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Re: Glenville | Circle North Development
« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2018, 12:56:15 PM »
I personally feel as though Glenville is historic enough to stand on it's own. Tremont kept its name, Ohio City kept its name, Glenville should be just Glenville. They talk about not gentrifying the neighborhood but calling this area circle north to change the perception of it screams gentrification. Do I understand why they are doing it? Yes. Do I agree or thinks they need to/should? No

There’s no such thing in the history books as “the Tremont Shootout” or Ohio City Shootout or Ohio City Riots either. The fact of the matter is, fair or not, Glenville’s brand still suffers from its history. I’m much more interested in attracting things to help actual people in that neighborhood than I am about what developers choose to call it

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« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2018, 12:58:17 PM »
I think there's a possibility for a middle ground where they brand the southern part of the neighborhood for its proximity to UC while still acknowledging that it's Glenville.  Developers and Realtors can refer to it as Circle North while banners and signage in the actual neighborhood say "Circle North: A Glenville Neighborhood" or something like that. "Welcome to Glenville" when you cross Wade Park Ave.

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« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2018, 01:23:11 PM »
BTW, the last, sickening episode of the Glenville Shootout occurred at East 105th and Euclid in the old Hotel Haddam. Yet few people ever associate this location with the Glenville Shootout.
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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2018, 02:35:24 PM »
Circle North: A Glenville Neighborhood

Shall we make this a rule, then?

Duck Island: A Tremont Neighborhood
Waterloo Arts District: A Collinwood Neighborhood
Gordon Square: A Detroit-Shoreway Neighborhood

Or can we just Learn to Stop Worrying and Love the Investment?

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« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2018, 03:27:43 PM »
Waterloo and Gordon Square definitely also use the Collinwood and Detroit-Shoreway brands. That's my point.

I'm not worried, and I love the investment, but I would understand if some might be upset that the minute a part of Glenville improves, it all of a sudden ceases to be Glenville. I think that's a perfectly legitimate concern, especially considering it's a neighborhood with a rich history and proud residents.

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« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2018, 04:03:22 PM »
I made a thread for this long ago.  Cleveland has some awkward nomenclatures that could bear some cleaning up.  Glenville is one of the few neighborhoods here with a unique name and successful branding, so I would hesitate to lump it in with anything else, even for short term gain.  And "University Circle" is on my nomenclature hit list already.  I'd rather call that Glenville than vice versa.

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« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2018, 04:10:38 PM »
Despite not being a circle, University Circle has been called that for a long time, and houses a university. I don't really know where you're coming from on that one.

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« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2018, 04:16:07 PM »
Somewhat similarly, the Innova project's website describes its geography as being the "Upper Chester district of the historic Hough neighborhood:" http://www.thefinchgroup.com/case-studies/innova/

Just throw "Historic" in front of Glenville and boom!

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« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2018, 04:17:41 PM »
Despite not being a circle, University Circle has been called that for a long time, and houses a university. I don't really know where you're coming from on that one.

Except it had a circle....



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« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2018, 04:19:15 PM »
Despite not being a circle, University Circle has been called that for a long time, and houses a university. I don't really know where you're coming from on that one.

Well, there's the circle problem.  And it's a little long and cumbersome.  It's not terrible, it's halfway down the hit list.  I do somewhat prefer Doan's Corners.

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« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2018, 04:31:23 PM »
It is a bit cumbersome, but I think that bus rapid transit vehicle has long since left the station.  ;D

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« Reply #41 on: March 29, 2018, 10:32:39 PM »
Can you elaborate on why you believe Glenville has good branding and University Circle does not?  Just curious!
I made a thread for this long ago.  Cleveland has some awkward nomenclatures that could bear some cleaning up.  Glenville is one of the few neighborhoods here with a unique name and successful branding, so I would hesitate to lump it in with anything else, even for short term gain.  And "University Circle" is on my nomenclature hit list already.  I'd rather call that Glenville than vice versa.
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« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2018, 10:17:08 AM »
Can you elaborate on why you believe Glenville has good branding and University Circle does not?  Just curious!

Until recently, UC contained very little residential.  Most residential in its area is assigned to Glenville, Hough, Fairfax, Little Italy or a suburb.  Compare to Oakland in Pittsburgh or Clifton in Cincinnati, both of which include their own neighborhood areas with generations of former residents.  As a destination, UC has solid branding.  As a neighborhood, it's had almost nothing to call its own until the boom of the last decade.  There used to be a lot of mixed use there, before the hospitals tore everything down, but several place-names were in use back then even if UC was one of them.  And that was all bulldozed.

Glenville's branding is limited to Superman and a bunch of NFL prospects, but that's more than most comparable neighborhoods can claim.  Anyone who follows football or comic books has heard of Glenville.

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« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2018, 02:35:04 PM »
Tons of renders of the new mixed-use building at 1400 East 105th Street.

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2018/04062018/index.php










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« Reply #45 on: April 03, 2018, 03:07:56 PM »
^ there is some great homes in the area around East Blvd and Parkgate.  There are a few nice intact streets there.

