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Re: Brooklyn: IKEA superstore
« Reply #120 on: August 20, 2017, 03:56:45 PM »
Cleveland CSA = 2.7 million
Columbus CSA = 2.1 million
Pittsburgh CSA = 2.6 million

Cleveland should have its own IKEA.

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« Reply #121 on: August 20, 2017, 04:23:01 PM »
I completely agree Cleveland should have it's own. IKEA clearly has some sort of commitment issue with the area. So when I hear these rumors of IKEA it's a lot of hot air to keep Cleveland people hopeful and sucker them to drive to the "Cleveland" stores in Pittsburgh and now Columbus. IKEA is becoming the ultimate Cleveland "troll".

With the growth of Amazon why pave over more land for a big box store that might not exist in a decade. IKEA is already making changes to counter Amazon and feeling the pressure. Maybe, Cleveland will get the last laugh in this charade after all.

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« Reply #122 on: August 20, 2017, 06:02:24 PM »
I completely agree Cleveland should have it's own. IKEA clearly has some sort of commitment issue with the area. So when I hear these rumors of IKEA it's a lot of hot air to keep Cleveland people hopeful and sucker them to drive to the "Cleveland" stores in Pittsburgh and now Columbus. IKEA is becoming the ultimate Cleveland "troll".

With the growth of Amazon why pave over more land for a big box store that might not exist in a decade. IKEA is already making changes to counter Amazon and feeling the pressure. Maybe, Cleveland will get the last laugh in this charade after all.

IKEA seemed pretty committed on the Brooklyn site - purchase agreement and all - until the Army Corps stepped in and screamed "wetlands."




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Re: Brooklyn: IKEA superstore
« Reply #123 on: August 20, 2017, 06:05:25 PM »
I completely agree Cleveland should have it's own. IKEA clearly has some sort of commitment issue with the area. So when I hear these rumors of IKEA it's a lot of hot air to keep Cleveland people hopeful and sucker them to drive to the "Cleveland" stores in Pittsburgh and now Columbus. IKEA is becoming the ultimate Cleveland "troll".

With the growth of Amazon why pave over more land for a big box store that might not exist in a decade. IKEA is already making changes to counter Amazon and feeling the pressure. Maybe, Cleveland will get the last laugh in this charade after all.

Eh, Amazon can't grow much more in that space... or in a lot of spaces really. It's the thrift stores that are the real problem for all furniture retailers. With the stigma removed from going to the thrift store a massive amount of money never gets spent since furniture is sold at 10 cents on the dollar at them as compared to new.
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Re: Brooklyn: IKEA superstore
« Reply #124 on: August 20, 2017, 07:23:09 PM »
I think the biggest issue is that Cuyahoga County, due to its big boom back in the day, is a built out county. There is probably very slim pickings in the county that can satisfy the needs of IKEA so easily and that probably is causing a big issue.

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Re: Brooklyn: IKEA superstore
« Reply #125 on: August 20, 2017, 10:03:24 PM »
I think the biggest issue is that Cuyahoga County, due to its big boom back in the day, is a built out county. There is probably very slim pickings in the county that can satisfy the needs of IKEA so easily and that probably is causing a big issue.

But does it have to be built in Cuyahoga County?  Both of Ohio's IKEAs are not in their primary county but in adjacent, growing suburban counties (Butler and Delaware).  Could it not be built in, say, Medina or Lorain County?  I'm not saying it should but Cuyahoga would be an anomaly in this state for the primary county to get one.
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Re: Brooklyn: IKEA superstore
« Reply #126 on: August 20, 2017, 10:48:55 PM »
I think the biggest issue is that Cuyahoga County, due to its big boom back in the day, is a built out county. There is probably very slim pickings in the county that can satisfy the needs of IKEA so easily and that probably is causing a big issue.

But does it have to be built in Cuyahoga County?  Both of Ohio's IKEAs are not in their primary county but in adjacent, growing suburban counties (Butler and Delaware).  Could it not be built in, say, Medina or Lorain County?  I'm not saying it should but Cuyahoga would be an anomaly in this state for the primary county to get one.

