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How many wins do you think the Browns will have in 2018.  Preseason doesn't count.

0 (Another perfect season!)
1-2 (With a high draft pick we can get our quarterback of the future again!)
3-4 (An optimist would see this as a glass 1 quarter full, not 3 quarters empty!)
5-6 (Really do we have to go over .500 to have a "winning season"?)
7-8 (yeah right)
Some other inconcievable number higher than 8

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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8100 on: September 16, 2018, 11:26:49 AM »
Bill Belichick would have cut the guy years ago if he were with the Patriots!  The Browns look silly cutting him now because it's obvious they only kept him because of his ability.  The guy is deeply troubled and needs to work on getting well. 

we were going to go to the ny browns backers bar today to watch the game, but after this the shot penguin will be working overtime and its guaranteed to become a drunken madhouse lol, so iíll lowkey watch somewhere else.

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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8101 on: September 16, 2018, 12:52:01 PM »
lets face it the browns are about to get maybe an 9th round pick or whatever from the raiders for gordon. i wonder if they could have done better if they had waited and quietly tried to trade him later instead of this kneejerk publicity? of course no matter how carefully they broached it other teams would know there was trouble with josh, but i wonder if they have done it differently and gotten more value than they are likely to get now.

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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8102 on: September 16, 2018, 03:05:54 PM »
I'm glad the Browns are doing this, as they did with Michael Kendricks, Corey Coleman and other screw-ups. No more being dumping ground and baby-sitters for the Dwayne Bowe's and Kenny Britt's of the NFL. This is going to be Josh Gordon's Chris Carter moment or he's going to die young. Time for some tough love.

Die young?  The guys smokes a little weed now and again, maybe at worst drank some purple drank.  I feel bad that he couldn't keep on the straight and narrow, but he's not shooting up heroin in alleys here.  If anything this says as much about how stupid the NFL rules on drugs are as it does about Josh Gordon.

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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8103 on: September 16, 2018, 04:16:20 PM »
i am trying to have faith, but after the false hope of a lead through three quarters its looking like those beer coolers will stay locked for awhile. ugh.

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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8104 on: September 16, 2018, 04:54:57 PM »
I'm glad the Browns are doing this, as they did with Michael Kendricks, Corey Coleman and other screw-ups. No more being dumping ground and baby-sitters for the Dwayne Bowe's and Kenny Britt's of the NFL. This is going to be Josh Gordon's Chris Carter moment or he's going to die young. Time for some tough love.

Die young?  The guys smokes a little weed now and again, maybe at worst drank some purple drank.  I feel bad that he couldn't keep on the straight and narrow, but he's not shooting up heroin in alleys here.  If anything this says as much about how stupid the NFL rules on drugs are as it does about Josh Gordon.

Please read....
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/11/28/josh-gordon-interview-cleveland-browns-nfl

And watch before commenting further....
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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8105 on: September 16, 2018, 04:58:24 PM »
The kicker needs to go, but even if he hits that XP, theres a lot of time left to drive into field goal territory.

Hue needs to go. The record speaks for itself. Despite all the money spent and the high draft picks, the offense still looks average to me. I wouldn't throw Baker in there. You've got Landry, and Callaway is okay but still raw. Thats it.

The mentality of the whole organisation needs to be more ruthless.

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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8106 on: September 16, 2018, 05:04:16 PM »
yeah the kicking was a disaster.

i guess the locks will need to rust off the beer coolers.

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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8107 on: September 16, 2018, 05:09:41 PM »
Same old Browns. I'll be back when they replace their kicker, ST coach, and quarterback. But I won't be all the way back until they also replace Mr. 1-32-1.
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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8108 on: September 16, 2018, 05:11:34 PM »


Don't drop f-bombs or call people p-ssy's on UO. -x
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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8109 on: September 16, 2018, 05:16:44 PM »
Hue is now 1-32-1. I get the continuity argument but it's time. There's a very credible argument in which the Browns are 2-0 against two Super Bowl contenders. Zane didn't help the cause but Hue is in control of this mess. A winning culture needs to come from someone who can coach wins.

