are renovating them and selling.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: dwirthwein on April 26, 2016, 02:24:41 PM
The "Moxie" property at 811 Prospect will be called "811 Kitchen*Bar*Lounge" it appears (as that's the DBA in their just-filed liquor license application). Not personally a fan of unimaginative "street number" restaurant names, though I guess they serve a directional/locational purpose.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Enginerd on May 08, 2016, 08:18:11 PM
This morning the Wild Eagle blade sign was removed, and (what looks like) a temporary ground LED sign replaced it.

Odd.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: TPH2 on May 08, 2016, 08:46:52 PM
This is from a couple days ago, before they took down the main sign this morning. Just when I thought this place couldn't get any tackier looking...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-PcJ_mSiHyXc/Vy_f5hY2JmI/AAAAAAAAHbc/v3DKQjXjPew_lqw6NPGSUYlwye2fZIqMACCo/s512/IMG_3926.PNG)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: PoshSteve on May 08, 2016, 09:07:58 PM
Ads for them pop up on Pandora all the time. Just hearing "inebriation station" so much is almost enough to make me pay for the ads free version.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: pgn711 on May 16, 2016, 09:43:40 PM
The neon sign on the roof of the Q is lit up tonight. Can't tell if they are still testing it or not as I am not high enough. But I can see it from my 6th floor window. Just in time for Game 1 of the Eastern Conference finals tomorrow!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: mrclifton88 on May 16, 2016, 10:11:32 PM
They already installed that?!?  Wow was that fast. I guess we'll find out tomorrow!


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Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Mov2Ohio on May 17, 2016, 09:32:12 AM
I saw a crane by the arena about a week ago. Here is a pic from this morning.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: ASPhotoman on May 23, 2016, 01:04:59 PM
Was looking online for office rentals and stumbled upon this. I'm liking it!

Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: simplythis on May 23, 2016, 02:43:32 PM
Is this where Buffalo Wild Wings is going into    or
is this something else?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: TPH2 on May 23, 2016, 02:46:16 PM
Is this where Buffalo Wild Wings is going into    or
is this something else?


No, BW3 is going in across the street at 724 Prospect.

This place is part of the Red Restaurant Group: http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2015/11/06/details-emerge-on-red-based-restaurant-to-open-on-prospect-avenue
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: pgn711 on June 23, 2016, 08:45:35 PM
Is this where Buffalo Wild Wings is going into    or
is this something else?


No, BW3 is going in across the street at 724 Prospect.

This place is part of the Red Restaurant Group: http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2015/11/06/details-emerge-on-red-based-restaurant-to-open-on-prospect-avenue

811 Kitchen has a sign in their window saying they are open in July. Big flat screen tvs were delivered today. Also BW3 says they are opening June 28. Signage went up on both sides of the building earlier this week.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Clueless,Ohio on June 26, 2016, 06:23:09 PM

huron road entrance

(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/216/IMG_5797_zpsibykywyd.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: CLE618 on June 27, 2016, 01:25:12 PM
Looks like they are opening a second Cavs Team Shop at the bottom of the Jack Casino Parking Garage. The space is on the corner of Prospect and Ontario, and the entrance is directly under the casino bridge.

Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Clueless,Ohio on June 27, 2016, 08:35:36 PM

Red's 811

(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/216/IMG_5875_zpsmrqkkyoy.jpg)

(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/216/IMG_5879_zps33pmoq5q.jpg)

(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/216/IMG_5866_zpsb4gqotrl.jpg)

(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/216/IMG_5878_zpshbpbwew1.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: JG on June 30, 2016, 11:57:51 AM
Looks like they are opening a second Cavs Team Shop at the bottom of the Jack Casino Parking Garage. The space is on the corner of Prospect and Ontario, and the entrance is directly under the casino bridge.

It's a temporary location due to the RNC.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2016/06/cavaliers_team_shop_relocating.html#incart_m-rpt-1
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on July 13, 2016, 11:33:24 AM
So this property is right across from Gateway and has always been on my radar.  My hope is with the eventual takedown of Cleveland Thermal, scheduled for 2017 and of course the large property that Dan Gilbert controls I can see an eventual link of Gateway down to the river. I think the time is right for this property to move quickly and be developed.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: surfohio on July 13, 2016, 02:52:22 PM
I agree that property has great potential. The connection to the river is a must, imho. I'm just not sure what Gilbert's intentions are regarding the riverfront. With Tower City Ampitheater and the Rib Fests you saw the real potential down there. However I'm afraid that area will simply be parking lot for a long time.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on July 13, 2016, 04:06:19 PM
^Well once my dream of Cleveland Thermal coming down is a reality,  it will become clear the great possibilities for that area.  CT which dumps thousands of tons of pollution into the air  just a stone's throw from Public Square is just killing that space.   I can't wait for that smokestack to drop.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: ragarcia on July 13, 2016, 04:52:52 PM
I'm always surprised at how many people make the trek downtown both walking and on bicycle across the Lorain-Carnegie bridge. Development on this property could be like a "pit stop" for them.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: w28th on July 13, 2016, 08:48:50 PM
^Well once my dream of Cleveland Thermal coming down is a reality,  it will become clear the great possibilities for that area.  CT which dumps thousands of tons of pollution into the air  just a stone's throw from Public Square is just killing that space.   I can't wait for that smokestack to drop.

The smokestack is an icon, hope it stays.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on July 13, 2016, 09:20:39 PM
So this property is right across from Gateway and has always been on my radar.  My hope is with the eventual takedown of Cleveland Thermal, scheduled for 2017 and of course the large property that Dan Gilbert controls I can see an eventual link of Gateway down to the river. I think the time is right for this property to move quickly and be developed.

I did a land-use plan for that site a decade ago, including a transit station in the basement. I'll see if I can find it.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on July 13, 2016, 09:40:14 PM
^Well once my dream of Cleveland Thermal coming down is a reality,  it will become clear the great possibilities for that area.  CT which dumps thousands of tons of pollution into the air  just a stone's throw from Public Square is just killing that space.   I can't wait for that smokestack to drop.

The smokestack is an icon, hope it stays.

Shocking coming from you. But you kind of have that 'Blade Runner' view of cities where fire and smoke is coming out of everything.
Actually I can see a portion of it being used as part of a  public waterfront  area.  As long as their isn't toxic fumes coming from it, something could be done.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: clvlndr on July 13, 2016, 10:03:42 PM
Any new 811 landscape photos? The rendering looks exciting as Prospect continues to give Euclid a run for its money as most interesting downtown street.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on July 13, 2016, 10:09:20 PM
So this property is right across from Gateway and has always been on my radar.  My hope is with the eventual takedown of Cleveland Thermal, scheduled for 2017 and of course the large property that Dan Gilbert controls I can see an eventual link of Gateway down to the river. I think the time is right for this property to move quickly and be developed.

I did a land-use plan for that site a decade ago, including a transit station in the basement. I'll see if I can find it.

I remember someone posted a rendering of a proposed development for that corner (probably you) but I think it also included that small triangle piece of land. Yes any development there would be a no-brainer for a transit stop.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: PoshSteve on July 14, 2016, 05:52:08 PM
While it may not be the most appropriate use for the riverfront (although it could be made to work out), I can see this being a good location for a new Justice Center. Either with a new transit stop under, or just tied directly into Tower City. Could even put the jail on the south side of the bridges, sort of away from downtown, but still connected to the courts.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: pgn711 on July 14, 2016, 08:04:35 PM
Any new 811 landscape photos? The rendering looks exciting as Prospect continues to give Euclid a run for its money as most interesting downtown street.

Here's a crappy picture I took yesterday of the new sign that went up. (the sign went up one night earlier this week). They were power washing the sidewalk out front yesterday. Looks like they could open this weekend?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: clvlndr on July 14, 2016, 08:05:39 PM
Any new 811 landscape photos? The rendering looks exciting as Prospect continues to give Euclid a run for its money as most interesting downtown street.

Here's a crappy picture I took yesterday of the new sign that went up. (the sign went up one night earlier this week). They were power washing the sidewalk out front yesterday. Looks like they could open this weekend?

I think an earlier article said they were waiting until after the RNC to open.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Floods7 on July 15, 2016, 09:07:19 AM
^Well once my dream of Cleveland Thermal coming down is a reality,  it will become clear the great possibilities for that area.  CT which dumps thousands of tons of pollution into the air  just a stone's throw from Public Square is just killing that space.   I can't wait for that smokestack to drop.

The smokestack is an icon, hope it stays.

Love the smoke stack, just adds character.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: seicer on July 15, 2016, 09:22:14 AM
Same - I love that it actually releases smoke too. It's great to shoot from the disused Eagle Street Bridge, as you can not only get in the skyline, but the power plant and a working Cuyahoga River. It's such a gritty composition.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on July 15, 2016, 09:32:36 AM
Same - I love that it actually releases smoke too. It's great to shoot from the disused Eagle Street Bridge, as you can not only get in the skyline, but the power plant and a working Cuyahoga River. It's such a gritty composition.

