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Re: Hyperloop
« Reply #360 on: June 14, 2018, 10:41:21 PM »
Seoul has a similar system where you can drop your bags and get your boarding pass in the city, then get on a bus that takes you to the airport.

I believe Hong Kong allows you to go through security downtown and then get on a train that takes you to the airport’s secure area.

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Re: Hyperloop
« Reply #361 on: June 14, 2018, 10:54:26 PM »
High speed train so you can get to the airport sooner, then spend 30 minutes waiting in line for the TSA and dealing with flight delays.

It might actually be worthwhile if you could go through security and drop your bags in Downtown Chicago and then the train drops you off inside the secure area at O’Hare.


Also, there is a Metra line that serves O'Hare, but it drops off passengers in the long-term parking area.  You have to take a shuttle bus or the rail shuttle into the airport.  Meanwhile the blue line stop is a subway station right in the center of the main terminal cluster.  So you are many minutes closer to the security line if you take the blue line as opposed to Metra commuter rail. 

To be competitive with the existing Blue Line, Musk's tunnel needs to have a station more or less adjacent to the existing underground blue line tunnel.  The rendering provided by his paper company was somewhere out in the parking lot.  So yeah his "skates" might get to airport property faster than the existing blue line trains, but its passengers might barely beat it.

Let's hope that Musk's tiny tunnels can be converted to some sort of narrow gauge light rail after he defaults and the City of Chicago buys the tunnels off of him for $1.  The CTA has had plans to extend the blue line past O'Hare out into the suburbs.  If the airport express were built, it would make a ton of sense as an express bypass for those suburbs.   




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Re: Hyperloop
« Reply #362 on: June 15, 2018, 11:41:05 AM »
Seoul has a similar system where you can drop your bags and get your boarding pass in the city, then get on a bus that takes you to the airport.

NYC used to have exactly that. The Eastside and Westside Airline Terminals let you check in, drop your bags, ride a bus to the airport, and proceed directly to your gate.

On the subject of hyperloop, a Financial Times article today on the Chicago project hinted in passing that hyperloop has been moved to the back burner.

https://www.ft.com/content/24487aa2-6fa4-11e8-92d3-6c13e5c92914
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Re: Hyperloop
« Reply #363 on: June 15, 2018, 11:46:01 AM »
Hopefully the attachment works. 

It has been pointed out that this bored tunnel will irrationally follow the street grid instead of simply traveling in a straight line between DT Chicago and O'Hare.  So not only is length being added to the run...there will have to be multiple curves.  So this has raised the supicion that they're nervous about boring directly beneath homes and then getting sued when basements crack.  Well what happens the same thing happens under a public street?  Musk will find a way to saddle Chicago with the costs. 


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Re: Hyperloop
« Reply #364 on: June 20, 2018, 01:39:08 PM »
Firms with local smart-city offices picked for Hyperloop One feasibility study on Chicago-Columbus-Pittsburgh route



International engineering firms with Columbus satellites will lead feasibility and environmental impact studies for a proposed Virgin Hyperloop One route that would traverse Ohio, turning at the capital city on the way from Chicago to Pittsburgh.

The Mid-Ohio Regional Planning Commission said AECOM and WSP Global Inc. would be the lead consultants. The amount of the contract was not immediately announced, but MORPC earlier said the studies of the ultra-high-speed transportation mode would make up half of a $2.5 million Rapid-Speed Transportation Initiative, which will also look at high-speed passenger rail.

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Re: Hyperloop
« Reply #365 on: June 20, 2018, 03:04:04 PM »
Firms with local smart-city offices picked for Hyperloop One feasibility study on Chicago-Columbus-Pittsburgh route



International engineering firms with Columbus satellites will lead feasibility and environmental impact studies for a proposed Virgin Hyperloop One route that would traverse Ohio, turning at the capital city on the way from Chicago to Pittsburgh.

The Mid-Ohio Regional Planning Commission said AECOM and WSP Global Inc. would be the lead consultants. The amount of the contract was not immediately announced, but MORPC earlier said the studies of the ultra-high-speed transportation mode would make up half of a $2.5 million Rapid-Speed Transportation Initiative, which will also look at high-speed passenger rail.

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https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2018/06/20/firms-with-local-smart-city-offices-picked-for.html

Interesting, Branson is looking at Chicago to Columbus, Musk at Chicago to Cleveland, and Musk already has an in in Chicago.

