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Offline jwulsin

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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #810 on: December 04, 2017, 02:21:23 PM »
Austin Berry just announced his retirement as a player... and will be joining FC Cincinnati on the technical staff.

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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #811 on: December 05, 2017, 04:18:18 PM »
Did they hit 15k already? I thought that was the goal by the time the season started.
I think you're right. According to this article, they're currently around 13k in season tickets sold (up from 11,739 last year), but they haven't yet opened sales up to the public... so that's just from existing season ticket holders and people who put down deposits last season. Starting tomorrow (Dec 6), they'll open it up to new season ticket buyers. Their goal is to sell 15k season tickets before the season starts.

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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #812 on: December 07, 2017, 09:29:24 AM »
Does anybody know anything about the potential/proposed name change to "Fussball Club Cincinnati"? Without any more details... my first reaction is: meh. Seems kitschy, as if they're trying too hard to be German, and even though our city has a history with immigrants from Germany, FC Cincinnati has no authentic claim to any German connection. Similarly, I cringe a bit every time I see people (usually in the media) write out "Futbol Club Cincinnati" since our club also has no authentic claim to any Spanish-speaking heritage.

As it is now, in marketing materials, the club basically never spells out what "FC" stands for, and I'd like it to stay that way because it it seems like a no-good-option scenario: football, futbol, and fussball all have their own problems. So, keeping it abbreviated as "FC" seems like the best option.


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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #813 on: December 07, 2017, 09:37:21 AM »
They aren't changing the name. They filed a trademark for Fussbal and Fußball for merchandise basically. I think they will always be "FC Cincinnati", but legally Futbol Club Cincinnati. I think Futbol is the worst of the three, though.

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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #814 on: December 07, 2017, 08:02:12 PM »
Agreed. I didn’t even realize they were using Futbol, which is clearly the lamest of the options. They should stick with FC, and maybe Football if they really must spell it out. Fußball Club Zinzinnati might be a fun alternate name to tie in during Oktoberfest merchandise or something like that.

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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #815 on: December 11, 2017, 11:45:51 PM »
Here’s what FC Cincinnati’s stadium could look like in the West End

As FC Cincinnati awaits a decision on its bid to become one of Major League Soccer’s two expansion clubs to begin play in 2020, a rendering has surfaced of one of its alternative stadium sites.

More below:
https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/12/11/here-s-what-fc-cincinnati-s-stadium-could-look.html


That skyline angle is all messed up!
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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #816 on: December 12, 2017, 07:12:09 AM »
^Nice, but concerning rendering... that's no street interaction + there's a ton of light pollution on the West End with no barrier, which IMO would kill the vibe of the neighborhood.
It'd be nice to see a sunken stadium.

Here's a new article from CityLab on the expansion process:

https://www.citylab.com/design/2017/12/are-soccer-arenas-the-new-football-stadiums/547598/?utm_source=SFFB

It nicely ties in the Crew drama too.

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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #817 on: December 12, 2017, 08:57:47 AM »
I don't get why the Business Courier ran this "story". The rendering is clearly not accurate. The Kroger building appears to be in there twice. The Great American tower is angled the wrong way. This was, I believe, an incredibly rushed job that has been around for most of 2017.

Also, the lights around the stadium would not be on the whole time, likely only during events. And if the buildings are so inaccurate, I can't imagine this is an accurate representation of lighting on the neighborhood.

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« Reply #818 on: December 12, 2017, 09:21:36 AM »
I don't get why the Business Courier ran this "story". The rendering is clearly not accurate. The Kroger building appears to be in there twice. The Great American tower is angled the wrong way. This was, I believe, an incredibly rushed job that has been around for most of 2017.

Also, the lights around the stadium would not be on the whole time, likely only during events. And if the buildings are so inaccurate, I can't imagine this is an accurate representation of lighting on the neighborhood.

I'm so perplexed by how that kind of stuff happens... I mean, if you're going to do a rush job, why not just take an existing aerial view and plop in your model. Whatever resulted in this Frankenstein version of downtown must have taken much more work than just merely using an existing photo.

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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #819 on: December 15, 2017, 10:28:10 AM »
here's a really good interview of Justin Hoyte, the current right back for FC Cincinnati

http://picklesmagazine.co.uk/2017/12/12/justin-hoyte-brits-abroad/

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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #820 on: December 15, 2017, 11:08:19 AM »
here's a really good interview of Justin Hoyte, the current right back for FC Cincinnati

http://picklesmagazine.co.uk/2017/12/12/justin-hoyte-brits-abroad/

Neat article. Always fun to hear an outsider's view on the city and the club:
-I don't know whether to laugh or cry that the author views Yard House as the "archetypical American restaurant"
-What is "Nippert Park"?