Not anymore -- at least not from coal. CSX was asked to stop shipments of coal to Cleveland Thermal. So the CSX tracks north of I-490 into downtown are no longer used....
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: clvlndr on July 15, 2016, 10:48:30 AM

Not anymore -- at least not from coal. CSX was asked to stop shipments of coal to Cleveland Thermal. So the CSX tracks north of I-490 into downtown are no longer used....

Nice for a CVSR entry into Tower City, perhaps?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Clueless,Ohio on October 05, 2016, 06:23:32 PM

if nothing else but safety, thank goodness pour les fenetres nouveaux

(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/216/IMG_6575_zpsjsvtnk30.jpg)

(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/216/IMG_6605_zps8uw2qgce.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: simplythis on October 05, 2016, 06:33:37 PM
Hmmm    New Windows.     I thought this building is coming down as part of the Nucleus Project.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on October 05, 2016, 06:39:40 PM
The windows look temporary, even plastic.

BTW, I thought these buildings were to be rehabbed as part of nuCLEus?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: w28th on October 05, 2016, 08:17:29 PM
Those plastic windows have been there for years. They will be rehabbed, not demoed.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: stpats44113 on October 05, 2016, 10:28:02 PM
Those plastic windows have been there for years. They will be rehabbed, not demoed.

So, these buildings aren't coming down?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on October 05, 2016, 10:30:00 PM
It always amazes me how old building signage, in this case the Goldfish sign is allowed to remain years and sometimes decades after something closes.  Remember the old Shoe Outlet sign on the JHB building that was there for years, or the Bridal Shop sign that was on the Stanley building decades after it closed.  Drives me nuts.  I don't know how a council person can pass those by over the years with out raising hell with someone. Such a bad look. It just screams dilapidated and despair.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: clvlndr on October 06, 2016, 12:29:17 AM
Those plastic windows have been there for years. They will be rehabbed, not demoed.

So, these buildings aren't coming down?

I had not heard the Goldfish building would be demo'd.  IIRC there were stability issues with the wall of the furthest east of the trio (the Record Rendezvous building?), so much so that the adjacent surface parking lot to its east was closed due to the safety hazard of falling bricks.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: w28th on October 06, 2016, 06:31:47 AM
It always amazes me how old building signage, in this case the Goldfish sign is allowed to remain years and sometimes decades after something closes.  Remember the old Shoe Outlet sign on the JHB building that was there for years, or the Bridal Shop sign that was on the Stanley building decades after it closed.  Drives me nuts.  I don't know how a council person can pass those by over the years with out raising hell with someone. Such a bad look. It just screams dilapidated and despair.

Totally disagree with you. Good example of leaving it until a new use is found is the old Euclid Tavern sign. It was left intact for years and then rehabbed when it was reopened.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sizzlinbeef on October 06, 2016, 08:56:54 AM
I thought Weston bought them from that company that was going to put in that garish billboard structure on top of the current parking lot, and announced they would be rehabbed as part of a larger development.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on October 06, 2016, 09:03:11 AM
Stark has the parking lot on the SW corner of East 4th and Prospect along with the Herold Building, 310 Prospect, next to the parking lot. Weston owns the building at 300 Prospect next to the Herold. The next two properties, 210 Prospect and 202 Prospect (bringing us to East 2nd), are owned by Prospect Avenue Properties LLC, which in turn is owned by Nageeb Simmon of Shaker Heights.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: freethink on October 06, 2016, 09:17:48 AM
It always amazes me how old building signage, in this case the Goldfish sign is allowed to remain years and sometimes decades after something closes.  Remember the old Shoe Outlet sign on the JHB building that was there for years, or the Bridal Shop sign that was on the Stanley building decades after it closed.  Drives me nuts.  I don't know how a council person can pass those by over the years with out raising hell with someone. Such a bad look. It just screams dilapidated and despair.

Totally disagree with you. Good example of leaving it until a new use is found is the old Euclid Tavern sign. It was left intact for years and then rehabbed when it was reopened.

Well of course you do... Besides Euclid Tavern is a bad example as it sits in a neighborhood area, not in the middle of a CBD in a major city.  It's not a good look to have a closed storefront that hasn't been maintained in years with a rotted sign wasting away. I am sure the neighboring businesses would agree.

Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jeremyck01 on October 06, 2016, 11:33:20 AM
It always amazes me how old building signage, in this case the Goldfish sign is allowed to remain years and sometimes decades after something closes.  Remember the old Shoe Outlet sign on the JHB building that was there for years, or the Bridal Shop sign that was on the Stanley building decades after it closed.  Drives me nuts.  I don't know how a council person can pass those by over the years with out raising hell with someone. Such a bad look. It just screams dilapidated and despair.

Totally disagree with you. Good example of leaving it until a new use is found is the old Euclid Tavern sign. It was left intact for years and then rehabbed when it was reopened.

Well of course you do... Besides Euclid Tavern is a bad example as it sits in a neighborhood area, not in the middle of a CBD in a major city.  It's not a good look to have a closed storefront that hasn't been maintained in years with a rotted sign wasting away. I am sure the neighboring businesses would agree.



Are you speaking for all the neighborhood businesses?  Actually, the Euclid Tavern is a perfect example. These signs are a bit of history, and if they can be saved, they should be.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: KJP on December 15, 2016, 12:24:57 PM
Cleveland Planning Commission
Agenda for December 16, 2016

DF2016-127 – Harry Buffalo Video Board and Static Display Board: Seeking Final Approval
Project Address: 2120 East 4th Street
Project Representative: TBD

(http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2016/12162016/image/Harry_Buffalo_Signage_05.jpg)

(http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2016/12162016/image/Harry_Buffalo_Signage_04.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: w28th on December 15, 2016, 12:58:55 PM
Another rendering over here with no skill in getting the perspective right.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: YABO713 on December 15, 2016, 03:24:39 PM
I wonder if they built this with the anticipation that nothing would ever be built in that parking lot and they could use it for watch parties ... OR ... if they believe that will be an outdoor dining area for nuCLEus
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: McLovin on December 16, 2016, 08:07:34 AM
That's ugly.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: sky on December 16, 2016, 11:29:26 AM
terrible
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: msa1092 on December 16, 2016, 01:58:01 PM
Yikes!!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: jam40jeff on December 16, 2016, 02:08:15 PM
I didn't think I could hate Harry Buffalo any more than I already did.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Gateway District Developments
Post by: Mendo on December 16, 2016, 02:10:09 PM
You guys remember this proposal from a couple years ago? Same architects too.

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,27551.msg697409.html#msg697409

(http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/02212014/image/310_Prospect_45.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: simplythis on February 22, 2017, 09:59:49 PM
Wahlburger news. http://www.cleveland19.com/story/34575428/wahlburgers-cleveland-let-us-inside-during-construction-photos
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: simplythis on February 24, 2017, 06:30:42 PM
More Wahlburger News. http://fox8.com/2017/02/24/owner-giving-behind-the-scenes-tour-of-new-wahlburgers-restaurant-in-cleveland/
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: xu9697 on April 04, 2017, 03:37:27 PM
Does anyone have information about what is going on between where the new Wahlburger will sit and the Casino parking lot- in the empty space where they tore down the beautiful old building?  I work @ SW and they are putting slabs of concrete down. 

Looks to be a patio maybe for Wahlburger (with cut out for doors) and perhaps some lighting features and even a large cut out of what could be landscaping or grassy area.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: simplythis on April 20, 2017, 04:17:34 PM
Wahlburger job fair. http://fox8.com/2017/04/20/want-to-work-for-wahlburgers-cleveland-location-looking-to-fill-jobs/
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: Pugu on April 20, 2017, 04:31:39 PM
^what kind of cuisine?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: 327 on April 20, 2017, 04:38:02 PM
^what kind of cuisine?

Germanesque, with particular focus on the city of Hamburg.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: Clueless,Ohio on May 03, 2017, 07:34:42 PM

(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/216/IMG_0928_zpspqpbgmsa.jpg)

(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/216/DSCF9582_zpsrvetgqxk.jpg)

(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/216/DSCF9581_zpsyij3jjrq.jpg)

(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/216/DSCF9583_zpsfc6zboxl.jpg)

(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/pwmcleveland/216/DSCF9580_zps25swoivq.jpg)

Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: simplythis on May 09, 2017, 05:39:09 PM
Mark Walburg in town. http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/cleveland/wahlburgers-to-announce-cleveland-opening-date-soon/438122579Walburg in town.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on May 09, 2017, 11:29:27 PM
Here's a pricey property purchase by an aggressive developer with big visions for its projects....

On May 5, E. 9th Street Partners LLC acquired 2217 East 9th Street for $2.65 million. Called the Utica Building, it was later Alice Cooper's Cooperstown restaurant, now Brickstone restaurant.

