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Re: Cleveland: Historic Photos
« Reply #1770 on: August 20, 2018, 08:03:38 PM »
Wait @KJP ... 200-300 murders? Woah

I'm not sure people understand just how much urban crime has fallen over the past few decades (and how absurd Trump's "tough on crime" campaign was, in that context). It's fallen a lot less in Cleveland than in NYC, but it's still fallen quite a bit (even when adjusting for population loss).

NYC had Guiliani whose entire appeal was anti-crime, and the mafia is still more or less intact there.   The current gang feuds that are contributing so much to our (and Chicago's) murder rate wouldn't happen in NYC, they would get their heads knocked together.   As for guys like the one who shot a car (hitting a four year old) because his mom beeped at him while he was blocking a street conducting a drug deal,  they'd be in the Lake.

The murder rate is much lower than it was, and much more concentrated around illicit activities.



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« Reply #1771 on: August 21, 2018, 07:01:49 PM »
These old pictures always break my heart. The 3200-3500 block of Lorain Ave before half the buildings were torn down for parking lots. Nice find, @KarlBrunjes.
https://twitter.com/AshleyShaw/status/1031969856822947840?s=19

Sorry the picture is so big. I'll reduce it when I get home Fixed

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« Reply #1772 on: August 21, 2018, 09:23:28 PM »
I am somewhat of a Motorola fan boy, mostly with cell phones going back and today. So this sign in the pic above makes me happy.

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« Reply #1773 on: August 22, 2018, 08:04:02 AM »
Look at the before and after of Slavic Village's Broadway Ave (scroll the images):  http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/breaking-ground/MorganaBluff082118.aspx

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« Reply #1774 on: August 22, 2018, 02:57:39 PM »
Looking back at these old photos, it feels like Cleveland was on track to become a mini chicago of sorts....damn urban renewal and freeways, and economic collpase!

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« Reply #1775 on: August 22, 2018, 03:34:02 PM »
Ohio City

Lorain Ave1940s



Detroit and 25th - 1909








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« Reply #1776 on: August 22, 2018, 03:34:15 PM »
Looking back at these old photos, it feels like Cleveland was on track to become a mini chicago of sorts....damn urban renewal and freeways, and economic collpase!

Those things happened everywhere.  Cleveland needs to do a better job preserving its historical structures.  We also need to do a better job of rebuilding in a recognizably urban fashion.

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« Reply #1777 on: August 22, 2018, 09:31:27 PM »
Ohio City

Lorain Ave1940s



Detroit and 25th - 1909







Anyone know what church/taller building is that in the far off distance in the second photo?

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« Reply #1778 on: August 22, 2018, 09:53:26 PM »
Wow I never knew all this was lost... so sad. I guess we should really treasure the buildings we’ve managed to hold onto.

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« Reply #1779 on: August 23, 2018, 11:33:53 AM »
According to Sanborn Maps, there was an Odd Fellows Building/Masonic Hall at the SW corner of Church Street and Pearl St (W.25th). So I looked it up and, sure enough, that's what it was.....

https://plainpress.wordpress.com/2017/01/11/25th-street-lofts-rehabilitation-adds-83-apartments-and-commercial-space-on-church-avenue-between-w-25th-and-w-28th/
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« Reply #1780 on: August 23, 2018, 02:04:11 PM »
Cleveland Ship Building Co. West bank of the Cuyahoga, circa 1900.


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« Reply #1781 on: August 23, 2018, 03:28:17 PM »


The I.O.O.F building is still there. The upper floors were lost due to tornado damage.

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« Reply #1782 on: August 23, 2018, 07:18:55 PM »
Wow, I had no idea!!
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« Reply #1783 on: August 24, 2018, 12:33:33 PM »
https://www.amazon.com/Why-Old-Places-Matter-Association/dp/1538117681/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1535125859&sr=8-1&keywords=why+old+places+matter

I have a buddy who was able to get it before its release and says its amazing.