Every market is a bit different, of course - and while in Columbus, the IKEA sits north - though close to other major shopping areas - and in Cincinnati the IKEA also is north - but between two major metro areas - IKEA is on record in stating that they want a central location for the NEO location - likely taking the east/west Cleveland areas and the southern Akron/Canton markets into consideration. Here's what was said when Elyria pitched a deal after the Brooklyn deal fell through:

"Joseph Roth, an Ikea spokesman, said that while the company is still scouting out possible locations in the Cleveland area, it isn’t looking to go too far east or too far west, which makes Lorain County a “pretty unlikely” destination.

“We’re looking for something a little more central in the metropolitan area,” he said.

Cities from across the region, including from the counties east and west of Cuyahoga County have both reached out to the company since the announcement earlier this month that the Brooklyn land Ikea had been considering was out of the running."

http://www.chroniclet.com/news/2016/02/23/Ikea-rep-County-a-bit-too-far-west-for-NE-Ohio-store.html


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Re: Brooklyn: IKEA superstore
« Reply #127 on: August 20, 2017, 10:59:47 PM »
IKEA wants to be as close to the core as possible in Cleveland--even if the Pittsburgh and Detroit stores are out in the boonies.

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« Reply #128 on: August 21, 2017, 09:25:56 AM »
I think a lot of people are missing the point here.  I'm sure Ikea knows a store could be successful in Cleveland.  I imagine a great deal of their discussions revolve around, what will a store in Cleveland do to stores in Columbus or Pittsburgh.  Similar to Crate and Barrel.  Sure, it would succeed in Westlake, but would that cause the demise of Lyndhurst or vice versa. 

As far as opening in Medina, heck no.  That would kill either Columbus Ikea or Medina Ikea.  And Streetsboro, that would compete with Pittsburgh.  The last thing a retail entity wants to do is compete amongst themselves.  Too many retail Giants have destroyed they're companies by doing so. 

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« Reply #129 on: August 21, 2017, 09:40:09 AM »
Actions speak louder than words.

IKEA had a very limited financial investment in the Brooklyn site and bailed before the Army Corps even made a decision because they would have had to invest more.

Since that time IKEA built a store on Polaris that is situated to attract Cleveland shoppers. A location much like the one in Pittsburgh. Then they claim there are no good retail locations for a store in the metro. Meanwhile, markets half the size of Cleveland are getting IKEA's. It just feels like they have no respect for the NE Ohio retail market. IKEA built your new Cleveland store, it's in Columbus.

Cleveland is so overstaturated with retail that Amazon bought Randall Park yet IKEA can't find a site anywhere to suit their needs? Sounds like they are trying string loyal IKEA shoppers along.

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« Reply #130 on: August 21, 2017, 10:12:23 AM »
MOST people I know would not drive to columbus or pittsburgh or detroit for an ikea. Ikea would still stand to make more $ by opening a CLE store, even though it may impact Detroit and Pittsburgh (and Columbus if people go there) a tiny bit, as the net number of new customers would be profound. Stores make money on repeat customers. For the 3MM people in CLE, going to a store in CLE could be done every month or so. But those 3MM people, who may drive to Pitts/Detroit for a few items, will do that only when big purchases are needed---thus would bypass the frequent purchases of all the little stuff that Ikea sells plus all that frozen food by the cash registers. In other words, I assume IKEA knows all this, and thus a CLE store is still in their planning.

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« Reply #131 on: August 21, 2017, 10:19:40 AM »
According to IKEA, 1/3 of the sales at the Pittsburgh store are from NE Ohio. I'm sure Polaris was built in mind to attract more Cleveland shoppers as well. Why would IKEA canabalize these stores when they can sucker so many Clevelanders to drive? They're actions over the last 3 years are screaming this is what they want. There's no site in all of NE Ohio to build an IKEA? Meanwhile they're starting to build second stores in markets Cleveland's size? C'mon.

IKEA doesn't respect the market, why do Clevelanders invest in them? They are "trolling" Cleveland big time.

