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Re: Walkable communities - the most beneficial travel mode?
« Reply #480 on: September 12, 2017, 04:35:17 PM »
Why just building transit isn't enough: the way the city is designed will determine whether it is a real choice. First we shape our streets, then the streets shape us....

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« Reply #481 on: October 03, 2017, 05:12:02 PM »
Pedestrians: "Remove your headphones and leave your phone alone while crossing the road." - @icbc. Motorists, carry on. #SafetyTheatre

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« Reply #482 on: November 16, 2017, 07:10:25 AM »
‘Being a tad distracted is the very essence of walking. You walk around and notice people, sights, sounds, and get "distracted" by the world. I don't want to live in a world of "focused" pedestrians.’ https://t.co/TL0eC8AkAC
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« Reply #483 on: November 16, 2017, 10:09:00 PM »
‘Being a tad distracted is the very essence of walking. You walk around and notice people, sights, sounds, and get "distracted" by the world. I don't want to live in a world of "focused" pedestrians.’ https://t.co/TL0eC8AkAC

On the sidewalk, perhaps.   Not crossing or wandering into the street.

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« Reply #484 on: November 16, 2017, 10:47:59 PM »
A crosswalk is an extension of the sidewalk.
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Re: Walkable communities - the most beneficial travel mode?
« Reply #485 on: November 17, 2017, 12:38:12 AM »
A crosswalk is an extension of the sidewalk.

Unless it is a controlled (traffic light) intersection and the light is red.

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« Reply #486 on: November 17, 2017, 05:41:27 AM »
People walking don't pose the serious threat though. If someone is walking and bumps into another person, no real harm done, they just apologize. Same can't be said for an altercation with a pedestrian and an Autobot.  The choice to use a car is what increases the likely hood of injury in this situation. Our society is out of whack.

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« Reply #487 on: November 26, 2017, 12:24:11 PM »
People walking don't pose the serious threat though. If someone is walking and bumps into another person, no real harm done, they just apologize. Same can't be said for an altercation with a pedestrian and an Autobot.  The choice to use a car is what increases the likely hood of injury in this situation. Our society is out of whack.

I really don't see how we could have a society as large as ours with our degree of individual liberty without private long range transportation.  So people are going to use cars. 

Besides, I can attest that person to person collisions can indeed blow up into more. 

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Re: Walkable communities - the most beneficial travel mode?
« Reply #488 on: November 26, 2017, 12:33:07 PM »
my only wish is that they pass a law like this in NYC. Although it doesn't go far enough and extend to sidewalks >:( (and only a fine? This should require jail time, or at least a day in stocks)

Reading This While Walking? In Honolulu, It Could Cost You
By TANYA MOHN
OCT. 23, 2017

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/23/business/honolulu-walking-and-texting-fine.html

"You see them everywhere: people walking with their eyes glued to their mobile phone screens on busy streets. But walking and texting can be dangerous — and cities in the United States and Europe have begun to do something about it.

Honolulu has passed a law, which will take effect Wednesday, that allows the police to fine pedestrians up to $35 for viewing their electronic devices while crossing streets in the city and surrounding county. Honolulu is thought to be the first major city to enact such a ban."


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Re: Walkable communities - the most beneficial travel mode?
« Reply #489 on: November 26, 2017, 02:59:43 PM »
my only wish is that they pass a law like this in NYC. Although it doesn't go far enough and extend to sidewalks >:( (and only a fine? This should require jail time, or at least a day in stocks)


Why? Because America, which already leads the OEDC countries in imprisoned people, could always use more....

If someone is walking in a marked crosswalk, a motorist must yield to them. Period.
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« Reply #490 on: November 26, 2017, 08:49:58 PM »
People walking don't pose the serious threat though. If someone is walking and bumps into another person, no real harm done, they just apologize. Same can't be said for an altercation with a pedestrian and an Autobot.  The choice to use a car is what increases the likely hood of injury in this situation. Our society is out of whack.

I really don't see how we could have a society as large as ours with our degree of individual liberty without private long range transportation.  So people are going to use cars. 

Besides, I can attest that person to person collisions can indeed blow up into more. 


P.J. O'Roruke had a short column in this month's Car & Driver lamenting how driving isn't freedom anymore due to too much volume on almost all roads near anywhere remotely close to any population center and that you could even tell it during the O.J. chase over 23 years ago. This volume was indeed caused partially by population increase, but mostly by sprawl.

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« Reply #491 on: November 27, 2017, 07:37:14 AM »
Yep, the rate of growth of vehicle-miles traveled has far outpaced the population growth rate for many decades.
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« Reply #492 on: November 27, 2017, 12:11:52 PM »
People walking don't pose the serious threat though. If someone is walking and bumps into another person, no real harm done, they just apologize. Same can't be said for an altercation with a pedestrian and an Autobot.  The choice to use a car is what increases the likely hood of injury in this situation. Our society is out of whack.

I really don't see how we could have a society as large as ours with our degree of individual liberty without private long range transportation.  So people are going to use cars. 

Besides, I can attest that person to person collisions can indeed blow up into more. 


I won’t disagree with your statement, but I also think it’s not too much to ask for people using vehicles to alter their behavior when they leave the "car exclusive", highways and expressways and enter an area that people exist.  Putting the blame on walkers for their injuries or death by getting hit by a vehicle sets a precedent. I think it gives confirmation to the autos that they have reign over this land and theses pedestrians will be taken care of with fines, criminal designation and pushed back out of the way for the vehicles.

