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Euclid: Development and News
« on: November 23, 2005, 12:53:30 PM »
This appreared in the 11/20/05 PD:


Rebirth of a factory site in Euclid
Sunday, November 20, 2005
Thomas W. Gerdel
Plain Dealer Reporter


On a bright day, sunlight streams through the factory's windows, illuminating rows of steel columns stretching to the high ceiling. But the once-productive copper and brass plant in Euclid is empty and silent except for the steady buzzing of a small power unit.

A few ceiling lights are still on, but presses, rolling mills and other heavy machinery have been stripped away, leaving deep gashes in the dirty concrete- and wood-block floor.

Vacant for the last seven years, the 63-year-old factory on East 260th Street is now headed for demolition, the first step in remaking the nearly 83-acre site into a modern business park.

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http://www.cleveland.com/business/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/business/1132392897249280.xml&coll=2
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Re: Euclid: random developments
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2006, 02:57:14 PM »
Would someone with a subscription to Crains post the article about Visconi looking to redevelop a Euclid PMX factory into retail.

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Re: Euclid: random developments
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2006, 03:37:06 PM »
From Cleveland.com

Developer eyes retail for Euclid site
1:57 p.m.

Retail could rise again in a desolate Euclid neighborhood that has seen its once-proud shopping mall dissolve into a ghost town. (Link: property listing)

Visconsi Cos., a Pepper Pike-based real estate developer, is interested in building new stores on an abandoned, 83-acre stretch of industrial property at 1121 E. 260th St.

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http://www.cleveland.com/weblogs/business/index.ssf?/mtlogs/cleve_business/archives/2006_12.html#214309
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Re: Euclid: random developments
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2006, 03:46:49 PM »
Thanks!

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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2007, 05:56:29 PM »
From the 12/12/06 PD:


Developer options Euclid property
Former PMX site across from Euclid Square Mall

Tuesday, December 12, 2006
Henry J. Gomez
Plain Dealer Reporter


Retail could rise again in a desolate Euclid neighborhood that has seen its once-proud shopping mall dissolve into a ghost town.

Visconsi Cos., a Pepper Pike-based real estate developer, is interested in building new stores on an empty, 83-acre stretch of industrial property at 1121 East 260th St.

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http://www.cleveland.com/business/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/business/116591718359880.xml&coll=2
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Re: Euclid: random developments
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2007, 03:23:33 AM »
I wonder if Wal-Mart is the angle.  The nearby WM on Vine Street is not a supercenter.

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Re: Euclid: random developments
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2007, 02:52:06 PM »
I hope its not another Wal-Mart. They talk about vacant rail lines adjacent to the site I wonder if there could be some development of that to meet up the the red line or at least build the place with that future possibility in mind.

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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2015, 10:21:57 AM »
Now why didn't we have a Euclid Developments thread until now?? We have a general discussion thread where some developments have been discussed: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,25875.0.html



Ray Fogg Corporate Properties is building on its Euclid ties with $6 million project
By STAN BULLARD
March 01, 2015 4:30 AM

A year after finishing its first office/warehouse building at Bluestone Business Center in Euclid, Ray Fogg Corporate Properties LLC already is taking steps for an encore.

Ray Fogg Jr., president of Ray Fogg Corporate Properties, said the Brooklyn Heights-based real estate developer and industrial construction contractor plans to add a building with 127,000 square feet of space at Bluestone as soon as possible this spring.

Plans call for the structure with 32-foot-tall ceilings to be ready for tenants by summer's end. The venture is a more than $6 million construction project. The industrial park is south of the East 260th Street interchange with I-90.

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http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20150301/SUB1/303019993/ray-fogg-corporate-properties-is-building-on-its-euclid-ties-with-6
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Re: Euclid: random developments
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Re: Euclid: random developments
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2015, 03:02:07 PM »
I think it needs more beige.

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Re: Euclid: random developments
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2015, 06:52:22 AM »
It is a virtual copy of another building already built and fully utilized. Not defending it in any way... just saying.

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Re: Euclid: random developments
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2015, 10:47:14 AM »
I'll take a plain Jane building, along with new or retained jobs everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

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« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2015, 08:01:14 PM »
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Re: Euclid: random developments
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2015, 08:00:33 AM »
When were these built? First I've noticed them.....

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/27181-Euclid-Ave_Euclid_OH_44132_M49543-73258?row=4



KJP,
I believe this is just the leasing office they use for their properties, which were not built in this decade..
http://www.euclidapartments.com/euclid/euclid-apartments/photos/

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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2015, 08:06:32 AM »
Ah, OK. It didn't look residential but I figured, different strokes for different folks....
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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2015, 08:07:54 AM »
Ah, OK. It didn't look residential but I figured, different strokes for different folks....

Creative use of an empty old Burger King, though..  :roll: :-P

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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2015, 08:59:03 AM »
Correct.
This is the leasing office (red) built in 2013/14 for the Euclid Apartments to the north (yellow).
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« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2015, 09:26:44 AM »
Ah, OK. It didn't look residential but I figured, different strokes for different folks....

I thought that was where the Lube Stop was... still a creative reuse nonetheless.

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« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2015, 09:43:46 AM »
Correct, that is where the Lube Stop used to be. That was demolished and the land remidiated. The leasing office is new construction. Not a re-ues of any previously existing building.

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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2015, 10:04:26 AM »
Correct, that is where the Lube Stop used to be. That was demolished and the land remidiated. The leasing office is new construction. Not a re-ues of any previously existing building.

Thanks for clarifying- I thought that was a reuse of the Lube Stop (and if you want to talk about reuses- that would have been a doosey).

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« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2015, 11:25:32 AM »
Correct, that is where the Lube Stop used to be. That was demolished and the land remidiated. The leasing office is new construction. Not a re-ues of any previously existing building.

