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Re: Cleveland/Lakewood: The Edge developments
« Reply #60 on: August 29, 2005, 09:17:48 PM »
i agree, though, that simple maintenance like that can make a huge difference to perceived safety and the feeling that someone is actually looking out for you.  On the other hand, those lights sure are high up in the air!  How do you change one of those anyways???

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Re: Cleveland/Lakewood: The Edge developments
« Reply #61 on: August 29, 2005, 09:36:00 PM »
So, I'm not saying their fears are warranted and I agree with you urban grit comment.

However, on the other hand, I think one of the best ways to improve transit is to get as many people from suburbs/inner suburbs/non-transit people to take advantage of it - and not just for big events.† If ridership could slowly increase through TOD and basic maintenance like station washing and light bulb replacement, then i think there can be a slow wave of ridership building up.† At some point there would almost always be so many people waiting for trains that you wouldn't notice that there were a few lights out or that the stairs were almost rusted through.  I've been in plenty of dumpy stations world wide, and a lot of ours aren't that bad.   These are basic, inexpensive things that don't get close to what I want as a frequent transit rider (basic schedules posted, real time arrival at main stations, all cars open on red line all day, etc.)

Again in my mind, these are basic things - things that any well run business would always do.† you wouldn't often see an inner city store chain (or a walmart parking lot in the suburbs) with lights missing in their parking lot or entry way.† For whatever reason, I don't think RTA is thinking of their stations as assets and magnets for ridership, but only as maintenance liabilities, and RTA doesn't seem particularly proactive in keeping up these investments through ongoing maintenance.

Maybe this is an extension of an "adopt a station" mentality.  If a group from each neighborhood actually alerted the RTA to these problems and volunteered to help monthly or quarterly to wash/paint/clean, i think this would make a big difference.   Perhaps an RTA column in some local newspaper?  There are plently of traffic related columns that run weekly, but  i haven't seen a  weekly column on rail/bus issues in northeast ohio. 

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Re: Cleveland/Lakewood: The Edge developments
« Reply #62 on: August 30, 2005, 06:07:37 PM »
OK, I'm game. I'd be happy to do one for Sun.

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Re: Cleveland/Lakewood: The Edge developments
« Reply #63 on: August 31, 2005, 11:04:02 PM »
Go for it, KJP, you'd be great.  Got a name for your column: "Talking Transit."

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Re: Cleveland/Lakewood: The Edge developments
« Reply #64 on: September 01, 2005, 07:04:55 AM »
Perhaps a first topic would be the clusterf#ck that has become the 55 line   :whip:

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« Reply #65 on: September 01, 2005, 02:46:59 PM »
What's up MayDay? Are you referring to the half-hour frequencies during the day? If so, I was disappointed to learn that the 20-minute headways were reduced to 30 minutes. But I don't have a problem with the rush-hour service. There's a local and express bus alternating every 5 minutes.

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Re: Cleveland/Lakewood: The Edge developments
« Reply #66 on: September 01, 2005, 02:52:14 PM »
Oh, and to bring us back to this thread's original topic...

http://www.cleveland.com/sun/westsidesunnews/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1125000446237130.xml&coll=3

Station to be replaced
Thursday, August 25, 2005
By DAVID PLATA
West Side Sun News

The aging Regional Transit Authority station on West 117th Street will be torn down beginning in about a month, then replaced with a new and larger station.

The RTA board on Tuesday awarded the entire $4.6 million contract to Ohio Diversified Services Inc. The amount is 8.8 percent lower than an earlier $5.1 million estimate.

The station, at West 117th and Madison Avenue in Cleveland, bordering Lakewood, was built in the 1950s, when the Red Line, moving passengers between downtown and Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, was built.

Officials first intended to replace the station more than a decade ago, but the project was delayed while work went ahead on the Waterfront Line, the Triskett Station renovation and other projects. Former Lakewood Mayor Madeline Cain, at the time an RTA trustee, four years ago dismissed an early design as too futuristic, looking like a space station.