I have been in other societies around the world where there are no walk signals and/or no traffic lights at all. Through my North American lenses I think how the hell does this even work, some of these roads are three lanes, both directions. How do people get across the road? By example I learned… you just walk and the vehicles stop. I thought, surly the people in the cars are irate, cursing at the people walking out in front of them, getting in their way. Then when you have the chance to be on the other side of the glass and steel, you realize they could care less about stopping, it is just a normal process of driving for them. 

I think this works for these people because everyone is a walker at some point during the day in these places. They are constantly reminded what it’s like. On the other hand I think we live in a society where people are not exposed to real walking (walking through the parking lot to the store entrance or taking the dog for lap around the cud sac doesn’t count) on a regular basis. I think these new laws we are seeing represent this point exactly. 

*For clarification, i'm not advocating getting rid of traffic/pedestrian signalling here! 


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Re: Walkable communities - the most beneficial travel mode?
« Reply #493 on: November 27, 2017, 12:37:37 PM »
Oh yes, these days making the average American hit their brakes is some kind of insult.

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« Reply #494 on: November 27, 2017, 02:00:22 PM »
Oh yes, these days making the average American hit their brakes is some kind of insult.

And if a pedestrian is in their way, they have every right to run them over considering the vehicle is bigger than a person. It's the bully mentality that's taken over America.

BTW, my Ukrainian wife is stunned that the term "pedestrian" even exists. "They're people," she says in a brilliant expression of clarity and humanity often missing in the discussion about people walking.
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Re: Walkable communities - the most beneficial travel mode?
« Reply #495 on: November 27, 2017, 03:20:34 PM »
Even on the most "walkable" streets in Ohio, I do not make use of unmarked crosswalks (every corner technically has a crosswalk unless otherwise marked), unless the street is 100% clear of vehicular traffic. It's just not worth having someone want to get into a fistfight with you, or worse get hit because the motorist is being criminally negligent. Call me crazy, but it seems like something is deeply wrong with the culture when we're operating on this might-makes-right, extralegal rule which is contrary to the written law.
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« Reply #496 on: November 27, 2017, 05:51:48 PM »
My wife moved to Cleveland to be with me and she is amazed at how many people in Cleveland don't use crosswalks and will run (often with their children) through a busy street just to avoid walking 150' to a crosswalk.....

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« Reply #497 on: November 28, 2017, 09:06:20 AM »
My wife moved to Cleveland to be with me and she is amazed at how many people in Cleveland don't use crosswalks and will run (often with their children) through a busy street just to avoid walking 150' to a crosswalk.....

Speculating a bit here, but if motorists yielded to people walking when they were supposed to (e.g. crossing at an intersection), it would be more convenient to cross legally and there would be less incentive to run across busy lanes of traffic. As things are, even at marked crosswalks it seems like motorists only stop when there is a traffic light.

Most of the "jaywalking" I see in my neighborhood is actually motorists parking, then jaywalking to get to the restaurant or house or whatever they were driving to.

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« Reply #498 on: November 28, 2017, 10:38:02 AM »
Sometimes it feels safer to cross mid-block.  Walk signals often tell pedestrians to go at the same time they tell vehicles to turn through the crosswalk, and sometimes they just aren't looking.  This is only a problem at intersections; mid-block traffic is more predictable due to fewer variables. 

On the other hand we have intersections with left turn arrows, where there's no walk signal until the full green, but pedestrians consistently choose to jaywalk at the worst possible time.

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Re: Walkable communities - the most beneficial travel mode?
« Reply #499 on: November 28, 2017, 02:02:26 PM »
The problem with North America is it's a complete "us versus them" mentality on both sides. Drivers vs. Bikers vs. Pedestrians/Pedestrian vs. Bikers vs. Drivers. Most other countries have a constructive attitude towards this and all parties respect traffic laws for the most part.

I also wouldn't lump bikers and walkers together. Here in the DC area bikers are extremely aggressive towards pedestrians, particularly the lycra wearing types that don't want any child or elderly person on a paved path. It's Tour de France 24/7 on any paved surface. Much like it's the Indy 500 on city streets with most Ohio drivers.


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« Reply #500 on: December 12, 2017, 02:47:47 PM »
Another reminder that it's all on motorists to give way to people walking. Blaming pedestrians has to stop. Motorists must stop for all pedestrians in all crosswalks, regardless of what the traffic signal says or what pedestrians are doing.....

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« Reply #501 on: December 14, 2017, 01:09:36 PM »
RIP, "Pedestrian Pete," an 81-year-old former city councilman who filmed himself walking around Houston being (rightfully) p!ssed off about how dangerous it was/is. http://urbanedge.blogs.rice.edu/2017/12/13/remembering-pedestrian-pete/#.WjEwVyOZN-U
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« Reply #502 on: January 25, 2018, 01:59:52 PM »
"Pedtextrians," "distracted walking," these are not good faith efforts to protect vulnerable people who are losing their lives.

It is simply a rhetorical device used to defect blame for their deaths.
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« Reply #503 on: March 06, 2018, 08:22:01 PM »
"Dear motorist, when you see the green light at the traffic lights, it is only to go straight; to turn the pedestrian has the right of way. When there is no traffic light, the pedestrian always has the right of way."

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« Reply #504 on: March 21, 2018, 11:00:23 PM »
This why crosswalks, pedestrian crossing signs, and yellow flashing lights aren't enough. https://t.co/PNyV8stejx
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