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Offline mbrady115

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Re: Cleveland: Nautica Development
« Reply #60 on: January 08, 2017, 11:20:13 AM »
There is a huge abandoned surface lot right across the street, the very LAST thing this area needs is another parking lot. The West Bank has to be at least 75% parking lots at this point. Too bad there are no public transit options on this side of the flats.

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Re: Cleveland: Nautica Development
« Reply #61 on: January 08, 2017, 01:20:55 PM »
On the Jacobs master plan it does show a parking structure next to the Downtown Storage bldg. But I doubt we will see that, will more than likely be a surface lot.  The proposed hotel could be one of the two I have highlighted. Although this site plan will probably look completely different as we go along.

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Re: Cleveland: Nautica Development
« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2017, 01:40:21 PM »
I'm sick of this.

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« Reply #63 on: January 08, 2017, 01:48:12 PM »
This is awful, but not much of a surprise. That Nautica master plan is some grade A 1970s garbage. Was hoping it was all just posturing, but I fear there really is an untapped market for the "parking garages are intimidating" hotel guest near downtown.

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Re: Cleveland: Nautica Development
« Reply #64 on: January 08, 2017, 01:55:44 PM »
Is this a cruel joke?

^If they are going to be intimidated by a parking garage then you better believe they would be absolutely horrified of a walk from that potential surface lot to the powerhouse at night. 

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Re: Cleveland: Nautica Development
« Reply #65 on: January 08, 2017, 02:09:02 PM »
At lunch a few weeks ago (Capital Grille... Delicious) and overheard a guy saying he had an office near Nautica talking about the project and that Jacobs was going hard after essentially every property in the area to build his vision, including that high rise residential building. Said he had effectively lined up nearly everything except this guy's building and a charity(?) of some sort that operates in the area and that they were likely never selling. Based on that this at be one of several things we hear about this plan soon.

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Re: Cleveland: Nautica Development
« Reply #66 on: January 08, 2017, 06:49:39 PM »
^ The only charities/non-profits I know of in this area are Stella Maris and the St Malachai Center. Both of those are much further up Washington though, near 25th. I couldn't see why they'd be interested in them though.

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Re: Cleveland: Nautica Development
« Reply #67 on: January 08, 2017, 10:50:01 PM »
That's the most awful thing I've seen proposed in this city in some time.

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Re: Cleveland: Nautica Development
« Reply #68 on: January 09, 2017, 01:35:43 AM »
Suburbanized forced open open-space parking lots brought to what should be a dense FWB area.  And, oh yeah, let's demolish 2320 Center Street, some of the last bit of character architecture and street presence density along the way.  While we want developers like K&D and Jacobs to develop downtown, it would be nice if they better understood building in an urban environment focusing on mixed uses, street presence and walkability.  Perhaps Jacobs should speak to MRN or Fairmount for pointers before they crank this stuff out there.

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Re: Cleveland: Nautica Development
« Reply #69 on: January 09, 2017, 11:57:15 AM »
Two good things we learn from this news in Crains is the new Nautica development has a pulse and the first piece could be a boutique hotel adjacent to the Powerhouse. Five brands are said to be interested. The bad is the destruction of a beautiful building for parking. So many vacant lots around there why create another one.

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170108/NEWS/170109856/nautica-expansion-picks-up-steam-with-building-buy

Man, this makes me sick...continuing to see the character of Cleveland destroyed.

As an absolute worst care scenario...why not turn the structure itself into parking?  Looks similar to a parking garage in Portland:

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5245262,-122.6822117,3a,59.7y,286h,109.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4L5AxGkC7wFnvjXbDX_z5g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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Re: Cleveland: Nautica Development
« Reply #70 on: January 10, 2017, 01:36:10 PM »
The people at Nautica are stuck in the past. This is ridiculous and shouldn't be allowed to go forward.

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Re: Cleveland: Nautica Development
« Reply #71 on: January 10, 2017, 03:48:13 PM »
I agree. This news isn't development, it's demolition.

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Re: Cleveland: Nautica Development
« Reply #72 on: September 15, 2018, 03:17:24 PM »
Here's some historical nuggets about the area in response to some discussion on the "Random Quick Questions" thread that probably belonged in this thread.  @KJP

A few pictures I took recently of the Nautica parking lots where the old railroad tracks/rights-of-way are clearly visible.  They are causing the pavement to crack.





And one of the jackknife bridge river crossing, and what remains of the tracks:


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Re: Cleveland: Nautica Development
« Reply #73 on: September 15, 2018, 03:33:17 PM »
Question: was this portion (NW of Nautica Stage) part of the city's original right of way? Why would the city have ever owned this portion? The city owned the canal right of way, right? My guess is that the railroad acquired the land across today's "Nautica" site at roughly the same time as it secured the lease of the canal ROW from the city. If so, the 2.5 miles +/- of former city-owned right of way begins where that last picture was taken.
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Re: Cleveland: Nautica Development
« Reply #74 on: September 15, 2018, 03:40:06 PM »
I think you are correct. Scroll to page 152 of this book (https://books.google.com/books?id=IT1NVT1vEwUC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false) and you will find the following. Start at the third paragraph.




The West Bank was owned by private developers as part of independent Ohio City. When the City leased the canal bed to the B&O, the B&O must have separately purchased this land... and built their bridges to connect it with the rest of the right-of-way.
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