The new plans, with design cues taken from the UCAR Building across West 117th Street _ made of red brick with rounded windows _ were drawn up by Bialosky & Partners of Shaker Square.

It's supposed to look like an early industrial building or a power plant, said Maribeth Feke, RTA director of programming and planning. That's sort of what it's reminiscent of. It does fit really well with that building.

Feke said the station will remain open during the work, which will be completed in about two years.

It'll be tricky, because we have a lot of construction phasing, she said. It's going to be very difficult to keep that station under operation, but we are.

She said the existing station is small and somewhat hidden by the rail bridge over West 117th. She said the new station, taller and rounder, will be more visible. The bridge itself will be repainted, she said.

And she said the ugly canopies along West 117th Street will be removed and replaced with landscaping and new shelters on both sides of the street.

We worked with both the city of Lakewood and the city of Cleveland on the station, Feke said.

The station is used by about 700 rail passengers every day, said Jerry Masek, RTA spokesman.

Feke said the number of parking spaces will remain the same, at about 145.

The station is a connecting point for the 804 Lakewood Circulator and three regular bus routes _ the 75X, 50 and 25.

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Re: Cleveland/Lakewood: The Edge developments
« Reply #67 on: October 06, 2005, 02:26:36 PM »
Sounds good so far...

Church is sold Marous will redevelop site

Thursday, October 06, 2005

By DAVID PLATA

West Side Sun News

A year after they were supposed to sign a one-year option to buy the former Fifth Church of Christ, Scientist, Marous Brothers Construction finally inked the agreement this week.

The agreement lets the Willoughby-based company, one of the premier builders in the Cleveland area, explore options to redevelop the more than 80-year-old octagonal sandstone building, at West 117th Street, the border with Lakewood.

It takes two to tango, said Councilman Jay Westbrook, D-18, in whose ward the building is located. They took longer than we anticipated to complete their initial due diligence.†

Chip Marous, company president, did not return a call for comment.

Ownership of the church, which has stood empty more than a decade, reverted to the city after another developer, Landmark Square Ltd., couldn't follow through on development plans more than a year ago.

In the meantime, Westbrook said, Marous completed some $120,000 in emergency repairs at its cost _ including patching a leaky roof and correcting water damage inside the building.

Marous has completed or is involved in several major projects on the West Side, including redevelopment of the former West Tech High School as West Tech Lofts, and redevelopment of the former Eveready Battery site on West 73rd Street as the $100 million Battery Park, including townhouses, condos and apartments.

Now, Westbrook said, Marous is to look at ways to redevelop not only the church building, but also the commercial strip fronting on Clifton Boulevard between West 117th and the Giant Eagle supermarket at West 116th Street.

The supermarket is expected to shut down in at the end of next year and move to West 117th Street next to Interstate 90, where Rysar Properties is building a 123,800-square-foot Target and an 87,325-square-foot Giant Eagle.

Westbrook said conceptual plans now will include more residential units than were planned a year ago. At the time, preliminary plans envisioned up to 17 condominiums and six townhouses, along with an expanded Giant Eagle.

The plans now discard a supermarket component, but include more housing and smaller retail uses.

The plans now could include up to 30 or more housing units, Westbrook said.

While the neighborhood will be left without a supermarket, Anita Brindza, director of Cudell Improvement Inc., the local nonprofit development group, said she would like Marous to find alternative specialty markets that would cater to local pedestrian shoppers, also possibly including pet shops, clothing and other retail shops.

We also would like to see small individual business people, she said. That's been the backbone of Clifton Boulevard for years and years. There are many small specialty retailers _ independents, not chain stores _ that have done very well there.