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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #821 on: December 19, 2017, 11:04:52 AM »
Nashville picked. Probably not good news for Cincinnati. But Washington Post MLS writer Steven Goff thinks it will be Cincy and Nashville. But who knows.

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« Reply #822 on: December 19, 2017, 02:59:51 PM »
Nashville picked. Probably not good news for Cincinnati. But Washington Post MLS writer Steven Goff thinks it will be Cincy and Nashville. But who knows.

I was reading about the MLS expansion and it seemed that Sacramento is a favorite, mainly due to its current team history and prior attempts to get an MLS team.  So I figured Sacramento is getting a team; then I see Nashville named today. 

Detroit has a huge metro area and its MLS team involves some big $$/NBA owners (Pistons & Cavs).  Detroit's Ford Field is the issue: can and will it attract Atlanta level crowds?  Seattle plays in an NFL stadium as well.  If MLS believes it can, then Detroit should get it, leaving Sacramento and Cinci out.  No stadium drama for Detroit.

Cinci can still pull this off though; there is still one announcement to go.
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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #823 on: December 19, 2017, 04:30:20 PM »
Yep. I don’t have much hope. I think we are in the outside looking in. MLS has no credibility at this point re: franchise awarding.

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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #824 on: December 20, 2017, 07:11:20 AM »
Announcement appears delayed to until after New Years. Rumors abound but appears MLS wants FCC to have a plan in place for the West End or Newport or possible come up with the funding gap for Oakley. Sacramento's problem seems to be lack of investors. So it's wait and see but national soccer reporters seem to think FCC right now has the edge on Sacramento if FCC can make MLS happy regarding a stadium.

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« Reply #825 on: December 20, 2017, 07:09:19 PM »
Announcement appears delayed to until after New Years. Rumors abound but appears MLS wants FCC to have a plan in place for the West End or Newport or possible come up with the funding gap for Oakley. Sacramento's problem seems to be lack of investors. So it's wait and see but national soccer reporters seem to think FCC right now has the edge on Sacramento if FCC can make MLS happy regarding a stadium.

Other posters here stated that MLS didn't care where the stadium actually ended-up; I thought that sounded fishy.  Didn't read anything about Sacramento's bid being in jeopardy due to lack of investors.  How did either cities' bid make it to the final selection with these major outstanding issues?

So, Detroit is out?  Deep pocket investors, Ford Field, and a huge metro population.

I thought maybe MLS announced Nashville (Tues-Weds) and would do the same for the 2nd city (Thurs-Friday).

How much more time is MLS going to give Cinci to get its stadium deal done? 

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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #826 on: December 20, 2017, 08:09:17 PM »
Announcement appears delayed to until after New Years. Rumors abound but appears MLS wants FCC to have a plan in place for the West End or Newport or possible come up with the funding gap for Oakley. Sacramento's problem seems to be lack of investors. So it's wait and see but national soccer reporters seem to think FCC right now has the edge on Sacramento if FCC can make MLS happy regarding a stadium.

Well to my recollection we still don’t know what physical items the “funding gap” in Oakley would be needed for, so it’s all pretty opaque to the outside observer.

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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #827 on: December 20, 2017, 10:44:51 PM »
Here is one angle I have not really seen raised and I don't know if it is really an issue at all, but MLS is primarily a Spring/Summer sport with a little in the fall.  Both Sacramento and Nashville do not have Major League Baseball teams while Cincy and Detroit do.  Not saying this is a big issue but wonder if it is something that is discussed?

In Nashville and Sacramento the NHL and NBA regular seasons end around the beginning of April so there is not much competition for the sports entertainment market in the Spring/Summer months. Whereas Cincy and Detroit have Spring/Summer/Fall professional sports in the market. Don't know if this is bad for Cincy or a non-issue.

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« Reply #828 on: December 21, 2017, 07:09:40 AM »
I'm getting most of my information from soccer twitter and soccer reddit. 

Detroit has long considered to be out. But I guess nobody really knows. MLS favors small soccer stadiums for new teams, so Detroit really only made the finalists because of their money and it's a large market that MLS would like to have.

Sacramento has long had issues with ownership. The owner of HP left and then came back, but even with her they're still the least wealthy of the 4 bids. MLS doesn't want to bring an ownership that isn't willing (or can't) to spend money long term to field a good product. There's also rumors that MLS head Don Garber really doesn't like the Sacramento owners and a personal level.