Yes, thanks for clarifying! I think the jungle gym in the front window just screamed burger king to me. :lol:

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« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2015, 04:23:43 PM »
I'm just curious, has the Euclid mayor spoken out in favor of RTA's Red Line extension proposal?  If he has, I sure haven't heard him.  And if not, why not? ... especially given the potential for economic, TOD development in Euclid this extension could spawn. 

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« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2015, 06:32:07 PM »
I'm just curious, has the Euclid mayor spoken out in favor of RTA's Red Line extension proposal?  If he has, I sure haven't heard him.  And if not, why not? ... especially given the potential for economic, TOD development in Euclid this extension could spawn.

I would imagine that right now, it is still too far away in terms of plausibility.  Although, Cervenik is not running for reelection, so he really could speak his mind as much as he wants now, I would imagine.

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« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2015, 07:50:40 PM »
I'm just curious, has the Euclid mayor spoken out in favor of RTA's Red Line extension proposal?  If he has, I sure haven't heard him.  And if not, why not? ... especially given the potential for economic, TOD development in Euclid this extension could spawn.

I would imagine that right now, it is still too far away in terms of plausibility.  Although, Cervenik is not running for reelection, so he really could speak his mind as much as he wants now, I would imagine.

But that's the point.  Such a project becomes more plausible the more politicians speak out about it.  Keep in mind, RTA hasn't even chosen the Red Line as its Locally Preferred Option.  If politicians in the impact area of this line, including Cleveland City councilmen, like Mike Polansek and Jeff Johnson (in upper and lower Collingwood, respectively), don't speak out then RTA can quietly opt for buses with little or no pressure.   This should not be what we want.

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« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2015, 06:32:05 AM »
The consulting team will soon deliver to GCRTA the Tier 1 environmental assessment which will say that the project represents an enormous economic opportunity for Northeast Cleveland, East Cleveland and Euclid, and that the project would generate sufficient ridership in a cost-effective manner, would divert a significant number of vehicle-miles driven to transit, that GCRTA has sufficient Red Line trains to operate it, reduce the region's critical jobs-job seekers spatial disconnect, and that it would generate economic benefits sufficient to attract a full federal funding share to construct the project (about 50% of project construction costs). There are still a couple of options that survived the screening process and would be eligible for federal funds including (locally preferred alternatives-LPAs):
+ an all-rail extension to the Euclid Park-n-Ride (most expensive to build, generates the most new transit trips and benefits);
+ a hybrid rail-BRT option of extending the rail to Noble with a BRT north on East 152 to Waterloo, East 185 and Lake Shore (middle-cost, middle-benefits);
+ all-BRT option east on Euclid to East 152, Waterloo, East 185, Lake Shore (lowest-cost, lowest new transit ridership, lowest benefits).

GCRTA staff will review the consultant's report and make a recommendation to the GCRTA board on what, if any, LPA should be advanced into detailed engineering. Final engineering can cost about 5 percent of the total estimated construction cost. So for the all-rail extension, that could be about $50 million -- about 20-50 percent of that could be from nonfederal funds.
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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2015, 07:01:15 AM »
A "Park-N-Ride" type red line station (similar to Brookpark or Puritas) near Babbitt would do great. It would be the only such station in that part of eastern Cuyahoga and would draw interest from Lake County residents who could easily access it from I-90. I know these areas are served by RTA and Laketran Park-N-Ride buses during rush hours but train accessibility would offer much more flexibility in usage time. Perhaps the train station could be used as a catalyst to spur development on the large swaths of empty land occupied by the former Euclid Mall and K-Mart/Twin Value. Not to mention these properties are adjacent to the Babbitt/E.260 highway ramps.
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« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2015, 07:16:39 AM »
How about that -- a direct rail link to University Circle (rail probably would be the fastest way to get there!), downtown Cleveland and Hopkins International Airport. I could see an advanced manufacturing district in that area, including possibly replacing the mall. If a TIF were instituted, that might provide a significant part of the local funding share for the rail extension. There is also interest by the city of Cleveland of creating an innovation district around a station at Noble Road. Without the rail line, I don't see anything on the horizon that could improve the fortunes of northeast Cleveland and northern East Cleveland -- all right next to Euclid. Such a huge area cannot be allowed to remain neglected and metastasize.
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Re: Euclid: random developments
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2015, 08:08:58 AM »
^  ^^^ The plot thickens.  Muchas gracias for the intriguing update.

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« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2015, 10:56:18 AM »
KJP - if the red line to Euclid was selected, along with the costs of construction, would they also add in money for additional cars?  (my real quesion: would a Red line exentension be a back door way to get desperately needed money for train car maintenance and upkeep?)

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Re: Euclid: random developments
« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2016, 01:48:30 PM »
Correct.
This is the leasing office (red) built in 2013/14 for the Euclid Apartments to the north (yellow).

The lot of land on the upper right of this photo is being turned into a beehive farm/berry farm called Urban Renaissance Farms LLC, by a great family.  Check out their Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Urban-Renaissance-Farms-LLC-753681198071058/?fref=ts
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« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2016, 02:10:20 PM »
Correct.
This is the leasing office (red) built in 2013/14 for the Euclid Apartments to the north (yellow).

The lot of land on the upper right of this photo is being turned into a beehive farm/berry farm called Urban Renaissance Farms LLC, by a great family.  Check out their Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Urban-Renaissance-Farms-LLC-753681198071058/?fref=ts
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Yes they are great people!  I hope this venture turns a profit and inspires more similar ventures.  This a great use of land that might otherwise fester.

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« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2016, 11:20:48 AM »
Yup. P&Z approved it last month and Council gave final approval of the last week. It had to be referred to Council because it is a Use District Exemption.

