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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1830 on: February 16, 2017, 02:07:04 PM »
That was a New York, Chicago and St. Louis (Nickel Plate) yard and what appears to be a coke plant for the steel mill (that closed around 2000?) (via http://historicaerials.com?layer=1994&zoom=17&lat=41.46875481041432&lon=-81.66374802589417).

The yard and its overall Cleveland Division line to Canton was built by the Connotton Valley Railway in 1880, acquired by Wheeling & Lake Erie in 1899, leased to the Nickel Plate RR in 1949, became part of Norfolk & Western after the 1964 merger, mothballed in 1974, and sold to a new start-up Wheeling & Lake Erie regional railroad in 1990. The tracks north of the South Broadway neighborhood and into the Flats were abandoned circa 2000.
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1831 on: February 16, 2017, 02:59:44 PM »
That explains why the line over I-490 near its eastern end is practically abandoned now. Were the tracks redundant?
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1832 on: February 16, 2017, 11:36:20 PM »
That explains why the line over I-490 near its eastern end is practically abandoned now. Were the tracks redundant?

Different right of way owner. The line that bridges over the east end of I-490 was the main line of the Erie Railroad's Mahoning Division's Second District. It was significantly downgraded in the five years following its absorption into Conrail in 1976. After 1982, the tracks weren't active west of Broadway Ave where it served a small petroleum business. It was all that remained of Standard Oil's massive #1 refinery that had been there for more than 100 years.
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1833 on: February 17, 2017, 06:49:06 PM »
It should probably be noted that this is the site of the Forman Mills fire and some of that cleanup was necessary for safety related reasons.

I thought this was a Wheeling & Lake Erie railroad yard that was abandoned when the W&LE was abandoned through Slavic Village about 20 years ago? Are you thinking of the Worsted Mills fire in the early 1990s. In terms of size of buildings destroyed, that had to be one of, if not the biggest fire in Cleveland history, BTW.

Yeah, Worsted.  Though I thjnk East Ohio Gas in 1944 had it beat.

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1834 on: February 18, 2017, 01:19:41 AM »
Yeah, Worsted.  Though I thjnk East Ohio Gas in 1944 had it beat.

You may be right. I remember driving past the huge site after the fire. The crumpled, charred remains of those massive brick buildings looked like a war zone. I've heard the East Ohio Gas explosion site looked the same, especially since it occurred during World War II.

Worsted Mills fire
http://frank-dutton.blogspot.com/2012/08/cleveland-worsted-mill-fire.html?m=1
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1835 on: February 19, 2017, 12:40:36 PM »
Yeah, Worsted.  Though I thjnk East Ohio Gas in 1944 had it beat.

You may be right. I remember driving past the huge site after the fire. The crumpled, charred remains of those massive brick buildings looked like a war zone. I've heard the East Ohio Gas explosion site looked the same, especially since it occurred during World War II.

Worsted Mills fire
http://frank-dutton.blogspot.com/2012/08/cleveland-worsted-mill-fire.html?m=1

Looked it up.  EOG killed 130, this was fewer than the Collinwood School Fire that killed 174 and about the same as the Cleveland Clinic fire in 1929..   It did about a quarter billion dollars damage in current dollars, and the explosion has been calculated as 1/6 of a Hiroshima. 


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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1836 on: February 19, 2017, 02:16:51 PM »
Looked it up.  EOG killed 130, this was fewer than the Collinwood School Fire that killed 174 and about the same as the Cleveland Clinic fire in 1929..   It did about a quarter billion dollars damage in current dollars, and the explosion has been calculated as 1/6 of a Hiroshima. 


It's why there's a few streets of post-war bungalows surrounded by a sea of pre-Depression era Cleveland Doubles south of the blast site.
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1837 on: February 19, 2017, 02:29:14 PM »
Looked it up.  EOG killed 130, this was fewer than the Collinwood School Fire that killed 174 and about the same as the Cleveland Clinic fire in 1929..   It did about a quarter billion dollars damage in current dollars, and the explosion has been calculated as 1/6 of a Hiroshima. 


It's why there's a few streets of post-war bungalows surrounded by a sea of pre-Depression era Cleveland Doubles south of the blast site.

A really stubborn and determined elderly community leader named Anton Grdina made that happen.  People literally moved into new houses with the exact same neighbors.

The blast was on the same absolute scale as Port Chicago and Texas City.

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1838 on: February 23, 2017, 06:38:55 PM »
Shoreway power plant remains are to be blown up at about 1am tonight.

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1839 on: February 24, 2017, 09:17:53 AM »
Here's video of the power plant demo:

WATCH: Lake Shore Power Plant smoke stack comes crashing down
http://fox8.com/2017/02/24/watch-lake-shore-power-plant-smoke-stack-comes-crashing-down/

Jump ahead to the 2-minute mark:

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1840 on: February 24, 2017, 09:40:36 AM »
Here's video of the power plant demo:


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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1841 on: February 24, 2017, 10:22:14 AM »
What will become of the land where the power plant formerly stood?

