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FC Cincinnati Discussion
« on: August 06, 2015, 10:36:19 AM »
We have one professional soccer team in Cincinnati: The Cincinnati Saints. They are in the National Premier Soccer League (NPSL) and also play indoor soccer in the winter. They have a women's team as well. They play at Stargel Stadium in the West End (just outside of Downtown/OTR) next to Taft High School.

New reports indicate Cincinnati will be getting a 3rd tier team in the United Soccer League (USL). Not a lot is known of the team, except they will probably play at Nippert until they build a dedicated facility (or find another location). Jeff Berding, of the Bengals, is apparently leaving his post to run this. They will start in 2016. Rumor has it John Harkes may lead the team as head coach.

More info surely to come soon.
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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2015, 12:48:47 PM »
The Saints play at Withrow HS now.

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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2015, 01:38:16 PM »
^That was only for the 2015 season as CPS was redoing the field. Their permanent home as of now is Stargel

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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2015, 07:41:36 PM »
^That was only for the 2015 season as CPS was redoing the field. Their permanent home as of now is Stargel

I went to 4 Saints games at Stargel and 0 at Withrow

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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2015, 11:53:14 PM »
I don't know the numbers, but it seemed less people came to withrow this yr vs stargel last yr, even though they did better this yr.
I have always been a huge fan of soccer, very exciting that within a couple of yrs of each other we might have 2 pro soccer teams.
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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2015, 08:13:07 AM »
Fox19 said via Twitter the new team will be owned by the Lindners and play at UC. No article to accompany the tweet.

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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2015, 08:37:22 AM »
Here's a youtube video they created.


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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2015, 11:11:04 AM »
Hopefully FC Cincinnati gets a new logo before they actually start. I think their current logo looks rushed. Also, is it supposed to be an acorn? Why?


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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2015, 11:38:54 AM »
Well they are going to have one heck of a facility to play in. I should try to get over to UC for a few baseball and now maybe soccer games.

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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2015, 11:41:59 AM »
Well they are going to have one heck of a facility to play in. I should try to get over to UC for a few baseball and now maybe soccer games.

UC has a great baseball facility there. The only thing I don't like about it is I can't get over the ping of the metal bats, just feels wrong.

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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2015, 11:53:20 AM »
This is what it could look like...   As a very casual soccer fan, an interesting development


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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2015, 11:53:54 AM »
Well they are going to have one heck of a facility to play in. I should try to get over to UC for a few baseball and now maybe soccer games.

UC has a great baseball facility there. The only thing I don't like about it is I can't get over the ping of the metal bats, just feels wrong.

Yep, lol, metal bats don't sound right.

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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2015, 12:16:28 PM »
Per Carl Lindner III bringing new pro soccer team to Cincy:

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The team will take the field in spring 2016.

An official announcement is scheduled for Wednesday, after which tickets will go on sale. They will range from $50 for students up to $595 for club seats.

These have to be season ticket prices...
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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2015, 12:39:53 PM »
The Cincy Saints are now the Cincinnati Saints and released their new logo today

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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2015, 01:13:45 PM »
This is what it could look like...   As a very casual soccer fan, an interesting development



Yeah same here. Wonder if they decide not to build a stadium and stay there long term?

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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2015, 02:46:41 PM »
I thought there was a mandate that USL had to have a soccer specific stadium by 2020? I don't see how they get Nippert to be wide enough, nor do I understand why they chose Nippert. That picture looks cool, unfortunately there will only be 1,000 people in the seats (hopefully they get that many) and there will be painted lines across the field every 10 yards. Why not Gettler?
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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2015, 03:05:01 PM »
They imply in the article I read that they will spend the next year or so figuring out the plans for a permanent home. 

Any ideas on where a permanent soccer specific stadium could be for this team that has seating for around 5,000?

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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2015, 03:13:19 PM »
2020 still gives the team 4 years to build a soccer specific stadium. This is likely a temporary home.

Also, the league will only overlap with UC Football for a month at the most, so it shouldn't be too big of a deal as a temporary home (2 years or so I bet). I'm sure FC Cincinnati is paying for the field conversion. I don't know about the width of Nippert. Are the lowest level seats retractable for other sports?

I think it would be cool if they built a soccer stadium in Newport at the Licking River where that stalled development is. You could put the stands on the south side so it faces the Cincinnati skyline.