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Re: Cleveland/Lakewood: The Edge developments
« Reply #68 on: October 06, 2005, 09:01:46 PM »
I don't get big bookstores constantly thumbing their noses at urbanized Cleveland.  We in Shaker Sq. are still reeling from Joseph-Beth abandoning the square's beautiful 2-story facility for boring/sterile Legacy Village, (also, while punking the Square, J-B built a big store in Pittsburgh's urban Southside neighborhood -- why does it seem businesses are always out to screw Cleveland?)  ... which, to date, I still boycott Legacy Village and J-B for this very reason.  Indy bookstore Loganberry's is nice, on Larchemere is nice and we do support it... We have no large/quality bookstores in downtown; in Ohio City (though I love indy cubbyhole the Bookstore on 25th), or U. Circle, and so on...

... The church, in the heart of Edgewater/Gold Coast would be an excellent area for a Borders or Barnes.  But they keep spinning this "oversaturated" crap as a ruse, because we all know it's exactly the opposite here.

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« Reply #69 on: October 07, 2005, 09:22:37 AM »
I agree with you clvlndr... I loved taking the rapid to Shaker Square to shop at Joseph Beth and now they sport these ads in the papers that say something like "shop at Cleveland's independent bookseller" at freakin Legacy Village!!!  Bookstores don't need to be huge to be successful, but so many of the chains are subscribing to the same economies of scale that the big-boxes are...minimum square footages that they can't find in the city and what not.  But really, what was the problem at Shaker Square???  It was beautiful, historic, accessible, and HUGE!!! 

So, that option appears to be dead on W.117.  I hope they find a good function for the church and that the continued growth in the housing stock nearby will eventually lure more specialty shops.  I would love to see a green grocer over there and I feel like those can function every 50 blocks or so.  Have one on 117th and another on 65th (I've already got the site picked out) and we've already got pretty good options down on W. 25th, so no problem there.  But definitely in Tremont!

Anyways, I love Marous and more power to them!

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« Reply #70 on: October 07, 2005, 09:46:08 AM »
I agree with both of you.  In the next three years, there should be a Barnes & Noble at the Corner of Euclid and Ford.  That will be a start.  Cleveland needs and deserves better book stores.

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« Reply #71 on: October 07, 2005, 10:28:17 AM »
absolutely!  And if a university retail district can't support it, I don't know who can!  On that note, I believe CSU's bookstore is run by B&N as well and they're planning for a significant expansion as part of the CSU master plan.  Go college!

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« Reply #72 on: October 07, 2005, 11:14:22 AM »
CSU's bookstore will be a B&N.

Clvndr.  I agree with you about J-B.  and to this date i've only been to Legacy Village ONCE and that was at 10PM.  I drove thru and  was like...its a faux shaker square, with no soul.

I will never shop at J-B just like I will never step foot in a Dillard's.  NEVA!!

The Marous guys are great.  It seems they've been busy and haven't let the district park setback deter them.  I hope they could do some highrise & high density projects on the east side in thh 20s/30s/40's especiall the bluff area.  Some cool highrises there would get alot of attention.

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« Reply #73 on: October 07, 2005, 11:42:35 AM »
The easiest stuff to do on the near east side is warehouse conversion on superior. It starts from about where the plane dealer is to the innerbelt. Some of the buildings appear to be ~slightly~ converted into some live/work spaces, but others are still used for some type of warehousing/light industry. That being said, I don't think that is happening anytime soon. There seems to be alot more focus on the near west side fo town, than the east side. I see that area booming when CSU  swollows up all of their surface lots with student housing/university buildings, as an area for students to live off-campus

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« Reply #74 on: October 15, 2005, 06:37:32 PM »
From the 10/13/05 West Side Sun News:


Rapid rebuild coming to 117th
Thursday, October 13, 2005
By DAVID PLATA
West Side Sun News


A metalized ceramic mural, designed by Brinsley Tyrell, the Ravenna artist who designed parts of the memorial to fallen police and firefighters on Rocky River Drive, will be a part of the rebuilt RTA station at West 117th Street and Madison Avenue.

A $4.7 million reconstruction of the historic station, in Cleveland but on the border with Lakewood, began Tuesday and is to be completed in two years.