E. 9th Street Partners has as its tax mailing address as 2191 Murray Hill Rd in Cleveland. That's the same address as Midwest Development Partners, the folks who got the stalled Intesa development moving as Centric. And they're pursuing the dramatic University Circle City Center (UC3) development of multiple high-rise buildings.

But 2217 East 9th was the only parcel they bought around here so far. I couldn't find any other parcels nearby that appeared to be associated with Midwest Development Partners. Across Bolivar Avenue are several undeveloped properties owned by Geis, so maybe Midwest is trying to get in on whatever Geis has in mind for the NE corner of 9th and Bolivar?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: RMB on May 10, 2017, 10:40:51 AM
Those two buildings to the east along Bolivar were listed previously but I don't see them anymore.  Always thought that 1020 Bolivar and the garage next to it would make a great apt conversion as the garage was built to accommodate several more floors. 

Rampant speculation but it could be part of a larger play.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on May 10, 2017, 11:13:04 AM
Those two buildings to the east along Bolivar were listed previously but I don't see them anymore.  Always thought that 1020 Bolivar and the garage next to it would make a great apt conversion as the garage was built to accommodate several more floors. 

Rampant speculation but it could be part of a larger play.

Agreed on both.

Frangos still has 1020 Bolivar listed on his website (check out my latest posting in the Campus District thread), but they may not have updated it for a while. I don't see it on Loopnet anymore.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on May 10, 2017, 11:57:55 AM
More.... There's definitely something going on in this area with Geis, Midwest and Frangos (see article below). Also consider Frangos just bought a huge swath of property a little farther east along and south of Prospect (see the Campus District thread https://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,14163.msg853242.html#msg853242) that may be involved somehow. A lot of other properties between Frangos' acquisitions near East 9th and East 14th/18th have changed hands in the last two years with Geis involved in many of them, mostly around Prospect.

Ohio Means Jobs is in need of a new home
Public employment agency is being forced out of longtime headquarters on Bolivar Avenue
April 23, 2017 UPDATED 4/24/2017

By JAY MILLER
The downtown Cleveland office of Ohio Means Jobs, the public employment agency run collaboratively by the city of Cleveland and Cuyahoga County, is being forced to move its downtown office from its longtime home at 1020 Bolivar Ave. on short notice.

But no one is able or willing to say why or discuss any details of the move. And no one is willing to talk about the fate of the 98-year-old, four-story building a stone's throw from the Gateway complex.

The property has been embroiled in legal and tax problems for more than a decade. That is not unheard of in the dark and complicated world of urban real estate development, where property owners shield their investments and their financing behind opaquely named limited liability corporations. One LLC linked to this property goes by the name 1020 Bolivar First Floor Mortgage LLC.

MORE:
http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170423/NEWS/170429931/ohio-means-jobs-is-in-need-of-a-new-home
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: Clefan98 on May 10, 2017, 12:16:40 PM
^ Any good guesses on what might be going down?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on May 10, 2017, 12:45:34 PM
I did some searching in news articles with the search terms of Geis and Frangos in them. It seems there's no love lost between the two developers/investors/property owners. They tend to compete with each other for properties but they have done business with each other when when their interests intersected (namely the Ameritrust building). So it's apparent that Geis has a potentially big project in mind along East 9th near Bolivar. Apparently Frangos thinks that whatever is happening there will require a significant amount of parking.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that Geis may have the winning bid for the new Medical Mutual office building. And considering many of Medical Mutual's employees could be relocated from the suburbs, that's where the parking will come in to play for Frangos. If so, he's going to cash in on a big new demand for more parking just off the Interstates.

EDIT: upon further review, unless Geis plans on demolishing the old Ameritrust parking garage, his properties between Prospect and Bolivar aren't big enough for a Medical Mutual office building. And Frangos' property acquisitions from last month over by East 14th/18th aren't really close enough to fully benefit from a new development on East 9th. I think those are part of another play. But Frangos did buy several properties last December between Prospect and Bolivar. And you have the Ohio Means Jobs office suddenly getting kicked out of 1020 Bolivar + Midwest buying the old Utica Building for a healthy sum (it was valued at $1.9 million for taxes; Midwest bought it last week for $2.65 million). So something is popping here and soon.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: sizzlinbeef on May 10, 2017, 03:33:14 PM
I was going to say no way in hell is MMO going to be a new-build because of the time frame, but Geis has proven they can get a large building built quickly. Don't bet on there being massive in-migration from the burbs.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: newtohere on May 10, 2017, 04:03:20 PM
I work near the Medical Mutual Building and yesterday there was a crew of people taking photo's of the building. They were also using a drone, from what it looked like, to take video's/photo's of the building. Not sure if that has any relevance but I found it interesting.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: w28th on May 10, 2017, 05:20:47 PM
^ I saw the drone as well.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: down4cle on May 10, 2017, 05:23:07 PM
^ I saw it yesterday too.  They started it in the parking lot where the Hippodrome was.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on May 10, 2017, 05:24:31 PM
^ I saw it yesterday too.  They started it in the parking lot where the Hippodrome was.

That's interesting. Just out of curiosity, which side? Euclid side or Prospect side?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: down4cle on May 10, 2017, 05:27:02 PM
Prospect.  It started in the lot and they moved east
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on May 10, 2017, 05:28:24 PM
"the lit"?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: down4cle on May 10, 2017, 05:31:10 PM
lot....typo
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on May 10, 2017, 05:35:28 PM
OK. That's all VERY interesting. Wonder why they started from the Hippodrome lot when they could have started from anywhere, including the top of the parking garage in the Hippodrome lot, or from the plaza across the street from the Medical Mutual building or, for that matter, from the roof of the Medical Mutual building?? And I guess just as important, WHO were they?

OK architects on this board, any ideas?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: down4cle on May 10, 2017, 05:39:28 PM
I didn't get a chance to stop and chat.  I had a meeting with a client to get to.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on May 10, 2017, 06:07:08 PM
But someone reading these posts knows the answers. PM me, please. :) I'll keep you off the record.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: sky on May 11, 2017, 10:59:00 AM
Which lot is the "Hippodrome lot"
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: down4cle on May 11, 2017, 11:13:32 AM
Parking lot between Euclid and Prospect immediately west of E. 8th
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: Mendo on May 11, 2017, 11:15:31 AM
It's the surface lot and parking garage bounded by Prospect, East 8th, and Euclid. If you want to look it up on a map, look for 798 Euclid Ave.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on May 11, 2017, 11:18:00 AM
Which lot is the "Hippodrome lot"

It's the parking lot and garage along and west of the East 8th Alley....

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4190/34463443891_261f668af4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Uvqabt)Hippodrome lot (https://flic.kr/p/Uvqabt) by Ken Prendergast (https://www.flickr.com/photos/95438020@N07/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: sky on May 11, 2017, 11:47:36 AM
Thank you.  That lot is a great development site especially having a attached parking garage in the rear. 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: down4cle on May 11, 2017, 11:49:41 AM
To be clear though, it looked like the lot was just used to launch the drone and then they flew it east over the adjacent buildings.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on May 11, 2017, 11:52:07 AM
It is a good development site however I haven't heard anything about the Goldbergs being active in courting one of the major office tenants that are seeking to build new buildings downtown. Of course it could always be a residential structure built there but there's been no scuttlebutt about that either.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: mrclifton88 on May 11, 2017, 04:30:18 PM
I assume this means nothing and is just a routine project, but they also seem to be refinishing/polishing the gold entrance to the Rose Building on East Ninth.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: sizzlinbeef on May 11, 2017, 04:34:58 PM
Yes, they clean/polish the door just about every year.  I would expect an announcement very soon.  Maybe within the next week or two.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: mrclifton88 on May 11, 2017, 05:42:01 PM
Should we still prepare to be underwhelmed?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: sizzlinbeef on May 11, 2017, 05:44:20 PM
If you were hoping to have the entire company consolidate to a single iconic downtown new-build skyscraper, probably.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on May 11, 2017, 05:50:52 PM
If I pull that sentence apart, it could mean there won't be a new-build skyscraper, or at least it won't be iconic, or only the downtown staff and a few suburban staffpersons will relocate to a new downtown location, or the location won't be downtown at all! ;) But I presume based on past messages is that this relocation is primarily to get out of soon-to-be-expiring leases (2020) and the rest (including in-flux federal healthcare laws) will sort itself out later.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: sizzlinbeef on May 11, 2017, 06:06:23 PM
Here's some random quotes from KJP

there won't be a new-build skyscraper, or at least it won't be iconic

the downtown staff and a few suburban staffpersons will relocate to a new downtown location