If they choke to the Jets on Thursday, at home against a non-playoff contender, it should happen immediately after the game.
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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8110 on: September 16, 2018, 05:45:35 PM »
the header says browns are kicking themselves after this game, but i doubt that would hurt much given the kicking game:

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/09/browns_saints.html

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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8111 on: September 16, 2018, 05:47:57 PM »
another tie this week too ó i guess we will be seeing more of those.

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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8112 on: September 16, 2018, 05:47:57 PM »
Same old Browns. I'll be back when they replace their kicker, ST coach, and quarterback. But I won't be all the way back until they also replace Mr. 1-32-1.

What exactly was "get rid of him" wrong with Taylor today?   Some inconsistency and one pick, otherwise a good game.

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« Reply #8113 on: September 16, 2018, 06:00:35 PM »
The offense is sorely missing a big target man. That should be Gordon, but yet again, the Browns will probably be spending a high pick on a receiver next year. Not impressed by Njoku at all in year two either.

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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8114 on: September 16, 2018, 06:48:26 PM »
Same old Browns. I'll be back when they replace their kicker, ST coach, and quarterback. But I won't be all the way back until they also replace Mr. 1-32-1.

What exactly was "get rid of him" wrong with Taylor today?   Some inconsistency and one pick, otherwise a good game.

Browns have averaged 19.5 points in two games. Tyrod is averaging just 220 yards in two games. Defense playing out their minds and the Browns are still 0-1-1.

Just sayin'.

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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8115 on: September 16, 2018, 06:52:35 PM »
Same old Browns. I'll be back when they replace their kicker, ST coach, and quarterback. But I won't be all the way back until they also replace Mr. 1-32-1.

What exactly was "get rid of him" wrong with Taylor today?   Some inconsistency and one pick, otherwise a good game.

The offense was inept, Taylor's decision making was awful, he missed wide open receivers, he threw an INT at crunch time (his one claim to fame is that he usually doesn't turn the ball over), he didn't step up in the pocket, he actually ran into a sack when the left side was wide open for a QB run or pass, etc.

I'm really not surprised though. Everyone knows that Taylor is at best an average quarterback. This is the guy who was actually benched for Nathan Peterman for crying out loud. It's only a matter of time before he is benched for the Heisman winner and #1 overall pick.
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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8116 on: September 16, 2018, 07:05:22 PM »
Same old Browns. I'll be back when they replace their kicker, ST coach, and quarterback. But I won't be all the way back until they also replace Mr. 1-32-1.

What exactly was "get rid of him" wrong with Taylor today?   Some inconsistency and one pick, otherwise a good game.

The offense was inept, Taylor's decision making was awful, he missed wide open receivers, he threw an INT at crunch time (his one claim to fame is that he usually doesn't turn the ball over), he didn't step up in the pocket, he actually ran into a sack when the left side was wide open for a QB run or pass, etc.

I'm really not surprised though. Everyone knows that Taylor is at best an average quarterback. This is the guy who was actually benched for Nathan Peterman for crying out loud. It's only a matter of time before he is benched for the Heisman winner and #1 overall pick.

How many times did Tyrod revert to that little dump off pass 3 years down field right over the line of scrimmage.  It must have been 6 times in the last two drives.   It seems like he was always looking for the relief valve.  Count me in on the "let's try Baker" bandwagon.

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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8117 on: September 16, 2018, 07:21:58 PM »
Ok just a bit funny...making the rounds on social media this evening. 


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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8118 on: September 16, 2018, 07:40:07 PM »
Same old Browns. I'll be back when they replace their kicker, ST coach, and quarterback. But I won't be all the way back until they also replace Mr. 1-32-1.

What exactly was "get rid of him" wrong with Taylor today?   Some inconsistency and one pick, otherwise a good game.