The mural will depict scenes from the station's past, beginning with its opening in 1955, when it was the western terminus of the Red Line. It will be placed in the pedestrian tunnel to make it a more delightful space, said John Goodworth, RTA project manager.
     
Tyrell, a retired art professor at Kent State University, designed the metal fencing and sculptures, depicting police and firefighting scenes, atop the West Park Cleveland Police and Firefighters Memorial. The sculpture runs along most of the length of the stone mural and walkway overlooking the Metroparks valley.

The station will be renamed Highland Square at West 117th Street, a reference to a neighborhood name used in the 1800s.

Ohio Diversified Services Inc. was awarded the entire contract. The company's bid was 8.8 percent lower than the $5.1 million estimate.

The station, used by about 700 rail passengers daily and a connecting point for the 804 Lakewood Circulator and three regular bus routes - the 75X, 50 and 25 - will remain open during the work.

Plans to rebuild the aging station had been percolating for more than a decade. But the work was delayed while other projects, including the Waterfront Line, the Triskett Station renovation and others, went ahead.

Four years ago, then-Lakewood Mayor Madeline Cain, at the time also an RTA trustee, dismissed an early station design as too futuristic, looking like a space station.

The new design, by Bialosky & Partners of Shaker Square, was inspired by the UCAR Building across West 117th in Lakewood, looking somewhat like an early industrial building or a power plant.

The work will entail replacing the existing station, which is small and somewhat hidden by the rail bridge over West 117th, with a taller and rounder building, which will be more visible.

Other improvements include expanding the parking area to 170 spaces, installing a large, quick elevator with glass panels, a heated platform-level waiting area, new canopies between the station and waiting buses, and an energy-efficient neon light, with the RTA logo, atop the station.

http://www.cleveland.com/sun/westsidesunnews/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1129225314250360.xml&coll=3

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Re: Cleveland/Lakewood: The Edge developments
« Reply #75 on: October 29, 2005, 09:00:15 AM »
I think that it is unlikely.  They have plenty of land that isn't prohibitively expensive.  Same at Steelyard Commons.  Honestly, though, something like this is what I had been hoping for at E.4th and Prospect.  A multifloor Target, with smaller retail on the ground floor and a structured parking garage.  It could even have been stacked with a multifloor Best Buy or something else above it.

But I agree that what you've shown here would have been better than what is proposed.

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« Reply #76 on: October 29, 2005, 11:05:16 AM »
Will someone please RESPOND with information regarding any upcoming CITY HALL meetings on THIS DEVELOPMENT

it is a symptom and a cause of Cleveland's low self-esteem about itself when projects like this one (designed for the suburbs) get built in the city.

This is CLEVELAND.  We should strive for the BEST DESIGN not some cookie cutter suburban CRAP

whoever, know, please respond with date's of upcoming design/review meetings....PLEASE.

i will contact bob brown and see if i can find out anything.

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« Reply #77 on: October 29, 2005, 11:48:17 AM »
I think that it is unlikely.† They have plenty of land that isn't prohibitively expensive.† Same at Steelyard Commons.† Honestly, though, something like this is what I had been hoping for at E.4th and Prospect.† A multifloor Target, with smaller retail on the ground floor and a structured parking garage.† It could even have been stacked with a multifloor Best Buy or something else above it.

But I agree that what you've shown here would have been better than what is proposed.

I agree somewhat.† Its in the middle of downtown.† Why do we need another parking structure included?

we've got to start weening people off of parking get them to start walking and using public transportatation.† We've got to try to change the mindset of those in the region.