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1842 on: February 24, 2017, 10:43:13 AM »
^ I am assuming a lot of remediation will be needed before anything happens.

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1843 on: February 24, 2017, 10:49:46 AM »
Agreed. Does CEI have plans for it or will they unload it?

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1844 on: February 24, 2017, 10:53:09 AM »
Agreed. Does CEI have plans for it or will they unload it?

Latest plan is a grass field for now.

I know there's been talk about moving the Shoreway, but I drive by there all the time and as long as a building was raised a bit (perhaps over a parking garage) it's close enough to the lake to be considered "lakefront".

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1845 on: March 02, 2017, 08:52:46 PM »
Driving by the remains, it looks like they may not have done such a good job.

I suspect the stack was meant to fall in that direction, but the boiler building appears only partially collapsed.

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1846 on: March 03, 2017, 07:59:39 AM »
In the demolition, the boiler building looks like it just rolled over.
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1847 on: March 03, 2017, 08:19:40 AM »
In the demolition, the boiler building looks like it just rolled over.

Which is how the wreckage looks.

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1848 on: March 03, 2017, 08:55:35 AM »
Driving by the remains, it looks like they may not have done such a good job.

I suspect the stack was meant to fall in that direction, but the boiler building appears only partially collapsed.


I think this may have been done on purpose. In watching many demo's seemlier to this one, buildings are usually meant to fall a certain way, and this demo mimic's many others that can be found on YouTube.

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1849 on: March 08, 2017, 01:06:45 AM »
Near West Design Review District
Agenda
(8:30 a.m., Wednesday, March 8th, 2017)
Dollar Bank, 3115 West 25th Street

8:30 a.m. 1. NW 2017-005: Commercial & Residential Building Demolition (C)
4302 Pearl Road
Project Representatives – Bob Goff, Jr., Leelila, LLC, Property Owner & Andy
Kiss, Andy’s Empire Demolition, Inc.
Proposed demolition of former commercial/residential building.

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1850 on: June 05, 2017, 05:30:42 PM »
Anyone know what Scranton Averell Inc is up to? This building has a 300k demolition order pending.

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1851 on: June 05, 2017, 05:51:09 PM »
Anyone know what Scranton Averell Inc is up to? This building has a 300k demolition order pending.

Might want to post that in the Scranton Peninsula thread!
https://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,4043.0.html

BTW, I know someone who owns a lot of Scranton Averell stock and goes to their shareholders conventions. Every so often he hears little nuggets about Scranton Peninsula and passes them along, but I've not heard from him in a long time. I should bug him to see if he knows anything.
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1852 on: June 05, 2017, 06:29:58 PM »
Oh man, sucks. The setting is still great, but so much of the Flats is on the road to Genericville as we lose all these cool old industrial structures.

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1853 on: June 05, 2017, 06:31:11 PM »
Wait, demolition order? You mean the city has ordered the demolition (ie: condemned)?
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1854 on: June 05, 2017, 06:47:34 PM »
Hmm It's under building permits, application pending - fee paid by Scranton Averel. So I don't think it is a condemned property. Shockingly.

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1855 on: June 05, 2017, 07:01:07 PM »
Thanks. From what little I know of Scranton Averell, their executives are cheap -- as in they chew their water before swallowing. So I can't imagine them spending $300,000 to raze a building that wasn't in danger of falling down -- unless it was in danger, or they have development plans.
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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1856 on: June 05, 2017, 08:59:47 PM »
I really like that building. Shame  :cry:

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1857 on: June 09, 2017, 12:54:00 PM »
Anyone know what Scranton Averell Inc is up to? This building has a 300k demolition order pending.
That's disappointing. There are only a few interesting buildings left on Scranton Peninsula.

I saw this on the CPC agenda for next week at the corner of Waterloo and E. 156

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/pdf/NE_Design_Review_Agenda_06-13-17.pdf

8:35am 3. NE 2017-020 —15519 Waterloo Rd – Demolition (C)
Waterloo Design Review District
Location: 15519 Waterloo Rd
Seeking final approval for the proposed demolition of a two story, commercial structure.
Project Representative: Camille Maxwell/Joe Barbaree, Northeast Shores Dev. Corp.

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1858 on: June 09, 2017, 01:22:19 PM »
^I've watched that building transition over the years.  It originally went through an exterior rehab back in maybe 2003-2005 but it wasn't done well and the building began to look worse just a couple years later.  If this one comes down, I would hope the corner doesn't have a vacant lot forever.  There's been enough that has been torn down on E. 156th that the street doesn't look the same anymore.

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Re: Cleveland: Demolition Watch
« Reply #1859 on: June 09, 2017, 01:27:17 PM »
Right on!