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Author Topic: Cleveland: Downtown: The Beacon/515 Euclid Avenue  (Read 6838 times)

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Offline Map Boy

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #120 on: June 17, 2005, 05:14:20 PM »
i like the looks of those windows and reflective glass...I hope they manage to keep 'em clean!  that's one smoggy street right now!  it'll be better in a few years, though, when all the new greenery is in and the bus transit is more eco-friendly...

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #123 on: July 11, 2005, 12:43:54 AM »
Thanks for the update

Those windows are going to look great when this is finished. 

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #124 on: July 11, 2005, 11:14:04 AM »
yeah the windows will look great.  but what will be looking at thru these "great" windows  :?

Does anyone have an update/information as to what retailers will be located on the ground floor?

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #125 on: July 11, 2005, 11:24:09 AM »
wow it looks like a great building.... to put a 25 story condo tower on....

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #126 on: July 11, 2005, 12:32:52 PM »
It looks like it will really lively up Euclid Ave

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #127 on: July 11, 2005, 11:48:46 PM »
how did they pick the pattern for the glass/reflective glass....... looks random as hell, not to say that thats a bad thing

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #128 on: July 29, 2005, 11:19:52 AM »
The scaffolding on this was taken down, but there are no grates in the sidewalk for any trees.  The sidewalk seems too large here to not include some trees, especially with BP and NatCity at both ends having more mature trees planted.

Does anyone know if euclid corridor work will include new sidewalks in this area and maybe this is just a temporary concrete pad?

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #129 on: July 29, 2005, 11:25:08 AM »
Good question...That was my first reaction...that they're probably not going to invest in streetscape stuff just yet, since it'll probably be torn up soon anyways.  That, or maybe they'll bring in above-ground planters.  Those can be attractive too and can be effective buffers from high volume traffic in active pedestrian areas.  I'm anxious to see it!

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #130 on: August 10, 2005, 09:54:48 PM »
515 Euclid parking garage is now open! They are still working on the ground-level retail, but the garage is definately open.. I rode my bike past it on August 9th, and it is a very slick facility, reminds me of Central Parking NYC quality..

-John

PS - I believe the garage is owned/operated by Ampco parking. I would say that it's the nicest parking garage in Cleveland, next to the indoor/heated garage at Penton Media Building.
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #131 on: August 11, 2005, 10:36:32 AM »
Additionally, I have read from an independent source that 515 Euclid Avenue could reach 28+ stories once demand is met to build a condo tower above the garage. Up until I heard '28+ stories', I had read that it would be somewhere around 20 stories. I wonder if that 20-28 stories is in addition to the 9 story garage.. if so, that could become quite a tall skyscraper. The other interesting aspect that nobody has mentioned is that if they do move forward to create a condo tower one day at 515 Euclid, it would be quite unique in the downtown skyline.. why? Because almost every high rise apartment/condo in downtown follows a wide length, unlengthy height format (e.g. Reserve Square, Pinnacle, and Stone Bridge) whereas 515 Euclid is in a very tight corner spot, meaning that it will be a very skinny and tall building if completed, similar to those of Chicago and NYC where it is physically impossible to build something like a Pinnacle nowadays in those cities. While 515 Euclid's garage does stretch behind East 6th next to the Arcade, I would highly doubt that the tower would occupy that portion of the space since it would offer little to no views due to constraints on all sides. If Euclid Avenue's new RTA project works out well and if Euclid does get some more retail and development near E. 4th-E. 6th, I will continue to stay dedicated to making that area my future home.
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #132 on: August 11, 2005, 12:02:32 PM »
515 Euclid parking garage is now open! They are still working on the ground-level retail, but the garage is definately open.. I rode my bike past it on August 9th, and it is a very slick facility, reminds me of Central Parking NYC quality..

-John

PS - I believe the garage is owned/operated by Ampco parking. I would say that it's the nicest parking garage in Cleveland, next to the indoor/heated garage at Penton Media Building.

However I checked on the prices...

$275/month reserved
~ $225/month non-reserved.
Ouch!!