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« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2016, 11:21:53 AM »
Euclid Brewing Co. to open soon, bringing needed local-beer option to East Side


Doug Fry, the soon-to-open Euclid Brewing Co. is a giant chemistry kit.

And for Fry and his wife, Kim, opening a brewery is about not having regrets.

"This is one of those things that I don't want to be sitting in my senior-care room 10, 15 years from now wondering if I didn't try it," said Fry, who on March 30 left his job as a principal scientist with Ricerca, a company that focuses on small-scale synthesis and manufacturer of drugs and clinical trials. Kim Fry will maintain her job as director of communications at St. Paul Episcopal Church in Cleveland Heights.

The couple's journey to open a brewery in the city of about 50,000 is a winding one. Fry, 56, said he grew up in New Jersey and has lived in California, Wisconsin, Connecticut, South Carolina, North Carolina and Massachusetts. They have been in Northeast Ohio since 2007. Kim, 55, is from Cincinnati; they met while undergraduates at Ohio University.

Permits are in place, and Fry is ready to begin brewing on the shiny new equipment any day. Hours are not set though they will be limited, at least to start.

The storefront brewery, at 21950 Lakeshore Blvd., is located across Beach Club Bistro and is sandwiched between Lakeshore Coffee and Back Alley Antiques.

The space has 20 or so seats at reclaimed lab tables, plus there's a small bar overlooking the kettles.


http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/04/euclid_brewing_co_close_to_ope.html
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« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2016, 07:49:30 AM »
Cross-posted from the Euclid Thread:



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« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2016, 10:02:05 AM »
Photo update on the site of the new Wastewater Treatment Plant building and its associated underground 300 million gallon equalization tank. IIRC, this is hole between and 80 and 100 feet deep.


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« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2016, 01:24:17 PM »

Cross-posted for your enjoyment as well as theirs:


HGR announces new national automotive tenant


Nope, HGR Industrial Surplus is not getting into the used car business, but DriveTime, a new national automotive tenant, will be joining HGR Industrial Surplus and NEO Sports Complex at Nickel Plate Station, 20001 Euclid Avenue, Euclid, Ohio, in September.


The company is based out of Arizona and sells used cars. It currently has 139 dealerships throughout the country and is planning to open 10 more by the end of the year. Its geographic region started in the west and is expanding to the East Coast.  It employees more than 1,000 people. The company’s largest competitor in the area is CarMax.


The facility in Euclid will be used as an inspection and distribution center. DriveTime will buy used cars and ship them into Euclid for service and detailing. From there, they will be sent to one of its retail locations for sale.  The inspection center will have more than 20 car lifts, mechanics area, spray booths, wash stations, and other car service features.  The center will be its largest in the country, eventually feeding at least 11 retail locations. The retail locations will stretch from Detroit to Erie, Pennsylvania.


The inspection center will process approximately 56 vehicles per day.  It will utilize the large parking lot for unfinished and finished cars. The center will employee between 85 to 100 people.  The company will be conducting a fit out for new offices and bathrooms within the facility and will be investing more than $2 million into its operation.


https://hgrinc.com/hgr-announces-new-national-automotive-tenant/

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« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2016, 05:48:15 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2016, 06:02:01 AM »
I have a fledging Urban Farm in Euclid on the old St. Roberts site.  Check it out: https://www.facebook.com/VeteransCombatingChildHungerFarm/photos/a.652743118196333.1073741828.652643151539663/831717496965560/?type=3&theater

This is a great re-use of this land.  What if all of the unused/underused land in Euclid became urban farm?  Sure, it wouldn't generate a whole lot of tax revenue, but neither is unused land!  Plus, think of all the good an urban farm does; environmental, humanistic, aesthetic. 

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« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2016, 06:12:00 PM »
I have a fledging Urban Farm in Euclid on the old St. Roberts site.  Check it out: https://www.facebook.com/VeteransCombatingChildHungerFarm/photos/a.652743118196333.1073741828.652643151539663/831717496965560/?type=3&theater

Thats exactly why we do it.  Utilize vets who want to be used.  Reduce municipal budget spent on maintaining these lots.  Teach kids/community about soil/environment/nutrition/sustainability.  As we get better we will find a way to monetize parts of it to self sustain but first we are learning to work with our soil.  City of Euclid aka Paul Beno have been very helpful obtaining leases/permissions etc. 

This is a great re-use of this land.  What if all of the unused/underused land in Euclid became urban farm?  Sure, it wouldn't generate a whole lot of tax revenue, but neither is unused land!  Plus, think of all the good an urban farm does; environmental, humanistic, aesthetic. 

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« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2017, 11:22:04 AM »
Simon's Supermarket opening Feb. 4 aims to be fresh food oasis in former food desert
By Janet H. Cho

Simon Hussain didn't want to simply open a supermarket in the Euclid Richmond Shopping Center; he wanted to open a neighborhood grocery store that would draw people now driving miles out of the city to feed their families.

On Feb. 4, when he formally welcomes customers to the grand opening of his third family-owned food market, he will find out if he succeeded.

More importantly, his store will provide an oasis of fresh food in an area that both the city and state had previously identified as a food desert -- a census tract with a poverty rate of 20 percent or higher, where residents live more than 1/2 a mile from a full-service supermarket, but may not drive.

Local and state officials believed so strongly in Simon's Supermarket that they awarded Hussain $775,000 in grants and loans to help defray his startup costs: a $250,000 grant and a $400,000 loan from the Healthy Food For Ohio Program; and a $125,000 grant from the City of Euclid's HUD-funded storefront renovation program.

