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Author Topic: Cleveland: Downtown: The Beacon/515 Euclid Avenue  (Read 6554 times)

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Offline buildingcincinnati

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« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2004, 09:09:17 AM »
Quote from: MayDay
Now, if we could get northeast Ohio to secede from the  downstate hilljacks...  :lol:

Watch it!  :D

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« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2004, 06:13:52 PM »
hahaha!

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« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2004, 07:34:35 PM »
Does anyone know what the approx. population of the downtown districts will be when all of the new housing goes in?
I think the magic number for the "critical mass" is 10,000.  Is this right, and how close will we be?

Thanks

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« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2004, 07:21:53 AM »
oh im sure its getting close in some areas of downtown, last number i heard for all of downtown was somewhere around 9500

however that 10,000 figure is per square mile and downtown cleveland is about 4 sq miles.  So i would say somewhere in the 20k-25k range is when the ball will start rolling.

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« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2004, 01:52:14 PM »
I've been saying for years we should secede -- everything north of the Ohio Turnpike! True about Richard Florida oversimplifying. And the area from University Circle up to Coventry and Shaker Square has just about everything the Creative Class could want. So, sometimes you have to do some PR-truth stretching to attract the Creative Class to the part of your city that meets their needs, then create more nodes in other parts of the city once a critical mass has been achieved.

RE: banks....  I think you know that if Cleveland had more amenities and less of the political BS that turns off companies that are shopping for new homes, we'd be in a better position to grab employers when the opportunities arise -- such as when the troubles in Quebec prompted financial institutions to flee. They, of course, settled in Toronto.

That's why I keep being a pain in the ass about this to build the amenities, urban housing styles and dynamism here that can attract employers, nurture entrepenuers and retain them. One parting thought -- an urban design consultant I once heard noted that there are only six cities in the U.S. with truly healthy downtowns:  Boston, Chicago, New York/Manhattan, Portland, San Francisco and Seattle. The two main characteristics these downtowns had were that at least 10 percent of the "mother city's" population lived downtown, office and residential vacancy rates were less than 5 percent and it's downtown had good public transit that linked it to employment, cultural and other attractions.

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« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2004, 04:21:57 PM »




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« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2004, 06:25:21 AM »
^^Sweet pics

I think we're on our way to having a healthy downtown.  The magic number that would give us this is 25,000, at least according to Frank Jackson.  We have a few years to go before we have that many people living downtown, but I don't believe it to be too far off into the future.  When developers and investors see the success that the Pinnacle and District Park will have, we will see new housing construction sites popping up not just in the WD, but also in Gateway and other parts of downtown.  With more people downtown, there's a good chance that run-off development will spill into the neighborhoods which need it.  It will take time, but I believe right now we are a part of the city and the regions rebirth.  As far as the political scene in this town... it's a good thing that the old power structure is getting older (Miller, Ratner, and the other billionaires that controll our politicians like puppets).  Now we might actually get something done here LOL

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« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2004, 11:25:02 PM »
Keep in mind that, when Mayor Campbell and others say there's X-thousand people living downtown, they actually count an average of 2,000 people or so "living" at the Cuyahoga County Jail!

Having 25,000 people living downtown would make a huge difference. But to have a truly healthy downtown, a better goal is to have 10 percent of the mother city's population living in the core -- or about 50,000 people. Obviously, we're a long way from that. Best to make 25K the interim goal, then once that's achieved, the momentum would be there to help move us toward doubling it.

I'm not sure where all these people would be employed, though. Gotta get the jobs here....I hate chicken-and-egg situations!

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« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2004, 05:01:44 PM »
^Amen

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« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2004, 01:52:24 PM »
I agree it's a total chicken and egg situation.   You need jobs and amenities such as groceries and pharmacies to get people to live downtown, but you need "critical mass" of people living there before developers will move in.  Hopefully as the more adventurous developers continue to create apartments / condos and people move in, we will get closer to that critical point, and soon.

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« Reply #41 on: October 31, 2004, 05:34:09 PM »
we are getting a grocery store in the WD.  hopefully that will bring some more people into the area.  It seems as though theres tons of places to eat downtown, the place is bustling on the weekend with the places to eat.  Just a few weeks ago i checked out the WD and thats exactly what i encountered, but as far as checking out stores there... well... the porn shop on W 6th(or W 9th?) was kinda interesting...?  lol

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« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2004, 07:46:26 PM »
i could not even tell that was a parking garage. nice trick! ground level retail or whatever business space is mandatory. good show by the planners to think ahead too by making the structure flexible for housing.

to the doubters, i'd say this kind of minor infill building is among the most important activity that can go on in a healthy city. i'm sorry building construction is not happening on some people's timeline but the important thing is it is happening and cranes are in the sky in cleveland. it wont be long until the rehabs are all rehabbed and more new construction starts at a faster rate. keep supporting it by buying into it and it will continue exponentially!

for now yay lets hear it for cool creative parking garages!