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« Reply #1784 on: August 25, 2018, 07:12:36 PM »
1936




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« Reply #1785 on: August 28, 2018, 09:40:10 PM »
There is the original Union train station in the bottom Center of the photo above.

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« Reply #1786 on: August 28, 2018, 09:50:49 PM »
By 1936, only the Pennsylvania RR was serving it with a mere 20ish trains a day while 90+ were operating out of Cleveland Union Terminal underneath its Terminal Tower. It would be another 12 years before the 14 daily trains of the Erie RR would relocate to CUT from the cramped Erie Station (later Diamond Jim's, then Shorty's Diner) below Superior Viaduct.
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« Reply #1787 on: August 28, 2018, 10:06:04 PM »
124 daily trains... damn...

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« Reply #1788 on: August 28, 2018, 10:07:44 PM »
Over a 24 hour period that’s an average hourly departure more frequent than the red line at peak hours.

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« Reply #1789 on: August 28, 2018, 10:25:33 PM »
And with hundreds of people aboard each train. Some of them crappy, outdated, soot-caked trains. Others sumptuous, first-class limiteds traveling at some of the fastest train speeds on earth, routinely cruising at 80-100 mph in the 1930s. One of the most advanced was this train, The Mercury, begun in the same year as the above photo, 1936. This art-deco streamliner zipped between Cleveland and Detroit at 90 mph, covering the 165 rail-miles in less than three hours (about as fast as you can drive it today -- 82 years later).
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« Reply #1790 on: September 01, 2018, 10:41:50 AM »
@Cleveland_PL

#TBT Greetings from Cleveland! This 1962 color postcard offers a rare on-the-ground view of Euclid Avenue looking east from Public Square. At the time of this photo, Euclid Avenue had one of the highest concentrations of foreign and domestic commerce in the country.
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« Reply #1791 on: September 12, 2018, 11:32:38 PM »
Left: The legendary Theatrical Restaurant on Short Vincent with proprietor, Morris “Mushy” Wexler, standing in front in 1963.

Right: The building as it is now, repurposed as a parking garage, naturally.

Unseen: Mushy Wexler rolling in his grave.

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« Reply #1792 on: September 13, 2018, 10:01:44 AM »
Image of Lighthouse in Cleveland at Main and Water (now West 9th) in late 1800s. Photo by WRHS. The front steps up from the sidewalk are still there, underneath the Shoreway bridge. Note the railings along the sidewalk, necessary for walking in the cold gales off Lake Erie.
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You probably never noticed the steps before. Here they are, at left, looking north on West 9th....



And here, during a recent tour posted on Twitter at: https://twitter.com/ShareTheRiver/status/1040210256524206083

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« Reply #1793 on: September 13, 2018, 10:10:09 AM »
^While it doesn't necessarily fit into the current downtown fabric nor promote density, it would be super cool to have that still standing. Lighthouses are just all around coolness

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« Reply #1795 on: September 15, 2018, 12:40:44 PM »
A view of tomorrow's Cleveland, in 1925.....

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« Reply #1796 on: September 15, 2018, 04:00:46 PM »
Was Scranton Peninsula really that populated with buildings in the 1920's?

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« Reply #1797 on: September 15, 2018, 05:15:27 PM »
No. The north end was mostly Northern Ohio Lumber & Timber Co., the central/western part of the peninsula was Republic Steel Corp Bolt and Nut Division, while the east side was the Erie Railroad freight house. This photo is from sometime between 1930-1948....




You can see in this 1952 USGS aerial and 1940s topo map that the steel mill complex pretty well dominated most of Scranton Peninsula....






From the bottom of that map, looking north to the top, offered this view in about 1910. I can't see Carter Road, however. This view would be from roughly where Grove Court Condos are today....

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« Reply #1798 on: September 17, 2018, 03:45:56 PM »
Oh happy joy joy....

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« Reply #1799 on: September 17, 2018, 04:31:36 PM »
Ugh.  I truly despise that garage... a huge brick box.  This is interesting though, I thought it was built along with the tower.  Too bad Phoenix coffee is the ONLY retail tenant in the whole place.