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Re: Columbus: Scioto Peninsula Developments and News
« Reply #210 on: July 18, 2017, 01:54:07 PM »
Hmm. That is weird. I just came across the site yesterday but according to its google listing, it had been online for at least a couple weeks.

I was surprised to see it because there hadn't been any announcements, but it was a totally public site, and even had forms to fill out for updates/leasing inquiries. Because of that and how detailed the renderings and video were I assumed it was the winning bid.

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« Reply #211 on: July 18, 2017, 02:33:17 PM »
According to a poster in this reddit thread:  https://www.reddit.com/r/Columbus/comments/6nwtqw/scioto_peninsula_development_downtown_unveiled_by/?st=j59yydj2&sh=db0dce01

"crawford hoying lost the bid on the peninsula project...  they made this website/video for their bid, but did not end up getting the contract."
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Re: Columbus: Scioto Peninsula Developments and News
« Reply #212 on: July 18, 2017, 08:11:27 PM »
I think the person who posted on Reddit that Crawford Hoying lost the bid is probably correct given that the website has been taken down. I'm guessing the website was part of their pitch and once they found out they weren't awarded the project they took it down. I'm hoping this means that they have chosen a developer and we will get an announcement within the next couple days.


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« Reply #213 on: July 18, 2017, 09:31:19 PM »
I'm happy they didn't get the bid.  I'm hoping the city selected something far more interesting architecturally.

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« Reply #214 on: July 18, 2017, 10:07:34 PM »
I'm happy they didn't get the bid.  I'm hoping the city selected something far more interesting architecturally.

I definitely wouldn't have been mad if this was the selected proposal, but the fact that it was (according to someone on reddit) passed over for a seemingly better proposal is very exciting. I can't wait to get the official announcement.

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« Reply #215 on: July 18, 2017, 10:09:36 PM »
Well, if that wasn't the winner, then I have high hopes that I'll love the actual announcement even more. Here's hoping we hear about it soon; I had thought the announcement was due by the end of the July.

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« Reply #216 on: July 18, 2017, 10:51:52 PM »
Disappointing, because while I think it certainly could have been more exciting, I quite liked everything I saw of the Crawford Hoying proposal.

If indeed they weren't chosen, I really hope the winner is Daimler/Kaufman/Georgetown. I can't imagine the other two finalists (Carter and Indy's Buckingham Companies) as having proposed anything better than what CH did.
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« Reply #217 on: July 19, 2017, 07:57:58 AM »
Disappointing, because while I think it certainly could have been more exciting, I quite liked everything I saw of the Crawford Hoying proposal.

If indeed they weren't chosen, I really hope the winner is Daimler/Kaufman/Georgetown. I can't imagine the other two finalists (Carter and Indy's Buckingham Companies) as having proposed anything better than what CH did.
It's probably Georgetown. CDDC has a limited number of developers and design firms they work with and rarely deviate from that list. Georgetown has been CDDC's owner's rep for past projects. I imagine Daimler/Kaufman are still in Guy Worley's good graces. I'm hoping the team brings in new architects to spice things up.

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Re: Columbus: Scioto Peninsula Developments and News
« Reply #218 on: July 19, 2017, 11:24:35 AM »
Disappointing, because while I think it certainly could have been more exciting, I quite liked everything I saw of the Crawford Hoying proposal.

If indeed they weren't chosen, I really hope the winner is Daimler/Kaufman/Georgetown. I can't imagine the other two finalists (Carter and Indy's Buckingham Companies) as having proposed anything better than what CH did.

I'm also hoping for DKG.  Carter is forever on my hate list and I like the 3-way partnership.  I think that just brings more possibilities in terms of scope and design. 

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« Reply #219 on: July 26, 2017, 02:10:10 PM »
Update from CU:

http://www.columbusunderground.com/list-of-finalists-narrowed-for-scioto-peninsula-project-bw1


"The Columbus Downtown Development Corporation (CDDC) will not officially announce which team of developers is selected to build the 21-acre Scioto Peninsula redevelopment project until September.  But CU submitted a public records request for the proposals submitted by the four finalists, which were announced by the CDDC in April.  What came back were redacted proposal from three teams:"

- Georgetown Company (headquartered in New York, NY), the Daimler Group and Kaufman Development
- Buckingham Companies (headquartered in Indianapolis, IN)
- Crawford Hoying and SunCal (headquartered in Irvine, CA)

"Amy Taylor of the CDDC said that those “were the three proposals we received,” meaning that one of the four finalists — the team led by Atlanta-based Carter, along with the Robert Weiler Company, Kelley Companies and Casto — is already out of the running."