The funding gap is like $10 million for infrastructure at the Oakley site. If MLS is going to pick Cincinnati they seem to be waiting to make sure the stadium plan in 100% done.

The finalist made it this far because of the original dozen or so teams that applied in January these were the 4 best bids. Other expansion teams didn't check all the boxes. St Louis and San Diego failed to get money for a stadium, for example.

EDIT: This being said only a handful of people really have any idea what's going on, I'm just stating the most common rumors I'm seeing.
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« Reply #829 on: December 21, 2017, 07:44:41 AM »
The finalist made it this far because of the original dozen or so teams that applied in January these were the 4 best bids. Other expansion teams didn't check all the boxes. St Louis and San Diego failed to get money for a stadium, for example.

Thanks for the update. Just wanted to say that San Diego's owners have the money, but the city council delayed the ballot initiative that would have allowed construction to begin. If Cincy gets to MLS you can probably thank SD's politicians because the stadium initiative had public support; it would have passed.

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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #830 on: December 21, 2017, 09:00:58 AM »
I have heard the same about SAC's bid. The issue with the ownership is not Meg Whitman's money, but they want her deep pockets as the main owner instead of a secondary owner.

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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #831 on: December 21, 2017, 11:11:23 AM »
The funding gap is like $10 million for infrastructure at the Oakley site. If MLS is going to pick Cincinnati they seem to be waiting to make sure the stadium plan in 100% done.

The city and county have already agreed to build the roads, sewers, other utilities, and a parking garage. It would be nice if FCC's owners would tell us specifically what other "infrastructure" they still want us to build. Amazing that these details are still only being discussed in smoke-filled rooms and not out in public.

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« Reply #832 on: December 21, 2017, 11:18:32 AM »
FCC listed what they wanted and said they think would cost $70 million and I think the city/county funding only adds up to $54 Million or something along those numbers. There's been discussions for months on this, especially with the county, its all on the BOCC archived minutes as far back as August. There was also a large public meeting in Norwood months ago on the issue. All the major news media covered it. The public is rarely in the know on every detail of major development news. It hasn't been handled perfectly but the idea that it's all been hidden is untrue.
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« Reply #833 on: December 21, 2017, 11:39:19 AM »
Okay, so what is the the $10 million "funding gap" intended to be spent on? What do they need that hasn't already been announced (new roads, sewers, utilities, and a parking garage)?

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« Reply #834 on: December 21, 2017, 11:44:11 AM »
the announced ask was $70M iirc. The county/city came up with about $54M. It's not an additional $10M they are adding on. This is from the original ask. I don't think I've seen an itemized list, though.

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« Reply #835 on: December 21, 2017, 11:45:09 AM »
It was my first sentence. FCC seems to think those roads/sewers/utilities/parking/etc will cost more than the money the city/county have put up. I think the Biz Journal and WVXU both published the list. Removing bump outs and adding a lane on Vandecar, making the road in front of Meijer and Sams public, widening Madison Rd between Ridge and Kennedy and building a new circle road around the stadium. There might have been others.
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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #836 on: December 21, 2017, 01:15:50 PM »
Details are coming out, essentially confirming the rumors that Scaramento's problem is the need for more wealthy owners:
https://twitter.com/BrianStraus/status/943904588956164096

This article says that FCC is just working through questions regarding the potential stadium sites. Article says we should expect a statement from FCC later today (Thursday):
https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/12/21/mls-expansion-timeline-don-garber-cincinnati-detroit-sacramento

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« Reply #837 on: December 21, 2017, 01:40:44 PM »
FCC in the drivers seat, just need to quickly get their act together to check the boxes. They should have gone to Newport from the start and the deal would be done by now.

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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #838 on: January 04, 2018, 02:51:28 PM »
Still no news on the MLS front, but that doesn't stop FC Cincinnati from stacking their team for 2018.

They signed Argentinian midfielder Emmanuel Ledesma today. He most recently played for the New York Cosmos of the NASL where he scored 10 goals and 6 assists in 19 games (17 starts).

Yesterday they signed Guyana National Team striker Emery Welshman.

Before the new year they also signed Jamaican National Team fullback/winger Lance Laing and American forward Tommy Heinemann.

Rumors have been circulating that FCC is going to sign American midfielder Nazmi Albadawi. Rumors also say that his contract may be contingent on FC Cincinnati jumping to MLS in the coming years, but nothing has been confirmed as of yet.

Here's what the roster looks like right now:


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Re: FC Cincinnati Discussion
« Reply #839 on: January 04, 2018, 06:08:13 PM »
Why does the USL exempt Canada from the international cap? For that matter, why do they have the international cap at all? What motivates the fear about rosters being "too" international?