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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1350 on: October 06, 2016, 03:07:33 PM »
Except for all the drainage they're installing. Then they have to resurface the entire roadway from the Main Avenue bridge to Lake Road.

I wonder if they'll keep doing the small wetlands along the roadside, as seen near Edgewater?

Anyhow, at least I 90 is close to full capacity. That should help with some of the traffic. Maybe.

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1351 on: October 10, 2016, 06:30:16 AM »
It's not resurfacing but complete pavement rebuilding. Expect for backhoes and assorted equipment ripping out the old concrete base and installing a new base and asphalt pavement.

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1352 on: November 13, 2016, 09:23:11 PM »
From @aerialagents

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1353 on: November 14, 2016, 10:07:06 AM »
As someone who has used the W 73 exit quite a bit lately, they're going to have to put a traffic light at 73rd and Detroit. Making that left turn toward Gordon Square is a dangerous ordeal, even in off peak traffic hours.

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1354 on: November 14, 2016, 10:49:03 AM »
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Norfolk Southern continues its recent policy of urging all new underpasses and other projects under/next to their tracks of ensuring they can add a fourth main track from Cleveland to Chicago at some point in the future.
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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1355 on: August 23, 2017, 06:15:52 AM »
Our worship of fast cars wrecked it...

West Shoreway $100M re-do brings benefits, but falls short of original vision (photos)
https://articles.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2017/08/west_shoreway_100m_re-do_bring.amp
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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1356 on: August 23, 2017, 06:23:19 AM »
Our worship of fast cars wrecked it...

West Shoreway $100M re-do brings benefits, but falls short of original vision (photos)
https://articles.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2017/08/west_shoreway_100m_re-do_bring.amp

Actually I'd say the presence of the railroad wrecked it.  No way to make all those pass throughs to connect with the railroad in the way.  And the massive sewer line which required relocation for the 65th tunnel....

But hey, we have great access points now to Edgewater at Lake, 76th, 73rd, 65th.  That's 4 points in less than a 2 mile stretch.  It's better access than what Chicago has to it's lakefront...

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1357 on: August 23, 2017, 06:39:55 AM »
Steven nails it in this article.  All that money, and all it became was a glorified repaving.  Edgewater is still a traffic jam to get into.  Shoreway is still a speedway.  The new bikepath is nice, I'll give them that! 

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1358 on: August 23, 2017, 08:03:19 AM »
When is the repaving going to be done?

I have no idea what the rubber overlay is they put up on the two inside lanes.

Is the contractor out of cash and looking for some contingency payments to complete the project?

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1359 on: August 23, 2017, 08:15:38 AM »
Our worship of fast cars wrecked it...

West Shoreway $100M re-do brings benefits, but falls short of original vision (photos)
https://articles.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2017/08/west_shoreway_100m_re-do_bring.amp

Actually I'd say the presence of the railroad wrecked it.  No way to make all those pass throughs to connect with the railroad in the way.  And the massive sewer line which required relocation for the 65th tunnel....

But hey, we have great access points now to Edgewater at Lake, 76th, 73rd, 65th.  That's 4 points in less than a 2 mile stretch.  It's better access than what Chicago has to it's lakefront...

The railroad preceded the park and the development of the surrounding neighborhoods/factories. How could the railroad have wrecked something that wasn't even there?
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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1360 on: August 23, 2017, 08:21:53 AM »
Our worship of fast cars wrecked it...

West Shoreway $100M re-do brings benefits, but falls short of original vision (photos)
https://articles.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2017/08/west_shoreway_100m_re-do_bring.amp

No, funding. Plans come and go all the time and some are just not realistic or feasible because of a variety of issues - notably, money. It would have been great to have gone with a pie-in-the-sky conversion of the Shoreway into something amazing, but you know what? The new Shoreway is a massive improvement in many respects:
- New roadway base, replacing 70 year old+ concrete. (At least in the left lanes? Did they do all of the lanes?)
- Fresh landscaping.
- Traffic calming measures throughout.
- Bike lanes.
- Improved lighting.
- New and improved connections to existing neighborhoods.
- New NS overpass.