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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2015, 03:23:35 PM »
This is what it could look like...   As a very casual soccer fan, an interesting development



If you look closely at the rendering, they show the first several rows of seats removed, particularly in the student section. Currently, the wall is very low and the aisles open up onto the field. In the rendering, the wall rises up at the south end. I'm not sure if the designer was using some artistic license, or if they really think UC is going to renovate the stadium again in order to accommodate a larger field. I think that would be awful, the fact that the front rows at Nippert are directly at field level is one of the coolest things about it (even if the seats are often empty because fans can't see over the heads of people on the sidelines).

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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2015, 03:29:42 PM »
Alternatively, if there is enough space, perhaps the Bengals could give up their practice field but retain certain rights to use it during preseason and full use after the USL season ends each year. Here's a map of two locations worth considering.

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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2015, 03:54:01 PM »
No way the Bengals do that given Mike Brown's history.  In Newport the new KY9 will be routed in a way that precludes this even if Ovation never happens.

At least that's my take.

How about we seize on this to bring some life to lower Queensgate.  Fifth and Freeman OR Linn and Ges.. Turn those brownfield into green!

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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2015, 03:56:23 PM »
I am OK with the first few rows of Nippert coming out. UC has a tough time selling those seats.
Linder will probably make a nice donation to UC also.

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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2015, 04:02:43 PM »
^^Consider that Jeff Berding is GM/President of the organization. He left his post after about 20 years with the Bengals. I think Mike Brown could be convinced. Perhaps they've already reached an agreement. Also, if they provide significant improvements and then give the Bengals free use of the space around games and some practices while covering maintenance of the site, I think it would work well for both teams.

I'm skeptical of going into Queensgate. Part of the benefit of the two sites I mentioned is that parking would either be unnecessary or be lower because of the public infrastructure already in place.

And that lower end of Queensgate is a mess of railroads, polluted land (expensive to convert), and industrial companies that likely aren't willing to pack up and leave.

I hope they stay in the basin after they leave Nippert.

USL averaged 3114/game in 2014. Gettler only holds 1,400. I agree that Nippert is a little big, but Gettler is pretty small. And their activities would likely interfere more with UC sports if they were at Gettler with Track & Field, Lacrosse, and Soccer.
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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2015, 04:11:50 PM »
It would be very foolish of Newport to allow a stadium to be built on the ovation grounds.  Financially that would make no sense for them.  Ovation is unlikely to ever get built, but that land could become a 2000 resident dense townhouse style development at a minimum, or something in the middle like a continuation of The Banks with 2 or so mid size office buildings and 3-4 6 story apartment buildings.
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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2015, 04:20:34 PM »
Alternatively, if there is enough space, perhaps the Bengals could give up their practice field but retain certain rights to use it during preseason and full use after the USL season ends each year. Here's a map of two locations worth considering.

Both of those locations ought to be used for something *much* higher density than a soccer field. (I say that as a huge soccer fan). With close proximity to downtown, the river, and the highways, it's always bugged me how the Bengals' practice field is such an under-utilized piece of land. (Same goes for the Newport property).

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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2015, 04:22:38 PM »
Might be a savvy move for the Browns be involved with this. Companies in other industries have R&D departments developing the next big thing and this is analogous. The NFL is peaking right now in popularity and who knows how sustainable that is given both in-sport issues like concussions and external factors.

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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2015, 04:40:56 PM »
Chances are it will be built out in Mason by the Lindner's tennis facilities and we'll all forget about it in a couple years.

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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2015, 04:43:53 PM »
Louisville City FC got $580K from Louisville government to renovate locker room. Article implies they will ask for public funds for soccer stadium.  Also implies 2020 is deadline for Cincinnati FC to get their own stadium. I don't see how they stay in the urban core.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/soccer/louisville-city-fc/2015/05/14/usl-wants-teams-including-louisville-city-fc-in-soccer-stadiums-by-2020/27302237/

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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2015, 06:18:21 PM »
I could see Mike Brown working with Carl Lindner to upgrade the Bengals practice facility as @ryanlammi mentioned. Call it United Dairy Farmers (UDF) Stadium and add the ability to inflate a bubble for Bengals practices.
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Re: Cincinnati Soccer
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2015, 10:18:46 PM »
I went to most Saints games last year, and 1 this year. I got to know the Crusaders supports group and I think the news today is a bummer.

This just feels to me like Walmart trying to push the local store out of business.