The offense was inept, Taylor's decision making was awful, he missed wide open receivers, he threw an INT at crunch time (his one claim to fame is that he usually doesn't turn the ball over), he didn't step up in the pocket, he actually ran into a sack when the left side was wide open for a QB run or pass, etc.

I'm really not surprised though. Everyone knows that Taylor is at best an average quarterback. This is the guy who was actually benched for Nathan Peterman for crying out loud. It's only a matter of time before he is benched for the Heisman winner and #1 overall pick.

How many times did Tyrod revert to that little dump off pass 3 years down field right over the line of scrimmage.  It must have been 6 times in the last two drives.   It seems like he was always looking for the relief valve.  Count me in on the "let's try Baker" bandwagon.

Browns fans are the worst.  This is why we keep ruining rookie QBs (or playing guys like Manziel when we're 7-4.). We were expected to lose the first two games even if we're much better this year, and we tied the Steelers and would have beaten the Saints if we had a kicker and you're calling for the QB's head already?  Come on.

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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8119 on: September 16, 2018, 08:46:40 PM »
Same old Browns. I'll be back when they replace their kicker, ST coach, and quarterback. But I won't be all the way back until they also replace Mr. 1-32-1.

What exactly was "get rid of him" wrong with Taylor today?   Some inconsistency and one pick, otherwise a good game.

The offense was inept, Taylor's decision making was awful, he missed wide open receivers, he threw an INT at crunch time (his one claim to fame is that he usually doesn't turn the ball over), he didn't step up in the pocket, he actually ran into a sack when the left side was wide open for a QB run or pass, etc.

I'm really not surprised though. Everyone knows that Taylor is at best an average quarterback. This is the guy who was actually benched for Nathan Peterman for crying out loud. It's only a matter of time before he is benched for the Heisman winner and #1 overall pick.

How many times did Tyrod revert to that little dump off pass 3 years down field right over the line of scrimmage.  It must have been 6 times in the last two drives.   It seems like he was always looking for the relief valve.  Count me in on the "let's try Baker" bandwagon.

Browns fans are the worst.  This is why we keep ruining rookie QBs (or playing guys like Manziel when we're 7-4.). We were expected to lose the first two games even if we're much better this year, and we tied the Steelers and would have beaten the Saints if we had a kicker and you're calling for the QB's head already?  Come on.

I donít think the fans are the ones ruining anything

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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8120 on: September 16, 2018, 10:41:40 PM »
The fans are the reason the Browns have sucked for 20 years?? The Browns are the reason there are no more Browns fans.

Some rookie QBs aren't ready to start (Kizer). Some QBs are (Wilson, Prescott,  Newton). Tyrod has never been ranked higher than the 15th best QB in the league in any season and the only reason why he was ranked that high is because he typically doesn't throw interceptions. He takes sacks, runs or throws the ball away because he can't drive the ball into tight spaces due to a weak, inaccurate arm. While he doesn't usually throw INTs (which makes his QBR look good), he also doesn't throw TDs either. He's never thrown more than 20 TDs in a season. Of course Tyrod is keeping the seat warm until the cockpit is ready for Mayfield. The 10 days after the Jets game is the first potential window for starting Mayfield. If Tyrod has another lackluster performance against the Jets, it's time to start Mayfield. Only Tyrod can keep Mayfield strong, accurate arm and quick mind on the bench.
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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8121 on: September 17, 2018, 12:09:59 AM »
Taylor was the 8th best QB by rating in 2015. Heís also run for 500 yards three times, which isnít nothing.
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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8122 on: September 17, 2018, 12:48:31 AM »
So he's declining? ;)

Impotent offense:
Browns have forced eight turnovers in two games. They have scored 10 total points off those turnovers despite numerous drives starting in the opponent's territory. The lone TD was a one-yard drive.
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« Reply #8123 on: September 17, 2018, 08:05:49 AM »
The fans have put pressure on the team to do stupid things, like replace Hoyer with Manziel when we were 7-4.  Do you really think that all the Johnny chants and stadium filled with Manziel jerseys didn't have an effect on the team's decision making?

