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Author Topic: The Trump Presidency  (Read 27992 times)

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3690 on: February 15, 2017, 01:25:30 PM »
Lot's of pro-lifers who are neither racist or bigoted voted for Trump because they are largely single issue voters.  That's one example.  I would also assume a lot of people who vote with their wallet voted for Trump in hopes that he would lower their taxes.  That's another.  I think you need to differentiate between the people who supported Trump and the people who voted for Trump.  The number who actually supported him is not very high..... maybe only half of the number that ended up voting for him.

One thing that sets Trump apart from Obama, Bush, and other alleged polarizing Presidents is dislike of him as a person.  I certainly don't like him as a person.  I think he is an a-hole with very questionable moral character.  And, yes, I do feel that is very important.  So my disagreements with him go well beyond policy.  I suspect that many of his 'supporters' didn't pay much attention at all to his actually policy proposals because they liked him as a person.  He is their type of guy.  They identify with him, his style, his rhetoric, etc.  He is the type of person they look up to and admire.  Obama and Bush were very different.  Most rational disagreements with them stemmed from policy.  They were both likeable guys to those people who did not have a predisposition to dislike them.

I'm not sure if single-issue voters are all that rational.  And I can't be the only one who sees the irony in being "pro-life" while supporting a guy that trashes millions of living people under a party that would love nothing more than to cut the benefits of those like single parents and the poor.
Also, I think this is attempting to split hairs.  If you voted for him, you support him.  You may not agree with everything, but you support him.  And there seems to be a suggestion that there is no line that goes too far- that as long as you say you're voting for your own self-interests economically, it doesn't matter what the candidate supports or believes otherwise.  I couldn't disagree with that more, and I think that's a prime example of how you end up with demagogues in power, because too many people are too selfish, too lazy or too ignorant (or all 3) to look at the bigger picture.  I know for a lot of people, it is difficult to place all Trump voters under the same umbrella, often because those voters include friends and family, but this isn't a situation of a candidate that promised a lot of good, positive changes and was reasonable during the election only to become a bigoted psycho later on.  Trump was an extremist from Day 1.  There have been no surprises at all regarding his behavior or decisions as president.  In fact, I am struggling to find one tangible positive that has come about specifically because he won, or in the short time he's been in office.  He promised us so much winning, we'd get tired of it, and instead it's been a 'Total disaster!' to use his favorite phrase.  All of his voters own this.  Not just those who fully agreed with his racism. 
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3691 on: February 15, 2017, 01:29:35 PM »
Classic Trumpists -- prejudging a situation and wishing the worst on those affected, only to find out they're acting against their own interests....

Trump supporters hope Californians will ‘drown’ in the Oroville Dam crisis – but all the counties in the area voted for him
http://thetab.com/us/2017/02/13/trump-supporters-hoping-californians-drown-oroville-dam-crisis-60483
America will never be destroyed from the outside. -- Abraham Lincoln.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3692 on: February 15, 2017, 01:32:41 PM »
If someone doesn't take a stand on a one or two state solution,  is that leading from the front or leading from behind?  Asking for a friend.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3693 on: February 15, 2017, 01:33:57 PM »
Classic Trumpists -- prejudging a situation and wishing the worst on those affected, only to find out they're acting against their own interests....

Trump supporters hope Californians will ‘drown’ in the Oroville Dam crisis – but all the counties in the area voted for him
http://thetab.com/us/2017/02/13/trump-supporters-hoping-californians-drown-oroville-dam-crisis-60483

But did they vote for their wallets? 

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3694 on: February 15, 2017, 01:36:23 PM »
Did Trump actually believe that he would be the first president in history not to be the subject of criticism or even satire?
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3695 on: February 15, 2017, 01:42:58 PM »
GOP senators are asking president to withdraw Puzder's nomination.   I'm sure this is the media's fault.  The buck stops over there.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3696 on: February 15, 2017, 01:50:21 PM »
^The real Puzder or PUZDER, the metaphor?

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3697 on: February 15, 2017, 02:13:10 PM »
The administration is just having some minor kinks. 

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3698 on: February 15, 2017, 02:15:38 PM »
^He's taking a lot of losses.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3699 on: February 15, 2017, 02:16:45 PM »
Are you tired of all the winning yet?

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3700 on: February 15, 2017, 02:16:45 PM »
^^exactly! Like every incoming administration has. Clinton had one of the rockiest transitions of power in recent memory. Let's not blow up every little glitch like it's some constitutional crisis!

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3701 on: February 15, 2017, 02:18:04 PM »
^This is beyond rocky...
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3702 on: February 15, 2017, 02:19:15 PM »
It's just some light treason.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3703 on: February 15, 2017, 02:38:59 PM »
Has the president commented on why a Russian ship is off the coast of Connecticut or is he too busy on Twitter. 

