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Offline PoshSteve

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #780 on: May 20, 2017, 08:04:51 PM »
I wasn't trying to say the Metroparks are waiting to see if the Flats are ready for expanded service. I was saying the Metroparks themselves need to get ready for it. From what I remember chatting with them, its not an entirely simple process for them. Plus, while you may have experienced long lines for the water taxi, I never have, and I don't think long lines were the norm. Maybe they haven't been seeing the passenger numbers they were expecting? I'm sure there were times of long lines, but I've never been on it with more than 6-7 others, and many times I've been the only person, ever during some of the East Bank festivals.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #781 on: May 22, 2017, 10:35:54 AM »
I saw an article once talking about the costs of outfitting the taxi docks, they are not as easy to put in as you may think.  The whole operation is ADA compliant, so the docks and boats need to be wheelchair accessible and safe for kids and drunks and the like. Obviously the river is an active shipping channel, so the dock layout has to comply with other regulations and generally be put in in such a way that it's operations don't impede the marine traffic (large or small) on the river while its loading/unloading (which can be tricky to meet all those requirements in a relatively narrow river).  While i would like to see it expand as well I  can understand if they need proof that there is enough demand to warrant more boats and more investment in new dockage before pushing ahead.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #782 on: May 22, 2017, 10:49:07 AM »
I know the Water Taxi is not easy and I would rather have this in the more qualified hands of Metroparks than the fly-by-nighters who ran the old Holy Moses -- fun though HM were back in the Flats' heyday of the mid/late 1990s -- I'm just thankful there were no serious accidents and fatalities with HM because the condition of their boats was awful and the experience of their crewmen, suspect... Even if, for now, Metroparks just added 1 more boat and crew to run the back 'n forth to the West Bank, I'd be happy for now... I'm not sure when you tried it PoshSteve, but there were definitely lines when we tried Water Taxi last summer on a Saturday afternoon -- one our trip over we had to wait 3 boat revolutions before we could get over-- we didn't mind too much because we were just enjoying all the excitement and activity of the rejuvenated East Bank... Coming back it was just 2 revolutions... Add to that the fact the 2nd mate crew man (woman in this case) was taking fares and counting the passengers to make sure there was available space on the boat... 1 more boat + crew would work ... for now.

btw, isn't Metroparks a quasi-public agency meaning, couldn't they seek some kind of local, state or federal grant to run water taxi as transportation service in the public interest?  Just curious. 

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #783 on: May 22, 2017, 12:09:14 PM »
IMO a water would be better operated as a subsidized service via the Port Authority or even RTA.   It would be a great place for a company like Sherwin Williams to step in and provide funding for free taxi and waterfront line service.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #784 on: May 22, 2017, 08:13:51 PM »
They are open for the season again btw. It's been said many times before, but I'll say again that expanding the hours would be a great idea. There was a concert going on at Nautica last night, but the taxi was already closed for the night before they even opened the gates. Would have been perfect for people to use it to hop over the the East Bank for dinner and then ride back before the show started. In the few hours I was down there yesterday, I only saw them cross the river once. I live in the Flats too, and took the taxi regularly last season, almost always on weekends.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #785 on: May 23, 2017, 01:18:48 PM »
Imagine the increase in ridership if the water taxi added a stop to Whiskey Island/Wendy Park. When you're there you're literally across the river from the Flats, but in order to physically get there you must travel all the way back to the Edgewater Park entrance and double back on the Shoreway or Detroit Avenue.
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #786 on: May 23, 2017, 02:05:07 PM »
Imagine the increase in ridership if the water taxi added a stop to Whiskey Island/Wendy Park. When you're there you're literally across the river from the Flats, but in order to physically get there you must travel all the way back to the Edgewater Park entrance and double back on the Shoreway or Detroit Avenue.
WI/WP is going to really become an asset with better connections. Have you seen this idea:

http://www.clevelandskylift.com/where_does_it_go/

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #787 on: May 24, 2017, 07:09:57 PM »
Lake Link Trail is now paved and landscaping has been put in. Lights still have to go up along the way.



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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #788 on: May 24, 2017, 08:00:38 PM »
Lake Link Trail is now paved and landscaping has been put in. Lights still have to go up along the way.


Nice! Lights were put up along most of the path a few weeks ago

From 4/30

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #789 on: May 24, 2017, 08:35:28 PM »
Ah that's right, you can even see one in my picture hidden in the trees lol. ^ I'm so glad the grass is coming in well. I can't believe what a difference has been made with this. When I moved here I didn't even know that old railway right of way was even dug out - it was so filled with brush and trash. I can't wait to see the bridge to Wendy Park, although we all know the story of how these pedestrian bridges are built in Cleveland...

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #790 on: May 24, 2017, 08:40:58 PM »
Ah that's right, you can even see one in my picture hidden in the trees lol. ^ I'm so glad the grass is coming in well. I can't believe what a difference has been made with this. When I moved here I didn't even know that old railway right of way was even dug out - it was so filled with brush and trash. I can't wait to see the bridge to Wendy Park, although we all know the story of how these pedestrian bridges are built in Cleveland...

Agreed, the bridge will be a game changer. At least we know that it's already fully funded, and with the Metroparks leading the way, I'm optimistic.

Now we just need to finish up getting funding for Irishtown Bend and the trail extension of the Willow Ave Bridge and it'll be all connected!

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #791 on: May 26, 2017, 09:31:01 AM »
Rising from ruins: Historic Foundry in Cleveland Flats finds new life (photos)
Posted on May 26, 2017 at 7:01 AM
BY LAURA DEMARCO, THE PLAIN DEALER
ldemarco@plaind.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio - Cleveland was forged in places like the building at 1831 Columbus Road.

