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Re: Cleveland: FirstEnergy Stadium renovations, changes
« Reply #60 on: May 26, 2006, 02:57:36 PM »
Oh, looky there.
It's actually used a tad bit more then ten times a year. :-P

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Friday, May 26, 2006

Where/When: Cleveland Browns Stadium, 7 p.m., gates open at 5:30 p.m.

Tickets: Available, ranging from $20 to $150.

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Re: Cleveland: FirstEnergy Stadium renovations, changes
« Reply #61 on: May 26, 2006, 03:08:36 PM »
Oh, looky there.
It's actually used a tad bit more then ten times a year. :-P

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Tonight: U.S. vs. Venezuela
Friday, May 26, 2006

Where/When: Cleveland Browns Stadium, 7 p.m., gates open at 5:30 p.m.

Tickets: Available, ranging from $20 to $150.

TV: ESPN2



musky nice scoop, but i was going to say the same thing about your use of "the crawl feature" in your post above that one -- its actually used more than ten times a year! lol!

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Re: Cleveland: FirstEnergy Stadium renovations, changes
« Reply #62 on: May 26, 2006, 04:31:14 PM »
What about this one?

Actually, I'm still learning how a lot of these little extras work.
I could probably just go through the help/beginners section for that, but I like the trial and error method.

My 8yr old son is going to the soccer game tonight with his grandparents. I tried to get him to take the camera, but he did not want to.

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Re: Cleveland: FirstEnergy Stadium renovations, changes
« Reply #63 on: June 07, 2006, 07:16:11 AM »
From the Sun News' KJP - thank you for your work.

Anybody have suggestions on who specifically should be on the committee?

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Thursday, June 01, 2006
By Ken Prendergast
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CLEVELAND _ A study committee may be formed soon to review the merits of putting a retractable roof on Cleveland Browns Stadium. At its last meeting, Cleveland City Council's Planning Committee recommended creating the study group, likely to be comprised of city, county and Browns representatives.

The committee would identify costs of adding the roof and look at the viability of revenue sources to cover the cost. A preliminary cost of $70 million to $90 million was estimated by developer and architect Bob Corna. He is advocating the retractable roof along with a number of council persons, led by Ward 11's Mike Polensek.

Corna said some unconventional revenue sources should be considered, such as using a dot-matrix advertising overlay on the roof, large enough to be seen from a hovering blimp. The material could be similar to those that wrap buses in an advertisement while allowing passengers to see out the covered windows.

Additional events at a year-round stadium would generate more revenues from concessions, parking and admissions taxes. Another is naming rights. Corna referred to Citizens Bank recently agreeing to pay $95 million over 25 years for naming rights to the Philadelphia Phillies' baseball park.

That could pay for the roof right there, he said.

Corna also noted that increased loge and season ticket prices, if additional events are included as part of the package, might be feasible. There are 270 loges at Browns Stadium, costing about $170,000 per year. If that were increased by $10,000 each, or $2.7 million total, that could leverage a $40 million construction bond.

What is it worth to that ticket holder if you guarantee a Super Bowl and an NCAA final? Corna asked. There could be other events included. It's not just about football. In the loges, each of these companies could hold catered business meetings. Imagine 270 meeting spaces.

He said a decision whether to put a retractable roof on the stadium could influence where the convention center will be in the future. The existing convention center is across the Shoreway and lakefront tracks from the stadium. One city proposal would expand it northward, above the highway and tracks, to near the stadium. The other location being considered is a new site at Tower City Center.

A design issue to be considered is whether towers needed to support the retractable roof would be too tall for planes approaching Burke Lakefront Airport. Corna said he suspects it won't be a problem, but said the clearance issue will be looked at by the study group.
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Re: Cleveland: FirstEnergy Stadium renovations, changes
« Reply #64 on: June 08, 2006, 10:07:24 PM »
Anyone wanna bet if there is actually any retractable roof construction going on when this game happens?

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Ohio State and Toledo have signed an agreement to play a football game at Cleveland Browns Stadium in 2009.