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« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2004, 09:27:48 PM »
Quote: the porn shop on W 6th(or W 9th?) was kinda interesting...? lol

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« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2004, 07:42:01 AM »
LOL, never knew there WAS a porn store downtown, I'll have to check it out :D

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« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2004, 09:14:51 AM »
I think I went into that porn store one time when I went to the Flats.  This was probably 8 years ago, though.

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« Reply #46 on: November 02, 2004, 09:37:48 PM »
Oh West 9th Video and News? Haha! That place is so educational... honestly, it has *everything* - I love taking my galpals in there... just when I think they're so demure and innocent  :lol:  :shock: :lol:

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« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2004, 10:34:47 PM »
^ yea exactly!

"well i never been to a pornshop before" next thing you know shes staring at the gay porn haha

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« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2004, 07:58:30 PM »
A few shots of 515 Euclid from this past week... looks like the elevator shaft is topped out at 5 stories:




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« Reply #49 on: November 07, 2004, 11:47:01 AM »
ha, you said "shaft"

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« Reply #50 on: November 07, 2004, 04:44:30 PM »
and who ever said we need to grow up!

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« Reply #51 on: November 07, 2004, 05:03:32 PM »
I dont know, i've seen bigger shafts in my life before

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« Reply #52 on: November 13, 2004, 11:27:04 PM »
Anybody have any idea who the developers might have in mind to occupy the 11,000 (?) SQ of retail on the ground floor?  I'd imagine they should have an easier time now with the addition of the HOB accross the street.
     I apologize if there already is a topic regarding this, but I noticed on my last trip downtown that it appears some of the building between the Colonial Arcade and E. 4th have had their old facades stripped off.  Curious if there's any news regarding that strip of buildings.  
     The closer we get to the opening of the HOB the more excited I get to see what else they might have cooked up for this stretch.  A few things that might be cool for the area on Euclid right near E. 4th:
-A Rainforest Cafe (would be pretty cool to help complement some of the other themed venues in the area
-H & M (I know that Westlake is already adding one, but I can't help but hope.  Just seeing how packed all of the NYC ones are keeps me dreaming)
-That rumored Virgin Megastore
-Margaritaville (I know Cleveland's not exactly tropical, but I think we have enough Parrotheads up here to keep the place jumping)
     Just all this talk about HOB keeps me hoping, feel free to add to the list of what you'd like to see happen around E. 4th and Euclid.

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« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2004, 03:49:06 PM »
Well, personally I am not a big fan of corporate restuarants, but I think I remember some talk of making the may company building an ESPN Zone.  It would have enterances on Public Square and Prospect facing Gateway.  I think that would be OK.

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« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2004, 05:07:50 PM »
I too agree that I'd love to see more locally operated restaurants go in, but one can't deny the drawing power of these large chains.  What comes to mind for me is the River North neighborhood of Chicago.  They seemed to successfully combine chains (Rainforest Cafe, Hard Rock) and locally owned restaurants (Gino's East Pizza, Harry Carey's) to make a very unique setting.  I'd love to see locally owned restaurants prosper in that area, but I think even local restaurant owners would agree that unique chains help to bring more people (and money) to the area.

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« Reply #55 on: November 14, 2004, 07:16:03 PM »
I would like to see people DT.  Thats numeral uno on my list.

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« Reply #56 on: December 14, 2004, 04:38:24 PM »
Anyone been by the site lately?

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« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2004, 07:59:09 PM »
I go by it usually once a day during the workweek - the main core is up and they're working on the ramp. It's up to about the 3rd level of parking level concrete but I imagine the weather has slowed progress.

The buildings across the street look like they may be restored to their original facades but the weather is probably affecting that as well.

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« Reply #58 on: December 18, 2004, 07:39:55 PM »
I can confirm that they're restoring the facades of the buildings on the south side of Euclid - they've cleaned the former McCrory Building and the others seem to be awaiting the same fate.

Another update of 515 Euclid:




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« Reply #59 on: December 19, 2004, 10:37:01 AM »
^Yeah the ones next to HOB have been redone since summer at this point.  The masonry work is great.