This is spurring developments at Edgewater and the surrounding neighborhoods and paints a fresh face on what was a seriously crumbling expressway that long outlived its usefulness. With its freeway connections west and south axed long ago, it was just a stubbed highway that only saved commuters a handful of minutes.

I do question the 35 MPH limit but oh well. 45 MPH is just fine.

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1361 on: August 23, 2017, 09:22:04 AM »
^^It's the people still doing 70 mph that are worrisome.   

Unfortunately it will take a horrific accident to make people take a stand against these drivers.  Buffalo NY had a similar scenario with a 45 mph road through Delaware park that people treated as a wide-open interstate.  It took the death of a 3 year old for change to happen.

http://www.wkbw.com/news/198-speed-limit-reduced-to-30-mph-through-park

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1362 on: August 23, 2017, 09:55:23 AM »
Steven nails it in this article.  All that money, and all it became was a glorified repaving.  Edgewater is still a traffic jam to get into.  Shoreway is still a speedway.  The new bikepath is nice, I'll give them that! 

Boy did you miss the extensive rework of tunnels at Lake, 76th & new access at 73rd which required massive sewer relocation, railroad bridge, etc.

Glorified repaving indeed...

I guess I'm just bitter after listening to pile driving for 2 years.... and dealing with mud all over the streets from all the excavation trucking...

Complaining about Edgewater being a traffic jam and complaining about the speed on the Shoreway sort of conflict each other to me.  Just park nearby and walk in or bike in via one of the tunnels and ignore the speeding traffic/traffic jams.

at a certain point, it's silly to complain about the traffic in & out of the park.  Metroparks has done an amazing job transforming the place and programming some great events.  It's a huge park.  It's going to be busy.   Sort of like trying to go to the zoo on a sunny Saturday morning.  Or a concert at Blossom.  You just deal with it because it's a cool place and everyone wants to be there.  At least at Edgewater, you have other options to get in on foot/bike, whatever
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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1363 on: August 23, 2017, 10:14:49 AM »

This is spurring developments at Edgewater and the surrounding neighborhoods and paints a fresh face on what was a seriously crumbling expressway that long outlived its usefulness. With its freeway connections west and south axed long ago, it was just a stubbed highway that only saved commuters a handful of minutes.


If it outlived it's usefulness and funding is in short supply, then why reconstruct it in the exact same fashion (as a freeway). I don't understand your logic.  They could have reduced the infrastructure a great deal by reducing to 4 at-grade lanes without a landscaped median. Got rid of those crazy entrance/exit ramps and underpass on the western edge from West Blv and Lake.

In addition, remember you don't have to deal the rails East of 58th. So the intersections there are much, much easier.

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1364 on: August 23, 2017, 11:34:52 AM »
Have you been on the highway at rush hour - or really other times when traffic was elevated, during construction? I used to live on Clifton near W. 117 and took the bus to work in downtown (and later drove when I had to be at CWRU). When it was six lanes, traffic moved smoothly most of the time, with the usual congestion at interchanges and at traffic lights. No biggie. When it was four lanes, traffic backed up (in morning rush) westward by 2 to 3 miles. Detroit was gridlocked. My bus (the CSU line) was perpetually late.

Those ramps at the west end are now reworked and much better. It's a lot less confusing.

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1365 on: August 23, 2017, 12:17:45 PM »
I'm still surprised they aren't extending the bus lanes from the east end of Clifton to downtown(ish).   The CSU line would be much more effective if it could continue it's rush hour lane convenience through this section. 

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1366 on: August 23, 2017, 12:24:26 PM »
^^It's the people still doing 70 mph that are worrisome.   

Unfortunately it will take a horrific accident to make people take a stand against these drivers.  Buffalo NY had a similar scenario with a 45 mph road through Delaware park that people treated as a wide-open interstate.  It took the death of a 3 year old for change to happen.

http://www.wkbw.com/news/198-speed-limit-reduced-to-30-mph-through-park


Roadway design determines traffic speed more than changing the signs.
http://usa.streetsblog.org/2017/08/08/the-state-with-the-deadliest-traffic-in-america-admits-its-high-speed-streets-have-to-change/

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1367 on: August 23, 2017, 02:29:54 PM »
I think having the rush hour bus lanes would have been great, although it wasn't really much of an issue with traffic once you were on the freeway.