OSU athletic director Gene Smith said today that the Buckeyes and Toledo are locked in on a two-game series. The second game will be held in Columbus in 2011, Smith said.

The last time Ohio State played a game in Cleveland was 1991, when the Buckeyes stopped Northwestern, 34-3, at Municipal Stadium.

Smith is in Cleveland today to announce the start of a menís basketball series with Cleveland State that will start in the 2007-08 season.

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Re: Cleveland: FirstEnergy Stadium renovations, changes
« Reply #65 on: June 09, 2006, 08:40:12 AM »
I'll bet that it never happens....sorry

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Re: Cleveland: FirstEnergy Stadium renovations, changes
« Reply #66 on: June 09, 2006, 09:00:57 AM »
^the osu-toledo game or the roof?

if you mean the roof i agree. i think eventually forest city is going to get a new cc on their tc area property and that will put an end to it.

too bad, i'd prefer the old cc get renovated and the stadium roof given consideration.

we'll see, but don't hold your breath nothing will be decided anytime soon.

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Re: Cleveland: FirstEnergy Stadium renovations, changes
« Reply #67 on: June 12, 2006, 09:14:56 AM »
from today's PD...

Don't count on the grand idea of a retractable roof on Cleveland Browns Stadium becoming a reality. Maureen Harper, communications director for Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson, said the mayor has no intention of forming an exploratory committee to examine the feasibility, an idea championed by Councilman Mike Polensek. Council President Martin J. Sweeney said he, too, had no plans to form an exploratory committee for council.

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Re: Cleveland: FirstEnergy Stadium renovations, changes
« Reply #68 on: June 12, 2006, 11:11:56 AM »
Sounds like Forest City Enterprises is asserting itself.
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Re: Cleveland: FirstEnergy Stadium renovations, changes
« Reply #69 on: June 12, 2006, 11:27:12 AM »
It's disappointing that he closed this idea down without discussion.  It was more disappointing when he closed down the idea of the Southern Alignment for the Innerbelt before the independent study of the alignment that ODOT promised us was done.  I don't really know how I feel about Jackson at this point.  I don't like his planning related decisions. I'll be pissed if the CC ends up at Tower City.  That will be a horrible location for it.

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Re: Cleveland: FirstEnergy Stadium renovations, changes
« Reply #70 on: September 19, 2012, 10:33:19 AM »
92.3 is reporting that Jimmy is bringing in three firms to look at putting a dome on the stadium

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Re: Cleveland: FirstEnergy Stadium renovations, changes
« Reply #71 on: September 19, 2012, 10:42:07 AM »
92.3 is reporting that Jimmy is bringing in three firms to look at putting a dome on the stadium
I am not for the dome concept at all.  We have the Wolstein Center, The Q, and the new CC/Public Hall.  Let's face it, the dome isn't for football, rather to host concert events etc in the rain and winter months.  We need to accept the fact we put CBS on a valuable piece of Lakefront property, and we need to live with that and concentrate developing the land around it.  If anything, a dome would make more sense on Jacobs Field, however taht's for a different thread.   

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Re: Cleveland: FirstEnergy Stadium renovations, changes
« Reply #72 on: September 19, 2012, 10:43:30 AM »
92.3 is reporting that Jimmy is bringing in three firms to look at putting a dome on the stadium

Whoa. That could CBS into a year-round facility for much more than just football -- and dramatically expand the potential uses of the MM/CC ......if the pedestrian link/multi-modal transportation center were built.

This was the Robert Corna proposal:



We need to accept the fact we put CBS on a valuable piece of Lakefront property, and we need to live with that and concentrate developing the land around it.

Don't you think you just made the case for putting a lid on CBS? It's valuable lakefront property that gets used only about a dozen times a year (10 football games + a couple of concerts). Thus it is unused the other 353 days of the year. How do we improve the chances of developing the land around it when there's this mostly unused monument next to it? An obvious answer is you more bodies with wallets into that mostly unused monument and its surrounding area. How? You put a lid on it.

And why do we have to live with anything manmade? We live with the fact Cleveland is on Lake Erie. We live with the fact that bedrock is 200 feet below us. We live with the fact it gets hot in the summer and cold in the winter. But everything manmade can be changed when there is the will to change it.