Roger Sikes, program manager for the Cuyahoga County Board of Health's Creating Healthy Communities initiative, said officials are pleased with how the store turned out, as well as how responsive Hussain has been to his neighbors' suggestions. Hussain has a strong track record of listening to his customers.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2017/01/simons_supermarket_opening_feb.html
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« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2017, 07:23:03 PM »
Gaining a grocery store, especially a locally owned non-chain, is a great step for this neighborhood.  Frankly, I'm surprised the area turned into a food desert in the first place.  It's less than a mile south of the old Euclid Square Mall, which featured a full service Rini-Rego grocery store in its day.  In fact, the shopping center where the current Simon's operates used to support a decent sized Bi-rite as well.  The neighborhood has extensive built-in freeway access, is very close to the Lake county line, and (as the article states) is a in the middle of a dense residential area with several high-rise apartment complexes to the south and west.  I really hope it succeeds.  This region could use another Marc's- or Dave's-type local grocery company.
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« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2017, 03:34:36 PM »
Gaining a grocery store, especially a locally owned non-chain, is a great step for this neighborhood.  Frankly, I'm surprised the area turned into a food desert in the first place.  It's less than a mile south of the old Euclid Square Mall, which featured a full service Rini-Rego grocery store in its day.  In fact, the shopping center where the current Simon's operates used to support a decent sized Bi-rite as well.  The neighborhood has extensive built-in freeway access, is very close to the Lake county line, and (as the article states) is a in the middle of a dense residential area with several high-rise apartment complexes to the south and west.  I really hope it succeeds.  This region could use another Marc's- or Dave's-type local grocery company.

I do think it's great, but there also is a Giant Eagle and a Dave's less than a mile away. Within 2/3 more miles you have 2 more Dave's, another Marc's, an Aldi, and Sweetberry Fresh Market, and two more Giant Eagle's not far after that. I get the idea that not everyone can drive- but this is hardly a food "desert" when it comes to grocery stores. The writer is exaggerating a bit.

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« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2017, 06:43:00 PM »
It isn't the writer exaggerating.  "...both the city and state had previously identified as a food desert -- a census tract with a poverty rate of 20 percent or higher, where residents live more than 1/2 a mile from a full-service supermarket, but may not drive."

Poorly written, yes.
"May I drive to the grocery store?"

No you may not.

It's not surprising to me that this area was a "food desert".  It is a geographically isolated area, with the railroad, dead mall and industry, and the Shoreway to the north, more industry to the west, the 90 spur to the East, and the Euclid-Chardon bluff to the south.  Rini-Rego operated out of Euclid Mall which made sense in the heyday of the mall as the center of retail for the region but once that died it was only a matter of time before this little section of town, which has been the poorest section of Euclid going back at least 30 years, did too.

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« Reply #45 on: March 17, 2017, 08:57:44 AM »
@musky

  • Where did you get this information?  There's no text or article or anything, just a photoshopped screenshot of a facility and Google Maps.
  • If this is true, please let it mean same day Prime deliveries!

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« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2017, 09:09:42 AM »
@musky

  • Where did you get this information?  There's no text or article or anything, just a photoshopped screenshot of a facility and Google Maps.
  • If this is true, please let it mean same day Prime deliveries!

Go back and look through Musky's old posts to see how he knows. Awesome tip, Musky. Thanks!
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« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2017, 02:31:28 PM »
I just had a convo with a friend of mine who accepted an HR mgmt position with Amazon in Cleveland .  She wouldn't tell me where they will be located, but did mention they are planning on opening three or four distribution centers around Cleveland. 

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« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2017, 03:08:18 PM »
I think I saw something on the news about Twinsburg already hiring for one of the locations

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« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2017, 06:50:09 AM »
I think I saw something on the news about Twinsburg already hiring for one of the locations

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170423/NEWS/170429935/amazon-is-leasing-large-space-in-euclid

Curious how many jobs this will be.  Great to see this.

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« Reply #51 on: April 25, 2017, 08:37:03 AM »
Meh

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« Reply #52 on: April 25, 2017, 08:40:16 AM »
In other Euclid news:

Please join us for Chipotle’s Grand Opening!
Thursday, April 27th, 2017
10:30am = Ribbon Cutting
10:45am = Doors open to the public
Chipotle: 22250 Lakeshore Boulevard (Downtown Euclid)
 
We hope you can join us at 10:30am for brief remarks by Chipotle General Manager, Brooke Shultz, Euclid Mayor Holzheimer Gail and Director of Planning and Development Jonathan Holody. A ribbon cutting by the Euclid Chamber of Commerce to proceed doors opening to the public at 10:45am.
 
No RSVP needed.
 
Please share the Grand Opening with your network via the link found here. The first 100 customers will receive a free Chipotle swag bag.
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« Reply #53 on: April 25, 2017, 09:00:59 AM »
Meh

Ahh... bummer.  I guess this is the future of retail.

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« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2017, 01:39:59 PM »
Too bad there isnt a business case for Amazon to re purpose old malls.  90% Amazon distribution center, 10% restaurant / retail

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« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2017, 03:07:21 PM »
Too bad there isnt a business case for Amazon to re purpose old malls.  90% Amazon distribution center, 10% restaurant / retail

And part of that 10 percent being an Amazon outlet store of unclaimed merchandise sold at a discount.
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« Reply #56 on: April 27, 2017, 09:09:47 AM »
Oh, I wouldn't worry about that old mall very much. It has been officially condemned and has been completely vacated. All of the churches that were there are gone.


All of this is about to change very soon though and it will include a complete remake of about 65 acres of the site into something pretty awesome.



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« Reply #57 on: April 27, 2017, 09:33:17 AM »
Oh, I wouldn't worry about that old mall very much. It has been officially condemned and has been completely vacated. All of the churches that were there are gone.


All of this is about to change very soon though and it will include a complete remake of about 65 acres of the site into something pretty awesome.


Cool!  Now if only they would consider extending the Red Line out there.

