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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #120 on: January 27, 2010, 09:35:38 AM »
Actually some insightful commentary after the article.

The delays on the Towpath completion are extremely frustrating. 

I wish to hell the city would have given Larry Flynt the Harshaw instead of the Crooked River building. 
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #121 on: January 27, 2010, 05:56:41 PM »
by the way the flynt building is looking lovely front and center on the tow path. the stucco will look nice with the floridian concrete acccents already up.  lol

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #122 on: January 28, 2010, 09:47:04 AM »
Nothing like a nice lap dance after a long day on the trail. :evil:

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #123 on: January 28, 2010, 01:36:12 PM »
It's a shame all the strip clubs in this town are all in generic stripmall-like buildings.  I really wouldn't have a problem with all the neon and gaudy crap if it became part of the street.  I wouldn't mind seeing one on E4th honestly (how many people are going to jump me for this one).

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #124 on: January 28, 2010, 02:28:23 PM »
The neon doesn't bother me...nor the lapdancing lol.

More than anything, it's cheap hideous stucco and strip mall appearance of the building. The Flats have so much potential, but just like with Euclid Ave, it just seems like many in power do not share a grand, coherent vision of what Cleveland could be.

How this place (and the even worse Christies Cabaret...vomit) can look so ridiculous and end up in a historic district is absolutely beyond me.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #125 on: January 28, 2010, 02:50:15 PM »
actually the flats is not designated as a historic district. It has a lot of history, and it is a district, but never had an official designation, which was part of the problem. Had this gone off of Hamilton av or a dozen other locals close to downtown there would not be an issue. But Jackson and especially Cimperman championed this location HARD (lol) so let the shame live with them. Now private clubs are starting to take hold. the increased potential for prostitution and drugs in the emerging red light light district has its appeal to them. Yes tons of research to show drug and prositutuion activities are higher in these areas.  You may say to each their own, but do we want this area to be a gross tacky area, or a place where most poeple would want to live and enjoy? Will we proud of this area?



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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #126 on: February 03, 2010, 07:15:11 AM »
^I agree with your thoughts...and  no, I don't think so. You can only sugarcoat strip clubs so much... If these are the best we can do for economic development in an area that should be prime, I feel sad. Unless it becomes an area like a small King's Cross in Sydney, these joints add little of any dynamics to a city.
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #127 on: March 17, 2010, 07:29:46 AM »
Much like 668 Euclid Avenue is so much more important than just a new "apartment building"... This project is so much more important than just "some rowing club".  Both are transformative projects that improve their surroundings so much that they just won't be able to help but spur development around them.



Cleveland Rowing Foundation 'very near' to a deal to acquire land on Cuyahoga River for rowing center
By Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer
March 17, 2010, 4:00AM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A group of rowing enthusiasts is tantalizingly close to realizing the dream of a sizable permanent home in Cleveland for rowing, canoeing and kayaking on the Cuyahoga River as soon as this summer.

Cleveland Rowing Foundation plan for Rivergate Park on Cuyahoga River deserves support (Dec. 16)
The nonprofit Cleveland Rowing Foundation, an umbrella group for nine high school, collegiate and adult rowing programs, has raised $1.9 million of the $3.2 million needed to buy the now-defunct Commodore's Club Marina on Columbus Road Peninsula in the Flats.

Members of the group said that while raising the rest of the cash is preferable, they are prepared to borrow a portion of the purchase price to close the deal within several months....

more at:  http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2010/03/cleveland_rowing_foundation_ve.html

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #128 on: March 17, 2010, 09:02:04 AM »
It's a shame all the strip clubs in this town are all in generic stripmall-like buildings.  I really wouldn't have a problem with all the neon and gaudy crap if it became part of the street.  I wouldn't mind seeing one on E4th honestly (how many people are going to jump me for this one).

I would go.  Better digs than the Crazy Horse on Miles. 

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #129 on: March 17, 2010, 09:31:08 AM »
McCleveland I agree 100 percent.

I know this project is going to start a trend toward sprucing up our riverfront. It's going to lead to better access, and help build that valuable bridge between the public and the waterfront.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #130 on: March 17, 2010, 09:41:04 AM »
It very well should lead to a greater focus on our largely underdeveloped riverfront (for various reasons).  Thanks for the link!

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #131 on: March 18, 2010, 03:20:18 AM »
Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson to propose $300,000 loan to aid Rivergate project for Cleveland Rowing Foundation

Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson will propose that City Council grant a $300,000 low-interest loan to the nonprofit Cleveland Rowing Foundation to help create Rivergate Park on the Cuyahoga River.

"We will be introducing legislation to authorize the loan in the next couple of weeks," said Chris Warren, the mayor's chief of regional development.

The loan would help the rowing foundation acquire the former Commodore's Club Marina on Columbus Road Peninsula, just west of downtown in the Flats.

http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2010/03/mayor_jackson_to_propose_30000.html
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #132 on: March 18, 2010, 01:14:04 PM »
an RFQ was recently released to design the bike/ped bridge over the rail road that will connect the Willow Street Bridge to Whiskey Island

http://planning.co.cuyahoga.oh.us/about/pdf/lakefrontconnectorrfq.pdf

responses are due March 31

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #133 on: March 18, 2010, 04:53:17 PM »
Really?  A bridge to cross a railroad track?  People cross roads that are busier every day.  If we're all too terminally stupid to look for a train before crossing they could probably build a gate across the track for a small fraction of the money a bridge would cost.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #134 on: March 18, 2010, 05:04:26 PM »
It's 4 tracks actually, and a road within what I would consider the operational area of an active salt mine.  I think the pedestrian bridge is justified.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #135 on: March 18, 2010, 08:51:35 PM »
Really?  A bridge to cross a railroad track?  People cross roads that are busier every day.  If we're all too terminally stupid to look for a train before crossing they could probably build a gate across the track for a small fraction of the money a bridge would cost.