and a
suburban
location
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: YO to the CLE on May 11, 2017, 06:15:41 PM
So basically, the HQ will remain downtown probably in a mid rise or renovated building. We won't get any new employees working downtown, but we won't lose any either? We're possibly getting a new building which maybe means that the rose building will open up for residential. I guess I can live with this outcome
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on May 11, 2017, 06:30:25 PM
I'm greedy. If the Rose Building eventually is converted to residential, then that's the best part of this deal. Sounds like there's just too much up in the air right now regarding federal healthcare laws for MM to make any big moves for the future. And with at least two of their leases expiring in 2020, they can't wait for the feds.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: mrclifton88 on May 11, 2017, 06:34:06 PM
I think our shot at an iconic skyscraper will solely be coming from Sherwin Williams.  But if MM could build something fairly substantial on the Hipp lot that is around the same height as the surrounding structures I think I would be happy...  I guess we will have to be patient and see what MM announces!  (I don't like being patient)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: sizzlinbeef on May 11, 2017, 07:13:25 PM
Hopefully these rumors/speculations are wrong.  I wouldn't throw out the possibility of something visible from progressive field based on MM's focus on sports and marketing Gateway in general .  That may fit the Bolivar or Hippodrome  scenario.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on May 11, 2017, 08:16:44 PM
In all likelihood, if MM is announcing something this month, then it's probably new construction unless an existing building needs significant modifications to accommodate them. And the only existing building with that much space to accommodate MM's current downtown staff of 1,300 is 925 Euclid. Their development plan is for retaining 400,000 sf for office -- and MM can fit into that with space left over. If MM is moving to 925 Euclid without significantly modifying the office space to be retained, then the timeline necessary for that is likely short.

So that's why I think an announcement this month is for new construction. Accommodating 1,300 +/- employees in a modern, efficient building with floorplates averaging about 25,000 sf means an office building about 10 or 11 stories tall. MM officials have said they don't want to own their building. And MM is right up against the deadline when they have to move forward on a new building -- with a developer who has a track record of delivering projects quickly. That probably means Geis. And if that's the case, I'm thinking the old Ameritrust garage is where the new Medical Mutual building will go. If true, it will probably be on top of a parking garage that's probably twice as large as the one that's there now. That doesn't mean twice as tall, because Geis owns land all around that parking garage. It can occupy a larger footprint with an office building on top of it. So it may be taller than 10 "stories" after all.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: simplythis on May 11, 2017, 08:46:39 PM
Is there are reason other than the timeline needed for new construction with their lease expiring in 2020 that everyone is excited about a possible new announcement this month. We
have been talking about a new highrise from MM for over a year. And nobody has any real inside news. Just pure speculation.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on May 12, 2017, 12:31:11 AM
And nobody has any real inside news.

Is that your speculation? ;)

I can't speak for others here, but MM isn't renewing it's lease at the Rose Building. They've already said that. So if they're moving to an existing building downtown, they don't have to make that decision/announcement now unless a major renovation of an old building is involved. Why would they do that if they could renovate the building they're in now? They're not going to do that either. MM reps have already said that publicly, too. They've made it quite clear that the Rose Building is too outdated for their needs. So if they're going to construct a new building, it is going to have to be announced and put through the city approvals process now. MM's Rose Building lease ends at the end of 2020. Their Strongsville lease ends in early 2020. It can take at least 18 months to construct a significant office building measuring at least a couple hundred thousand square feet. So now we're back to mid- to late-2018 for a groundbreaking. The city approvals process, pre-development, programming, etc. assuming everything goes well, could take 12 months. So that brings us to mid- to late-2017 for an announcement -- more if the developer doesn't yet have site control or has to do demolition, environmental assessments, remediation, more approvals, FAA/EPA, etc. And I'm sure MM wants some recovery time built into their schedule in case they encounter anything unforeseen from digging and constructing in an old downtown area. So based on that schedule, we're right about at the drop-dead date.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on May 12, 2017, 01:12:59 AM
So as we've been discussing here, recent real estate transfers suggest something is brewing at/near East 9th and Bolivar. I've speculated that this could be the new Medical Mutual building. If so, the spot for them to land would be on Geis properties totaling nearly 1.5 acres, between East 9th, Prospect, Bolivar and the Carter Manor residential building. This includes the existing, 8-level 900 Tower parking deck. My speculation is that this would be demolished and a new parking deck built with a two-story tall atrium on the ground level, parking above, and at least a 10-story office building above.

How much parking? The current 900 Tower parking deck measures about 270,000 square feet. Medical Mutual staff currently park at the Hippodrome lot and garage. That garage measures about 180,000 sf on six levels. That's 450,000 sf of parking.

But the footprint for the Geis property is about 85,000 square feet. It butts up right against the Carter Manor building. So let's assume a new parking deck has 66,000 square feet on each level. It would need only seven levels of parking to offer that 450,000 sf of parking.

With a two-story tall (but really only one level due to high ceilings) atrium/lobby, topped by seven levels of parking, topped by at least 10 stories of office building, that's still a significant structure. And, who knows, it may be a few more stories of office building?  Then again, the existing parking deck could be left alone, a new Medical Mutual building might fit on the vacant lot along the north side of Bolivar (and take out the two-level parking deck) and offer 20,000 sf floorplates (which means at least a 13-story building). The Frangos buildings across the street could be razed for a new parking deck or retrofitted as parking garages (which might explain why Jobs Ohio was suddenly booted out of there).

All of this assumes the Geis property on East 9th is in play....
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: freethink on May 12, 2017, 01:51:14 AM
^ It's funny you should bring this up regarding the 900 Tower Parking deck. Recently I was trying to determine if that garage was capable of being built on top of much like 515. Looking into the history of the garage didn't offer any clues. But most concrete structured garages if the load can be transferred adequately could have that capability. This can be done through a transfer mat and transfer girder which would spread the load for increased capacity.
Because I am sure the county has an agreement somewhere with Geis that a certain amount of garage spaces are available to them. So I can't see that garage coming down without a fight.  Not to mention that it is used by the hotel/residences/hienens etc. We are talking 2 years without it.
So is building on top of the garage an option? It would be able to stay open and shorten construction time.
And yes this is all speculation. Kind of what we do here.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on May 12, 2017, 01:57:19 AM
And yes this is all speculation. Kind of what we do here.

Yep!

All true except one thing... The 900 Tower parking deck is a dump. It's pushing 50 years old.
 
BTW I see the Heinen's parkers are directed to the Hippodrome lot.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: Firenze98 on May 12, 2017, 10:03:37 AM
Was the drone flying along the eave of the Rose building?  It could have just been surveillance to check condition of the building to comply with the new requirements to maintain building exteriors.   
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: mrclifton88 on May 12, 2017, 10:23:55 AM
Not that this is a deal breaker or anything, but they just opened a laser eye clinic in the base of the parking garage.  I'm surprised they would do that if demolition was on the table.  Unless it has come about after the fact. 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: down4cle on May 12, 2017, 10:32:18 AM
Was the drone flying along the eave of the Rose building?  It could have just been surveillance to check condition of the building to comply with the new requirements to maintain building exteriors.   

It's possible.  I was passing by quickly and only saw it briefly.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: sky on May 12, 2017, 02:51:22 PM
No way Geis would demolish the old AmeriTrust garage.  That would create serious problems for them.  Plus the cost of building new parking is exorbitant. 

The Shaia lot at E. 9th & Bolivar is a fantastic development site.  Perhaps medical mutual is looking at the Weston deal, nuCLEus, or Public Square Jacob's lot? 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on May 12, 2017, 05:22:48 PM
The site where the New York Spaghetti House stood on East 9th, now owned by Geis, might be a good spot for Medical Mutual too. But Weston and Jacobs are likely candidates too.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: dave68 on May 12, 2017, 08:34:42 PM
I would love if they were to eye the parking lot space created after The Hippodrome was torn down . Filling the void along Euclid Ave would be nice
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: BCCLE1 on May 13, 2017, 09:40:00 AM
I would love if they were to eye the parking lot space created after The Hippodrome was torn down . Filling the void along Euclid Ave would be nice

Or even the Prospect Ave side. Either of these two sites filled in would be a plus for downtown. Both would be even better.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: BigDipper 80 on May 13, 2017, 10:03:25 AM
It would be interesting if they built a big building around/over that midblock parking garage, but I would assume it's probably cheaper to tear it down and start from scratch.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on May 14, 2017, 01:18:49 AM
Ballpark-area building sells for $2.65 million
May 10, 2017
By STAN BULLARD

An affiliate of Midwest Development Partners, which is tackling big apartment projects in University Circle, has purchased a downtown Cleveland building for $2.65 million.

The three-story structure at 2217 E. Ninth St., across the street from Progressive Field, has a Brickstone pizza restaurant on its first floor and offices upstairs. It dates from 1880, according to Cuyahoga County land records, which show that E. 9th Street Partners LLC acquired the structure last Friday, May 5, from Historical Renovation Properties Ltd. of Cleveland.