If we don't enclose it, then let's please demolish this damn albatross which blocks more worthwhile development from the lakefront. Put it where the county proposed to put Art Modell's Browns more than 20 years ago.....

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Re: Cleveland: FirstEnergy Stadium renovations, changes
« Reply #73 on: September 19, 2012, 10:45:05 AM »
I LOVE the dome idea. Its stupid that CBS doesn't have one, at least a retractable one.

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« Reply #74 on: September 19, 2012, 10:48:26 AM »
Well if this is the case then he does have more money than God...would really like to see him spending his bags of money on other lake front projects rather than doming the stadium.

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« Reply #75 on: September 19, 2012, 10:52:31 AM »
I used to be completely against the dome idea, but have since changed my mind.  I think a dome could really expand the appeal of Cleveland as a city to host large events. 

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« Reply #76 on: September 19, 2012, 11:14:53 AM »
I know this topic is really old, but with the new ownership taking over the Browns, it seems that talks of putting a dome on the stadium have been revived a bit.  Today Haslem met with city officials and one of the issues brought up was the idea of putting a roof on the stadium.  Also apparently three architect firms will be brought in to discuss the feasibility.

Has anyone's opinion changed on this?  I vaguely recall being opposed to the idea when I first heard about it a few years ago, but now that I'm thinking about it again I think I'd like to see this happen.

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« Reply #77 on: September 19, 2012, 11:19:14 AM »
I know this topic is really old, but with the new ownership taking over the Browns, it seems that talks of putting a dome on the stadium have been revived a bit.  Today Haslem met with city officials and one of the issues brought up was the idea of putting a roof on the stadium.  Also apparently three architect firms will be brought in to discuss the feasibility.

Has anyone's opinion changed on this?  I vaguely recall being opposed to the idea when I first heard about it a few years ago, but now that I'm thinking about it again I think I'd like to see this happen.

You and your .... questions!  You should change your name to "The Questionator" or something like that!

I only want a roof if it's retractable.  Football is a fall/winter sport and should be played no matter the elements.  Leave it open for sports, unless its truly bad and close for events, conferences and seminars.  If putting a roof on helps bring in conventions than im all for it.
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Re: Cleveland: FirstEnergy Stadium renovations, changes
« Reply #78 on: September 19, 2012, 11:26:33 AM »
If someone wants to pay for it, I'm all for it. If we're talking about taxing the county residents again, then no, I don't support it. We're paying for enough right now. At some point everyone reaches their limit, and I've reached mine.

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« Reply #79 on: September 19, 2012, 11:27:07 AM »
KJP, this was also revived in another thread, can the threads be combined?  Just so we don't have duplicate questions/answers.  :angel:

This discussion is probably more appropriate in this thread:  Cleveland: Adding a Roof to Browns Stadium

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« Reply #80 on: September 19, 2012, 11:27:35 AM »
If someone wants to pay for it, I'm all for it. If we're talking about taxing the county residents again, then no, I don't support it. We're paying for enough right now. At some point everyone reaches their limit, and I've reached mine.
Agreed.

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« Reply #81 on: September 19, 2012, 11:28:50 AM »
Well if this is the case then he does have more money than God...would really like to see him spending his bags of money on other lake front projects rather than doming the stadium.

I think putting a lid on CBS would stimulate development of the surrounding properties.

I used to be completely against the dome idea, but have since changed my mind.  I think a dome could really expand the appeal of Cleveland as a city to host large events. 

If CBS gets a roof, then I think this creates a need for a convention-sized hotel.
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Re: Cleveland: FirstEnergy Stadium renovations, changes
« Reply #82 on: September 19, 2012, 11:32:26 AM »
KJP, this was also revived in another thread, can the threads be combined?  Just so we don't have duplicate questions/answers.  :angel:

This discussion is probably more appropriate in this thread:  Cleveland: Adding a Roof to Browns Stadium


Done.

More. The guy sure knows how to make news, promote discussion/debate and keep the Browns name in front of the public......