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« Reply #58 on: April 27, 2017, 09:34:57 AM »
Oh, I wouldn't worry about that old mall very much. It has been officially condemned and has been completely vacated. All of the churches that were there are gone.


All of this is about to change very soon though and it will include a complete remake of about 65 acres of the site into something pretty awesome.




You suck. So bad.


Cool!  Now if only they would consider extending the Red Line out there.

Oh they've considered it, weighed it against the alternatives, and would love to recommend it if only for a lack of funding.
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« Reply #59 on: April 27, 2017, 10:43:51 AM »
Well, someone did file for next month's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting on May 9.
So, I suppose it is public record... if only someone where to submit a public records request to the City

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« Reply #60 on: April 27, 2017, 10:48:53 AM »
Meanwhile... down on the farm:
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« Reply #61 on: April 27, 2017, 03:03:02 PM »
Well, someone did file for next month's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting on May 9.
So, I suppose it is public record... if only someone where to submit a public records request to the City

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« Reply #62 on: April 27, 2017, 04:02:54 PM »
Oh, I wouldn't worry about that old mall very much. It has been officially condemned and has been completely vacated. All of the churches that were there are gone.


All of this is about to change very soon though and it will include a complete remake of about 65 acres of the site into something pretty awesome.




IKEA...


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« Reply #63 on: April 28, 2017, 10:06:02 AM »
Oh, I wouldn't worry about that old mall very much. It has been officially condemned and has been completely vacated. All of the churches that were there are gone.


All of this is about to change very soon though and it will include a complete remake of about 65 acres of the site into something pretty awesome.




You're killin me, smalls! Lol. When will we have more info on this? Sounds exciting

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« Reply #64 on: May 03, 2017, 08:05:09 AM »
Planning and Zoning Commission meeting agenda:
https://goo.gl/xzHAcV




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« Reply #65 on: May 03, 2017, 08:19:28 AM »
Planning and Zoning Commission meeting agenda:
https://goo.gl/xzHAcV



That is very interesting...

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« Reply #66 on: May 03, 2017, 09:06:24 AM »
Bye, Euclid Square Mall; hello Amazon?
Ken Prendergast
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After 40 years, Euclid Square Mall is destined to be physically replaced by the latest thing in retailing -- E-commerce. The mall, having closed Sept. 19, 2016 after years of limping along with two dozen churches as its remaining tenants, is vacated and officially condemned by the city for safety violations. Euclid Square Mall had succumbed to the changing retail market and population shifts long ago.

Circumstantial evidence suggests the replacement for the 687,000-square-foot shopping mall will be a massive distribution facility for the online retail giant Amazon. Called a Fulfillment Center, the facility would measure at least 650,000 square feet and possibly be as large as 1 million square feet. Based on similar projects elsewhere in Ohio, it would represent a capital investment in facilities and equipment of more than $100 million and result in the hiring of more than 600 permanent jobs.

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« Reply #67 on: May 04, 2017, 08:05:56 AM »
Planning and Zoning Commission meeting agenda:
https://goo.gl/xzHAcV



That is very interesting...

Very intrigued.  :-o

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« Reply #68 on: May 04, 2017, 09:21:20 AM »
Euclid Square Mall, now dead, could be demolished for massive industrial project
By Michelle Jarboe

Another dead Northeast Ohio mall could be bulldozed for an industrial project, under plans being floated by an Atlanta-area developer that has constructed sprawling distribution centers for Amazon.com and other retail behemoths.

On Tuesday, Euclid's Planning and Zoning Commission will consider a request to rezone a 66-acre site, spanning Euclid Square Mall and a few adjacent parcels, from retail to industrial use. Documents filed with the city identify Seefried Industrial Properties, Inc., of Georgia as the potential buyer of the properties.

And those documents show that Seefried wants to construct a massive building - 650,000 to 1 million square feet - where the vacant mall now stands.


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http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2017/05/euclid_square_mall_now_dead_co.html
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« Reply #69 on: May 04, 2017, 09:22:32 AM »
Copy cat.
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« Reply #70 on: May 05, 2017, 01:14:54 AM »
Info above says 4 local Amazon facilities are rumored to be in the overall Amazon plans for CLE.

The Euclid mall spot would appear to be a full Amazon warehouse/fulfillment center (not sure if large or small package.. they sometimes build both in an area... to handle different types of products). This is an unusual urban location for an Amazon FC (my company ships to dozens of them, most rural...)

The recently opened Twinsburg facility is a sortation center that merely sorts orders sent from other Amazon facilities down to the post office closest to delivery address.

The smaller, already operating Euclid facility is a delivery center, from which packages from other Amazon locations are sent directly to consumers via couriers, etc

The 4th facility rumored is quite possibly a Prime Now hub from which items could be delivered to consumers within hours of order.


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« Reply #71 on: May 10, 2017, 08:15:31 AM »
Planning and Zoning Commission approved (4-0, one member absent) to recommend the rezoning of Euclid Square Mall properties.
Next up, Council for three readings and Architectural Review Board

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« Reply #72 on: September 20, 2017, 07:59:41 AM »
Meeting last night with the Architectural Review Board: schematic approval given



Euclid fulfillment center project - possibly Amazon - on dead mall site gets design approval

The massive industrial project slated to replace Euclid Square Mall won design approval late Tuesday. And though the developer wouldn't identify the tenant, several clues - the size, layout, function and color scheme - point to Amazon.

Euclid's Architectural Review Board approved schematic plans for a huge fulfillment center that will supplant the dead mall, which closed last year. The building will occupy a 650,000-square-foot footprint and, with two levels of robotic storage tucked above the main floor, contain 1.7 million square feet of floor space.

Plans also call for 53 truck docks and parking for 200 trailers and nearly 1,800 cars.