The building has housed multiple first-floor tenants since a major renovation in the 1980s, long before the baseball park went in across the street, and another update in 1993, just before the stadium opened.

MORE:
http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170510/NEWS/170519979/ballpark-area-building-sells-for-2-65-million
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: clvlndr on May 14, 2017, 12:46:11 PM
It's a gorgeous, historical building that is also sizable. I'm glad their plans are just for investment purposes..at least that's what they're saying... I'd hate seeing this one demolished.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: simplythis on May 24, 2017, 03:52:56 PM
Wahlburgers is open. http://www.cleveland19.com/story/35508310/wahlburgers-finally-opens-in-downtown-cleveland
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: Clevecane on May 27, 2017, 05:23:24 PM
It's got a decent patio. I would've preferred an adaptive reuse of the Stanley or some infill like a City Target, but this definitely beats that grotesque statue idea.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: freethink on May 31, 2017, 07:59:09 PM
Orangetheory-fitness-coming-to-downtown-Cleveland

https://www.crescorealestate.com/index.php/news/view/orangetheory-fitness-coming-to-downtown-cleveland
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: simplythis on June 08, 2017, 12:38:58 AM
Taco Bell Cantina opens next week. http://www.cleveland19.com/story/35614033/taco-bell-cantina-in-cleveland-opens-next-week
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: McLovin on June 09, 2017, 01:51:50 PM
I personally enjoy when national chains open up shop in the city. To me it shows confidence that the area is growing. I know not all are fans of Taco Bell, I'm not the biggest myself but I will surely check this out.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4222/34390504243_960b400867_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UoYjLk)20170605_174534 (https://flic.kr/p/UoYjLk) by dwainross34 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/81617621@N04/), on Flickr
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4273/34390522263_53bf79c322_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UoYq82)20170605_174528 (https://flic.kr/p/UoYq82) by dwainross34 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/81617621@N04/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: ChiCleveKid on June 10, 2017, 08:27:35 PM
Agreed.
One could argue that in the Flats' true heyday it was the larger chains like Landry's, Fado, Hooters, Max and Erma's and the BW3 that gave it a feel of importance and underscored its status as an entertainment destination.
Of course, having strong independent businesses interspersed among them only added to the appeal of this district.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: simplythis on June 13, 2017, 05:39:00 PM
Cantina opens tomorrow. http://www.news5cleveland.com/lifestyle/food/taco-bell-cantina-opens-in-downtown-cleveland-adding-to-a-new-wave-of-restaurants
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: pgn711 on June 13, 2017, 07:42:02 PM
Read's Jeweler's and Loan moved out of their space on Prospect (by city tap, winking lizard, bw3, etc) and moved to a new location on St. Clair. Heard a gym is opening up in the space that was previously occupied by Read's.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: YABO713 on June 13, 2017, 07:51:42 PM
Read's Jeweler's and Loan moved out of their space on Prospect (by city tap, winking lizard, bw3, etc) and moved to a new location on St. Clair. Heard a gym is opening up in the space that was previously occupied by Read's.

That's odd? Isn't that right next door to Titans Gym?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: pgn711 on June 13, 2017, 10:31:47 PM
Read's Jeweler's and Loan moved out of their space on Prospect (by city tap, winking lizard, bw3, etc) and moved to a new location on St. Clair. Heard a gym is opening up in the space that was previously occupied by Read's.

That's odd? Isn't that right next door to Titans Gym?


Not right next door but yes a couple minute walk.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: sky on June 14, 2017, 12:34:48 PM
I heard a year ago that LA Fitness was going to nuCLEus.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: simplythis on June 14, 2017, 12:50:25 PM
Is LA fitness currently somewhere downtown? 
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: down4cle on June 14, 2017, 12:53:28 PM
^ will be much needed with Taco Ball opening.  :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: Clefan98 on June 14, 2017, 12:57:00 PM
Read's Jeweler's and Loan moved out of their space on Prospect (by city tap, winking lizard, bw3, etc) and moved to a new location on St. Clair. Heard a gym is opening up in the space that was previously occupied by Read's.

That's odd? Isn't that right next door to Titans Gym?

Orange Theory Fitness only offers group workout sessions, and is geared towards a completely different market than Titan's.  They have a large following around the country and Ohio.   I expect OTF to do very well in Downtown Cleveland.  Here's some info on them:

https://www.orangetheoryfitness.com/

Rise Nation and Harness Cycle are also opening up locations near Gateway.

Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: YABO713 on June 14, 2017, 01:31:08 PM
Read's Jeweler's and Loan moved out of their space on Prospect (by city tap, winking lizard, bw3, etc) and moved to a new location on St. Clair. Heard a gym is opening up in the space that was previously occupied by Read's.

That's odd? Isn't that right next door to Titans Gym?

Orange Theory Fitness only offers group workout sessions, and is geared towards a completely different market than Titan's.  They have a large following around the country and Ohio.   I expect OTF to do very well in Downtown Cleveland.  Here's some info on them:

https://www.orangetheoryfitness.com/

Rise Nation and Harness Cycle are also opening up locations near Gateway.

Did an OrangeTheory class in Strongsville last month. Fun time. That is the second niche gym opening downtown, with Rise(?) opening next to Geiger's on Euclid.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: freethink on June 21, 2017, 04:57:39 PM
Well this one comes in under the radar. From Landmarks Agenda.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: w28th on June 21, 2017, 05:16:59 PM
That's great news, really one of the best buildings downtown.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on June 21, 2017, 05:24:06 PM
Love the original design!

(http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2017/06222017/image/Ohio_Bell_Bld_03.jpg)
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: YABO713 on June 21, 2017, 05:51:36 PM
Anyone know why the top couple floors will remain commercial? I'd assume there is a tenant in there right now that they don't want to lose but idk.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: inlovewithCLE on June 21, 2017, 06:33:19 PM
I didn't realize so much of that building was vacant!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: Cleburger on June 21, 2017, 07:03:27 PM
Anyone know why the top couple floors will remain commercial? I'd assume there is a tenant in there right now that they don't want to lose but idk.

My dad used to work for AT&T (sometimes in that building) and he said it is jammed full of the central exchanges and switches for Cleveland (as you might imagine).  I'm guessing the top two floors will be retained by them for their cell network access.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: pgn711 on June 21, 2017, 09:22:55 PM
Anyone know why the top couple floors will remain commercial? I'd assume there is a tenant in there right now that they don't want to lose but idk.

My dad used to work for AT&T (sometimes in that building) and he said it is jammed full of the central exchanges and switches for Cleveland (as you might imagine).  I'm guessing the top two floors will be retained by them for their cell network access.

I used to live in the building across the street (the finance building) on the 6th floor and we could see into the AT&T building all the time but rarely ever saw people. Mostly just servers and equipment. Pretty cool!
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Post by: roman totale XVII on June 21, 2017, 09:56:02 PM
Fantastic! My favorite building in Cleveland bar none.  :clap:
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Post by: sky on June 21, 2017, 10:00:28 PM
Yay!  The Superman Building!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: heightsfan on June 21, 2017, 11:23:22 PM
The top floors are full of equipment for cell network.  Floors 1-8 are still the central exchange, filled with switching equipment/fiber optic lines.  Would cost tens of millions to move.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: MayDay on June 22, 2017, 07:18:56 AM
Great news and love that they're using one of my photos; note the billboard in the pic with one of the Guardians.  :-D
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on June 22, 2017, 05:16:12 PM
Well, at least we'll have one residential high-rise on that stretch of Huron....  :-P

Texas developer could buy downtown Cleveland's Ohio Bell Building for apartments (photos)
By Michelle Jarboe, The Plain Dealer
on June 22, 2017 at 3:46 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio - A Texas developer has designs on one of downtown Cleveland's most recognizable towers, the Art Deco-style Ohio Bell Building that has been a telecommunications hub since it opened in 1927.

Todd Interests of Dallas has a contract to buy the 22-floor building from an affiliate of AT&T, according to documents submitted to the Cleveland Landmarks Commission. The real estate firm is exploring a partial residential conversion of the property, where AT&T maintains servers and other equipment on the lower floors but the upper levels sit empty.

Under the Todd Interests proposal, AT&T would stay put. Floors nine through 22 would become roughly 147 apartments and shared spaces for residents, following the trend of turning vacant or underused downtown office space into housing. Such conversion projects steadily are remaking the central business district, aided by valuable tax credits for historic preservation.

MORE:
http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2017/06/texas_developer_could_buy_down.html
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Post by: Barneyboy on June 22, 2017, 07:07:09 PM
Hubbell & Benes designed this building to be taller. If they aren't taking advantage of historic tax credits, what a kick it would be if they took advantage of the structural ability to add on, sort of like how 515 Euclid is built on top of a garage.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on June 23, 2017, 09:46:53 AM
Osborn and Huron Square apartments, early downtown Cleveland office-to-residential conversions, go up for sale: http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2017/06/osborn_and_huron_square_apartm.html#incart_river_home
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on July 11, 2017, 10:15:57 PM
With all the investment in downtown Cleveland, how can this place continue to still be overlooked and neglected?