I am against any parking lots within a 30 block radiuss of public square or ANY proposed highways in the city proper!  :x

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« Reply #78 on: October 29, 2005, 12:43:05 PM »
Planning Commission meetings are held at 9 a.m. at the first and third Thursdays of each month. In fact, I encourage anyone from the Greater Cleveland area who is interested in urban redevelopment and design to attend at least one of these meetings. Here is where you get the first official notice of new development and redevelopment projects in the city, and get to see architectural renderings, site plans, maps and other cool stuff that churns the gears of New Urbanist freaks like me.
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« Reply #79 on: October 29, 2005, 02:33:52 PM »
Well put KJP.  We are all freaks here on UrbanOhio.  But then again we could have worse issues.  Cities and new urbanism items are awesome.  Go Density!!! :-D

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« Reply #80 on: October 29, 2005, 05:20:34 PM »
Here's to density!

I haven't heard mention of this anywhere but on here...but I'll be sure to post if I do!

I love that Target is going this route...I've been to the one in Brooklyn (quite a bit, actually!) and the one in University Heights on Cleveland's East Side.  They're both totally functional and fit in so much better to the existing landscape.  The issue about blank walls on the sidewalk is still an issue, but many old department stores remedies this with little window boxes where they'd showcase some of what was inside... perhaps Target will start to utilize these?  Anyway, I don't know enough about this neighborhood or this project to really comment, but I hope they do go for best design practice, as it makes for the most profitable developments in the long-run!

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Re: Cleveland/Lakewood: The Edge developments
« Reply #81 on: October 30, 2005, 08:31:08 AM »
KJP, I believe the Planning Commission meets first and third Fridays. Design reviews are held Thursdays.

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« Reply #82 on: October 30, 2005, 11:39:15 AM »
Oops! Thanks for the save!
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« Reply #83 on: October 31, 2005, 09:12:04 AM »
here is a look at the development site courtesy of google earth

can someone please take this image and highlight the area to be developed?  does anyone actually know what the proposed siteplan is?  i have been in contact with the planning commission and will let everyone know of any new information i find out. I realy like KJP suggestion of attending the planning commission meetings.  we must no longer tolerate such low standards for development.

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Re: Cleveland/Lakewood: The Edge developments
« Reply #84 on: October 31, 2005, 09:53:59 AM »
The short, text-answer (I believe) is that it's everything between the interstate north to the Home Depot store. That includes the residential areas on Elmwood, Sector, West 120th, etc., plus the self-storage facility and the Highland Party Center immediately north of the residences. In addition to a new Target will be a Giant Eagle store, relocated from Clifton and West 116th Street.

If a new-urbanist Target and grocery store were built, both could fit where the party center and self-storage facility are located -- possibly without demolishing the neighborhood.
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« Reply #85 on: October 31, 2005, 09:56:18 AM »
^all the homes between Sector and I-90 will be torn down.  I am not sure about the space between Sector and the Home Depot.

There certainly is a lot of commericial space going up in Cleveland. 

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« Reply #86 on: November 02, 2005, 10:02:41 AM »
Information from the Cleveland Planning Commission in quotes, below:

"Our West 117th Street BRD Design Review Committee meets on the 2nd and 4th Wednesdays of every month, when there is something on the agenda. It is held at the offices of Cudell Improvement, located at 11650 Detroit Avenue."

Contact Cudell Improvement  http://www.cleveland.oh.us/cudell/contact.htm  to see if there is a need for a meeting


"As far as my personal thoughts on the Target proposal, I think that we have done a good job through the design review committee and the City Planning Commission. Many things were discussed, and Target, through their agent, explained to us what areas were not open to discussion (such as building placement) and we started from there. Our committee was more focused on potential truck traffic concerns with the surrounding industrial area, while I personally stressed incorporation of sustainable design elements, and the Planning Commission strongly supported my efforts. We are currently advocating placement of an RTA shelter on an outlot of the development, with pedestrian access clearly delineated on the site plan. But our ability to make these kinds of things happen stems more from good-faith negotiations than regulatory authority. However, at the end of the day, I think we will receive a much better product" than we would have if we didnít have design review authority."

