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Offline buildingcincinnati

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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2005, 09:23:14 AM »
Thanks for the scoop, man.

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« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2005, 10:50:35 AM »
Yes, thanks Cincinnati Kid for all the detailed and pics. In the meeting did they say the FWW coverings are definite?

I do have a bit more info on Twain's Point. They had an open house on Mother's Day (hey it beats buying flowers). Only 8 left to sell out of 26 or so. They are selling in the 600K to 700K range. They plan another patch of condos further east and some cheaper condos near the firehouse (300K plus). The views are great especially from the third floor master bedroom, but the back of the units on right on top of Columbia Pkwy. The triple panel Pella windows do work, but once you open that back door . . . Also there isn't really an easy way to cross Eastern Ave to get to the Freedom Park. BTW, that last sculpture isn't up yet.
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« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2005, 12:04:26 PM »
They didn't really talk much about the FWW lids, just showed them on the diagrams and said they are part of the plan and the support footers are already in place.  My guess is that they will either be the last thing added or the first thing to go based on the budget (as much as I think they are an integral part of the connection).

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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2005, 06:49:37 PM »
I like this proposal alot. I like the "great lawn" idea with its openness to the river and unobstructed views. I hope they dont put too many trees like I sometimes feel there is in Sawyer Point, I almost feel trapped sometimes there. As far as the comparisens to Millenium Park, I think it's actually better than M.P. if done like the blueprint calls for.  While seeing a concert at MP could be cool there really isnt a whole lot else to do there and it feels too orderly to really be able to play on, almost like you're affraid to mess up the grass.  There isn't a lot of retail or restaurants right near the park, you have to go north a little bit to reach those. The public art is very nice there though so I hope that is in the Plan for the central riverfront park here too. Oh yeah...it would be nice if the river was actually blue like it is in all the rednerings...instead we're stuck with the "shit brown" color.

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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2005, 07:04:02 PM »
The missing link is the one between this park and Yeatmans Cove/Sawyer Point......if I was desgining it I would really focus on that connection or try to "make the connection" somehow....

OK, not super avant garde, but they have some intimate spaces in it based on the sketches...also, interesting a how they break from the formal allee to a "savannah" informal woodland transition to the lawn..

...not quite the "Grant Park" solution, but they still keep the "urban front yard concept"

I just think the opportunity to connect this park with the other riverfront parks to the east was lost...

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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2005, 07:05:26 PM »
That lawn would be a great place to fly a kite...

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« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2005, 07:10:35 PM »
^^ Well, there is a short strip between the new park and the parks to the east that's wide enough for jogging, biking, etc. It's right on the water with the steamboat monument and the public landing.  It's also lined with trees.

So while it could be more "parky" and a better connection, unless you move the ballpark or fill in the river (or close Mehring Way and significantly alter traffic) it's certainly a pretty decent compromise.

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« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2005, 09:01:44 PM »
   I've been thinking about that strip in front of GABP too. I think I mentioned in another post somewhere that I thought they could do something really cool there. (Or at least something that I thought would be cool.) I was thinking that if they had to build a new flood wall there or even if they didn't, that it would be cool to have a huge lighted sign or lighted letters inside the wall ( or outside the wall ) spelling CINCINNATI or QUEEN CITY or even YEATMAN"S COVE. I thought it might look neat from the Kentucky side. I don't know, maybe it's cheesey. You could rip me on it if you want, it won't hurt my feelings.
   I was also thinking that they could kinda go historical and place a tavern called 'SQUARE AND COMPASS' by Main St.
   The original SQUARE AND COMPASS was owned by Griffin Yeatman whom Yeatman's Cove is named after.

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« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2005, 08:49:24 AM »
I like the tavern idea.  Not so sure about the lighted sign, though.  It would look too much like Newport on the Levee's "Newport" sign....

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« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2005, 09:54:18 AM »
Cramer is right about the woman at the meeting. She claimed that 10 acres of riverfront land was not enough greenspace because she works in Chris Monzel's office and she had lived on 20 acres as a child. I don't know how those factors are all related but they formed the crux of her argument. But don't worry, I got the impression that she definitely was in the minority when it came to dismissing the plan. Here's a few things I took away from the meeting:

1) I'm glad they're not trying to erect any central signature piece that would take away from the Roebling. Instead, I think the current waterfall idea will nicely complement the approach into Cincinnati.