Record Rendezvous: Cleveland cradle of rock 'n' roll sits empty, awaits new life (photos)
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/07/record_rendezvous_cleveland_cr.html#incart_river_home
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Post by: newtohere on August 11, 2017, 01:12:39 AM
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/08/noodlecat_to_close_in_clevelan.html#incart_river_home

Noodlecat on Euclid Ave is closing and moving to Crocker Park.
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Post by: surfohio on August 11, 2017, 01:57:36 AM
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/08/noodlecat_to_close_in_clevelan.html#incart_river_home

Noodlecat on Euclid Ave is closing and moving to Crocker Park.

Darn. Well, the writing's been on the wall for that place and I'm surprised it didn't move/close sooner.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: YABO713 on August 11, 2017, 10:06:57 AM
I've heard that Sawyer's restaurants in general are not doing well - which I found hard to believe. Hope this is not an indication of more to come.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: down4cle on August 11, 2017, 10:08:30 AM
^ I'm not sure about his other restaurants but Noodlecat has always seemed average to me especially since the switched to a fast casual concept
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Post by: BelievelandD1 on August 11, 2017, 11:59:50 AM
^^i cant speak to this, but any time i have ever been in greenhouse or trentina there have always been nice crowds.  I havent been to Noodlecat in a while, but i always loved that presence there on Euclid...this is disappointing to say the least.  The Trattner article says Sawyer sought more foot traffic...i mean, of course...thats why banana republic and all those stores are out there.  The issue i have, isnt Sawyer one of our pioneers to combat this?  Bummer to say the least.  I understand money is money, but when your creative class of people falls victim to sprawl, it disappoints. Hopefully his work at Van Aken will be special
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: Foraker on August 11, 2017, 02:04:44 PM
I loved the Noodlecat concept, but not at that price point.
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Post by: clvlndr on August 11, 2017, 02:23:31 PM
Yeah, why did Sawyer pack up Noodlecat at for Crocker Park.  Seems like a slap in the face.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: mack34 on August 11, 2017, 02:31:58 PM
It is a slap....especially because he preaches how much of a pioneer he is.  But on the flip side, I've talked with several downtown residents who live right there who say they have no idea how any of those places stay open on Euclid.  All they get is a lunch crowd.  They are empty at dinner time and weekends.  Downtown needs more people, not only residents....but jobs.
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Post by: Pugu on August 11, 2017, 03:32:11 PM
Not just jobs but jobs of all kinds that people work beyond just 9-5.  Only two TV stations are in downtown proper I think--channel 3 and whatevers at 12th and Chester. The Plain Dealer IS there (Skylight office tower), CPD HQ, other restaurants, hotel workers....but not many others esp the creative/media workers which are not necessarily 9-5.

I liked Noodlecat--thought it was a little pricey for the quantity--though that never stopped me from going there. But, I too, witnessed a usually pretty empty place during the times which I've been there.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: YABO713 on August 11, 2017, 04:09:40 PM
It is a slap....especially because he preaches how much of a pioneer he is.  But on the flip side, I've talked with several downtown residents who live right there who say they have no idea how any of those places stay open on Euclid.  All they get is a lunch crowd.  They are empty at dinner time and weekends.  Downtown needs more people, not only residents....but jobs.

All men have principles, until they get the check
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: ethlaw on August 12, 2017, 02:04:44 PM
I liked the Noodlecat concept, but it had some issues. The noodles were often so unbearably salty I couldn't eat more than half, even if I was very hungry. The steam bun sandwiches were good, but too expensive for their small size. I think it closed for these reasons more than this being part of a wider trend of restaurants closing downtown. I'm not too worried about this space staying empty for too long.
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Post by: Pugu on August 12, 2017, 02:06:30 PM
^ slightly off topic, but I must share, for REALLY good steam bun sandwiches, try Roxu on Madison in Lakewood. very delicious (but slow service).
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Post by: nab70 on August 24, 2017, 04:38:48 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/08/otani_noodle_expanding_to_nood.html


Otani Noodle expanding into the Noodlecat space. Glad to see that didn't stay vacant for long.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: Pugu on August 24, 2017, 06:15:40 PM
^Great news as I love the noodle concept and was sad to see it leave Downtown.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: brickbybrick on January 15, 2018, 06:01:23 PM
There is signage up in the windows of the empty storefront at 1012 Prospect Ave for a Dominos Pizza place.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: YABO713 on January 15, 2018, 06:18:29 PM
There is signage up in the windows of the empty storefront at 1012 Prospect Ave for a Dominos Pizza place.

Nice, the locally owned neighborhood joint, Dominos (Duh-mee-nose)
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Post by: MyPhoneDead on January 15, 2018, 10:56:00 PM
There is signage up in the windows of the empty storefront at 1012 Prospect Ave for a Dominos Pizza place.

Nice, the locally owned neighborhood joint, Dominos (Duh-mee-nose)
Delete.
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Post by: freefourur on January 15, 2018, 10:59:10 PM
There is signage up in the windows of the empty storefront at 1012 Prospect Ave for a Dominos Pizza place.

Nice, the locally owned neighborhood joint, Dominos (Duh-mee-nose)

that place is owned by a nice old couple.  Mamma and Pappa Domino
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Post by: KJP on January 18, 2018, 05:24:33 PM
Southern Tier Brewing Co. to open brewery, tasting room in downtown Cleveland
http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180118/news/149026/southern-tier-brewing-co-open-brewery-tasting-room-downtown-cleveland
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Post by: dar124 on January 18, 2018, 06:14:14 PM
Southern Tier Brewing Co. to open brewery, tasting room in downtown Cleveland
http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180118/news/149026/southern-tier-brewing-co-open-brewery-tasting-room-downtown-cleveland


That storefront has been empty for a while.  Nice to see something finally going in there!!
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Post by: surfohio on January 18, 2018, 06:47:45 PM
Southern tier is excellent! Nice gain for Gateway.
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Post by: w28th on January 18, 2018, 06:59:13 PM
Great news for sure, especially considering my office is right across the street.
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Post by: freethink on February 10, 2018, 06:35:00 PM
Anyone hear the Tilted Kilt becoming a Panini's? There is a new sign order up at design review for  21 Prospect Ave. Also on the TK website Cleveland is no longer listed.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: TPH2 on February 11, 2018, 02:10:57 AM
Anyone hear the Tilted Kilt becoming a Panini's? There is a new sign order up at design review for  21 Prospect Ave. Also on the TK website Cleveland is no longer listed.

Just walked by there. Tilted Kilt is still open.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: freethink on February 11, 2018, 12:28:47 PM
Hmm...must be a mistake then, or a change is in the works.

PANINI'S
Downtown/Flats Case #  DF 2018-003
Address:   21 Prospect Avenue
Company:   Cicogna Signs
Architect:   Cicogna Sign
New Signage.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: Pugu on February 12, 2018, 01:02:07 AM
For some reason I thought there were many many panini's in town and thought 'ugh....another one' but just checking now, i see only two---Westlake and 9th & Huron.  Was I imagining the many locations or did they once really have many spots?
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Post by: jjames0408 on February 12, 2018, 02:47:05 AM
For some reason I thought there were many many panini's in town and thought 'ugh....another one' but just checking now, i see only two---Westlake and 9th & Huron.  Was I imagining the many locations or did they once really have many spots?
Wasn't there one on W 6th?
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Post by: buckeye1 on February 12, 2018, 08:11:44 AM
For some reason I thought there were many many panini's in town and thought 'ugh....another one' but just checking now, i see only two---Westlake and 9th & Huron.  Was I imagining the many locations or did they once really have many spots?

Still one in Strongsville also...