Executives with Seefried Industrial Properties, the developer, won't say who needs that much space. And during an hour-long design discussion, review board members didn't ask about the building's intended occupant.

But Seefried, based in Atlanta, is the same developer behind an Amazon fulfillment center being constructed on the former site of Randall Park Mall, a 20-mile drive from Euclid. And documents submitted to Euclid's planning department show a tan-and-brown building with orangey-gold accents - an orangey-gold that looks a lot like one of Amazon's signature colors.

A spokeswoman for the Seattle-based e-commerce giant wouldn't confirm anything Wednesday morning. "Amazon has a practice of not commenting on speculation," she said.

Seefried has a deal to buy the 68-acre Euclid site, which includes the shuttered mall and freestanding buildings on its fringes. The purchases, from multiple owners, could take place within 30 days, said David Riefe, the developer's senior vice president for the Midwest.


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« Reply #73 on: September 20, 2017, 01:12:17 PM »
My source close to Amazon says this will be a delivery station, much smaller than the fulfillment center in North Randall.

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« Reply #74 on: September 20, 2017, 01:49:49 PM »
I'm told the smaller Amazon delivery station you note is already operating in Euclid (I actually received a shipment from it last week per the Amazon tracking info provided to me..) - though there has been little press on its existence. This new facility is a full blown fulfillment center that's actually a bit larger than North Randall, depending on how you count the square footage.
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« Reply #75 on: September 20, 2017, 02:36:58 PM »
My source close to Amazon says this will be a delivery station, much smaller than the fulfillment center in North Randall.

That's planned for across 260th in Bluestone Business Park (about 80,000 square feet).  The size of the mall site facility as suggested by the renderings present to the Architectural Review Board suggest a facility with a 650,000 square foot footprint and 1.7 million total square feet of space when storage is factored in.  That's more in line with a Small Sortable Fulfillment Center, which typically range from 600,000 to 1.2 million square feet.

Here's a link to the Crain's article concerning the delivery station:

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170423/NEWS/170429935/amazon-is-leasing-large-space-in-euclid

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« Reply #76 on: September 20, 2017, 04:50:23 PM »
It's kind of interesting that they keep building on dead mall sites, seeing as online shopping had a large part in killing the malls in the first place.

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« Reply #77 on: September 21, 2017, 07:34:16 AM »

The operation currently located on Bluestone Boulevard is indeed a fully operating small delivery facility using the sorting code of CLE1 It uses an app where "private contractors" (people with a car) can pick up 20-40 packages and deliver them over a 3-4 hour time period typically all within the same zip code. It's been in operation since this past spring.


Whatever operation will happen on the mall site is listed on the various Planning and Zoning Commission and Architectural Review Board applications as a "fulfillment center".




That is all



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« Reply #78 on: September 21, 2017, 08:26:22 AM »

The operation currently located on Bluestone Boulevard is indeed a fully operating small delivery facility using the sorting code of CLE1 It uses an app where "private contractors" (people with a car) can pick up 20-40 packages and deliver them over a 3-4 hour time period typically all within the same zip code. It's been in operation since this past spring.


Whatever operation will happen on the mall site is listed on the various Planning and Zoning Commission and Architectural Review Board applications as a "fulfillment center".




That is all

Dang,  this is pretty huge news - I've wanted this for years since I first heard of it. I wonder when we will get new delivery options for us Prime members? 

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« Reply #79 on: September 28, 2017, 08:15:58 AM »

Amazon Continues Growth in Ohio with Euclid Fulfillment Center

New facility will employ more than 1,000 associates
SEATTLE--(BUSINESS WIRE)—Sept. 27, 2017-- Amazon.com, Inc. (NASDAQ: AMZN) today announced plans to open its fifth Ohio fulfillment center in Euclid, which will create more than 1,000 full-time positions. The company recently announced upcoming fulfillment centers in Monroe and North Randall, and it currently operates fulfillment centers in Etna and Obetz.

“Our growth in Ohio is the result of an outstanding workforce and incredible customers,” said Sanjay Shah, Amazon’s Vice President of North America Customer Fulfillment. “We are proud to be adding 1,000 new jobs to the more than 6,000 Amazonians already working in the state.”

“Amazon continues to demonstrate confidence in Ohio’s communities and people by growing throughout the state,” said JobsOhio President and Chief Investment Officer John Minor. “Amazon’s investment in Euclid will bring another new, high-tech facility and 1,000 full-time jobs to a vacant property.”
Associates at the 650,000-square-foot facility will pick, pack and ship customer items such as electronics, books, housewares and toys.

“We are thrilled to welcome Amazon and Seefried Industrial Properties to the City of Euclid, said City of Euclid Mayor Kirsten Holzheimer Gail. “The Euclid Square Mall site has been a prime target of our redevelopment efforts.  While some saw a vacant mall, we saw an opportunity for growth and development. This project is a fantastic addition to the investment we are seeing in our industrial corridor and will provide valuable employment opportunities for our residents. I truly appreciate the support and professionalism of Team NEO, Greater Cleveland Partnership, Cuyahoga County, the Ohio Department of Transportation, Euclid City Council and my administration for helping make this transformative project a reality.”

Full-time employees at Amazon receive competitive hourly wages and a comprehensive benefits package, including healthcare, 401(k) and company stock awards starting on day one.

“Over the last two years, we’ve been laser focused on creating jobs,” said Armond Budish, Cuyahoga County executive. “It’s very exciting to support a second Amazon distribution center, creating another 1,000 jobs for residents in the county, in addition to the 2,000 jobs at the Randall Park Mall site. These newly announced Amazon projects provide two great advantages: 3,000 new jobs and valuable repurposing of two vacant malls.”