#loserpresident

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3704 on: February 15, 2017, 02:41:47 PM »
^That is not as uncommon as one might think.  The timing certainly is curious.  The bigger issue IMHO is the cruise missile test, in violation of treaty.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3705 on: February 15, 2017, 02:43:26 PM »
^ It is apparently outfitted with spying equipment to intercept signals according to Eichenwald's Tweet.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3706 on: February 15, 2017, 02:46:16 PM »
Republican representatives are circling the wagons to protect their dear leader from these awful, awful leaks.
  I can't believe someone would leak that Flynn lied to Pence. I hope they get that person.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3707 on: February 15, 2017, 02:48:50 PM »
Leaks are only OK when you get them by colluding with Russia. 

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3708 on: February 15, 2017, 02:53:39 PM »
Yesterday's WH press briefing was funny.  When it got too hot, Spicer used the "phone-a-friend" option to take 'softball' questions via Skype.  Today, in his joint press conference with Netanyahu, Trump took questions from Fox News, Daily Caller, NewYork Post, Fox Business, Christian Broadcasting Network, and Townhall.

Cowards. 

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3709 on: February 15, 2017, 02:57:05 PM »
He actually only took questions today from CBN and Townhall.   He's needs a safe space away from the media that asks him hard questions.  What a beta snowflake.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3710 on: February 15, 2017, 03:17:51 PM »
Damn straight! A complete no-brainer. America has got to stop funding other countries' militaries without proper compensation, even beyond NATO. This nonsense has gone long enough. There is a reason our military budget is $600 billion and Germany's is something like $40 billion.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pentagon-chief-says-nato-members-must-boost-defense-spending/ar-AAmY7hS?li=BBnb7Kz

Pentagon chief says NATO members must boost defense spending


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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3711 on: February 15, 2017, 03:21:54 PM »
In response to PTD's latest twitter hissy-fit, Nate Silver just NAILED it. 

"It can be 'fake news' or illegal leaks of classified information but it can't really be both"

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3712 on: February 15, 2017, 03:44:06 PM »
On other Trump issues, even the National Review just came out against Puzder as Labor Secretary.  He might skate by on another 50-50 vote, but I have to imagine that this one has lost enough momentum that it's going to stall out completely.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444921/andrew-puzder-labor-secretary-nominee-oppose-confirmation-trump

Of course, NR's problem with Puzder is very different than liberals', but it's an argument that will cut closer to Trump's own base of support: Puzder is from the open-borders-because-it's-good-for-business wing of the Republican Party, which is obviously not exactly going to make him a reliable carrier of Trump's messaging in that arena.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3713 on: February 15, 2017, 03:48:04 PM »
^ Puzder's nomination is dead.  Trump's extreme vetting in action.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3714 on: February 15, 2017, 03:51:33 PM »
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3715 on: February 15, 2017, 03:53:05 PM »
^^^^ When I look at Nate Silver I don't get the impression he's ever nailed anything in his life. However, Julian Assange did just nail it on Twitter:

"Amazing battle for dominance is playing out between the elected US govt & the IC who consider themselves to be the 'permanent government'."

There is definitely a contingent working against Trump, from the inside. I have faith that President Trump will prevail over this corruption.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3716 on: February 15, 2017, 03:56:16 PM »
^ Actually Eichenwald has nailed it again.

the United States is now in a situation that may be unprecedented—where European governments know more about what is going on in the executive branch than any elected American official. To date, the Republican-controlled Congress has declined to conduct hearings to investigate the links between Trump’s overseas business partners and foreign governments, or the activities between Russia and officials in the Trump campaign and administration—the very areas being examined by the intelligence services of at least two American allies.

Congress should do its job.  Jason "the Weasel" Chaffetz is an embarrassment.

http://www.newsweek.com/allies-intercept-russia-trump-adviser-communications-557283

Drip drip drip
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3717 on: February 15, 2017, 04:26:35 PM »
There is definitely a contingent working against Trump, from the inside. I have faith that Dear Leader President Trump will prevail over this corruption.

FTFY

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3718 on: February 15, 2017, 04:31:21 PM »
Puzder pulls out

Andrew Puzder withdrew his nomination Wednesday to be secretary of labor after Senate Republicans informed the White House that he lacks the votes to be confirmed.

GOP senators advised the White House that Puzder could not pass through the narrowly-divided Senate, sources said, and shortly thereafter the White House confirmed his intention to pull out.


http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/senate-republicans-tell-white-house-to-withdraw-puzder-nomination-235062

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #3719 on: February 15, 2017, 04:43:10 PM »
Ram breaks his silence only to (yet again) ignore Flynn and the shady Russian connections, and simply blame the leakers instead of holding Trump accountable. Sad!