Here's a list of their locations: https://paninisgrill.com/locations/
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Post by: musky on February 12, 2018, 11:52:08 AM
I believe the TK franchise is operated by the same folks as Paninis, as well as Harry Buff
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: roman totale XVII on February 12, 2018, 12:15:51 PM
Seems like something may still be afoot though. As freethink points out, the location isn't listed on the TK website.
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Post by: YABO713 on February 12, 2018, 12:42:07 PM
I believe the TK franchise is operated by the same folks as Paninis, as well as Harry Buff

I believed TK was supposed to open a location in the flats as a Panini's, in between Collision Bend and Coastal Taco.
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Post by: TPH2 on February 14, 2018, 05:12:14 PM
Here are the pictures from the Planning Commission meeting agenda: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2018/02162018/index.php

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWBcA6OVQAEe-cd.jpg)
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Post by: mrclifton88 on February 14, 2018, 06:18:20 PM
I wonder if this will replace the East Ninth Location... seems like a much better spot for staying busy year-round, while the E. 9th spot is usually only busy during the summer/Tribe season
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: TPH2 on February 14, 2018, 06:21:31 PM
I wonder if this will replace the East Ninth Location... seems like a much better spot for staying busy year-round, while the E. 9th spot is usually only busy during the summer/Tribe season

That sounds like a fair assumption. It wouldn't make sense to me to have two locations just 1/3 of a mile from each other, both in the Gateway District.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on February 14, 2018, 06:28:00 PM
Few things beat the steady, substantial revenues from a downtown lunch hour. I'll never forget the pizza chain Sgt. Pepperoni's which in the 1990s had several suburban locations and the downtown location in the Arcade. Their president told me that the downtown location earned as much revenue per day as all of the suburban locations combined. When the Arcade was renovated, its downtown store closed. And then, so did the rest of the chain.
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Post by: simplythis on February 14, 2018, 07:41:49 PM
So Where is Panini's moving from and to where?
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Post by: Clefan98 on February 14, 2018, 07:45:02 PM
I believe the TK franchise is operated by the same folks as Paninis, as well as Harry Buff

That's a different group.  The folks that own this TK only own the Panini's in Kent and Brunswick.
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Post by: jmc8651 on February 14, 2018, 09:40:15 PM
I also saw Erie Street bookstore in the same building as the Gateway Paninis just closed, maybe the landlord is trying to redevelop the property. The Gateway location is pretty dingy.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: freethink on February 14, 2018, 10:22:17 PM
It's kind of odd if you think about it. I mean no announcement from either TK or Panini's up to this point.  The Scene is usually all over this kind of stuff, they love when things close...So one day the girls are wearing kilts the next day there wearing shorts.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: Mendo on February 16, 2018, 05:22:31 PM
The book store next to Panini's closed abruptly. If Panini's moves like we're expecting, the entire first floor would become vacant at the same time. Something bigger might be afoot. Anybody know anything else about the building? Like who the owners are or if the other floors are vacant.

https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2018/02/14/movers-actively-clearing-out-old-erie-street-bookstore-downtown
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on February 16, 2018, 05:31:51 PM
This building has been owned by KNIGHT CENTER CORP since at least 1975 (computerized real estate records in Cuyahoga County do go back any further). No sales or other transfers are publicly listed at this time.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: TPH2 on February 16, 2018, 05:44:42 PM
This building has been owned by KNIGHT CENTER CORP since at least 1975 (computerized real estate records in Cuyahoga County do go back any further). No sales or other transfers are publicly listed at this time.

That's affiliated with the Cleveland Council of the Knights of Columbus. They also own the adjacent building that contains the Clevelander
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Post by: Larry1962 on February 16, 2018, 08:24:15 PM
Jobs center gets a fresh start

The joint city-county Cleveland jobs center of Ohio Means Jobs, the state workforce program, is finally back on solid ground downtown.

Before moving in December into its new offices at 1910 Carnegie Ave., the jobs program spent eight months in limbo, sharing space at its suburban office at 11699 Brookpark Road in Parma.

At a grand opening on Friday, Feb. 16, Micki Tubbs, chair of the Cleveland/Cuyahoga Workforce Development Board, the city-county agency that is the local affiliate of the state's Ohio Means Jobs program, said she was glad the program was back downtown. per

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180216/news/152271/jobs-center-gets-fresh-start
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Post by: viscomi on February 22, 2018, 10:56:06 AM
Gateway Panini's is apparently staying put. 
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Post by: YABO713 on February 22, 2018, 10:58:48 AM
Gateway Panini's is apparently staying put. 

That's interesting. What's wild to me is that Brickstone appears to be vacant for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: Clefan98 on February 22, 2018, 11:01:44 AM
Gateway Panini's is apparently staying put. 

This Panini's is closing up at the end of year when their lease expires.  I heard about this directly from the owner.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: YABO713 on February 22, 2018, 11:04:41 AM
^That will put some employees in a precarious position... no?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: viscomi on February 22, 2018, 11:04:56 AM
Gateway Panini's is apparently staying put. 

This Panini's is closing up at the end of year when their lease expires.  I heard about this directly from the owner.

Fair enough. Owner > Bartender
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: jjames0408 on February 23, 2018, 01:55:33 AM
^That will put some employees in a precarious position... no?
Isn't it just moving to Prospect and Ontario?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: RJF29 on February 23, 2018, 07:13:27 PM
Has anyone heard of interested developers for the surface lot on the southeast corner of Carnegie and East 9th?  Given it’s proximity to Progressive Field I would think it would have to be coveted for vertical development with a sports bar component in the lower levels.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: Cleburger on February 23, 2018, 07:38:43 PM
Has anyone heard of interested developers for the surface lot on the southeast corner of Carnegie and East 9th?  Given it’s proximity to Progressive Field I would think it would have to be coveted for vertical development with a sports bar component in the lower levels.

Do you mean the northeast?  Isn't the SE corner a BP?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: Larry1962 on February 23, 2018, 07:43:53 PM
Correct
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Post by: RJF29 on February 23, 2018, 07:46:50 PM
Whoops.. yes I did mean NE
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: jmc8651 on February 23, 2018, 08:43:05 PM
I doubt anything will get developed there in the near future. Rising occupancy downtown is putting more pressure on parking and outlying lots are starting to fill up and raise their rates.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on February 23, 2018, 09:09:07 PM
I doubt anything will get developed there in the new future. Rising occupancy downtown is putting more pressure on parking and outlying lots are starting to fill up and raise their rates.


Great. So that will cause downtown rents to rise and push tenants out of downtown. If we had decent transit, it could keep downtown rents high while restraining or decreasing the value of parking lots.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: skorasaurus on February 24, 2018, 05:37:42 PM
Has anyone heard of interested developers for the surface lot on the southeast corner of Carnegie and East 9th?  Given it’s proximity to Progressive Field I would think it would have to be coveted for vertical development with a sports bar component in the lower levels.

I think that may be one of the last surface lots downtown to develop (if ever) because its proximity to the Jake. That area is unfortunately a dead zone with the freeway there and the Jake which is vacant 6 months of the year which deters foot traffic during the off times of the year.

Regarding the bar idea: there's been numerous sports bars (alice coopers, brickstone, just for 2 names), at the southeast corner of Boliver and 9th over the past 15 years but they tend to only survive a year or 2 and close because there's honestly not enough foot traffic over that area despite the two arenas in other parts of downtown. My guess is that a slight majority of the attendees (to the Q and jake) enter on the northern sides of the entrances.

Heck, TRI-C's parking garage (right across from the Jake) is already paid off after being built within the past 10 years because of the parking revenue of baseball games.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on February 24, 2018, 05:48:38 PM
I've often wondered why a parking deck wasn't built on the northeast corner of Carnegie and East 9th.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: Pugu on February 24, 2018, 06:53:50 PM
Isn't there a BP station at the SE corner of 9 and Carnegie? Did it close?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on February 24, 2018, 06:55:19 PM
Yes. No.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: RJF29 on February 24, 2018, 08:13:22 PM
There is, I meant NE.. my mistake
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Post by: Clefan98 on March 09, 2018, 05:20:53 PM
Robek's juice bar is opening in the former City News & Gifts spot.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: viscomi on March 09, 2018, 05:43:38 PM
Something new is going into E 8th spot (a-bar, black dog, one before that is escaping me ). Sign was being installed today, but all I could read was something with an 8 on the end. Maybe someone here knows more?
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: Pugu on March 09, 2018, 06:17:23 PM
^It was Machu Pichu. Peruvian restaurant. It unfortunately closed before I was able to try it!
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: cfdwarrior on March 09, 2018, 10:29:08 PM
It was a good restaurant, good Peruvian food....if it was opening in today's climate downtown it would have done better.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: tj111 on March 12, 2018, 11:43:16 AM
A-bar was pretty solid - good food and beer with in a comfortable environment, I tucked in several times when a lot of downtown was too busy.  The location makes it difficult, but hopefully the undoing was just the name last time.  I talked to the owner right when they opened and he said something to the affect of "we want to be at the top of the list when people look for bars in Cleveland", implying people look at things alphabetically anymore.  "A bar Cleveland" was impossible to Google for, as it just showed a list of all the bars in town.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: KJP on March 12, 2018, 11:47:10 AM
I used to work in the City Club building and I never understood why the restaurant du jour in the back didn't have a prominent sign on the front of the building. Just because it's in the back doesn't mean it can't have a presence on Euclid Avenue.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: YABO713 on March 12, 2018, 12:05:04 PM
I used to work in the City Club building and I never understood why the restaurant du jour in the back didn't have a prominent sign on the front of the building. Just because it's in the back doesn't mean it can't have a presence on Euclid Avenue.

Call me crazy, but I think that spot should go the OPPOSITE direction. No signage, no wall paint, nothing.