2) I found it a bit disappointing that the fountain to the east did not appear to evidence out-of-the-box thinking. At least from the renderings, it looked like your average square, ground-level fountain that shoots water. I would like to see something original, something people want to come down to just so they can take their picture in front of it.

3) The two northern sections which the Banks project proposes to consume reminded me of an idea thrown out earlier by Banks officials. They wanted to do something like Tavern on the Green where it's more of a park bistro. That would be a great draw and, in my opinion, a better use of the land than simply an extra acre of grass. Also, it would allow the area to retain its park-like qualities.

4) I spoke with one of the transportation officials working in conjunction with the parks department. He confirmed the project would most likely be done in phases to complement the Banks' development rather than in one fell swoop. So, the park would develop from east to west. The east sections will probably get done but the timeline for the western sections will be less certain for two major reasons. First, the Bengals contract with the County requires that they have 5,000 gameday parking spaces within a given radius and, for some reason, parking spaces east of the Freedom Center do not count towards that total. Thus, aside from the obvious funding issue, this is a major bone of contention. Developing the western section of both the Banks and riverfront park will immediately take a majority of the required spots offline for at least a couple years. Second, a concrete company sits on the western tip of the proposed park and, although they have agreed to eventually sell, they aren't going anywhere as long as there's the Banks to be built. The two issues have to be solved before this thing will ever be completed.

5) Finally, the presentation really glossed over the whole funding issue, although I got there a bit late and could have missed it. The presenters seemed to be operating on the assumption that Congress will vote for the funding, even though one of the presenters admitted Congress hasn't doled out that kind of money since 9-11. But, the presenters were optimistic about the funding, so I'm going to be optimistic about the funding.

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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #40 on: May 14, 2005, 07:04:42 PM »
Wouldn't adding all the garages under the banks take care of the parking requirement?

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« Reply #41 on: May 14, 2005, 09:50:47 PM »
^Eventually yes, but not for those two years when they're being built.

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« Reply #42 on: May 18, 2005, 08:38:43 PM »
Glad to see that they now plan to develop the space north of Mehring Way.  As I've also suggested they should develop the block south of the Freedom Center.  That lawn is going to get about as much use as the fenced plaza south of Government Square, which is to say none.   

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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2005, 09:11:33 AM »
As I've also suggested they should develop the block south of the Freedom Center. That lawn is going to get about as much use as the fenced plaza south of Government Square, which is to say none.

Hallelujah!  Been saying the same myself. 

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« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2005, 09:35:52 AM »
From the 5/25/05 Cincinnati Post:


Riverfront park plan lands $500,000 grant
$2B project is near Suspension Bridge

By Elizabeth Troutman
Post staff reporter


Downtown Cincinnati's development of a riverfront "front yard" inched closer to reality Tuesday as U.S. Representative Steve Chabot announced $500,000 in federal funding for the $2 billion riverfront project.

The funding for the Central Riverfront Park, which was requested by Chabot in March, is provided by the Energy and Water Development fund and the Related Agencies Appropriation Act for Fiscal Year 2006.

http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050525/NEWS01/505250355
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« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2005, 05:12:36 AM »
Park Board enlists Army Corps for riverfront project
Dan Monk
Senior Staff Reporter


The Cincinnati Park Board took a big step toward paying for its $80 million central riverfront park by "federalizing" it.

Under a new contract, signed Sept. 13 between the city of Cincinnati and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the federal agency has agreed to pay for 75 percent of all design costs up to $8.7 million. As final designs are drawn, the city and the Corps would have to secure additional funding to begin construction on the $60 million first phase. Both groups are hoping to make that happen by 2007.

http://cincinnati.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2005/09/26/story6.html
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« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2005, 05:19:38 PM »
From the 11/17/05 Cincinnati Post:


$250K grant for park on river
By Tony Cook
Post staff reporter

 
A $30.5 billion federal energy and water appropriations bill passed this week by the U.S. Senate will provide thousands of dollars for local projects.