I believe that there is also a tall chain link fence. It is impossible to access Wendy Park from this area. The pedestrian bridge would connect directly to the Lake Link trail--which will connect directly to the Tow Path.   

see  http://buildingcleveland.org/what-we-do/projects/urban-design/lake-link-trail/



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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #136 on: April 12, 2010, 09:33:36 AM »
I heard today the Tenk Machine building has a sale pending.  The buyer intends to rehab the entire building and use it for 1) storage for some equipment for an existing business, 2) a recording studio, and 3) a music venue, like a Peabody's (or potentially another Peabody's location...this was unclear to me).  Won't close on the building for 60 days and then they'll get started on working on the building...

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #137 on: April 12, 2010, 09:42:42 AM »
^Wow, interesting news, thanks.  That is a seriously cool building; I hope this new group has a solid vision for the building.  Including the funkier more industrial parts:

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #138 on: April 12, 2010, 01:46:24 PM »
I hope this is true and it pans out. If I recall correctly, Doug Price had wanted this building as part of Stonebridge.
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #139 on: April 12, 2010, 03:54:23 PM »
maybe it could be something like mr. smalls in PGH, which is a combination of music venue, recording studio, and outdoor skate park.  http://www.mrsmalls.com/   the major difference is that the mr. smalls bldg used to be a church.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #140 on: April 29, 2010, 09:33:12 AM »
(while there has been some mention of this new skate park in the North Coast Harbor thread, I don't feel it's appropriate to continue the discussion there since the new skate park will actually be in the Flats.  And I was unable to find another, more appropriate thread...)

So a public meeting was held last night at the Speakeasy on West 25th to discuss the new Flats skate park to be built at the tip of the Columbus Road peninsula.  There's some decent coverage of this at Newsnet5:

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland-forum-seeks-ideas-for-new-skate-park

The city has hired nationally recognized Grindline of Seattle (www.grindline.com) to design the park.

This sounds like a great project.  But the video on the link above had the owner of a pizza shop in the area saying he's not happy about it because he's building bocchi ball courts outside and says the "noise" from the skate park will not be a good mix with the bocchi ball courts.  Ummm...  First off, you're in the Flats.  Second, you're a pizza shop -- the idea of having a world class skate park just steps away, where people will drive an hour or more to get there doesn't appeal to you?  What?!  Don't you realize how much pizza those skateboarders will buy?!  It's gonna at least double his business!

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #141 on: April 29, 2010, 11:16:50 AM »
The new skate park could be amazing. I'm really looking forward to following this development. The Flats desperately need this right now.

p.s. lol at pizza guy

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #142 on: April 29, 2010, 05:46:28 PM »
the pizza guy is very eccentric to say the least.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #143 on: April 29, 2010, 05:49:42 PM »
But the video on the link above had the owner of a pizza shop in the area saying he's not happy about it because he's building bocchi ball courts outside and says the "noise" from the skate park will not be a good mix with the bocchi ball courts.  Ummm...  First off, you're in the Flats.  Second, you're a pizza shop -- the idea of having a world class skate park just steps away, where people will drive an hour or more to get there doesn't appeal to you?  What?!  Don't you realize how much pizza those skateboarders will buy?!  It's gonna at least double his business!

And third, bocce ball isn't a quiet activity either!
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #144 on: April 29, 2010, 05:56:46 PM »
I am curious how the immediate residents responded. I know they were concerned about hooples having a volley ball court (likely late night noise)

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« Reply #145 on: April 29, 2010, 06:37:18 PM »
I am curious how the immediate residents responded. I know they were concerned about hooples having a volley ball court (likely late night noise)

Being a city park, the skate park would close at dusk.

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #146 on: May 05, 2010, 07:05:33 PM »
Well it looks like the Rock Bottom is closing after all, and Improv moving to the Shooters building, just to expand Windows on the River?  Is it really that profitable?  Was Howel at the Moon already gone?

"To make room for the expansion, Windows has bought out the lease of Cyrus Waterfront Caf and the assets of Rock Bottom Brewery.

"Closing Rock Bottom allows us to focus our energies on the Cleveland Chop House in the Warehouse district........
Other plans for the entertainment complex include moving the Cleveland IMPROV comedy club to a larger space next to Shooter's on the Water. The expanded facility will include a patio on the Cuyahoga River and an upper level VIP room."
 http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2010/05/windows_on_the_river_to_expand.html
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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #147 on: May 05, 2010, 07:25:07 PM »
seriously, windows on the river does this much business? I don't know what is going on here ....AnywayI  have one less place to walk to for a cocktail and a snack.  I keep waiting for the neighborhood to get better not worse.  oh wait there is the hustler. I wonder if they have happy hour?

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Re: Cleveland: Flats Developments (Non-Stonebridge or FEB)
« Reply #148 on: May 05, 2010, 08:08:40 PM »
Yeah it doesnt seem to make much sense.  Is it actually to make way for the aquarium?

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« Reply #149 on: May 05, 2010, 08:10:07 PM »
^ which is what, years away?