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Offline TwoStickney419

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Re: Toledo: Southwyck Redevelopment
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Re: Toledo: Southwyck Redevelopment
« Reply #61 on: January 22, 2017, 11:40:01 AM »
something like crocker park or the greene lifestyle mall type developments would be a good fit for that property. except as a hybrid with more emphasis on housing and business sites and less on retail.

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Re: Toledo: Southwyck Redevelopment
« Reply #62 on: March 07, 2017, 03:54:36 PM »
One of the big problems with Southwyck and that Southwest Toledo annex area is that it wasn't fully built out until the 1960s and 1970s. It is designed for cars. This really limits its potential without major infrastructure changes. The streets are wide, and though Toledo does a good job with crosswalks and sidewalks (Lucas County in general seems better than normal with that compared to other metro area's suburban districts), it just isn't walkable. It would take a sea change to ever make it walkable. This would require public money that Toledo/Lucas County just doesn't have.

Toledo has a lot of momentum right now in core neighborhoods like Downtown/Warehouse District/Uptown, and signs of stabilization are being seen in Vistula, Lagrange, Old West End, East Toledo, and Old South End. I don't think Toledo's population will drop much below 275,000 people by the 2020 census. There may even be a slight turnaround by then due to all of the recent urban core housing developments. Where the big losses are likely to be seen is in mid-century suburban annex areas like Southwyck along with the continuing depopulation of West-Central Toledo (now Toledo's worst urban slums). Maumee also seems to have recently lost a lot of population (maybe a latent effect of the Ford plant closure?). So Southwyck is basically at the end of a string of declining neighborhoods stretching from West-Central Toledo to Maumee. There is a long line of urban and suburban slums along Airport Highway that is going to be tough to turn around any time soon. That is now arguably the hardest area of Toledo to redevelop. It is car dependent, and even at its peak, it never had anywhere near the density of Toledo's urban core neighborhoods or stuff closer to the Maumee River. Southwest Toledo also lacks anchor institutions. At least further north by UT, the university can be a major impetus for urban infill in the far west side. While MUO is not far from Southwyck, like many hospitals, it's an island with zero urban development around it.

*I feel at least part of the new focus on the urban core is due to crime drops in the greater downtown area and first ring urban neighborhoods. The urban core feels a little safer than it did five years ago. At the same time, it seems like crime may be increasing in second ring and outer neighborhoods of Toledo. The Southwyck area is really dismal right now, and the loss of that big hotel makes it feel even more dead. It's tough to imagine much investment there...

Reynolds Road and Airport Highway are just depressing and ugly. With all this said, the location is still superior to Fallen Timbers and much more centered for metro Toledo's population. Though I'd argue Southwyck can't be redeveloped with retail unless Fallen Timbers goes under. Malls are dying nationwide and there is only room for one big retail center in the southwestern metro area...

Just out of curiosity, how is Springfield's Spring Meadows doing?
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Re: Toledo: Southwyck Redevelopment
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Re: Toledo: Southwyck Redevelopment
« Reply #64 on: May 11, 2017, 12:30:33 AM »
I don't get out to Spring Meadows often but it seems to be keeping up okay. Stores go out of business occasionally but seem to be replaced with other popular stores, and there's lots of new external restaurants like ChikFilA, Starbucks, Panda express, and others popping up so it's doing okay.

From the time it was proposed, I thought Fallen Timbers was a bad idea. They thought it would thrive off the growth in that end of the county but while being near a lot of booming suburban residential growth, it still manages to feel like it's in the middle of the countryside. Anymore it really just exists as a quicker, uncrowded alternative to Franklin Park. They didn't design it well though. As a "lifestyle center" outdoor mall thing, Levis Commons is more aesthetic, feels more like a dense, vibrant little downtown where FT feels really open and wide and drab. I think the main full service restaurants at FT are Granite City, PF Changs, and Tilted Kilt.....if they're all still there.

Franklin Park is really the only mall the city needs in this day and age. It keeps up with renovations and additions and is always packed.

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Re: Toledo: Southwyck Redevelopment
« Reply #65 on: November 03, 2017, 05:51:44 PM »

Toledo offers Southwyck to Amazon in bid for HQ2

The contest for Amazon's HQ2 is on and Toledo's bid for the massive, well-paying employer is a $780 million incentive package that includes tax exemptions, the land where Southwyck Shopping Center once stood in South Toledo, and 521 acres in the city of Maumee.
As a way to strengthen the proposal, Toledo officials said they included Maumee, and land around the Shops at Fallen Timbers, in its bid for Amazon to locate a new headquarters in the area.
http://www.toledoblade.com/business/2017/10/19/Toledo-s-bid-for-HQ2-worth-780-Million.html

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Re: Toledo: Southwyck Redevelopment
« Reply #66 on: November 04, 2017, 10:25:25 PM »
Im glad we made an attempt, as unlikely as it is we would ever win. For starters, we dont even meet the 1 million population mark that Amazon desires for a new home city. We also dont have an international airport, which I imagine isnt very impressive. And while I love Toledo and think its making great progress in its revitalization downtown, were still far from being the large, progressive, cosmopolitan, hip, city that I imagine Amazon sees itself setting up shop in....especially when it comes to where theyre employees would want to live and work.

But like I said, it never hurts to try. Cant win if you dont play.