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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #60 on: August 30, 2006, 03:42:02 PM »
^well, if its on the viaduct then its probably open to the public.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #61 on: August 30, 2006, 05:59:19 PM »
I heard it is an invitation thing, but perhaps it is only the reception after the announcement that has an invite involved  ... I have been verbally promised an invite, I won't hold my breath, and if KJP, isn't there, I promise to try and take notes unlike the Christmas party I was at last year with bob corna and forgot all the juicy details.  :drunk:   regardless if I am invited, I will crash it. it woulnt be the first time, I can assure you. I am guessing we all already know the scoop, but it will be fun to see if there is anything new.


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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #62 on: August 30, 2006, 08:56:53 PM »
it's on my Google calendar!

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #63 on: September 20, 2006, 11:59:55 AM »
 
Stonebridge developers planning 1,200 new homes in Flats
Wednesday, September 20, 2006 
12:08 p.m.

Tomorrow afternoon, at a ribbon-cutting for their next building, developers Doug Price and Bob Corna will announce plans for 1,200 new homes and an additional 650,000 square feet of office and retail space on the west bank of the Flats.

Scott Wolstein's redevelopment proposal for the east bank gets much of the buzz. But as Price observes from his perch across the river, "those guys don't even have a shovel in the ground."

Price and Corna already have about 400 housing units and another 108 under construction for the growing Stonebridge neighborhood on the west bank.

Stonebridge Place, which will include 100 townhouse lofts, will lead the Stonebridge's latter phases of development. Eventually, Price and Corna see the neighborhood extending north on Center Street and piggybacking off redevelopment plans they have for the Superior Viaduct.
 
http://www.cleveland.com/weblogs/business/index.ssf?/mtlogs/cleve_business/archives/2006_09.html#185711
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #64 on: September 20, 2006, 12:09:24 PM »
Is Stonebridge place what is currently under construction, or the next phase?

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2006, 12:11:17 PM »
holy crap!  in a good way

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #66 on: September 20, 2006, 12:25:30 PM »
Is Stonebridge place what is currently under construction, or the next phase?

Yes. Stonebridge is the whole line-up of apartment/condo buildings along the old Superior Viaduct. The same developers, plus David Jacobs (aka "Son of Dick"), are pushing this major expansion northward toward the lake. But we should hear more details about that tomorrow.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #67 on: September 20, 2006, 12:30:26 PM »
Do these guys have pre-construction sales requirements to meet, b/c you never hear of that when they announce their projects?  Maybe they just have the money up front to construct.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #68 on: September 20, 2006, 12:40:25 PM »
Do these guys have pre-construction sales requirements to meet, b/c you never hear of that when they announce their projects?  Maybe they just have the money up front to construct.

i think they had private money for the first building, made it apartments, then sold some off and used that money for the next phase.

other developers in cleveland should take note of their strategy and start small and keep growing.  there are 10 other areas near downtown where this type of approach would work - including many of the warehouse parking lots.    the legacy village/crocker park wholesale construction just doesn't work as well in the city. 

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #69 on: September 20, 2006, 12:56:25 PM »
Stonebridge is apparently what "Peachtree" is to Atlanta. Here's the breakdown:

Stonebridge Waterfront - (apartments) the first two buildings on the south side of the viaduct. They're the first two you see as you cross the swing bridge.

Stonebridge Center - 8-ish story office building with Ponte Vecchio and Cuyahoga County Engineer's office, north of the viaduct.

Stonebridge Towers - (condo) - the 12-story tower on the west end of the Detroit-Superior Bridge.

Stonebridge Plaza - (condo) - 12-story condo tower currently under construction.

Stonebridge Place - (townhomes) - this newly announced 100-townhome project.

Hope this helps :-)

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #70 on: September 20, 2006, 01:04:57 PM »
Seems like they are marketing Stonebridge Towers as Stonebridge Condominums now

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #71 on: September 20, 2006, 01:17:20 PM »
Goes without saying, but if someone can go with a camera, please try to get any pics of renderings/site plans they might have.