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« Reply #46 on: April 03, 2018, 03:15:11 PM »
I have to mention again how great this project looks.  It seems to be designed well and fits the urban form well.  Mayor Jackson deserves credit for deploying these neighborhood funds properly.  Aim at communities in need that are bordering stronger areas and build form there.  Maybe they can deploy the next round of funding to Buckeye Road near Shaker Square.

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« Reply #47 on: April 03, 2018, 03:54:40 PM »
^^^I'm gonna be that guy for the second time in a week: none of those locations is in Glenville...which, as the city defines it, is only the stuff east of Rockefeller Park.

I love this new project, but kind of bummed to see the old gas station at the NW corner of 105th and Ashbury get knocked down for a park. It's got nifty art deco or midcentry lines (a bit unclear) and I'd imagine would be fairly easy to convert to a bare bones incubator retail space, which sounds like part of this development's mission.

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« Reply #49 on: April 04, 2018, 12:43:08 AM »
^^^I'm gonna be that guy for the second time in a week: none of those locations is in Glenville...which, as the city defines it, is only the stuff east of Rockefeller Park.

I love this new project, but kind of bummed to see the old gas station at the NW corner of 105th and Ashbury get knocked down for a park. It's got nifty art deco or midcentry lines (a bit unclear) and I'd imagine would be fairly easy to convert to a bare bones incubator retail space, which sounds like part of this development's mission.

Even if it's not when you cross 105th and Superior going towards St.Clair you can go down streets like North and South Blvd, and see the huge homes that still exist. Glenville also still has a decent amount of brick Row houses, walkups, Tri/Quadplex homes.

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« Reply #50 on: April 04, 2018, 01:55:52 AM »
^  First Phase of Neighborhood Transformation Initiative:
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Re: Glenville | Circle North Development
« Reply #51 on: April 04, 2018, 09:50:26 AM »
NTI announcement...


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Re: Glenville | Circle North Development
« Reply #52 on: April 04, 2018, 09:55:38 AM »
Glenville is still a treasure in many ways...

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5194676,-81.6200958,3a,75y,200.89h,83.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqJXBYMZ8uiG7A9h1raJRrQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656


https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5202845,-81.6214683,3a,75y,36.91h,115.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sihbEZdqSj0A0BipdzPoCwQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5222188,-81.6247393,3a,75y,41.07h,85.3t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sH0U3RxlQLG_ts--ZVROxjQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DH0U3RxlQLG_ts--ZVROxjQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.849754%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5213186,-81.6231953,3a,75y,27.46h,96.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKivThkBr7GQFhrb2jU2sFQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I'm going to be annoying and add some links because I am all about Glenville.

Even a lot of the more typical interior streets are in solid shape.

https://goo.gl/maps/CKWfK3gQ2sj

https://goo.gl/maps/AaJYk95ko7C2

https://goo.gl/maps/U1ZZbuqeRPH2

https://goo.gl/maps/EDyUHhk2yZD2

https://goo.gl/maps/mAnhehCBqBq

As mentioned above, the area around Parkgate and East Blvd is also exceptional.

https://goo.gl/maps/vn2nXEiZr9E2

https://goo.gl/maps/djLrUAL7qYU2

https://goo.gl/maps/66JXvQdijKs

There are definitely some more emptied-out blocks on the fringes, especially along Forest Hills and Pattison parks. However, you can tell that there is a solid community in Glenville and a lot of people care about their properties. I get really uncomfortable with top-down, market-driven rebranding because it runs a strong risk of erasing communities for the purpose of achieving something that outsiders feel is more palatable.


I think the E105th project is good, though. I'm happy to see something going in behind those exceptional apartments along East Blvd. They feel very exposed with their backs opening on to a giant vacant lot. I'll agree with StapHanger that I'd have loved to see that gas station building incorporated and repurposed.

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Re: Glenville | Circle North Development
« Reply #53 on: April 04, 2018, 10:09:05 AM »
Glenville is a huge area. There’s enough room for everyone; black, white, rich, poor, etc. This idea that a few new projects are going to overwhelm the intact residents and their current way of life is a little dramatic. I say this in reference to what’s being said here and what I’ve heard from stakeholders in the area.
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« Reply #54 on: April 04, 2018, 10:21:04 AM »
Glenville is still a treasure in many ways...

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5194676,-81.6200958,3a,75y,200.89h,83.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqJXBYMZ8uiG7A9h1raJRrQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656


https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5202845,-81.6214683,3a,75y,36.91h,115.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sihbEZdqSj0A0BipdzPoCwQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5222188,-81.6247393,3a,75y,41.07h,85.3t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sH0U3RxlQLG_ts--ZVROxjQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DH0U3RxlQLG_ts--ZVROxjQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.849754%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5213186,-81.6231953,3a,75y,27.46h,96.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKivThkBr7GQFhrb2jU2sFQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I'm going to be annoying and add some links because I am all about Glenville.