"Columbus Underground has also confirmed that Crawford Hoying was told by the CDDC at least three weeks ago that they are no longer being considered for the project.  That leaves two teams still standing: the Indy-based Buckingham and the Georgetown/Daimler/Kaufman group."
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« Reply #220 on: July 26, 2017, 02:10:21 PM »
^ The CU article also included this rendering labeled "Concept rendering via the Georgetown/Daimler/Kaufman group".  It looks similar to the whole peninsula rendering from the defunct Crawford Hoying website:

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« Reply #221 on: July 26, 2017, 04:47:39 PM »
^ The CU article also included this rendering labeled "Concept rendering via the Georgetown/Daimler/Kaufman group".  It looks similar to the whole peninsula rendering from the defunct Crawford Hoying website:



I like the rendering, but in the article they mention 1500 residences, on the lower end of the 1500-1800 suggested, and have cut retail from a recommended 180,000 sq ft to just 82,000, while upping office space from 800,000 to 1.2 million sq feet. I'm not sure I'm a fan of those changes.

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« Reply #222 on: September 16, 2017, 02:22:21 PM »
Construction photo posted Sept. 4, 2017 of the National Veterans Memorial & Museum near COSI along W. Broad Street by http://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-roundup-franklinton-summer-2017.  Windows are now being installed within the completed exterior concrete framwork:

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Re: Columbus: Scioto Peninsula Developments and News
« Reply #223 on: November 26, 2017, 10:06:08 PM »
Photos: Scioto Peninsula Park and Garage

The Scioto Peninsula just got a bit greener (or at least it will next spring once the leaves return). The construction barricades are gone from the new Scioto Peninsula Park adjacent to COSI, and visitors have begun enjoying the area despite it not quite being 100% completed. The 6.5-acre park replaces a former surface parking lot, which has been shifted into a new 600-space parking garage located on two levels underground.

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« Reply #224 on: November 27, 2017, 11:18:49 AM »
^ It's great to see this project done.  And it seemed like that COSI/Scioto Peninsula Park and Garage project got done fast!

I know it's comparing two very different type projects, but this garage/park just flew by the nearby Veterans Memorial & Museum project.  The museum project got started about a year before the garage/park project began.  The garage/park project required digging away space for two levels of underground parking.  And now the garage/park is open, while the museum won't be open until next year!

I know the concrete work for the museum is much more complicated than for the underground garage.  But still, that underground garage and the above-ground park work went by quickly.
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Re: Columbus: Scioto Peninsula Developments and News
« Reply #226 on: December 05, 2017, 09:54:29 PM »
Ugh. IMO the worst proposal of the three. Not going to hide my disappointment on this one, what a damn shame

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Re: Columbus: Scioto Peninsula Developments and News
« Reply #227 on: December 05, 2017, 10:34:42 PM »
I'm curious, what distinguishes this so strongly in your mind on the downside?

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« Reply #228 on: December 05, 2017, 11:03:06 PM »
I think it looks good, but I might be missing something. Sometimes people want more height, but Downtown is so large and open that 5-10 stories is often appropriate.

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« Reply #229 on: December 05, 2017, 11:24:07 PM »
Indianapolis developer selected for $500M Scioto Peninsula project



An Indianapolis company has been selected to lead a half-billion dollar redevelopment effort on the Scioto Peninsula, a colossal project that could transform downtown.

Buckingham Cos. was chosen to lead the $500 million project to create a mixed-use community west of COSI in Franklinton that would include 1,700 residential units and significant commercial space.

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https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2017/12/05/indianapolis-developer-selected-for-500m-scioto.html


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Re: Columbus: Scioto Peninsula Developments and News
« Reply #230 on: December 06, 2017, 09:06:53 AM »
Kind of disappointing that the 30-story buildings are going up, at least not right away, but I still think this is going to be a great project for the downtown area. If this phase of development is successful, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a couple 20+ story buildings go up a couple more years down the road.

