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Re: Cleveland: Cudell/West Boulevard: Development and News
« Reply #150 on: June 10, 2017, 04:54:26 PM »
^ is there something wrong with me? I don't want to see any green areas. I want to see these structures built right up to the tracks. Those grass areas are a 1. waste of space 2. trash collection zones. More density, not less!

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« Reply #151 on: June 10, 2017, 09:11:44 PM »
Concept B looks good except for that multifamily on the right surrounded by grass and parking. How much of the property is owned by RTA or other involved partners?

Concept A on the other hand is a nonstarter.

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« Reply #152 on: June 10, 2017, 10:21:01 PM »
As I understand it, everything is owned by RTA save for the Berea Rd plot.

I'd really encourage everyone to attend the meeting, as this doc is only a portion of the overall (very cool) study: http://www.noaca.org/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=19934

I'd love to see more emphasis placed on density. As mentioned above, concept B could be denser.

They're asking that attendees RSVP to linda@cudell.com (there is an optional trolly tour).
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Re: Cleveland: Cudell/West Boulevard: Development and News
« Reply #153 on: June 10, 2017, 11:03:40 PM »
^ is there something wrong with me? I don't want to see any green areas. I want to see these structures built right up to the tracks. Those grass areas are a 1. waste of space 2. trash collection zones. More density, not less!

The railroads own rights of way that typically are at least 100 feet wide. And zoning prevents building right up next to your own property line, let alone up to a very busy railroad corridor. And do you really want to live RIGHT next to a railroad line with 100 freight trains a day in which a train car weighs 125 tons each? And have you heard one of these trains in full dynamic braking coming down the hill toward the lakefront? Or locomotives with 8,000 to 12,000 horsepower pulling a 100-car freight train up the hill from the lakefront? I can hear them from my condo, and I live two miles away from that railroad line!
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« Reply #154 on: June 11, 2017, 01:52:13 PM »
BTW, after seeing what Playhouse Square is doing to achieve a development in exchange for public benefits rather than investor returns, I'd like to see how All Aboard Ohio, a 501c3 nonprofit, can assist these developments within a 1/4-mile of transit stations (especially rail). It's one thing for AAO to use education and advocacy to convince leaders to act. It's another thing to use our tax-exempt status to reduce the costs of development so that an investor can make the numbers work well enough to earn a return on them.

Primarily, I see AAO's role in land acquisition and public realm improvements. Playhouse Square received a sizeable ($10 million) financial gift to make that project work. It would take far less than that to acquire properties at/near the West Boulevard and East 116th stations for development or to rework streets to make the area more friendly to development and pedestrian access. AAO could, in turn, sell these properties to public agencies for pennies on the dollar, with the only stipulation being that the philanthropist be recognized in some way, such as by naming a garden, or fountain or some other public realm feature in that development or street scene after the philanthropist.

Very exciting stuff.  I've long felt this location has tremendous TOD potential and already has good bones with the high number of multi-unit buildings even if all of them aren't in the best of shape -- but they appear to be slowly improving.  And the huge Edgewater Landing K&D apartment complex is just around the corner and both the excellent, diverse Edgewater neighborhood, as well as the beach, are also within walking distance.  So glad AAO is getting directly involved in this project.  Certainly the newly-disclosed Playhouse Sq. apartment tower is a great blueprint for direct involvement of community service organizations of projects of this kind... Good luck.

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Re: Cleveland: Cudell/West Boulevard: Development and News
« Reply #155 on: June 11, 2017, 03:47:03 PM »
Option B is pretty solid, after years of seeing bungalows proposed as TOD.  Those freight tracks are on an embankment so there's going to be some buffer space no matter what you do. 

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Re: Cleveland: Cudell/West Boulevard: Development and News
« Reply #156 on: June 11, 2017, 08:29:47 PM »
Looks like these plans call for narrowing Detroit there...a much needed improvement.

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Re: Cleveland: Cudell/West Boulevard: Development and News
« Reply #157 on: July 19, 2017, 01:23:38 PM »
Yay!!

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Ordinance No. 842-17(Ward 11/Councilmember Brady): Authorizing the Director of Economic Development to enter into a Purchase Agreement and/or an Option to Purchase Agreement with Weston, Inc., or its designee, for the sale of City-owned properties located at Berea and Madison Roads and known as the Midland Steel site, for the development of a multi-tenant industrial facility; and authorizing the Commissioner of Purchases and Supplies to convey the properties, which are no longer needed for the City's public use.
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Re: Cleveland: Cudell/West Boulevard: Development and News
« Reply #158 on: July 19, 2017, 01:52:52 PM »
Being Weston, what do you think are the chances we'll get something that isn't just a suburban industrial park like the hypothetical development on that Madison Corridor Study?