Even a lot of the more typical interior streets are in solid shape.

https://goo.gl/maps/CKWfK3gQ2sj

https://goo.gl/maps/AaJYk95ko7C2

https://goo.gl/maps/U1ZZbuqeRPH2

https://goo.gl/maps/EDyUHhk2yZD2

https://goo.gl/maps/mAnhehCBqBq

As mentioned above, the area around Parkgate and East Blvd is also exceptional.

https://goo.gl/maps/vn2nXEiZr9E2

https://goo.gl/maps/djLrUAL7qYU2

https://goo.gl/maps/66JXvQdijKs

There are definitely some more emptied-out blocks on the fringes, especially along Forest Hills and Pattison parks. However, you can tell that there is a solid community in Glenville and a lot of people care about their properties. I get really uncomfortable with top-down, market-driven rebranding because it runs a strong risk of erasing communities for the purpose of achieving something that outsiders feel is more palatable.


I think the E105th project is good, though. I'm happy to see something going in behind those exceptional apartments along East Blvd. They feel very exposed with their backs opening on to a giant vacant lot. I'll agree with StapHanger that I'd have loved to see that gas station building incorporated and repurposed.

Thanks for those photos.  we only seem to hear negatives when people talk about Glenville.  But those streets look great.  I just think that predominately black neighborhoods seem to always get overlooked and ignored when talking about urban living.

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Re: Glenville | Circle North Development
« Reply #55 on: April 04, 2018, 04:11:18 PM »
Glenville is still a treasure in many ways...

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5194676,-81.6200958,3a,75y,200.89h,83.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqJXBYMZ8uiG7A9h1raJRrQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656


https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5202845,-81.6214683,3a,75y,36.91h,115.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sihbEZdqSj0A0BipdzPoCwQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5222188,-81.6247393,3a,75y,41.07h,85.3t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sH0U3RxlQLG_ts--ZVROxjQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DH0U3RxlQLG_ts--ZVROxjQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D69.849754%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5213186,-81.6231953,3a,75y,27.46h,96.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKivThkBr7GQFhrb2jU2sFQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I'm going to be annoying and add some links because I am all about Glenville.

Even a lot of the more typical interior streets are in solid shape.

https://goo.gl/maps/CKWfK3gQ2sj

https://goo.gl/maps/AaJYk95ko7C2

https://goo.gl/maps/U1ZZbuqeRPH2

https://goo.gl/maps/EDyUHhk2yZD2

https://goo.gl/maps/mAnhehCBqBq

As mentioned above, the area around Parkgate and East Blvd is also exceptional.

https://goo.gl/maps/vn2nXEiZr9E2

https://goo.gl/maps/djLrUAL7qYU2

https://goo.gl/maps/66JXvQdijKs

There are definitely some more emptied-out blocks on the fringes, especially along Forest Hills and Pattison parks. However, you can tell that there is a solid community in Glenville and a lot of people care about their properties. I get really uncomfortable with top-down, market-driven rebranding because it runs a strong risk of erasing communities for the purpose of achieving something that outsiders feel is more palatable.


I think the E105th project is good, though. I'm happy to see something going in behind those exceptional apartments along East Blvd. They feel very exposed with their backs opening on to a giant vacant lot. I'll agree with StapHanger that I'd have loved to see that gas station building incorporated and repurposed.
Greenlawn was always a strange looking street to me due to the fact that it has basically ZERO trees.

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« Reply #56 on: May 02, 2018, 02:03:44 PM »
http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2018/05042018/index.php

May 4, 2018 agenda

ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS

1. Ordinance No. 495-18(Ward 9/Councilmember Conwell): Authorizing the Director of Economic Development to enter into a development agreement with The Finch Group, or its designee, to assist with the financial feasibility of a mixed-use development serving as a starting point to connect Uptown and the Historic Wade Park to Circle North and the rest of the Glenville neighborhood, as part of the Neighborhood Transformation Initiative; and authorizing the Commissioner of Purchases and Supplies to sell City-owned property no longer needed for public use located at the project site to the Finch Group, or its designee, for purposes of redevelopment. 

2. Ordinance No. 96-18(Ward 9/Councilmember Conwell): Authorizing the Director of Economic Development to enter into a Tax Increment Financing Agreement with The Finch Group, or its designee, to assist with the financial feasibility of a mixed-use development serving as a starting point to connect Uptown and the Historic Wade Park to Circle North and the rest of the Glenville neighborhood, as part of the Neighborhood Transformation Initiative; to provide for payments to the Cleveland City School District; and to declare certain improvements to real property to be a public purpose. 
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« Reply #57 on: May 17, 2018, 06:20:31 PM »
Great news!

Six Cleveland projects win federal tax credits for affordable housing
http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2018/05/six_cleveland_projects_win_fed.html#
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« Reply #58 on: May 17, 2018, 10:52:11 PM »
^ I just hope that the new construction projects look good and contain proper urban form instead of being slapped together and put up because it's affordable housing. Great news none the less.

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