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« Reply #231 on: December 06, 2017, 09:49:59 AM »
You can build a tremendous amount of density with 5-7 story buildings.  Even 3 story buildings can create a exceptionally walkable neighborhood.  And it's also possible to have massive skyscrapers with a built environment that is nevertheless unforgivably autocentric (internationally, UAE is a terrible offender on this).  I get that, given the renderings and the CDDC comments about how it's still essential to spend $60k per unit to add two parking spaces apiece, this is still going to be fairly autocentric and nothing like some European cities.  But it certainly doesn't strike me as justifying such a negative reaction.

Honestly, I actually thought the ground on the Scioto Peninsula was such that it wouldn't support true high-rises anyway.  Maybe I was wrong about that if such buildings at least made it into the discussion--they weren't off the table from the start.  Still, this looks like a very respectable addition to a near-downtown neighborhood.  It's also "only" 29 acres; there will be plenty of additional opportunities for building bigger if this takes off.  (High rises in the Arena District like the North Bank Park condo tower didn't go up until later phases of the Arena District, either.)

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« Reply #232 on: December 06, 2017, 09:56:04 AM »
^ Completely agree. I think people will be pleasantly surprised once this is built out. I think this will also bring about some taller developments, assuming it's a success.

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« Reply #233 on: December 06, 2017, 04:28:24 PM »
Over 2,500 New Residents Will Call the Scioto Peninsula Home in 2028



If built out exactly as planned, the empty chunk of land that surrounds COSI is about to get a whole lot more populated over the course of the next 10 years. Currently home to zero humans and a handful of migrating Canada geese, the Scioto Peninsula is slated to see it’s population jump to approximately 2,550 people in the 1,700 residential units that Indianapolis-based developer Buckingham Companies will build on the site.

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« Reply #234 on: December 07, 2017, 11:13:45 AM »
^ Completely agree. I think people will be pleasantly surprised once this is built out. I think this will also bring about some taller developments, assuming it's a success.

With any project this size it's a worry that it will end up having an inorganic look and feel, like it's more like a corporate campus. It will be interesting to see how this develops.

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« Reply #235 on: December 07, 2017, 11:43:18 AM »
I imagine that's hard to avoid without significantly increasing cost.

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« Reply #236 on: December 07, 2017, 12:06:50 PM »
When things are done via a uniform overarching plan, yes.  Of course, a lot of more architecturally diverse neighborhoods became that way because of a lack of central planning or aesthetic restrictions, coupled with people simply building whatever they wanted on their own property.

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« Reply #237 on: December 08, 2017, 11:22:01 AM »
Different developers with different architects in different eras will make an area look less corporate. Large developments that try to look organic just look disneyesque. High St. through the Short North feels very organic to me.

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« Reply #238 on: December 08, 2017, 11:47:58 AM »
When things are done via a uniform overarching plan, yes.  Of course, a lot of more architecturally diverse neighborhoods became that way because of a lack of central planning or aesthetic restrictions, coupled with people simply building whatever they wanted on their own property.

It's true. But much of that was done before the "wrong ways" were invented in the 20th century.

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« Reply #239 on: December 09, 2017, 05:48:27 PM »






IMO if they keep this curved-facade building (picture 1) with the sculptural pieces in front, and build around that, I think it has potential to be a nice centerpiece. I personally think that they need to do something that I see a lot more of "organically" in some medium-sized cities Europe, and that is the presence of longer stretches of more major attractions separated but with connecting alleys or promenades which are pedestrian-only, that are home to very small shops, restaurants, cafes.

In this case, with the curved-facade building in the front, I think that to the sides and towards the back ought to be the focus for more attractions, like bars and more high-end shops, and there should be pedestrian-friendly (even pedestrian-exclusive) access to those areas from the main park/sculptural area. In picture 2, for instance, instead of having that open staircase building in the front and right, maybe have it towards the back more, and build a little plaza with a fountain in the middle. Then leave the first floor of the areas lining those walkways open for small businesses and such. In such a way, you encourage walking, develop a more neighborhood feel, and I think make it seem nicer.

But that's just my opinion. I really much prefer the quaint walkability of Vieille Ville in Nice, or the Walkplatz in Trier, or Montmartre in France to the high-rise absurdity of Manhattan or Brickell.