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Author Topic: Cleveland: Downtown: The Beacon/515 Euclid Avenue  (Read 7465 times)

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Offline mrclifton88

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #660 on: May 18, 2017, 04:31:30 PM »
I know everyone wants to ask the same questions and people want ground broken right after project announcements. This is complex stuff. But I have to ask does anyone know what this says about the legitimacy of NuCleUs?

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #661 on: May 19, 2017, 12:45:20 PM »
Just talked to a couple people at least nominally involved he feel duped, to say the least.

If this is any indication of how Stark would handle NuCLEus, I wouldn't ever expect to see it in the sky. Hopefully, that's different, though, given the tenant commitments.

As noted above, I know this is complex, but this is so unbelievably frustrating. Especially when you see the speed with which 25th and Detroit is moving (I know they're completely different developments with differing zoning requirements etc etc). Nonetheless, it IS possible for projects to move expeditiously in Cleveland.

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #662 on: May 19, 2017, 12:51:35 PM »
Another concern, just given my profession... continuous delays after financing has been closed often results in litigation, especially on a project of this size where some of the subs have cleared their calendars. I'm being a pessimist, one of you PLEASE save me and remind me that I'm being unreasonable.

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #663 on: May 19, 2017, 01:10:28 PM »
If the cause of delay is the typo in the BZA variance, wouldn't it be cheaper just to press ahead with a building that's 15 feet shorter?
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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #664 on: May 19, 2017, 03:12:36 PM »
So removing 2 floors of apartments renting at $2/sf, paying the architect and engineers too?

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #665 on: May 19, 2017, 05:37:03 PM »
How much would a 3- to 4-month delay cost?
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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #666 on: May 19, 2017, 05:39:24 PM »
How much would a 3- to 4-month delay cost?

Typically, the bigger hits come to the smaller subs, as they usually need to clear a large portion of their schedule for these undertakings... which often means turning down business in the expected window.

I am not well versed enough to speak for the costs to the developer, though.

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #667 on: May 20, 2017, 09:34:38 AM »
Will you also have to factor in a second set of "campaign contributions" to get this through the approval process?

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #669 on: May 22, 2017, 05:39:29 PM »
I've been to the one in Toledo.....Its pretty good.  Now they just need to start building.......

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #670 on: May 22, 2017, 09:16:13 PM »
I've been to the one in Toledo.....Its pretty good.  Now they just need to start building.......

One day......... Maybe.....

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #671 on: May 25, 2017, 02:37:48 PM »
Any word on what they decided on may 22 board of zoning appeals ?

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #672 on: May 25, 2017, 02:41:24 PM »
Any word on what they decided on may 22 board of zoning appeals ?

I wish they posted minutes and vote results of BZA meetings, as well as design review, CPC, and landmark meetings

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #673 on: May 25, 2017, 03:14:06 PM »
Any word on what they decided on may 22 board of zoning appeals ?

I wish they posted minutes and vote results of BZA meetings, as well as design review, CPC, and landmark meetings

Public Records Request

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #674 on: May 25, 2017, 03:30:36 PM »
Heard some not great news today. Don't want to say more than that until it's confirmed but BLEHHHH.

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #675 on: May 25, 2017, 04:01:24 PM »
Wow. If it's what we all think it is, this guy can get crap done in the city

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #676 on: May 25, 2017, 04:20:58 PM »
What is going on here?

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #677 on: May 25, 2017, 04:22:26 PM »
Wow. If it's what we all think it is, this guy can get crap done in the city

Yeah, I am extremely disheartened right now. Going to reach out to a friend tomorrow to see if they can tell me anything that would confirm or (hopefully) tell me my source is full of it.

As of right now, Stark seems like the Div III college athlete that keeps talking about how he will make the jump to the NFL, but is conspicuously absent from team activities.

I know Stark has a very impressive portfolio elsewhere and, on the whole, they are a great company to work for... I just do not know how I go from parking at 515 on May 1st and speaking to gentlemen with blueprints to a major setback. I really hope it is hearsay, and I believe that Stark has a great intentions with these projects; but between NuCLEus and Beacon, the frustration is becoming a bit much.  :bang:

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #678 on: May 25, 2017, 04:41:48 PM »
So what Happened?   - Nobody from Stark show-up at Mondays BZA Mettings?

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #679 on: May 25, 2017, 04:51:21 PM »
Everybody needs to calm down everything is fine.

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #680 on: May 25, 2017, 06:57:06 PM »
Someone was there from WRL to present. Didn't stay to hear the BOZA decision.

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #681 on: May 26, 2017, 11:18:02 AM »
I'm waiting anxiously for some news????

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #682 on: May 26, 2017, 12:01:09 PM »
^everything is fine.   Construction will start this summer.
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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #683 on: May 26, 2017, 12:03:18 PM »
^everything is fine.   Construction will start tho summer.

Can I ask how you know? If you want to answer in personal messenger, I'll respect your anonymity.
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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #684 on: May 26, 2017, 12:07:02 PM »
^ I just sent you a message

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #685 on: May 26, 2017, 01:17:51 PM »
^everything is fine.   Construction will start this summer.

After today, I'm definitely in your camp again.

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #686 on: May 26, 2017, 01:19:01 PM »
Thanks for the updates!  This is encouraging news!!

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #687 on: May 26, 2017, 02:14:29 PM »
^everything is fine.   Construction will start this summer.

After today, I'm definitely in your camp again.

They are correct. The project is moving forward.
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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #688 on: May 26, 2017, 04:00:31 PM »
Stark at big annual retail trade show this week - with this development on banner behind him... (Right?):

http://www.starkenterprises.com/icsc-recon-with-robert-stark/

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: 515 Euclid Avenue
« Reply #689 on: May 26, 2017, 06:57:02 PM »
I have to believe that this project is, indeed, moving forward even if not fast enough for some of us... After all the detailed design discussion/negotiations about this building, it would be unbelievable if it all fell through...and I maintain my belief that it won't.