I called to check because it looks secure. Some bum busted in my window and stole change from my car in the garage on 630 prospect ave the other night.  :cry:

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue??
« Reply #133 on: August 11, 2005, 12:38:07 PM »
Dan, not sure if it would help but I believe the garage at 630 Prospect has surveillance cameras. You may want to check - if they do, that could help find the perp.

Here's a pic of 515 Euclid from about 30 minutes ago (August 10th). I've been holding back on commentary until the finished product but here's my take.

  • It seriously looks like the developers cheaped out compared to the renderings.
  • The clear glass, reflective glass, granite facade, beige concrete, and red accents clash horribly.
  • There are small "nooks" along the base which serve no purpose but will collect windswept litter. A big concern is a nook along East 6th Street which, if anyone remembers the previous buildings, became a panhandler perch.
  • The granite facade is nearly identical to that of AT Tower and we've seen how well that aged.
  • Even though it's "only a parking garage", any structure at this prominent corner should be held to high design standards and it's rather obvious that this wasn't. Is it nice compared to other garages? Yes, but that's not saying much.




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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #134 on: August 11, 2005, 01:14:25 PM »
still an improvement over the Mr. Hero and Radio Shack that was there

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #135 on: August 11, 2005, 01:51:28 PM »
From the looks of Mayday's new picture (as completed), I personally think it looks AWESOME!!! I never thought I could admire a parking garage, but I definately like it a lot.. as a matter of fact, it puts all the other parking garages in the Financial District to utter shame - just walk down E. 6th and turn down Vincent to see an ugly and even an uglier garage behind Fifth 3rd and McDonald Investment buildings, respectively. Not only that, but the others are no more 2-3 levels, and they offer no retail on the ground levels, nothing except big ugly garages taking up valuable space. Like I said in the past, I hope the new garage at 515 Euclid takes all these garages business away, then they will tear down and re-build with retail implemented, as well as possible office/hotel space on top.. Sure that's a long shot, but it definately could happen within the next few years!
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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #136 on: August 11, 2005, 06:30:50 PM »
I don't know what to make of it.  It's just kind of bizarre and random.  But it isn't really what one would think of a classic "deconstructionist".  I'd be interested to hear from the architect what the concept is supposed to be.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #137 on: August 12, 2005, 12:14:24 PM »
I tend to side more w/ MayDay on this one -- I love the concept - parking garages w/ ground-level retail, even w/o the above residences, can work very well in tight/high-traffic areas like 515 Euclid; we need look no further than around the corner to the very-well done Fat Fish Blue development built from the old Goodyear Tire store.  But I'm greatly disappointed in what I'm seeing @ 515.  It looks cheesy.  Most garage-over-retail projects in other cities (Philly's highly successful, recent block-long garage over Maggiano’s restaurant & other shops/stores @ 11th/12th & Filbert comes immediately to mind), go out of their way to mask that the garage is, in fact, a garage -- w/ contemporary post-modern architecture preferences they're usually blended in so well they look like just another office building.

... but not this thing.  You can see right through those cheap-looking Plexiglas (?) shields right to the usu, ugly stacked-block parking ramp structure.  And the use of the Plexiglas at street level looks really cheap and will look all the worse compared to its neighbors, most notably, the classy/handsome adaptive-reuse at the Arcade/Hyatt with its handsome Vivo restaurant & al fresco seating.  I just don’t see how individualized uses can be made w/ this construction (like awnings, multi-colored glass, neon, etc.)

Like I said, in concept, 515 is great tonic for this particular area, esp if the condo tower is built, so I really want to like it for this reason, alone... but so far, I'm not diggin' what I'm seeing.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #138 on: August 12, 2005, 12:25:14 PM »
I wonder if that 20-28 stories is in addition to the 9 story garage.. if so, that could become quite a tall skyscraper. The other interesting aspect that nobody has mentioned is that if they do move forward to create a condo tower one day at 515 Euclid, it would be quite unique in the downtown skyline.. why? Because almost every high rise apartment/condo in downtown follows a wide length, unlengthy height format (e.g. Reserve Square, Pinnacle, and Stone Bridge) whereas 515 Euclid is in a very tight corner spot, meaning that it will be a very skinny and tall building if completed, similar to those of Chicago and NYC where it is physically impossible to build something like a Pinnacle nowadays in those cities.

