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Cleveland: Scranton Peninsula: Development and News
« on: July 02, 2005, 12:22:30 AM »
I don't know how many of you have seen this, but I found on Peter Calthorpe's excellent website a two-page PDF overview of a possible plan for the Scranton Peninsula. Go to http://www.calthorpe.com/ and then click on "Projects" on the top row, then click on the picture above "Urban Revitalization." In the listings, fourth down on the left side, you'll see "Cleveland Gateway Redevelopment Plan." At first, I thought it was for the Gateway District.

This plan was commissioned by Forest City Enterprises, and is dated as 2003. Does anyone have more information about this plan? I suspect it was part of FCE's initial proposal to locate the convention center between Tower City and the river (remember the plan that had the pedestrian bridge over the river?).

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2005, 05:11:04 AM »
At this point FCE is holding onto like 90% of the Scranton Peninsula.  You shouldn't hold your breath on this one, it's not going to happen for a long time. 


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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2005, 07:40:30 AM »
This might have been what they were planning when they said that if they got the convention site along the river, they would develop the Scranton Peninsula.  Of course, they pulled the Scranton plan later for whatever reason.

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2005, 11:40:59 AM »
Really I can't see why the convention center should have effected their Scranton Peninsula plans either way.  I've never known anyone to say "This is a great location, I'll be right next to the Convention Center!  Just like I've always wanted!".  I don't think they ever intended to make good on this carrot that they were dangling.  Not until the timing was right for them, at least.  I wonder when that will be?

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2005, 12:07:29 PM »
Wow, I like that plan a lot!  I know it's really just a framework plan, as they usually are at that stage in the game, but I think Calthorpe & Assoc. are right on with their scale, street network, and attention paid to the river and Downtown Cleveland.  I hope FCE is holding on to this until they can do it and do it right!

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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2005, 08:15:34 PM »
I remember at the time FCE said that the river walls needed to be reinforced, at a cost of something like half a billion dollars.  They said something like a convention center and the new development might get the necessary federal money to do the project.  Otherwise, if would be unfeasible.

Not sure how true it is, but that is what I remember FCE saying
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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2005, 11:20:02 PM »
Ok, that makes sense.

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2006, 01:34:51 PM »
I was disappointed that plan is no longer available to view on Calthorpe's website.

I look at the Peninsula everyday at work through the window at my desk, and it just pisses me off to no end. It would be awesome to build a new mixed-use neighborhood there on the river. If there is any demand for urban housing in the heart of the city - then any units there would fly off the shelves. Assuming some pedestrian infrastructure linkages to Tower City, Ohio City, and Tremont - that would be exactly the urban neighborhood I'd like to live in Cleveland.

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2006, 01:59:26 PM »
Thanks for the link.

Isn't there some developer planning residential units on the riverfront areas of the Peninsula? I remember hearing about that not too long ago, but I forget the details.

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2006, 02:17:01 PM »
Yes, John Ferchill. It's the narrow strip of land between the river and Scranton Road, just south of the closed Eagle Avenue bridge.
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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2006, 02:36:32 PM »
here is a link to a peedee article from 7/03 - I would post but it is very long

http://www.cleveland.com/convention/index.ssf?/convention/more/1059224101102130.html

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2006, 07:35:24 AM »
It's a great piece of land, but I wonder how environmentally clean it is; Republic Steel had a rather large factory on that site (the Upson Nut Works), from about the late 1800s into the 1950s/1960s.  The whole peninsula was crammed with foundries and factories for decades.  Does anyone know if it's ever been cleaned up?  Is it "clean" enough for housing?

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2006, 07:54:31 AM »
What is the status of the steak house that was on the river down there?  It isn't still there, is it?

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2006, 08:19:19 AM »
interesting blurb in that pd article:

The peninsula has been shouting out for a world-class development, said Will Voegele, Forest City's regional development director. "This should be one of the best planned urban spaces in the country."

ahem. well?

it's obvious fcr is sitting on that property and holding it hostage in order to try to wring stuff out of the city. i'm so glad they did not get their convention center. shame on them.


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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2006, 08:24:33 AM »
If and when Stark successfully completes the WHD megaproject, Scranton Peninsula will become that much more attractive.  While I have faith in Stark, I think that it will take time to develop the port land east of the Cuyahoga. That could be the window for FCE to start on Scranton. 

Just thinking to myself..a fully developed Scranton would really benefit both Tremont and the OC. 