The historic 1893 foundry on the north bank of the Oxbow operated for decades, filled with hardworking men who melted, molded and pounded metal casing into shape, building Cleveland into an industrial powerhouse as well as new lives for their families in the growing town.

It was one of so many foundries and factories and warehouses and docks that grew up on the banks of the Cuyahoga River in the second half of the 19th century. Places where immigrants and other men - including one named Rockefeller - built businesses and a city. This, the industrial Flats, is where Cleveland was born.

MORE:
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/05/historic_foundry_complex_in_cl.html
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #792 on: June 01, 2017, 09:06:18 PM »
Not sure what exactly this means, but maybe some wishes are coming true? Caught the water taxi zipping up and down the river. Caught it in front of the Powerhouse here, and then going under the Center Street bridge a few hours later. Clearly wasn't just a one time trip. Both times it had at least 10 passengers.


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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #793 on: June 11, 2017, 10:53:30 AM »
And another one....

Former nightclub building bought for big Nautica play

Real estate developer Jeffrey Jacobs has taken another million-dollar step toward expanding the Nautica Waterfront District beyond its entertainment center roots.

Technically, it's a $1.25 million step, as that's the amount that Nautica Entertainment LLC, the name that Jacobs holds west bank properties in, paid on June 1 for the 2325 Elm St. building, according to Cuyahoga County property records.

David Grunenwald, vice president of development at Nautica owner Jacobs Investments Inc., said in a June 7 phone interview that the acquisition is "just another step in what we're doing to keep Nautica moving forward."

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170611/NEWS/170619964/former-nightclub-building-bought-for-big-nautica-play

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #794 on: June 11, 2017, 11:13:05 AM »
I don't think I've ever seen a summer like this in Cleveland. And we haven't even gotten to Medical Mutual or Sherwin Williams yet!
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #795 on: June 11, 2017, 11:47:08 AM »
What I thought might be the last component in Jacobs master plan seems to be the first.  The idea of a hotel at Nautica is quietly moving forward. These guys are veteran developers which means they are always cautious and often skeptical. So if they think they are losing revenue by not having a hotel option is a great sign. They obviously don't believe that Cleveland is on the verge of being hotel heavy. And they have to be jealous of the success of the Aloft across the river. I only wish they would build it where Christie's is.
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #796 on: June 11, 2017, 11:51:08 AM »
What I thought might be the last component in Jacobs master plan seems to be the first.  The idea of a hotel at Nautica is quietly moving forward. These guys are veteran developers which means they are always cautious and often skeptical. So if they think they are losing revenue by not having a hotel option is a great sign. They obviously don't believe that Cleveland is on the verge of being hotel heavy. And they have to be jealous of the success of the Aloft across the river. I only wish they would build it where Christie's is.

Yeah I wouldn't be too upset if a barge "accidentally" crashed into Christie's

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #797 on: June 11, 2017, 04:11:52 PM »
Saddened that this building will more than likely go away.
If anyone remembers 'Metropolis' in its heyday...you'd probably agree.
Not saying that it needs to be a masssive nightclub again, but it really is a unique space inside.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #798 on: June 11, 2017, 08:24:56 PM »
Jacobs on a serious mission to turn the Flats into vinillaville.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #799 on: June 12, 2017, 09:19:11 AM »
There's an almost endless amount of parking lots in the West Bank, and Jacobs wants to tear down more buildings...

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #800 on: June 12, 2017, 10:21:46 AM »
There's an almost endless amount of parking lots in the West Bank, and Jacobs wants to tear down more buildings...

If only the Flats were some kind of historic district.....

But seriously, the Tenk building is a perfect example of what can be done. Of all  the grandiose plans floating around it's the Jacobs Nautica one that I hope "struggles with financing," as we say in these parts.


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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #802 on: July 05, 2017, 12:15:39 PM »
Saw this pic yesterday on Facebook......anyone know anything else about this?

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #803 on: July 05, 2017, 12:49:48 PM »
Woa..... definitely not something thats been public thus far.  Perhaps that is their way of giving a "Sneak peak"?

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #804 on: July 05, 2017, 12:50:41 PM »
Saw this pic yesterday on Facebook......anyone know anything else about this?

WOAHHHH... what the...

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #805 on: July 05, 2017, 01:06:59 PM »
Exactly where is in the flats is this picture at?

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #806 on: July 05, 2017, 01:10:52 PM »
(Tried to post an image from mobile and failed.)

Looks great though!
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #807 on: July 05, 2017, 01:16:27 PM »
The property hasn't changed hands in 3 years. It remains part of a larger, overall property owned by Settler's Point Associates LLC et al, located at 1400 W 10 St.

Or maybe it's just Dimit Architects trying to get some attention?

BTW, it's not even on Dimit's website, so it may just be an attention getter. And it worked!
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #808 on: July 05, 2017, 01:16:50 PM »
Condos?

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #809 on: July 05, 2017, 01:30:12 PM »
That's awesome, hope it's legit. That parking lot is part of former Sammy's space that was bought by Joel Sheer in 2014, which is now renovated office space.

http://www.cleveland.com/insideout/index.ssf/2016/12/cool_spaces_former_sammys_restaurant_now_offices_penthouse_overlooking_flats_photos_video.html

edit: The above article mentioned that Dimit was the architect for the building renovation, so they have a relationship with Sheer and this property. Who knows, it could still be nothing.
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