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Offline zaceman

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #150 on: May 02, 2007, 03:29:46 PM »
these other images seem interesting too.  one of them is even a picture of the lakefront...??  whats that about?

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #151 on: May 02, 2007, 03:40:48 PM »
Those luxury condominium towers look an awful lot a failed proposal for the County Administrative Building.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #152 on: May 02, 2007, 03:58:00 PM »
Does anyone know if the final overall project has any plans to better the connection to the rest of downtown? 

That lakefront rendering is very interesting.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #153 on: May 02, 2007, 04:50:01 PM »
So have they set any time tables???

Do they need to acquire a lot of land or just a little???

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #154 on: May 02, 2007, 05:15:22 PM »
Does anyone know if the final overall project has any plans to better the connection to the rest of downtown?

yes.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #155 on: May 02, 2007, 05:50:46 PM »
Does anyone know if the final overall project has any plans to better the connection to the rest of downtown? 

See the older site plan posted here and then look at the area around Main Avenue Bridge.  You'll see a proposed pedestrian connection to the East Bank.
http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=9195.msg127727#msg127727

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #156 on: May 02, 2007, 09:16:07 PM »
these other images seem interesting too.  one of them is even a picture of the lakefront...??  whats that about?

Bob Corna, partner and architect of the Stonebridge development, is a big proponent of redeveloping the downtown lakefront with publicly accessible parks. He doesn't agree with Stark's vision for the lakefront.

(Just answering a question -- not attempting to take this thread in a direction that doesn't have anything to do with the thread's subject)
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #157 on: May 02, 2007, 10:04:13 PM »
I have no doubt most, if not all of this will get done; and not that far in the distant future.  Corna-Price have near-perfectly engineered a carrot-stick approach with sexy current development fanning desire (and projected home-sales) for just around-the-corner development...

I can't quite tell from the schematic, but are they planning on keeping the old Spaghetti Warehouse loft apt building?  I sure hope so.  Melding old + new has made Stonebridge amazingly interesting, intriguing.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #158 on: October 08, 2007, 02:01:33 PM »
OK.  So when do we start phase 6?  New thread....yeah!! :lol:

Yeah, so now that Stonebridge Phase 5 is essentially complete, does anyone have news on the next phases of Stonebridge? I think that this last spring we heard that when Phase 5 was complete, they would announce plans for Phase 6 and 7 together (the office conversion of the Tenk Building and the townhouses that fill in the "hole" next to the viaduct and Washington St. I think).  But there hasn't been much news since.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #159 on: October 16, 2007, 04:42:24 PM »
boy from all this PR released press it makes you believe Cleveland is the only place booming when the rest of the country has come to a near halt with new residential contruction. Lets see SB 5 get even close to selling out first.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #160 on: October 16, 2007, 04:55:33 PM »
I'm not saying everything is all sunshine everywhere but "near halt"? Don't get me wrong - the market has definitely slowed, but it really depends on who you talk to...

Just an example - Chicago has seven residential towers over 700 feet tall (taller than the Terminal Tower) under construction (as in, cranes are in the air, floors are going up). I highly recommend the following section at the skyscraperpage.com forum - a rundown of most North American (and a few European) cities construction.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/forumdisplay.php?f=87

Is there a crash in the future? Who knows, but as nice as the development in Cleveland is (especially during a real estate turndown), it's a blip on the radar compared to its peers.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #161 on: October 16, 2007, 04:59:30 PM »
I dont think Cle will crash..just stop for a while.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #162 on: October 18, 2007, 06:34:18 AM »
boy from all this PR released press it makes you believe Cleveland is the only place booming when the rest of the country has come to a near halt with new residential contruction. Lets see SB 5 get even close to selling out first.

So what are the sales/occupancy number?

I'm not saying everything is all sunshine everywhere but "near halt"? Don't get me wrong - the market has definitely slowed, but it really depends on who you talk to...

Just an example - Chicago has seven residential towers over 700 feet tall (taller than the Terminal Tower) under construction (as in, cranes are in the air, floors are going up). I highly recommend the following section at the skyscraperpage.com forum - a rundown of most North American (and a few European) cities construction.



Is there a crash in the future? Who knows, but as nice as the development in Cleveland is (especially during a real estate turndown), it's a blip on the radar compared to its peers.

I don't think Cleveland will crash, we have been smart and not overbuilt like many cities.  We don't have a glut of NEW homes/condos/townhomes sitting on the market. 

Currently in the city itself we do not have the type of housing first time and young people want.  I think that, that factor plays in our favor.  In the next three years when several project are completed I think the interest in city living will continue to rise and be more popular than ever.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #163 on: October 18, 2007, 09:52:46 AM »
But we do have a TON of vacant homes in the city.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #164 on: October 18, 2007, 10:36:06 AM »
boy from all this PR released press it makes you believe Cleveland is the only place booming when the rest of the country has come to a near halt with new residential contruction. Lets see SB 5 get even close to selling out first.

I'm hearing rumblings that all is not perfect in Camelot. Possibly K&D has stretched themselves too thin...trades being delayed extensively with payments, etc. Maybe it's just a blip, but he hasn't always operated this way, so it's getting some people's attention.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #165 on: October 18, 2007, 11:22:49 AM »
But we do have a TON of vacant homes in the city.