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Re: Hyperloop
« Reply #366 on: June 20, 2018, 03:45:30 PM »
No, the Chicago project is not a vacuum tube.  It's just the "...Loop".  From O'Hare to the Loop via the Loop.  It needs to be a vacuum tube to be a HYPERloop. 






















































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Re: Hyperloop
« Reply #367 on: June 20, 2018, 07:24:50 PM »
More for Jake :)

Hyperloop One exec: 'I would bet on Columbus' getting one of first routes built



The proposed Midwest hyperloop route through Columbus is the most advanced of the five in the U.S. vying to attract Virgin Hyperloop One to build the ultra-high-speed new mode of transportation, a top executive said, because it took a "smart government" approach to complete an environmental impact study at the same time as a feasibility study.

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Re: Hyperloop
« Reply #368 on: June 20, 2018, 09:37:47 PM »
A hyperloop?  Or merely a loop? 

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Re: Hyperloop
« Reply #369 on: June 21, 2018, 10:05:15 AM »
Why does Columbus have to put up with this crap instead of building real economic-development-improving, city-fixing rail? There's always some damn distraction such as the '80s monorail plan or car sharing (didn't make it because it's private and has to maximize the wealth of the shareholders) being used as an excuse to not do the REAL thing.

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Re: Hyperloop
« Reply #370 on: June 21, 2018, 10:06:22 AM »
Why does Columbus have to put up with this crap instead of building real economic-development-improving, city-fixing rail? There's always some damn distraction such as the '80s monorail plan or car sharing (didn't make it because it's private and has to maximize the wealth of the shareholders) being used as an excuse to not do the REAL thing.

Don't feel bad.  This isn't a Columbus only thing.  Cleveland is good at this too. 

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« Reply #371 on: June 21, 2018, 10:54:30 AM »
I know it happens lots of places and has happened many times over the past 100+ years ("canals mean we don't need trains!") But Columbus might as well have three heads by this point in lacking rail.

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Re: Hyperloop
« Reply #372 on: June 21, 2018, 10:07:27 PM »
Why hyperloop will be more like Lyft than Amtrak – and why that's exciting for cities like Whitehall along the route



Hyperloop technology doesn't stop at mechanisms of propulsion – the idea is to revolutionize trip-planning and ticketing to create thousands of on-demand, nonstop trips for any point on the route.

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Re: Hyperloop
« Reply #373 on: June 26, 2018, 02:06:01 PM »
Here are a few reasons why betting Chicago's transportation future on an airport express, using hypothetical technology, at a wildly unrealistic projected cost, by a guy who hates transit, *might* be a bad idea. https://chi.streetsblog.org/2018/06/18/a-few-reasons-why-letting-elon-musk-build-the-ohare-express-is-still-a-bad-idea/
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Re: Hyperloop
« Reply #374 on: June 26, 2018, 02:41:31 PM »
It's amazing how zero supporters appear in the comments on these sorts of articles, but Musk's bullies are ubiquitous everywhere else.  I think I saw a headline by someone about six months ago complaining about getting attacked by the Musk swarm for merely questioning the almighty Elon Musk. 

Here's something pretty scary mentioned by someone in the comments:


"The owner of the system will have veto rights over "competing"
projects. Connecting the Brown Line to the Blue Line could be blocked.
Ashland BRT could be blocked. Improvements to the Antioch Metra line
(which stops at O'Hare) could be blocked."

This is a deal-breaker for me. Let him spend his own money and take all the risks but stay out of everything else.

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Re: Hyperloop
« Reply #375 on: June 26, 2018, 08:56:01 PM »
Yep. Scary and stupid. Wealthy bullies everywhere. Welcome to America, 2018.
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Re: Hyperloop
« Reply #376 on: June 26, 2018, 09:56:47 PM »
Crossrail will soon serve London's Heathrow Airport (which is poised to become the biggest in the world -- about 30% busier than O'Hare) and 10 giant trains per hour will link it with Paddington Station, in addition to local tube service. 



Not sure how Musk's followers can possibly argue with the speed, frequency, and flexibility of traditional urban rail service to London's main airport. 

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Re: Hyperloop
« Reply #377 on: June 27, 2018, 07:50:27 AM »
No, the Chicago project is not a vacuum tube.  It's just the "...Loop".  From O'Hare to the Loop via the Loop.  It needs to be a vacuum tube to be a HYPERloop. 


It's still an "in".