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Author Topic: Cleveland: Downtown: The Beacon/515 Euclid Avenue  (Read 6835 times)

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Offline MayDay

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #60 on: February 21, 2005, 08:27:04 PM »
Here's an update from last week, but more importantly folks, I have found the motherlode - RENDERINGS of the TOWER!!!!

http://chiarchitect.com/office/ARCADE-sub1.htm


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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #61 on: February 21, 2005, 08:35:32 PM »
Hmmm.... a new design?  I read somewhere recently that it was 7 stories instead of five, and what we've seen with the elevator shaft and those new renderings confirm it.  I guess that means that the article was probably right about the condo tower being 17 stories (instead of 20) as well. 

The new rendering looks much more "finished" than the old one, as well, although more conservative.  Looks like an echo of one of the old dept stores that lined Euclid.  Thanks, MayDay.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #62 on: February 21, 2005, 08:47:21 PM »
Is there another city in the country that has as many brown buildings as Cleveland?

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #63 on: February 21, 2005, 08:50:12 PM »
^Methinks that's why a lot of the new buildings are going with a lot of glass.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #64 on: February 21, 2005, 09:33:49 PM »
whoa!  nice, that thing looks like it rivals fifth third and national city.

I know this is unrelated, but look at their "entertainment wheel" for the city

http://chiarchitect.com/institutional/cleveland/night.JPG

-gasp- why is that a Gehry skyscraper in the skyline??  along with ameritrust tower??



and CIA, omg cmon build this shit people, altho i do like the car factory... so i shouldnt complain. 

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #65 on: February 21, 2005, 11:15:21 PM »
It sounds like the 17-story apartment building doesn't count the 7-story parking deck. In other words, 24 stories total. Am I right?

Why not just build the apartment tower and the parking deck at the same time? I would think the parking deck couldn't be used while construction of the apartment tower is going on, thus they will be paying the financing for the parking deck without the revenues to retire it? Unless, the apartment tower is some years off in the future and the developers believe the parking revenues will help get them started on financing for the tower? Just musing what their thinking might be on this....

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #66 on: February 22, 2005, 07:00:42 AM »
Have they started presales on the tower yet?

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #67 on: February 22, 2005, 08:04:02 AM »
This project still confuses me.....is the tower portion of the project being built soon, or is it something that may happen in the distant future?  Height wise, how does the proposed tower compare to the Federal Courthouse tower?  (that's the lastest skyscraper in CLE right?)

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #68 on: February 22, 2005, 08:16:23 AM »
It is about the same height as Fed cths Tower.  Size wise, it looks comparable to 5th Third.  It is being built in the future.  The 10 story parking garage is being built now.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #69 on: February 22, 2005, 11:22:03 AM »
Wow.  I didn't know the tower was going to be that tall.  I hope it gets built-- it'll be a significant addition to the skyline.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #70 on: February 22, 2005, 02:44:55 PM »
in response to above:

JohnOSU99, Key Tower is the tallest building in Cleveland (and Ohio) at around 950 ft. 

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #71 on: February 22, 2005, 04:37:36 PM »
This project still confuses me.....is the tower portion of the project being built soon, or is it something that may happen in the distant future?

From what I've read, and the way I am interpreting things, is that it will be added on later once/if the demand for it arises.

I can only hope I'm wrong :)

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #72 on: February 22, 2005, 04:39:56 PM »
in response to above:

JohnOSU99, Key Tower is the tallest building in Cleveland (and Ohio) at around 950 ft.

I know.....I was asking if the Federal Courthouse was the newest skyscraper in cleveland, but I misspelled "latest", d'oh

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #73 on: February 22, 2005, 05:22:06 PM »
although i am glad to see them, i do not really "get" the renderings on that site.

i'm just glad to see a spiffy, shiny and modern glassed up garage with thoughtful street level retail. that's a nice and real city slick move for a car park in such a prominent setting. it easily could have been much much less than that. a condo/apt tower on top would just be a bonus at this point.

anyone know what the eta is for when they are supposed to be done with garage construction? any known stores yet (looks like maybe they had foot locker in mind)?