Amazon also offers regular full-time employees maternity and parental leave benefits and access to innovative programs like Career Choice, where it will pre-pay up to 95 percent of tuition for courses related to in-demand fields, regardless of whether the skills are relevant to a career at Amazon. Since the program’s launch, more than 10,000 employees have pursued degrees in game design and visual communications, nursing, IT programming and radiology, to name a few.

“Amazon’s confidence in greater Cleveland continues,” said Joe Roman, president and CEO of the Greater Cleveland Partnership. “In the last 30 days, Amazon has committed to creating 3,000 new jobs and repurposing over 125 acres of under-utilized property. The GCP remains committed to the company’s long-term success in Northeast Ohio.”

To learn more about working at an Amazon fulfillment center, visit www.amazondelivers.jobs.

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« Reply #80 on: September 28, 2017, 08:48:16 AM »
MJ quickly jumps on the story.......

Amazon confirms plans for Euclid fulfillment center, replacing another dead mall (photos)
By Michelle Jarboe, The Plain Dealer
on September 28, 2017 at 9:00 AM, updated September 28, 2017 at 9:28 AM

EUCLID, Ohio - Amazon plans to bring a second fulfillment center - and 1,000 additional jobs - to Northeast Ohio, replacing another dead shopping mall with an e-commerce hub.

The Seattle-based company finalized a lease Wednesday on a planned 650,000-square-foot building in Euclid, on the site of the empty Euclid Square Mall. The deal coalesced barely a month after Amazon committed to its first such local project, an even larger facility set to open next year in North Randall, where Randall Park Mall once stood.

In its quest to deliver products to customers faster, Amazon is bulking up its presence in Ohio and other states. Two fulfillment centers opened in the Columbus area last year, about 20 miles apart - roughly the driving distance between Euclid and North Randall. And the company recently confirmed plans for a project in Monroe, between Dayton and Cincinnati.

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« Reply #81 on: September 28, 2017, 08:59:09 AM »
This is tremendous news for Euclid.  The part of town where this will be built has been struggling for years, and hopefully many of those 1,000 jobs or so will go to nearby residents.  It would also be nice if there was some spillover effect to nearby properties and businesses, because there's a lot of available industrial land and buildings in the vicinity that could be repurposed to support the fulfillment center.  Maybe someone on here with more knowledge about the effect these types of projects have on the surrounding neighborhood can comment?  It just seems that a 1 million+ square foot building with a thousand or so employees is the type of tide that can lift all boats, but I could be wrong.

Euclid has been doing a good job the last five years or so capitalizing on its lakefront (which is admittedly somewhat disconnected geographically from this project).  Hopefully the tax and employment base this project brings will help the city capitalize on that momentum in the coming years.

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« Reply #82 on: September 28, 2017, 09:06:22 AM »
This is tremendous news for Euclid.  The part of town where this will be built has been struggling for years, and hopefully many of those 1,000 jobs or so will go to nearby residents.  It would also be nice if there was some spillover effect to nearby properties and businesses, because there's a lot of available industrial land and buildings in the vicinity that could be repurposed to support the fulfillment center.  Maybe someone on here with more knowledge about the effect these types of projects have on the surrounding neighborhood can comment?  It just seems that a 1 million+ square foot building with a thousand or so employees is the type of tide that can lift all boats, but I could be wrong.

I would be very surprised if this doesn't result in additional development nearby for restaurants and shops.  Nearby food options are sure to multiply, and the food places nearby on Euclid Avenue must be very pleased; they will get plenty of additional business both during and after construction.

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Re: Euclid: Development and News
« Reply #83 on: September 28, 2017, 09:07:20 AM »
Well, there is already an Amazon Flex fulfillment center across the street from East 260th in Bluestone II. Bluestone I has been fully leased for a couple of years and ground was just broken on the 75k sq ft Bluestone III. Further west on St. Clair is the 25k sq ft expansion of Keene Building Products and there's also Lincoln Electric campus with the almost finished $3 million Welding Technology School

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Re: Euclid: Development and News
« Reply #84 on: September 28, 2017, 05:29:38 PM »
Cleveland really lucked out with Amazon. I'm not sure about other cities, but the Cincinnati/Dayton and Columbus sites are all way out in exurban greenfields. Cleveland gets two highly distressed properties completely repurposed and brought into use generating jobs and taxes in two inner ring suburbs who could really use it. All with no or minimal infrastructure investments from the public as its all in place.

There was a rumor before of a third location possibly on the west side. Is there precedence for a city our size having three of these? I could see the city giving up the IX center for one.

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Re: Euclid: Development and News
« Reply #85 on: September 28, 2017, 08:23:46 PM »
If the IX was up for sale it would immediately be bought up by amazon being adjacent to the airport. But since it's an active convention center for the bigger conventions in the region, those that are too big for Huntington, I don't see the IX being sold up anytime soon. There's practically no question that using two in such a tight vicinity is quite a test in itself. Not really confident we could support a third, but I think it would be practical to have a fulfillment center close to the airport for air freighting.

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« Reply #86 on: September 28, 2017, 09:13:57 PM »
Amazon could have five facilities next to each other and it might not matter. They all do different things. If there is a west side location being discussed, it could be  a Prime Now hub to complement the Twinsburg sorting center and Euclid delivery center already running and the two new facilities just announced (noted in the PD as small package centers, bit one could be a large package pne, etc...). NEO will have exactly as many as needed to support 4MM people, to be sure. Amazon's pretty good at this!

As comparison, I see indianapolis, for instance, has at least 5 different amazon warehouse facilities - and they have about half NEO's population.

I really just can't believe these close-in mall properties have found a use. Kind of unbelievable, really, isn't it? May not win the HQ2 competition but CLE has kind of already won.