Any thoughts on this??
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« Reply #87 on: November 02, 2005, 10:31:33 AM »
sounds pretty weak

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« Reply #88 on: November 06, 2005, 10:34:41 AM »
I found this article from the Chicagoland Bicycle Federation and thought it was applicable to this development (as well as many others)....

http://www.biketraffic.org/biketraffic/BT1101/

The Moat of Parking
By Payton Chung

The lords of medieval castles dug moats to keep invaders out. Today, many shopping centers and office complexes seem to have the same mentality ó but, instead of keeping away marauding tribes of Visigoths, itís cyclists, pedestrians, and transit patrons who are being kept away.

The number of parking lots built to accommodate driving customers has grown, surrounding many buildings in impenetrable moats of asphalt, access roads, and landscaping. A typical mall in the suburbs might sit in a sea of parking five times as large as the mall itself, and the ratios are similar for offices and schools.

Communities across Chicagoland are working to remedy this problem. The city of Chicago requires any new store be built alongside streets and requires that parking be placed behind or beside the building.

PACE, the bike-friendly suburban bus network, reviews site plans (for free!) and recommends ways for developments to be friendly to transit riders. Solutions include, continuous sidewalks (sheltered by trees) through parking aisles, painting crosswalks, discouraging high speed turns with tight corners and T intersections, reducing the total number of curb cuts, and placing buildings so that they address the street, rather than the parking lot.

At the same time, itís often the municipalitiesí requirements that force developers to build parking lots. Almost all new developments must include parking spaces, and the numbers can be absurdly high óó shopping malls must provide enough spaces for day-after-Thanksgiving crowds, all year.

Having adjacent buildings share parking lots could cut huge parking lots down to a more manageable size. Bringing buildings closer to one another, making it possible for people to bike or walk between buildings, would eliminate the short car trips which create a disproportionate share of the regionís air pollution and traffic congestion.

Making parking scarce can also discourage people from driving; surveys show that the expense of parking downtown is a major reason why people ride CTA.

Parking lots donít have to be moats girdling our buildings. Instead, smart planning can welcome both those arriving by car and those arriving on bikes, feet, or buses.

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« Reply #89 on: November 24, 2005, 11:04:33 AM »
Demolition set for new center Target opening is a year away
Thursday, November 24, 2005
By DAVID PLATA
West Side Sun News

Demolition is expected to begin in January for construction of the $50 million Target and Giant Eagle retail development at West 117th Street, just north of Interstate 90.

The last person moves out the end of January, said Ken Lurie, president of Rysar Properties, the project developer.

All told, 109 houses will be torn down for the project, as well as the Highland Party Center.

A groundbreaking on the 20-acre site, on the west side of West 117th, will be held shortly after residents are moved out.

Target is planning on being open in October 2006, Lurie said. They have a lot of work to do.

The 123,800-square-foot Target will be the company's first store in Cleveland; the closest one now is in Rocky River.

With the project, Giant Eagle will open an 87,325-square-foot store and close its store at West 116th Street and Clifton Boulevard. Sapell's Bi-Rite, across West 117th Street in Lakewood, will remain as the only supermarket in that area.

Councilwoman Dona Brady, D-19, in whose ward the project is taking place, said Sector Avenue will remain where it is and will be the major entrance into the development. The project also will include a Getgo gas station, where Giant Eagle customers will be able to buy gas at a discount.

Brady said discussions are under way with the Regional Transit Authority to bring a Circulator bus to the site.

The street is so far away from the store, she said. You can't expect people to get off a bus and walk that distance.

She said the stores will be about half a block or further away from West 117th.

City Council last summer approved a $6 million loan to help with the property buy-outs.

Lurie said Rysar paid some $17.8 million for the properties, including the city loan.

Residents were paid about 30 percent more for their properties than their real value, Lurie has said, in part because Brady said all along she would not support use of eminent domain, the legal procedure that lets municipalities buy property at fair market value for public purposes.

The $6 million loan was to help with the property buys. The money will be repaid by Target from taxes generated by the project.