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1368 on: August 23, 2017, 02:31:39 PM »
I love how controversial this Shoreway project has been - literally for 10+ years, people have been hating on it or loving it.  Very little in between, even now as its nearly complete

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1369 on: August 24, 2017, 07:52:36 AM »
I think having the rush hour bus lanes would have been great, although it wasn't really much of an issue with traffic once you were on the freeway.

At least one day a week it is due to an accident, etc....Clifton was backed up off the Shoreway this morning when I went by there.


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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1370 on: November 18, 2017, 09:10:47 PM »
I can't tell you how fun it is to drive at a couple miles over the speed limit on the fully opened West Shoreway.  I slide into the right lane after using the Lake Ave. ramp and cruise along at 35 to 38 MPH.  My kids wonder why other drivers are waving with just one finger at me and I tell them they are just jealous of how we get a few extra seconds to enjoy the smooth road.

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1371 on: November 18, 2017, 11:45:39 PM »
I can't tell you how fun it is to drive at a couple miles over the speed limit on the fully opened West Shoreway.  I slide into the right lane after using the Lake Ave. ramp and cruise along at 35 to 38 MPH.  My kids wonder why other drivers are waving with just one finger at me and I tell them they are just jealous of how we get a few extra seconds to enjoy the smooth road.
A couple miles? Outside of rush hour, I don't think I've seen anyone going less than 40. I don't think I've done less than 45 lol.

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1372 on: November 19, 2017, 07:38:42 AM »
I can't tell you how fun it is to drive at a couple miles over the speed limit on the fully opened West Shoreway.  I slide into the right lane after using the Lake Ave. ramp and cruise along at 35 to 38 MPH.  My kids wonder why other drivers are waving with just one finger at me and I tell them they are just jealous of how we get a few extra seconds to enjoy the smooth road.
A couple miles? Outside of rush hour, I don't think I've seen anyone going less than 40. I don't think I've done less than 45 lol.

Funny how after all of that work it is still dangerous merging onto this road.

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1373 on: November 19, 2017, 08:21:40 AM »
The short ramps at West 28th were supposed to be closed and West 45th were supposed to be replaced with an intersection. I'm hoping the road will evolve to that. Converting it from a freeway to a boulevard was too drastic of a change for the autobots.
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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1374 on: November 19, 2017, 10:32:30 AM »
Converting it from a freeway to a boulevard was too drastic of a change for the autobots.

Or it was an untenable idea advanced by the same cadre of decepticons who oppose all vertical development in the area.

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1375 on: November 19, 2017, 10:39:29 AM »
Please go to other cities (particularly the growing, low-carbon, progressive ones) around the world and look at what they are doing with urban highways (and why) before expressing any more unfounded opinions.
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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1376 on: November 19, 2017, 10:42:38 AM »
The short ramps at West 28th were supposed to be closed and West 45th were supposed to be replaced with an intersection. I'm hoping the road will evolve to that. Converting it from a freeway to a boulevard was too drastic of a change for the autobots.

I knew the intersection at 45th wasn't happening--but I thought ODOT had agreed to get rid of that short merge from 28th.  It's insane that they still allow that (almost as much as the drivers who don't know what a yield sign is).

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1377 on: November 21, 2017, 02:15:37 PM »
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Something to be thankful for ahead of Thanksgiving. The Lakefront Bikeway is FINALLY getting paved!!!





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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1378 on: November 21, 2017, 05:04:25 PM »
YES!!!!!  Finally!!!

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Re: Cleveland: Shoreway Boulevard Conversion
« Reply #1379 on: December 07, 2017, 04:44:41 PM »
Kind of a breakdown of the Shoreway project from Matt Zone on Ideastream.

http://www.ideastream.org/programs/ideas/remaking-clevelandís-shoreway-helps-remake-a-neighborhood
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