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« Reply #132 on: August 21, 2017, 10:21:02 AM »
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« Reply #133 on: August 22, 2017, 07:37:53 AM »
I have no desire to be the last city to get an Ikea anyway.  If this were 10 or 15 years ago, sure.  But much like Ohio's late arrival to casinos it's just too late to be a draw beyond our region in any significant way.  A Cleveland Ikea will not pull any new dollars from other metros, so what's the fuss, outside of Ikea loyalist upset at the drive to Pitt or Cbus. 

I think Ikea has peaked anyway, at least in the big box form.  I'd rather see us get the first Ikea "mini store on main street" in a development like FEB, or in a historic building in Lakewood or something.  THAT would be unique.  Here's an article on Ikea trying out this format in the UK, Norway and other EU locales:

http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/17/news/companies/ikea-store-london-click-and-collect/index.html

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« Reply #134 on: August 22, 2017, 06:27:35 PM »
It will keep money IN the CLE metro and introduce untold numbers to IKEA for the first time. I have spent thousands of $ at IKEA in the last 20 years on my now college senior's room, including hundreds of $last week in Pittsburgh (which was slammed...) - and many hundreds more $ on the way when taking her east to school/her first apartment this week. Wish I could have spent that in CLE,for easier transport/decisions, etc...  Pretty much every bit of bedroom furniture and bedding and rugs and storage and knick knacks for her 21 years has been from IKEA. There is a reason they are popular, whether it is everyone's thing or not. C'mon Garfield Heights.

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« Reply #135 on: August 22, 2017, 08:06:59 PM »
I have no desire to be the last city to get an Ikea anyway.  If this were 10 or 15 years ago, sure.  But much like Ohio's late arrival to casinos it's just too late to be a draw beyond our region in any significant way.  A Cleveland Ikea will not pull any new dollars from other metros, so what's the fuss, outside of Ikea loyalist upset at the drive to Pitt or Cbus. 

I think Ikea has peaked anyway, at least in the big box form.  I'd rather see us get the first Ikea "mini store on main street" in a development like FEB, or in a historic building in Lakewood or something.  THAT would be unique.  Here's an article on Ikea trying out this format in the UK, Norway and other EU locales:

http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/17/news/companies/ikea-store-london-click-and-collect/index.html


yeah, that would be fine. thats the next thing in retail anyway. the amazon locker shops are setting the pace. you just don't need a big box showroom for that kind of merch when nowadays you have 360 views of products online. you just need a place to pick up and return things. same for groceries. i'm not sold on that kind of concept for clothes though.

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« Reply #136 on: August 22, 2017, 08:26:27 PM »
^you can't buy furniture by looking online. You can't see the real finish quality or stability. Take IKEA, for example---some stuff looks great online---when I went to check it out--I didn't like it. I'd rather have a full-sized Ikea here than some smaller, lesser version.

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« Reply #137 on: August 22, 2017, 10:45:50 PM »
^ well you can probably buy most of what ikea offers by looking at it online, but yeah not all of it. if these new ikea mini stores are anything like amazon locker rooms, or maybe an even better example is actually bonobos (where they keep one of every item on hand), or something like that, you can get to see it in person or they can get it for you and you can take it back. i think that is the idea anyway. who knows if it works in the long run and how these changes in retail plays out?

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« Reply #138 on: August 31, 2017, 12:06:21 PM »
Recent court filings show something is stirring at Interstate 480 and Transportation Boulevard in Garfield Heights: https://t.co/TpnYsdftJn
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« Reply #139 on: September 14, 2017, 09:55:30 AM »
Here's Michelle's story from today about the Transportation Blvd/480 NW corner Bridgeview land finally approved to change hands - in as little as a week or so... Perhaps we'll hear more soon...

http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2017/09/bridgeview_crossing_site_in_ga.html

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« Reply #141 on: December 10, 2017, 09:32:03 AM »
Can we modify the title of this thread?

December 10, 2017 4:00 am
Stalled Garfield Heights project could get new life
By STAN BULLARD   

Grand plans are starting to circulate over and near the massive, long-stalled Bridgeview Crossing shopping center site on the northwest corner of Transportation Boulevard and I-480.