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« Reply #159 on: July 19, 2017, 02:06:00 PM »
Not good. I expect a suburban style industrial park.
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« Reply #160 on: July 19, 2017, 03:16:59 PM »
No site plans or renderings behind the pay wall, but the article talks of a two-phased construction process...

Weston surfaces as Midland Steel site buyer
July 19, 2017
By STAN BULLARD

The city of Cleveland has found a prospective buyer for the 22-acre industrial park property at Madison Avenue and Berea Road on the West Side it has marketed to prospective users for almost four years.

Weston, the Warrensville Heights-based real estate concern, wants to acquire the grass-covered site for development of a multitenant business park, according to legislation submitted at Cleveland City Council's special session July 12.

The parcel at 10616 Madison Ave. is best known as the former Midland Steel site, so called because of the large industrial building of that name razed in 2003. The city bought the empty site in 2005 as the first property in its commercial-industrial land bank plan.

Cleveland City Planning Commission had been scheduled to review the ordinance at its meeting Friday, July 21.

However, Councilwoman Dona Brady, who represents Ward 11 where the property sits, said the measure was pulled from Friday's planning commission agenda while some minor details in the plan are worked out.

MORE:
http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170719/NEWS/170719782/weston-surfaces-as-midland-steel-site-buyer
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Re: Cleveland: Cudell/West Boulevard: Development and News
« Reply #161 on: July 19, 2017, 04:00:30 PM »
The article has a quote from Dona Brady saying the first phase would create about 100 jobs and the second phase 200 jobs. Not clear if that is construction jobs or the actual tenants moving into the buildings. If the latter, it implies Weston has interested tenants. I hoped for a denser headcount, but it's better than 22 acres continuing to sit empty.

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« Reply #162 on: July 19, 2017, 04:58:56 PM »
The article has a quote from Dona Brady saying the first phase would create about 100 jobs and the second phase 200 jobs. Not clear if that is construction jobs or the actual tenants moving into the buildings. If the latter, it implies Weston has interested tenants. I hoped for a denser headcount, but it's better than 22 acres continuing to sit empty.

I wouldn't expect them to move forward without tenants. Weston doesn't usually build stuff on spec.
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« Reply #163 on: July 20, 2017, 08:55:07 AM »
Any chance this is related to the other dilapidated-industrial-sites being homes for new Amazon warehouses?  A distribution center on the inner-west-side would allow for same-day Prime delivery to most of the hot neighborhoods of Cleveland and inner-west suburbs and would make a lot of sense.

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« Reply #164 on: July 20, 2017, 09:10:14 AM »
Any chance this is related to the other dilapidated-industrial-sites being homes for new Amazon warehouses?  A distribution center on the inner-west-side would allow for same-day Prime delivery to most of the hot neighborhoods of Cleveland and inner-west suburbs and would make a lot of sense.

At 22 acres, the Midland site isn't big enough for an Amazon Fulfillment Center (the Euclid Square Mall and Randall Park Mall sites are more than 65 acres each) although it could be big enough for one of Amazon's lesser facilities. It's described as a multi-tenant industrial site with the first phase at only 100 jobs which might be small enough to be an Amazon delivery station. The second phase is proposed to have a tenant or tenants offering 200 jobs total.
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« Reply #165 on: July 20, 2017, 11:54:09 AM »
The talk of tenants and the "business park" wording has me hopeful there could be some office space fronting Madison/Berea.

If this thing can have decent facades with minimal setbacks along Berea and Madison with all parking and truck access in the rear then I'll be pretty satisfied.

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« Reply #166 on: July 20, 2017, 03:14:19 PM »
The talk of tenants and the "business park" wording has me hopeful there could be some office space fronting Madison/Berea.

If this thing can have decent facades with minimal setbacks along Berea and Madison with all parking and truck access in the rear then I'll be pretty satisfied.

It will also be 100 new jobs in walking distance of transit, something this city desperately needs.

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« Reply #167 on: July 20, 2017, 03:51:35 PM »
Yes!

I'm hopeful that this development creates enough pressure to bring the Cudell/West Blvd rapid station TOD into reality.

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« Reply #168 on: July 21, 2017, 09:52:11 AM »
Plain Press writes West Boulevard/Cudell Rapid is ripe for transit oriented development.
https://t.co/wkiLjIhUnX
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« Reply #169 on: July 21, 2017, 10:48:07 AM »
Plain Press writes West Boulevard/Cudell Rapid is ripe for transit oriented development.
https://t.co/wkiLjIhUnX

My real fears all stem from that TOD meeting at Cudell Rec where we were basically told, "Ok, now it's your turn to tell your leaders to make this a reality."  :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Hopefully NOACA can bring in an interested party for the site. If the apartment restoration at West Blvd/Detroit goes through then I think that may have an impact. I'd love to see the old restaurant next door be replaced with four story mixed use as well and, in a dream world, get the owner of the old bank building at W101/Detroit to do something with that place.