Browns owner Jimmy Haslam talks stadium dome with Cleveland City Council
Published: Wednesday, September 19, 2012, 11:00 AM     Updated: Wednesday, September 19, 2012, 1:11 PM
  By Harlan Spector, The Plain Dealer

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns owner Jimmy Haslam, when asked about constructing a retractable dome on Browns Stadium during a meet-and-greet session with Cleveland City Council this morning, said he will be bringing in architects for ideas on enhancements at the city-owned stadium.

Haslam said he wants the city to get more use out of the facility.

"Anything that helps us do that. . . we're certainly going to take a look at it," he said.

READ MORE AT:
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/09/browns_owner_jimmy_haslam_meet.html
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Re: Cleveland: FirstEnergy Stadium renovations, changes
« Reply #83 on: September 19, 2012, 11:40:21 AM »
This would be an excuse for people to call you guys a bunch of sissies. Cleveland fans get a lot of respect for their willingness to put up with the weather.

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« Reply #84 on: September 19, 2012, 11:41:16 AM »
Well if this is the case then he does have more money than God...would really like to see him spending his bags of money on other lake front projects rather than doming the stadium.

he never said HE would pay for the dome

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« Reply #85 on: September 19, 2012, 11:43:59 AM »
It does have to be retractable, IMO, which is what I forgot to mention.

The city also needs more hotel space so we can land big-time events like political conventions, the Final Four, and, dare I say it...the Super Bowl.

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« Reply #86 on: September 19, 2012, 11:44:30 AM »
The Corna proposal always looked so cool.

I'm all for this, it makes so much sense. But I don't ever want to see the Browns play with the roof closed. I love the blizzards! That's Browns football, and I don't want to see the local team turn into the scared-of-the-cold Vikings or Lions. Unlike Vikings or Lions fans, the fans in Cleveland will support this team despite the weather.

p.s. "Retractable roof" is a much better sell than "dome" which is a term that still has tons of negative connotations.

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« Reply #87 on: September 19, 2012, 11:48:16 AM »
I think we're all for retractable.  It offers the best of both worlds and give the stadium a chance to compete for more events or create events for the size.  Link it with the new convention center, add some hotels and we're cooking with grease!

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« Reply #88 on: September 19, 2012, 11:54:20 AM »
This would be an excuse for people to call you guys a bunch of sissies. Cleveland fans get a lot of respect for their willingness to put up with the weather.

I don't care what they call us, unless it's vibrant, jobs-rich or growing.


he never said HE would pay for the dome

I smell stadium naming rights coming. Oops, spoke too soon....

Jimmy Haslam Confirms He Plans On Selling Browns Stadium Naming Rights
by Jose Romero • Sep 19, 2012 11:41 AM CDT

Prepare yourselves, Browns fans -- your beloved Cleveland Browns  Stadium is going to have a new sponsor-dictated name at some point.

New owner Jimmy Haslam said as much before, and he reiterated it on Wednesday. It should happen after this season, Haslam said in a radio interview.

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http://cleveland.sbnation.com/2012/9/19/3357942/cleveland-browns-stadium-naming-rights-jimmy-haslam



How much money could naming rights bring? Here is a list of stadiums that sold naming rights and how much money they bring in per year and for how long (click and scroll over the header to reveal what each column title is).......

http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/stadiumnames.html

So for example, Bank of America Stadium will pay $140 million over the 20 years of its deal. Lucas Oil will pay $122 million over 20 years. But Heinz paid only $57 million over 20 years. So it is possible the naming rights could pay most, if not all of the cost of adding a roof to the stadium.

http://football.ballparks.com/
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« Reply #89 on: September 19, 2012, 12:08:01 PM »
^ Naming rights... there ya go, another idea that just makes too much financial sense to ignore.

The Fan 92.3 is ground zero for this discussion. Baskin or Phelps (sorry i can't tell their voices apart) responding to some fans who think it's a waste of money:

"If you think this roof proposal is only about Browns football, you're living in the stone age. It's bigger than that. This is a move toward bringing Cleveland back onto the world stage."

I like this comment!  Both of these guys are very passionate.
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