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« Reply #87 on: October 31, 2017, 12:20:48 PM »
Something is moving into the former B&B Appliance building already. Think of a furniture place that recently lost their building to a fire

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« Reply #88 on: October 31, 2017, 12:31:36 PM »
Northeast Factory Direct of Eastlake. Glad to see the inmigration of an employer.
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« Reply #89 on: November 12, 2017, 03:39:42 PM »
Euclid close to building lakefront trail that could set a precedent in Great Lakes (photos, video)
Posted 5:59 AM November 12, 2017
By Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer

EUCLID, Ohio - Cleveland may be the grand poo-bah on Lake Erie, but Euclid, its third-largest suburb, is close to realizing a brilliant lakefront project that could serve as a precedent for the big city next door, if not the entire Great Lakes region.

After nearly a decade of spadework, Euclid could soon extend a public trail along three quarters of a mile of reconstructed shoreline on private property east of Sims Park, its main waterfront park.

The big idea is that in exchange for access to the land through easements, the city would take responsibility for solving erosion that threatens homes and apartment buildings.

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http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2017/11/euclid_close_to_building_lakef.html#incart_river_index
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Re: Euclid: Development and News
« Reply #90 on: November 13, 2017, 06:55:06 AM »
Here's the problem with this plan....

Working with design consultants from Detroit-based SmithGroupJJR, Euclid proposed to property owners that it would clean up and re-engineer the shoreline to make it erosion resistant and more habitat-friendly for wildlife, in exchange for the right to create the waterfront trail.

Beaches NEED erosion in order to exist, it's all a natural process called littoral drift, and it's disrupted by armoring the coastline.

https://revisionworld.com/sites/revisionworld.com/files/imce/longshore%20drift.jpg

This erosion issue really needs to be addressed across the board in a coherent statewide plan. Unfortunately Ohio seems light years away from any such solution.

I applaud Euclid for their efforts, there are surely some good elements to their plan. Their hearts in the right place. But it won't give us those expansive beaches that we had in the past. Sure there will be pockets of beach surrounded by piers and very unnatural looking breakwalls, but not much.

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Re: Euclid: Development and News
« Reply #91 on: November 14, 2017, 02:01:37 PM »
^They did engineer a good beach at Sims park

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« Reply #92 on: November 14, 2017, 02:25:31 PM »
^They did engineer a good beach at Sims park

Well, I'm conflicted on Sims. Here's why. They did successfully collect a significant amount of sand. But the method they used required depositing all those rocks, walling off an equally significant portion of the water in the process.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RCuNQBU5k0Y/UGzzEw1FZLI/AAAAAAAAGP8/aKcBZPNzYGA/s1600/P9130956.JPG

You see a similar thing at Presque Isle, which to me looks very unnatural - and it is. Perhaps it's a lesser of evils, but I don't know.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CSq5fh4s2Rk/maxresdefault.jpg

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Re: Euclid: Development and News
« Reply #93 on: December 01, 2017, 12:26:05 PM »
Another Northeast Ohio dead mall bites the dust, making way for an e-commerce hub.
http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2017/12/euclid_square_mall_demolition.html
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Re: Euclid: Development and News
« Reply #94 on: December 01, 2017, 12:48:29 PM »
Here's the problem with this plan....

Working with design consultants from Detroit-based SmithGroupJJR, Euclid proposed to property owners that it would clean up and re-engineer the shoreline to make it erosion resistant and more habitat-friendly for wildlife, in exchange for the right to create the waterfront trail.

Beaches NEED erosion in order to exist, it's all a natural process called littoral drift, and it's disrupted by armoring the coastline.

https://revisionworld.com/sites/revisionworld.com/files/imce/longshore%20drift.jpg

This erosion issue really needs to be addressed across the board in a coherent statewide plan. Unfortunately Ohio seems light years away from any such solution.

I applaud Euclid for their efforts, there are surely some good elements to their plan. Their hearts in the right place. But it won't give us those expansive beaches that we had in the past. Sure there will be pockets of beach surrounded by piers and very unnatural looking breakwalls, but not much.

You would think JJR would be acutely aware of that after being sued by residents of Madison Twp.  after designing the North Perry Village marina which trapped sand and disrupted littoral drift.  Instead of a sand beach, we now have a hideous riprap revetment protecting our bluff and a concrete set of stairs over the revetment to access the lake.  http://www.news-herald.com/article/hr/20141205/NEWS/141209643

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« Reply #95 on: December 01, 2017, 01:06:37 PM »
You would think JJR would be acutely aware of that after being sued by residents of Madison Twp.  after designing the North Perry Village marina which trapped sand and disrupted littoral drift.  Instead of a sand beach, we now have a hideous riprap revetment protecting our bluff and a concrete set of stairs over the revetment to access the lake.  http://www.news-herald.com/article/hr/20141205/NEWS/141209643


What a mess. And the city has to pay for dredging the marina and dumping the dredged material at the homeowners shoreline. From the article.

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Ondrey and Markowitz broke down the improvements as follow:

• A new layer of stones will be installed along the plaintiffs’ bluffs.

• Sand from outside the area will be moved and nourished on the plaintiff’s shorelines.

• The marina’s bin wall will be extended to keep the trapped sand west of the structure and not inside. This will allow an easier time for contractors to dredge the sand and move it east of the marina.

North Perry has been contracting sand dredging at the marina since 2011, moving it east of the marina to renourish the plaintiff’s shorelines. That agreement won’t be changing because of the settlement.

“They’re always going to have to keep dredging as long as the marina is there,” Markowitz said.
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This year, the village spent $153,000 on five dredging projects.

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« Reply #96 on: December 01, 2017, 02:02:17 PM »
Lucky for North Perry they have the nuclear plant to provide plenty of funding for such endeavors. And for paying settlements. http://www.news-herald.com/general-news/20170217/north-perrys-lake-erie-sand-dredging-lawsuit-settled