Thanks! :-)

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #72 on: September 20, 2006, 02:57:57 PM »
I just rsvp'd, so I'm locked in!  I can't stay for the whole thing, however...

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #73 on: September 20, 2006, 03:11:21 PM »
looks like gomez got a little confused.  here is the updated PD bit:


Stonebridge developers plan 1,500 new homes in Flats

12:08 p.m. (updated 3:06 p.m.)

The developers behind Stonebridge, already an unlikely success story on the west bank of the Flats, plan to add about 1,500 homes and 935,000 square feet of office and retail space to their growing neighborhood.

Architect Bob Corna and Doug Price, chief executive of K&D Group Inc., will announce the expansion tomorrow afternoon at a ribbon-cutting for the next two phases of their project.

http://www.cleveland.com/weblogs/business/index.ssf?/mtlogs/cleve_business/archives/2006_09.html#185711
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #74 on: September 20, 2006, 06:13:19 PM »
The PD posted a podcast interview with the Stonebridge people: http://www.cleveland.com/business/audio/index.ssf?/business/audio/kroll.html

I"m still trying to get it to work, lol. It was posted today, though.

edit: OH, snap, "wild dogs and dead bodies" =)

I LIKE WHAT CORNA IS SAYING! He wants to bring Tremont and Ohio City in there....cool.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #75 on: September 20, 2006, 06:52:49 PM »
Good stuff.  He gets it.  He also microwaves his lunch.

He even touches on a few hot button political issues...gambling & tax abatement.

I wonder what his residents...current & future...would think about placing a casino at the fore of future phases for the West Bank.


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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #76 on: September 20, 2006, 07:54:01 PM »
Some of the same, plus some new details and questions.  I was hoping someone was looking into a TIF district with all this development going on and it sounds like they're on top of it!

Big plans for west bank of Flats
Henry J. Gomez
Plain Dealer Reporter

The developers behind Stonebridge already an unlikely success story on the west bank of the Flats want to add about 1,500 homes and 935,000 square feet of office and retail space to their growing neighborhood.

Doug Price, chief executive of K&D Group Inc., and partner Bob Corna will announce the expansion this afternoon at a ribbon-cutting for the next two phases of their project.

I know this sounds a little Disneyland-ish, said Corna, who envisions glass elevators and a series of walkways that connect the west and east banks with Whiskey Island.

Then again, Corna said, the mere idea of the neighborhood seemed Disneyland-ish when he first proposed it more than 10 years ago. With about 500 housing units already built or under construction, Stonebridge has surprised its original skeptics.

Prices on the existing Stonebridge units, almost all of which have been sold or leased, range from $140,000 for a one-bedroom plan to more than $1 million for a penthouse suite....

http://search.cleveland.com/Big+plans+for+west+bank+of+Flats?date_range=all

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #77 on: September 21, 2006, 02:14:31 AM »
other developers in cleveland should take note of their strategy and start small and keep growing.  there are 10 other areas near downtown where this type of approach would work - including many of the warehouse parking lots.    the legacy village/crocker park wholesale construction just doesn't work as well in the city. 

Amen!  Corna/Price have the formula down so right, esp for this city.  Think how successful, say, Stark could be if he took Stronebridge's approach and built a couple small, new buildings fronting Johnson/Jobbers/Chamberlain block on W. 6th -- think of how much synergy good looking new buildings mixed in w/ the warehouses would create toward developing an ongoing colossus like what Stonebridge has become.  But nooo.  Stark, like others, want to generate this bank/public-funded home run.  Doesn't work that way in Cleveland.  It usually ends up with a bunch of selfish, bickering chef's who want their piece as well as the project developed in their image.  This town  very conservative, esp toward downtown and in-town trendy areas.  It's very difficult to build consensus and momentum in Cleveland the way other cities do.  Neighborhoods we consider hot have taken years, decades to get where they are (and most, like Ohio City, which we consider great by our standards are, but most big city standars, still quite a ways away from being 'there' yet ... Look at how slow even a short block like E.4th has taken, and only now its about half way there with the year-late Lola's opening... Cleveland's very conservative when it comes to high-impact/visibility positive development in the city -- unlike how the Crocker's, Legacy's, La Place's and Eton's are thrown up overnight... It's why Corna/Price smirk at big-splash Wolstein across the riv with his big splash/big pol/media event condo project that, going on 2 years later, hasn't turned a spade of dirt (Scott, like late daddy Bart never met a taxpayer cushion he didn't love)...