Just make it a "well-known secret" style speakeasy. Specialize the place in high-end cocktails, reduce the food to just small bites. A Velvet Tango Room of sorts Downtown
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: TPH2 on March 12, 2018, 12:36:07 PM
Something new is going into E 8th spot (a-bar, black dog, one before that is escaping me ). Sign was being installed today, but all I could read was something with an 8 on the end. Maybe someone here knows more?

http://captiv8cleveland.com

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYDbAJJUMAAxbiV.jpg)

Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: freefourur on March 12, 2018, 12:38:29 PM
A-bar was pretty solid - good food and beer with in a comfortable environment, I tucked in several times when a lot of downtown was too busy.  The location makes it difficult, but hopefully the undoing was just the name last time.  I talked to the owner right when they opened and he said something to the affect of "we want to be at the top of the list when people look for bars in Cleveland", implying people look at things alphabetically anymore.  "A bar Cleveland" was impossible to Google for, as it just showed a list of all the bars in town.

Are people looking things up in the phone book or something?   ;D
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: freefourur on March 12, 2018, 12:39:21 PM
I used to work in the City Club building and I never understood why the restaurant du jour in the back didn't have a prominent sign on the front of the building. Just because it's in the back doesn't mean it can't have a presence on Euclid Avenue.

I like this idea.  They could even put a menu out on Euclid Avenue. Similar to how Hodge's does it.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: BigDipper 80 on March 12, 2018, 12:54:16 PM
^^^ "Potato bar"?! I think Cleveland may have jumped the shark...
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: Oldmanladyluck on March 12, 2018, 01:01:40 PM
That actually made me laugh!  Interesting though...
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: jam40jeff on March 12, 2018, 01:05:27 PM
CAPTYV8?  *groan*
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: freefourur on March 12, 2018, 01:05:48 PM
What exactly is a potato bar?

I am assuming like a salad bar but with potatoes and various toppings
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: jam40jeff on March 12, 2018, 01:10:30 PM
What exactly is a potato bar?

I am assuming like a salad bar but with potatoes and various toppings

Looks like it...

http://captiv8cleveland.com/

Also...looks like they consider the martini glass to be an I and not a Y.
Title: Re: Cleveland: Downtown: Gateway District: Development and News
Post by: l0psidedfrock on March 12, 2018, 01:11:53 PM
is this an elaborate premature april fool?
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Post by: l0psidedfrock on March 12, 2018, 01:13:34 PM
http://captiv8cleveland.com/about/
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Post by: YABO713 on March 12, 2018, 01:22:05 PM
As an Irish American, I could honestly eat potatoes at every meal so I'm all in here.
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Post by: KJP on March 12, 2018, 01:31:55 PM
Call me crazy, but I think that spot should go the OPPOSITE direction. No signage, no wall paint, nothing.

Just make it a "well-known secret" style speakeasy. Specialize the place in high-end cocktails, reduce the food to just small bites. A Velvet Tango Room of sorts Downtown

Spoken to the shadowy figure on the other side of the sliding peep hole...."Sweeney sent me"
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Post by: surfohio on March 12, 2018, 02:02:49 PM
I remember the “mash potini” concept from like 10 years ago. It’s gimicky, but who knows it could work.

BYW I think Yabo has the right idea. Anti-advertising approach would work out well in that space. Or how about the WILD EAGLE SALOON II haha.
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Post by: w28th on March 12, 2018, 02:57:59 PM
When bars try to make clever spellings with words it's never a good sign for their long term survival. Just an observ8-ion.
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Post by: Oldmanladyluck on March 12, 2018, 03:44:22 PM
^You need to stop being such a h8er
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Post by: Cleburger on March 12, 2018, 05:51:05 PM
I thought naming bars like that went away in the 8eaze?
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Post by: Firenze98 on March 13, 2018, 05:33:27 PM
Could be a gr8 concept and I wonder if it will be open L8.
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Post by: Larry1962 on March 13, 2018, 09:58:00 PM
OMG
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Post by: Mov2Ohio on March 14, 2018, 02:22:34 PM
I remember the “mash potini” concept from like 10 years ago. It’s gimicky, but who knows it could work.

BYW I think Yabo has the right idea. Anti-advertising approach would work out well in that space. Or how about the WILD EAGLE SALOON II haha.

Already being taken in Broadview Heights. Lol.
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Post by: Larry1962 on March 14, 2018, 10:17:31 PM
Really?
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Post by: dave2017 on March 17, 2018, 06:01:46 AM
https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/news/local_news/red-restaurant-group-sells-downtown-space/article_f790affe-220d-11e8-abd2-07c04f71c5c0.html

RED Restaurant Group sells downtown space
BECKY RASPE | SPECIAL SECTIONS STAFF REPORTER
braspe@cjn.org

Red Restaurant Group is seeing changes as it sells the downtown Cleveland location of RED, The Steakhouse.

According to Brad Friedlander, founder of RED Restaurant Group, he sold the second Northeast Ohio location to the group’s partner company, YLT, however he and current employees of the location will still remain involved.

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Post by: TPH2 on June 15, 2018, 04:56:21 PM
Southern Tier Brewing Co. to open brewery, tasting room in downtown Cleveland
http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180118/news/149026/southern-tier-brewing-co-open-brewery-tasting-room-downtown-cleveland

I recently heard that Southern Tier will be opening on July 11th.
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Post by: KJP on August 04, 2018, 09:09:04 AM
Stella's Music Club to open in downtown Cleveland on Aug. 11
http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180803/news/170756/stellas-music-club-open-downtown-cleveland-aug-11
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Post by: tklg on August 09, 2018, 10:12:07 AM
New Mural?  Halle Building Garage - West Wall

(http://IMG_0892.jpg)
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Post by: Dougal on August 09, 2018, 02:08:23 PM
New Mural?  Halle Building Garage - West Wall

If you install the free app "FRONT: Canvas City" (for Apple phones and tablets, available in Apple's app store) it will show you the murals planned as part of the FRONT triennial exhibit for the east and west walls of the Halle Building as well as other FRONT-associated murals around town.
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Post by: simplythis on August 30, 2018, 02:28:38 PM
Southern Tier Brewing Co Opens. https://www.wkyc.com/gallery/news/photos-first-look-inside-southern-tier-brewing-co/95-588808906 
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Post by: YABO713 on August 30, 2018, 02:31:08 PM
^Cannot stress enough what an amazing add this is to Gateway
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Post by: simplythis on August 30, 2018, 02:37:19 PM
Does anyone know what used to be in this retail space?  Isn't this the comedy club building?
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Post by: YABO713 on August 30, 2018, 02:37:59 PM
Does anyone know what used to be in this retail space?  Isn't this the comedy club building?

It was that failed steak house for a little over a year, 811 or something?
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Post by: StapHanger on August 30, 2018, 02:39:26 PM
^Which inhabited the failed comedy club building.
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Post by: freefourur on August 30, 2018, 02:40:35 PM
^ Did the comedy club ever exist there? I know the space was built for one but I'm not sure it ever opened.
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Post by: Pugu on August 30, 2018, 02:45:09 PM
I miss the Standard.
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Post by: StapHanger on August 30, 2018, 02:46:08 PM
^^Correct. Someone spent a lot of money building that thing for a particular comedy club (which produced an awful building), but the club never moved in. It's been a very nice improvement to see the building opened up a bit for restaurant/bar tenants.
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Post by: Pugu on August 30, 2018, 03:05:57 PM
I miss the Standard.

For those of you who don't remember or are too young, 811 Prospect was the Standard Theater. It showed "art" films in the 70s and 80s. It was eventually torn down and the current  structure was built in its place.

"This downtown Cleveland theatre, which was sort of out of the way on Prospect Avenue, was opened June 12, 1914 as the Standard Theatre. In later years it was mainly a venue for adult pornographic films, although it had shown mainstream films early in its life. The Standard Theatre closed in 1989. The theatre had shown black-oriented action films briefly in the early-1980’s. It was demolished in 1995."


Here are some photos:

http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/7458
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/7458/photos/206718
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/7458/photos/206716
http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/7458/photos/158555
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Post by: w28th on August 30, 2018, 03:09:57 PM
Yep, that’s what a porno theater looks like.
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Post by: Pugu on August 30, 2018, 03:15:49 PM
^It wasn't always that type of theater--only in its final years. Floors were always sticky for some reason.  A sample of the earlier years:

http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/7458/photos/192840
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Post by: KJP on September 20, 2018, 12:06:29 AM
Something special is brewing on Prospect Ave... Thanks Spry and @stbcbeer_cle for hosting the @dtCLEresidents in your beautiful new digs. I left inspired to keep connecting Downtowners to their neighborhood assets...but maybe that was the cherry cordial stout
https://twitter.com/Josh_CLE/status/1042607700230774785?s=19
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Post by: Cavalier Attitude on September 20, 2018, 05:29:15 PM
Southern Tier was pretty packed yesterday before the game, but service was still fast, so that's good. Just wish they had a Happy Hour discount of some sort.