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2006, 09:49:29 AM »
Here is a graphic.  I wish that while the land was waiting for development, that someone would begin to clean this up so that it would be a relatively easily to develop when the time comes.





http://cpc.cuyahogacounty.us/cpc/map.asp




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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2006, 09:53:13 AM »
The whole convention center thing seems to be stalled or dying, but the two sites remaining for consideration are a riverfront site attached to Tower City, and the existing site on the Mall that would include renovation/expansion (possibly over the railroad tracks to the lakefront).

A convention facilities authority was created to do the studies and make decisions. http://www.conventioncleveland.com/

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2006, 09:55:48 AM »
What is the status of the steak house that was on the river down there?  It isn't still there, is it?

I think Jim's closed several years ago.  I think the building was occupied by a few clubs afterwards but not sure what's in it now if anything.

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2006, 10:00:08 AM »
The Calthorpe design was pretty sharp but I'd definitely do my due diligence before buying a unit with a below-grade garage built on a flood plain. 

And, not to steal too much of Blinker's thunder, while I notice that there are words on the pages mentioning preserving some of the old buildings, I couldn't identify them on the site plan.  Some have been torn down in the last few years but I think there are still some solid (and possibly quite old) cool brick buildings on Scranton itself.

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2006, 11:40:36 AM »
Trust me... there are still things giong on with the convention center river site...

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2006, 11:48:21 AM »
I must have missed something. Does anybody know WHERE the New Convention Center is gonna be if its not on the peninsula ??? Thanks!

The powers-that-be (Mayor Jackson, County Commissioners, Forest City--who funded campaigns of the aforementioned pols) want the convention center at Tower City. If it gets built, that's probably where it's going to go (how I wish it weren't true). The goal isn't to put a levy on the ballot to specifically for the convention center, however, unless you count the gambling issue on this fall's ballot as it.... Word from the politicals is the profits from one or both of the casinos would be used to pay for the convention center. But they are very quiet about this because they don't want to people to a vote for casino gambling as a vote for the convention center. They want them to remain separate issues in the electorate's eyes.
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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2006, 12:15:19 PM »
Below would be my idea for the Scranton Peninsula. I say dredge it out and create a new inner harbor for Cleveland. Imagine the possibilities this could create. This would kick start development behind TC. And all along the perimeter of the harbor the development possibilities are endless. It would be dramatic. Not too mention what could be done in the harbor itself throughout the year. This would give Cleveland a whole new look. Of course I like to think big, but I think it would be very feasible. (I added some buildings behind TC for effect and "greened" up the land a little bit. I also added some people to CBS because I hate those damn orange seats).

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2006, 12:26:22 PM »
^ you certainly earned your freethink moniker with that! i like.

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2006, 01:38:12 PM »
That is certainly an interesting idea, however I'm having trouble imagining what the water in that vast "inner-harbor" would look like. I'm not one of those Cuyahoga River bashers, but creating a whole inner-harbor with that water might be a little sketchy to put there.

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2006, 05:02:19 PM »
interesting idea - nice work on the graphics, btw.


but i'm thinking that the scranton peninsula might be better utilized by creating canals that run through the site, like a mini venice.  either way (lagoon or canals) the expensive issue of bulkheads is going to arise as well as flood control on the river. 

we def need more free or alt thinking on this topic though, so thanks for that!

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2006, 05:52:57 PM »
hey freethink i really like your photos. excellent idea. it looks great! though i like the idea of making homes with canals running through. or possibly something that looks like the new developments off of the coast of dubai. good work

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2006, 06:38:52 PM »
New Orleans didn't like the idea

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2006, 07:44:09 PM »
oh man more like a muddy brown pond and how would those big ore ships get through?

it would be pretty amazing in transforming the area tho...  i wonder if they could do that somewhere else like in the west bank of the flats

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Re: Scranton Peninsula - Cleveland
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2006, 03:13:49 PM »
Actually, back in the early 20th century, there was a plan to cut a straighter path through the river, to make it easier for the ore carriers to head to the mills.  One plan I saw (a map at the Cleveland Press Collection) even showed a cut right through the Scranton Peninsula.  Never happened though; why?  Because the steel mills vetoed it.  They wanted a straighter shipping channel, but not one that cut off their own land.  And Upson Nut was a pretty big company back in the day, and no city father would have annoyed them, since the city folks were doing everything they could to lure companies to set up in Cleveland.

But that was then ... it might be something to revisit now, to create an island in the middle of the river, and put some desireable housing on it.