All I know is that since the 1st time I was (pleasantly) visually assaulted with the eye-catching Stonebridge apts 5 years ago at the foot of the Center swing bridge, I was excited, and had no doubt that the project would continue developing into the mega-compact/high-density mixed use project that it has become.  Is the Price/Corna approach rocket science or an innate gene in local developers to perpetually want to do the wrong thing?

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #78 on: September 21, 2006, 07:17:40 AM »
hmm are there any renderings up yet of whats to be built?

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #79 on: September 21, 2006, 07:22:07 AM »
I've not see them, but I will inquire this afternoon. They're supposed to be giving us a press packet, so we'll see what goodies are in there.

And Stark has never said he expects to see his downtown vision built all at once. He fully expects it will take decades to realize. But there needs to be a goal to shoot for, with a number of developers and elected officials lined to participate in achieving that goal. That's what he trying to do.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #80 on: September 21, 2006, 08:11:20 AM »
There is a graphic in the paper. I admit, the footprint for the future phases is not as big as I thought it would be.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #81 on: September 21, 2006, 08:28:52 AM »
There is a graphic in the paper. I admit, the footprint for the future phases is not as big as I thought it would be.
Maybe that means they're going to be tall then. 

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« Reply #82 on: September 21, 2006, 08:42:37 AM »
There is a graphic in the paper. I admit, the footprint for the future phases is not as big as I thought it would be.
Maybe that means they're going to be tall then. 

tall buildings next to parking lots don't make for a quaint neighborhood

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #83 on: September 21, 2006, 08:46:06 AM »
id say anything within 20 stories is ok.  plus there is an area where theres parking lots, and then theres an area where theres a lot of other smaller buildings further away from the river.  i'm hoping to see re-use and add-ons in the area where things are already built. 

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #84 on: September 21, 2006, 09:05:19 AM »
here's today's graphic from the PD:

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #85 on: September 21, 2006, 09:15:51 AM »
looks like lots of interior windows. 

tall and thin, with views from all rooms, please please please. 

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #86 on: September 21, 2006, 09:22:01 AM »
Long term, I think it will be interesting to see how upscale Stonebridge interacts with the almost adjacent public housing. Certainly not saying it won't work, as Ohio City and Tremont have enjoyed healthy housing values/retail starts in relative proximity to public housing, and I certainly hope it will work. Just think it's an interesting dynamic to have these footprints basically touching at about Mulberry and 25th.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #87 on: September 21, 2006, 09:22:12 AM »
We'll know more at the end of the day, but I'll say that I've been a tad concerned about the focus on Main Ave when the glut of surface parking is closer to the river and Powerhouse.  This could be a strategic move, leaving those spots for potential casino construction, but either way, there's no doubt in my mind that if this project continues to be successful, that it will spawn more development surrounding whatever footprint they've already laid out.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #88 on: September 21, 2006, 12:25:03 PM »
I received the press packet at the office this morning, and there is a detailed 11x17-inch diagram of the proposed development, including phasing. It looks like one of the block-sized parking areas (next to Main Avenue and Center Street) would be structured parking. I will have to verify that this evening. There also are a lot of streetscape features (walkways, promenades, etc) shown beyond the area of the new buildings shown in the PD graphic of the new buildings.

I won't be able to scan the image until later this evening, however. And since it is 11x17, I will have to scan in it sections so the details can be seen better.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #89 on: September 21, 2006, 12:41:08 PM »
Looking forward to it!