The Ohio Department of Transportation plans to award a contract for about $5 million for a contractor to next year widen the Transportation Avenue bridge over I-480 with an additional lane. Other measures will widen the street and exits from the highway to the bridge, as well as widening part of Transportation Avenue. The changes abut and will connect to a new road leading to the 70-plus acre site, where structural steel for stores in the 800,000-square-foot shopping center has been rusting since work stopped in 2008.

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http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20171210/news/145116/stalled-garfield-heights-project-could-get-new-life
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Re: Brooklyn: IKEA superstore
« Reply #142 on: December 10, 2017, 09:09:49 PM »
Can we modify the title of this thread?


I agree.  Also, can we lose the word "Superstore"?  It's unnecessary as all Ikeas are superstores. 

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« Reply #143 on: December 21, 2017, 11:18:01 AM »
I hate to bring a thread back to life when there's no news, but another Atlanta location was just announced this week for IKEA.  So I did a little research and it looks like a location will open in Milwaukee this coming Spring.  I think it might be safe to say IKEA may never come to Cleveland.  They have been looking for locations in Cleveland for 12 years, but nothing has come to fruition in that time.  There are multiple sites in Cleveland they can go after.  I wonder what makes Cleveland an outlier to IKEA?  A bad economy?  Declining population?  Just seems odd. 

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« Reply #144 on: December 21, 2017, 12:02:38 PM »
^Maybe just a larger percentage of people with good taste than other cities. ;)

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« Reply #145 on: December 21, 2017, 12:43:05 PM »
Can we modify the title of this thread?


I agree.  Also, can we lose the word "Superstore"?  It's unnecessary as all Ikeas are superstores. 


yeah agree, that term lol, but not all ikeas are superstores anymore though. it looks like there are about 50 small ikeas. also, click and collect pickups and occasional pop-ups.

who knows, but probably a lot more modifed types of outlets to come too, given the state of retail these days.

if would be great if some click and collects would at least open in the region, then you wouldn't have to drag the bigger stuff across the state to get it home.

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« Reply #146 on: December 21, 2017, 02:31:59 PM »
I hate to bring a thread back to life when there's no news, but another Atlanta location was just announced this week for IKEA.  So I did a little research and it looks like a location will open in Milwaukee this coming Spring.  I think it might be safe to say IKEA may never come to Cleveland.  They have been looking for locations in Cleveland for 12 years, but nothing has come to fruition in that time.  There are multiple sites in Cleveland they can go after.  I wonder what makes Cleveland an outlier to IKEA?  A bad economy?  Declining population?  Just seems odd. 
I really don't think it's how Ikea would perform in Cleveland, rather how would a Cleveland store effect Columbus and Pittsburgh.  With a Columbus store on the North end of that metro, and Pittsburgh store on the north end of that metro, that would put three stores in potentially too close proximity for their liking.  And who knows what those stores balance sheets look like.  Maybe they're not strong enough to take the blow of Clevelander's gaining their own location. 

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« Reply #147 on: December 21, 2017, 02:55:15 PM »
I hate to bring a thread back to life when there's no news, but another Atlanta location was just announced this week for IKEA.  So I did a little research and it looks like a location will open in Milwaukee this coming Spring.  I think it might be safe to say IKEA may never come to Cleveland.  They have been looking for locations in Cleveland for 12 years, but nothing has come to fruition in that time.  There are multiple sites in Cleveland they can go after.  I wonder what makes Cleveland an outlier to IKEA?  A bad economy?  Declining population?  Just seems odd. 
I really don't think it's how Ikea would perform in Cleveland, rather how would a Cleveland store effect Columbus and Pittsburgh.  With a Columbus store on the North end of that metro, and Pittsburgh store on the north end of that metro, that would put three stores in potentially too close proximity for their liking.  And who knows what those stores balance sheets look like.  Maybe they're not strong enough to take the blow of Clevelander's gaining their own location. 

I agree with MissinOhio. Something is very strange when it comes to Cleveland and Ikea. Sure, CLE would impact columbus, Pit, and Detroit sales, but the loss at those three stores would be made up significantly by the huge volume coming from the 3MM local shoppers in the 7-counties surrounding Cleveland. And besides the Columbus (especially) and PIT (i think) are fairly new, so CLE could have been built before those two cities. It is something. Population is stagnant, but still very large (3MM) and bigger than Pit or Columbus. and even though stagnant, spending power has steadily increased over 30 years. So what is it? Cleveland's big bad reputation? That Columbus got a store and Cleveland didn't is a real FU to Cleveland by Ikea. Is that fueling a lack of cooperation or just general disgust from Cleveland towards Ikea? Do some decision makers at Ikea have some personal issues/problems with the city that is affecting their business judgement? 