You're dead on... I'd really like to see one of those sexy/slender highrises in Cleveland... And while we're at it, for once, I wish this one, of our few highrises, would incorporate balconies.  Not only do balconies add to the visual playfulness (if you will) of a tall building, it makes the suites much more fun/livable.  I'll never live in a high-rise again (and I've lived in a few in other towns) without a balcony.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #139 on: August 13, 2005, 03:06:49 PM »
After reading some of the critiques from earlier this week, I strolled by the site and will admit that I am very pleased with the structure!  I think the opportunity to fill in these retail spaces with some high-end shops...likely national chains...is very exciting and will do wonders for the street life and function of the immediate blocks.  The glass and garage structure is nothing notable, but it's also not unattractive (in my opinion)...and of course, the prospect of building on top (up to 28 stories!) is incredible! 

On the whole, I think the scale and facade are appropriate and will only stand to improve as the retailers fill the huge display windows with shoes, clothing, books, furniture, etc...

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #143 on: August 25, 2005, 04:33:10 PM »
another stroll by this week reinforced my earlier statement...I like the aesthetics of this building a lot!  The different glass materials encasing the garage reflect the historic buildings around 515 in a very attractive way.  nice job.

also, there are no "for rent" or "for lease" signs on the structure...does this mean they've got a tenant lined up???

can you imagine if they put in a Whole Foods and built the tower on top???  Those places would sell like hotcakes!!!  And the apartments all around (East 4th, Euclid, Prospect, etc) would get a nice boost as well...

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #144 on: August 25, 2005, 05:19:21 PM »
there is one sign posted on the far west window that says "retail space available."

i think they are experimenting with some colorful window coverings as opposed to the normal "for lease" signs. 

i don't think there is room for even a small whole foods.  if you look at the spaces, they are divided in the middle by garage pedestrian entrance from euclid.  and i don't know of the ultimate build out opportunities, but it appears more suited for retail rather than restuarant / grocery use.

i'd like to see 2 things: 1) Baja Fresh on the corner with some nice umbrellas and a little fenced in dining.  I've done some analysis (and forwarded this to Baja Fresh), but basically there doesn't appear to be anyone locally who wants to underwrite this and corporate franchises are on hold for now. 

2) Move the starbucks from BP.  I know it does brisk business from the tower, but after hours and weekends, even when open, doesn't give nearly as good street presence as most suburban strip malls.

a nice wide sidewalk like this needs some trees and some tables and umbrellas.

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #145 on: August 26, 2005, 08:38:55 AM »
^it would go well with the arcade restaurants next to it. 

i was driving home the one day and i really like the contrasting look of this building.  my only issue is they need to finish it, it even looks like it should have a tower...

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« Reply #146 on: August 26, 2005, 09:27:44 AM »
thanks for the comments, urbanlife.  I really haven't looked through the windows and didn't notice how the spaces were divided.  I'm just a big dork for Whole Foods and couldn't get the image out of my mind! 

on your other comments...I agree.  There's ample sidewalk space for cafe/restaurant seating and plantings.  An earlier comment here questioned if they were waiting for Euclid Corridor construction to finish up before throwing a bunch of money at sidewalk improvements that might have to be moved for construction anyways...

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #147 on: September 20, 2005, 01:19:22 PM »
Check out this article from propertiesmag.com - it has a small rendering of the condo tower... I think this project would look much better with *that* on top.

Please don't post their pics here, folks :-)

http://www.propertiesmag.com/current/2005-09/515.htm

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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #148 on: September 20, 2005, 08:25:06 PM »
oh wow, i like it aside from the weird roof, i say just keep it flat and simple.

its funny, working for the art museum at ingenuity i must have heard at least ten people talking about how they "heard theres going to be a condo tower going up" too...




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Re: 515 Euclid Avenue Garage
« Reply #149 on: September 21, 2005, 02:01:02 PM »
why is the tower offset from the main parking structure? i'm just going to assume it has to do with structual supports or something..........