I know Cudell Improvement keeps claiming the kennel will have an impact, but I honestly don't foresee that really changing much in terms of transit utilization or the neighborhood south of the red line tracks.

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Re: Cleveland: Cudell/West Boulevard: Development and News
« Reply #170 on: July 21, 2017, 10:57:00 AM »
It starts with some infrastructure changes to make the area more pedestrian-friendly. That includes narrowing Detroit Avenue past the station and realigning Berea Road's intersection with Detroit to a right-angled intersection to slow traffic.
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« Reply #171 on: July 21, 2017, 11:41:32 AM »
Fingers crossed.

If they're willing to removal a marginal road then it gives me some confidence that at least some engineers within the city are willing to rethink aggressive roads. I'd love to see Detroit work wrapped in with the MC Seltzer construction and Cudell Commons renovations.

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« Reply #172 on: August 02, 2017, 03:48:59 PM »
No site plans or renderings behind the pay wall, but the article talks of a two-phased construction process...

Weston surfaces as Midland Steel site buyer
July 19, 2017
By STAN BULLARD

The city of Cleveland has found a prospective buyer for the 22-acre industrial park property at Madison Avenue and Berea Road on the West Side it has marketed to prospective users for almost four years.

Weston, the Warrensville Heights-based real estate concern, wants to acquire the grass-covered site for development of a multitenant business park, according to legislation submitted at Cleveland City Council's special session July 12.

The parcel at 10616 Madison Ave. is best known as the former Midland Steel site, so called because of the large industrial building of that name razed in 2003. The city bought the empty site in 2005 as the first property in its commercial-industrial land bank plan.

Cleveland City Planning Commission had been scheduled to review the ordinance at its meeting Friday, July 21.

However, Councilwoman Dona Brady, who represents Ward 11 where the property sits, said the measure was pulled from Friday's planning commission agenda while some minor details in the plan are worked out.

MORE:
http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170719/NEWS/170719782/weston-surfaces-as-midland-steel-site-buyer

Back on the design review agenda....

MANDATORY REFERRALS
Ordinance No. 842-17(Ward 11/Councilmember Brady): Authorizing the Director of Economic Development to enter into a Purchase Agreement and/or Option to Purchase Agreement with Weston, Inc., or its designee, for the sale of City-owned properties located at Berea and Madison Roads and known as the Midland Steel site, for the development of a multi-tenant industrial facility; and authorizing the Commissioner of Purchases and Supplies to convey the properties, which are no longer needed for the City's public use.
http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2017/08042017/index.php
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Re: Cleveland: Cudell/West Boulevard: Development and News
« Reply #173 on: August 03, 2017, 01:37:09 PM »

For what it's worth, construction work at the kennel site has started, mostly on utility tie ins with the street but also a few bulldozers on site.

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« Reply #174 on: August 03, 2017, 02:29:37 PM »

For what it's worth, construction work at the kennel site has started, mostly on utility tie ins with the street but also a few bulldozers on site.

Yay

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« Reply #175 on: December 01, 2017, 05:21:50 PM »
Cleveland-owned land within a short walk of the West Blvd GCRTA Red Line rail station being developed as a city kennel. Not a transit-supportive use! Land-use decisions like this keep transit use and jobs access low. The consolation prize is that a long-abandoned factory turned stolen-car-chop-shop is replaced with "something positive."

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« Reply #176 on: December 19, 2017, 01:18:47 PM »
http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2018/crr01-02-2018.pdf

Jan. 2, 2018 9:30
Calendar No. 17-362: 9803-05 Lake Road Ward 15
Matt Zone
17 Notices
9803 Lake Avenue LLC., owner, proposes to change use from a two dwelling unit house to a Bed and
Breakfast/Boarding House in an A1 One Family Residential District. The owner appeals for relief from
the strict application of Section of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances:
1. Section 337.02(a) which states that a Bed & Breakfast/Boarding House (Multiple Dwelling,
Class B per Zoning Code section 325.51) is not permitted in a One Family Residential
zoning district first permitted in a Multi-Family residential District.
2. Section 359.01(a) which states that no change of a nonconforming use to anything other
than a conforming use shall be permitted except by special permit from the Board of
Zoning Appeals. (Filed December 4, 2017)
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