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« Reply #148 on: December 21, 2017, 03:06:36 PM »
I hate to bring a thread back to life when there's no news, but another Atlanta location was just announced this week for IKEA.  So I did a little research and it looks like a location will open in Milwaukee this coming Spring.  I think it might be safe to say IKEA may never come to Cleveland.  They have been looking for locations in Cleveland for 12 years, but nothing has come to fruition in that time.  There are multiple sites in Cleveland they can go after.  I wonder what makes Cleveland an outlier to IKEA?  A bad economy?  Declining population?  Just seems odd. 
I really don't think it's how Ikea would perform in Cleveland, rather how would a Cleveland store effect Columbus and Pittsburgh.  With a Columbus store on the North end of that metro, and Pittsburgh store on the north end of that metro, that would put three stores in potentially too close proximity for their liking.  And who knows what those stores balance sheets look like.  Maybe they're not strong enough to take the blow of Clevelander's gaining their own location. 

And I have thought about that as well, and you would think it would make some sense until you look at other areas.  I know people in the Youngstown area that go to Cleveland more than Pittsburgh just based off the fact that they are in Youngstown's northern suburbs.  Plus you have Canton, Akron, and basically the rest of NEO that could do their shopping at IKEA in Cleveland.  It's easier for people in Sandusky and Ashtabula to head to Cleveland as well.  The other areas I question are Columbus, Cincinnati, and now Indianapolis have their stores.  If you have three stores in those locations, Cleveland certainly makes a good point for having their own store.  I think Cleveland could easily be a draw for people in Erie, Youngstown and Sandusky.  Not to mention NEO's population has been pretty stable over the last couple decades, and NEO seems healthier than Western PA.  Just seems strange that so many other cities (and smaller, too) are getting IKEAs.  IKEA is not a major deal, but as a younger shopping, it's nice to have some options.

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« Reply #149 on: December 21, 2017, 03:08:51 PM »
I hate to bring a thread back to life when there's no news, but another Atlanta location was just announced this week for IKEA.  So I did a little research and it looks like a location will open in Milwaukee this coming Spring.  I think it might be safe to say IKEA may never come to Cleveland.  They have been looking for locations in Cleveland for 12 years, but nothing has come to fruition in that time.  There are multiple sites in Cleveland they can go after.  I wonder what makes Cleveland an outlier to IKEA?  A bad economy?  Declining population?  Just seems odd. 
I really don't think it's how Ikea would perform in Cleveland, rather how would a Cleveland store effect Columbus and Pittsburgh.  With a Columbus store on the North end of that metro, and Pittsburgh store on the north end of that metro, that would put three stores in potentially too close proximity for their liking.  And who knows what those stores balance sheets look like.  Maybe they're not strong enough to take the blow of Clevelander's gaining their own location. 

I agree with MissinOhio. Something is very strange when it comes to Cleveland and Ikea. Sure, CLE would impact columbus, Pit, and Detroit sales, but the loss at those three stores would be made up significantly by the huge volume coming from the 3MM local shoppers in the 7-counties surrounding Cleveland. And besides the Columbus (especially) and PIT (i think) are fairly new, so CLE could have been built before those two cities. It is something. Population is stagnant, but still very large (3MM) and bigger than Pit or Columbus. and even though stagnant, spending power has steadily increased over 30 years. So what is it? Cleveland's big bad reputation? That Columbus got a store and Cleveland didn't is a real FU to Cleveland by Ikea. Is that fueling a lack of cooperation or just general disgust from Cleveland towards Ikea? Do some decision makers at Ikea have some personal issues/problems with the city that is affecting their business judgement? 

Pittsburgh's IKEA has been around since the early 90s I believe.  It's located in Robinson Town Centre between the airport and downtown; really nothing special about its location.