Cincinnati's planned Central Riverfront Park received $250,000 in the bill passed Monday. The park is planned along the Ohio River west of Broadway and east of Interstate 75.

http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051117/NEWS01/511170343
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« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2006, 05:42:52 PM »
This was buried in the paper, but I ran across it and thought I'd pass it along.  I wonder who the donor is?


RIVERFRONT PARK GETS $1M GIFT

The Central Riverfront Park - a centerpiece of the proposed Banks development between the two downtown sports stadiums along the Ohio River - took a step forward Wednesday. Actually, it took a million steps forward. An anonymous donor wrote a $1 million check to the Cincinnati Parks Foundation and asked that the money be used specifically for the $80 million riverfront park. The donation brings the total raised to $2.75 million after the Ohio Department of Natural Resources kicked in $1 million and said it will contribute $750,000 more next month. City officials also have asked the federal and state governments to contribute to the project. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has taken over design of the park because of its proximity to the Ohio River.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060119/NEWS01/601190372/1056

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Re: Central Riverfront Park - Cincinnati
« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2006, 08:27:27 PM »
Good news! I wonder what aspects of the park's design the corps is taking over. I hope they stick to the plans drawn up by the park board. It would be great to see this park get started. They'd better not be waiting for The Banks.

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« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2006, 09:58:10 PM »
^ Agree Tom, I was by the riverfront today and this project crossed my mind.  Thanks Grasscat for finding out some news on what is currently going on.

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« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2006, 07:46:45 PM »
I also forgot to mention that the project is going to get an extra $750,000 from a grant from the Ohio Department of Natural Resources.  It's part of House Bill 16 (yes, I looked it up), which hasn't been passed yet.

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« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2006, 06:47:31 AM »
So, they are saying that they probably won't start until 2007?

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« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2006, 04:56:23 PM »
Yep.

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« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2006, 10:03:09 PM »
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... and the first 150 feet of a 400-foot fountain near the bridge are envisioned.

I know this may sound silly, but I am pumped up about this 400ft. fountain! Does anyone have any renderings or seen any? These are things that really bring people to the area. BTW, 400ft. is big as hell I can't imagine a fountain that big.
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« Reply #54 on: February 03, 2006, 10:09:59 PM »
Also, I just wanted to say that my wife and I took a stroll through Friendship Park (east of Montgomery Inn Boathouse) tonight and it is awesome! The little themes they have going throughout the park is interesting along with the imprints in the concrete. The park is a lot bigger than what I was expecting also! I am very excited to see this place with the color green present.

If you have a chance, check it out! The city is working very hard to make areas in downtown a place to visit for peace, views, and a place that I would love to take my kids (when I make them)! Awesome!

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« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2006, 09:38:01 AM »
^It's even better in the summer, when the plantings are awash in color...a great addition to the already amazing Cincinnati Parks system...

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« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2006, 05:53:00 PM »
The only thing Berry park needs is a break in the tree line every now and then, to allow for views of the river.  How can you have a waterfront park with no access to water?  Other than that, I enjoy it a lot.

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« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2006, 02:14:21 AM »
The only thing Berry park needs is a break in the tree line every now and then, to allow for views of the river.  How can you have a waterfront park with no access to water?  Other than that, I enjoy it a lot.

It looks like they are a little ways off from it being completed. This is only an opinion though... Of course on the east end there is still construction equipment, and sidewalk closed signs. Another thing I "assumed" was that the whole "Asian & African" sections would probably have plants that are from those countries? I don't know this is something we were thinking about.

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« Reply #58 on: February 05, 2006, 11:52:19 AM »
^Indeed, the plants are supposed to be indigenous to the continents they're from:

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2003/05/17/loc_berrypark17box.html

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The Gardens of the Continents shape the park's interior using garden styles and plants found in other countries. Antarctica is the only continent not represented.

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« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2006, 11:52:50 AM »
The only thing Berry park needs is a break in the tree line every now and then, to allow for views of the river.  How can you have a waterfront park with no access to water?  Other than that, I enjoy it a lot.

I'm sure the folks at Twain's Pointe agree with you!