Baker Mayfield may very well be the Browns quarterback of the future.  Tyrod very likely is not.  But yanking him now is a terrible idea and sends the message that the Browns are still the Browns to the rest of the players.

I get it, the first two games were frustrating.  But everyone expected us to be 0-2.  Even people that thought we might win 8 games this year.  Everyone said "we need to be patient after starting 0-2 and not blow things up".  We did BETTER than expected and everyone is still doing what they said they wouldn't do.

That being said, Zane Gonzalez DOES need to go.  He has consistently sucked.
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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8124 on: September 17, 2018, 08:16:42 AM »
I will settle this debate right now. Browns fans and Browns front office leadership are both terrible.

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« Reply #8125 on: September 17, 2018, 09:52:39 AM »
The fans have put pressure on the team to do stupid things, like replace Hoyer with Manziel when we were 7-4.  Do you really think that all the Johnny chants and stadium filled with Manziel jerseys didn't have an effect on the team's decision making?


You know the old saying -- coaches who succumb to fan pressure will soon be sitting among them.
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« Reply #8126 on: September 17, 2018, 10:00:14 AM »
The fans have put pressure on the team to do stupid things, like replace Hoyer with Manziel when we were 7-4.  Do you really think that all the Johnny chants and stadium filled with Manziel jerseys didn't have an effect on the team's decision making?


You know the old saying -- coaches who succumb to fan pressure will soon be sitting among them.

Reason 1,354,272 Baker shouldn't be playing yet.

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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8127 on: September 17, 2018, 10:25:01 AM »
Have the Browns cut Gonzalez yet?
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« Reply #8128 on: September 17, 2018, 10:33:20 AM »
Free agent kickers available:

Dan Bailey - All time he's an 88.2% kicker and 99.3% on PATs.  In 2017, he played 12 games for Dallas and was 15/20, though he did miss one from 20-29 yards, one from 30-39 yards, and two PATs.  Still...can't be worse than Zane.  Career long is 56 yards and he's 95+% for his career inside of 40 yards.
Kai Forbath - He's 85.9% for his career with a long of 57.  "Only" 169/180 on PATs.  Last year with Minnesota he was 32/38 on FGs.
Cairo Santos - He hasn't played a lot, but he's 90/107 for his career (84.1%) on FGs on has made 127/132 (96.2%) of PATs.
Blair Walsh: He's "only" 82.4% all-time on FGs and has made 95.1% of his PATs.

Have to act fast if Minnesota opts to dump their kicker and Zuerlein for the Rams may be out for a bit with an injury.
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Re: Cleveland Browns Discussion
« Reply #8129 on: September 17, 2018, 10:34:39 AM »
Here's the thing. Teams lose games - I will forever endorse that mantra. No one person is solely responsible.

Having said that, Gonzalez obviously was terrible and has to be cut. I also didn't like Todd Haley's play calling. Granted, Todd Haley has forgotten more football than all of us in the collective will ever know - here is my issue:

The Saints were manned up throughout most of the game, every so often they would play Cover 3, and typically you'd see Tyrod hit those middle control routes to Njoku or Higgins against it. Nonetheless, we had very favorable matchups with Callaway against a nickel safety at times, and Landry - who man to man is a good matchup against just about anyone. Tyrod was able to hit them in stride on a couple occasions after they got inside leverage and released to the seam whether it be a 12 yard dig, 5 yard under, or quick two-step slant.

We had good momentum several times mixing in the above-referenced routes and run plays out of 11 personnel - then we would suddenly run a screen or a draw. Don't get me wrong, Haley dialed up screens twice that were perfect - however only one was executed. He knew the Saints would bring pressure and he threw right into it.

I just wish he would coach a little more off of feel and a little less on the analytics of playcalling, which tells him he is overdue for X, Y, or Z.

Also, unpopular take... Hue should've given Tyrod one more shot at getting a completion to a sideline or throwing the ball away before kicking.