 

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #74 on: February 22, 2005, 06:00:36 PM »
If the renderings on top are the redeisnged building it looks gross.  Owell, and talk about a 2bit website, they need some help.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #75 on: February 22, 2005, 06:04:47 PM »
wow, looks like key tower needs to go on a diet,


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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #76 on: February 22, 2005, 07:20:37 PM »
All of the photos on their website are squashed.  I wonder if they go the proportions of their own building right.  It would be too thin otherwise, I think.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #77 on: February 22, 2005, 07:37:09 PM »
Well everyone I'm happy to report that the architect who did those renderings was so kind to tell that the project/tower has since been redesigned and he was hired simply to do the initial renderings. He also generously gave me some contact information so I can hopefully get the updated versions. So there  :wink:

Having said that - can we try to make our criticisms constructive? Simply put - this site has started attracting attention from people in the industry. I would much rather have them feel welcome to share with us rather than refrain from sharing because people make nasty comments. I'm not saying that we have to like everything, but if we don't like something - there are good ways to go about it without being caustic. It's not really a problem at the moment but then again, I'd like to see it not get that way. Thanks!  :-)
« Last Edit: February 22, 2005, 07:38:07 PM by MayDay »

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #78 on: February 22, 2005, 09:04:42 PM »
well i kinda liked the cia rendering

I think if the photo is made proportional the tower looks rather proportional as well.  Also i like the other renderings on the website, its nice to see some fresh ideas/concepts for cleveland for a change, regardless if they're realistic or "pretty" or whatever
« Last Edit: February 22, 2005, 09:27:28 PM by zaceman »

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #79 on: February 22, 2005, 11:40:31 PM »
Nice find MayDay. 

This will be really good for helping fill out the gap in the skyline between the public square buildings and the  East 9th buildings.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #80 on: February 22, 2005, 11:59:39 PM »
Build it, and the residents will come. Maybe they'll wait until EC is done, to stay out of the way of each other's construction, and to see what the ridership will be like on the transitway....  If they do build that apartment tower, and it fills up with paying bodies, I'll wager that another tower will pop up on the south side of Euclid -- either by demolishing the 668 Euclid/Atrium Building or in using the parking lot where the Hippodrome used to be.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #81 on: February 23, 2005, 01:13:54 AM »
thanks for the resize job zaceman.....

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #82 on: February 23, 2005, 11:07:27 AM »
wow, i never knew it would be this tall, cool

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #83 on: February 23, 2005, 08:35:40 PM »
That rendering looks like its showing 20+ stories, so if its 17, it will be a bit shorter than the rendering.  Of course, since its been redesigned, it might not be anything like that at all.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #84 on: February 23, 2005, 08:50:13 PM »
17+7, i think its showing a 17 story tower on top of the 7 story garage/retail actually

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #85 on: February 23, 2005, 08:54:07 PM »
Could be. My eyes kind of swim when I try to count on this screen.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #86 on: February 26, 2005, 05:52:11 PM »
Hey everyone, I'm new here, but no stranger to digging for Cleveland development news on the internet.  I was at this construction site in December and sat staring at it for about 10 minutes, just imagining the possibilities.  And this before I knew that there were plans for a future residential tower! 

Now, on the subject of adding to foundation buildings...it looks as though the Winking Lizard/Cleveland Urban Design Center building at the intersection of Huron and Prospect was initially expected to be much much taller.  Though it is a handsome building and well-utilized, has anyone heard of any plans to retrofit it and build up???

...enthralled...

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #87 on: February 26, 2005, 06:21:20 PM »
Welcome Mister Good Day.  The foundations are put in with the idea of building a tower.  They do not have to add them later.   I never knew there was a possibility of adding to the Winking Lizard building.  Please share if you have info on that.

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« Reply #88 on: February 26, 2005, 06:30:20 PM »
no no!  that's my question!  I know that the new building features the engineering to support future floors, but I'm not sure if the Winking Lizard building does.  It's possible that it does, but if not, I think a retrofitting could provide this in a two-story building.  Again, I'm no engineer, but I'm sure it's been done before. 

anyways, it's interesting to see the Pointe at Gateway with its new apartments and a big wall on the east side with no windows...might as well build up to meet it...if those apartments sell, new ones on the actual "point" should sell even better!

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #89 on: February 26, 2005, 08:00:12 PM »
Was the Pinnacle garage always designed to hold a tower above it?  If not, what kind of work had to be done to make it support the tower?  Could that work be done in the Pointe?  Or would it have to be something different?