That's a different market.  The people looking to buy condos are generally upper middle to upper class, retirees or young professionals. 

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #166 on: May 12, 2008, 01:15:39 PM »
Machine leaving longtime Flats home
Workers join new Strongsville employer; developer mulls Stonebridge expansion
 

By STAN BULLARD
4:30 am, May 12, 2008

Tenk Machine & Tool Co. is disappearing from Cleveland's Flats in a deal that has reopened the closed Demag Plastics Group plant in Strongsville and might allow the Stonebridge mixed-use complex to expand.

A skeleton crew last week arranged drill bits, lathes and cranes for an equipment auction at 10:30 a.m. tomorrow, May 13, at Tenk's 2111 Center St. location. However, most of the 35 workers who were Tenk employees already are working at the former Demag plant that newly formed parts and equipment maker JSM Cleveland will use to serve Tenk customers and others, said Mike White, JSM Cleveland's sales and engineering manager....

http://crainscleveland.com/article/20080512/FREE/641695489
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #167 on: May 12, 2008, 01:52:17 PM »
The Tenk building is awesome.

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #168 on: May 13, 2008, 06:16:52 PM »
The Left Bank building is owned by Mr. Newman, who is the executive director of the Flats Oxbow Association, a CDC for the Flats area.  The building is the most poorly maintained residential building in the area except for CMHA, but the views from the units must be awesome.  Mr. Newman has been delinquent paying his taxes for the last few years: http://auditor.cuyahogacounty.us/repi/taxbill.asp?txtParcel=00319007

He's smart: collect rent, don't pay taxes, don't maintain your building, and as the neighborhood sprouts new condos and apartments (and someday a towpath trail), sell the place!  Just what we all want from CDC directors. 


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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #169 on: May 14, 2008, 05:33:30 PM »
The Tenk building IS awesome. I am confused though since I thought K&D acquired the Tenk Building last year...or that is what they publically said. This deal is not complete? At the time my understanding the plan was for KD was going to raze it to put up more glass or  faux brick stuff (what is there is fine, but enough already-lets keep some diversity, something that makes me love the flats). I feel my recollection is correct b/c I was immensely disappointed it would be knocked down. It may not matter b/c  a a while back word was new  development on the west bank was on hold indefinitely.

The Left Bank building is amazing but needs work. I love the top floor space. It looks right out on the iron ghost and has a spectacular city view. The Superior Viaduct would be your patio.
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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #170 on: May 14, 2008, 06:21:45 PM »
The plans I've seen indicated that they were going to reuse the Tenk Building.

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« Reply #171 on: May 14, 2008, 09:18:08 PM »
^I agree. All the plans that I saw showed that Tenk was going to be reused. They were going to expand a bit with some glass and steel. K & D, like any smart developer, sought control of the land via purchase options. If the market goes sour, then they don't have to exercise those options.

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« Reply #172 on: May 15, 2008, 03:04:25 PM »
Would love to see that building rehabbed. Without buildings like that,  the Flats just wouldn't be the same.
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« Reply #173 on: May 15, 2008, 03:07:09 PM »
^Indeed!  And yet they continue to get knocked down every year even still.  I worry about the Flats.  A lot.

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« Reply #174 on: May 15, 2008, 04:08:29 PM »
The plans I've seen indicated that they were going to reuse the Tenk Building.
I think a saw the super duper crazy plans that had a water park and star ship. Kidding a little, but in all seriousness, I was told face to face by someone quite involved with this project that TENK was a goner. I do not remember who, but someone such as price or corna.  I only remember b/c I was really upset and could not understand why it could not be rehabbed for a new use.  While it is not like it is a spectaculat building, it is an example of a classic flat warehouse and should be preserved.   

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« Reply #175 on: May 15, 2008, 05:45:48 PM »
Does anyone have a picture of the tenk building

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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #176 on: June 28, 2008, 10:59:44 AM »
^ I will go take one, brb...

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« Reply #177 on: June 28, 2008, 11:41:50 AM »
Okay, well, I took a couple from my balcony... they didn't turn out as great as I thought they would... so I got carried away a little bit. Sorry for the low quality pics (my cell phone is the only camera I have right now, my digital cam isn't here with me)

Here we go...





Front of the building on Center st.


Washington Ave. side.


Front, again.






Awning/loading docks on the corner of Center/Winslow




North side of building, I'm facing east towards Center.


Around back. I had my arm thru the fence to take these pics. I thought about climbing over it but that's probably not a good idea wearing gym shorts and flip flops.











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Re: Cleveland: Stonebridge/Flats West development
« Reply #178 on: June 28, 2008, 11:47:08 AM »
And not to be negative or anything... but after seeing it in person, if this building was to be rehabed, it would need a TON of work. And I'm sure the layout of the building(s) are nowhere near what the stonebridge developers have in mind.

Don't get me wrong. It'd be cool to have something historic, but I don't think it's very practical at all. Just my opinion!

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« Reply #179 on: June 28, 2008, 12:40:57 PM »
I don't think SB is going to do anything at all with it, it may be up for grabs. I actually like the front a lot.  I hope someone gets a hold of it and does something with it. I have no idea what it looks like from the inside though.