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Offline IAGuy39

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #300 on: September 20, 2016, 01:10:40 PM »
Wait, how do you get Southbound on I-71 from MLK?


**Edit I see now it is Ramp D

Yeah it hasn't really taken shape yet because they are still modifying the south side of the old MLK overpass.


Man I can already tell that stretch of MLK is going to be a nightmare.  Starting from the East with a big traffic stop for Ramp A and Ramp B.  Then another traffic stop at Stanton Avenue exit (probably will stay mostly green there as traffic can't be that bad going onto Stanton?), then a really massive traffic stop on Ramp D and Ramp C.  I wonder if the lights are so close together people are going to be stuck inbetween stop lights.  They better have some moving guards in those intersections most times otherwise the mess will be even worse.

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #301 on: September 20, 2016, 01:19:45 PM »
It's worth driving over there right now to see just how massive this is going to be.  It's going to draw a fraction of the traffic from various other ramps and it'll encourage use of 71 instead of Columbia Parkway/Taft by some east siders.  It's also going to motivate people in all of the neighborhoods between I-71 and I-75 to use I-71 when they had in the past exited at Mitchel Ave. and used Vine or Mitchel/Reading to get to the area.  And we have already talked in the past about the dramatic difference we'll surely see at the 71/Dorchester ramps. 

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #302 on: September 20, 2016, 01:57:01 PM »
Are you talking about East side neighborhoods like southern half of Oakley, Madisonville and Madeira mostly?  Well I guess possibly some of Mt. Lookout and southern parts of Hyde Park possibly as well?

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #303 on: September 20, 2016, 02:13:02 PM »
Yeah, someone in Fairfax, for example, might take Redbank to I-71 now instead of Columbia Parkway to Wm H Taft. 

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #304 on: September 20, 2016, 03:13:23 PM »
The other major traffic difference will be those heading to the hospitals from Kentucky. Right now there is a ridiculously long line of traffic every morning from Reading Road at 71 to Burnet up to the hospitals.


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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #305 on: September 20, 2016, 05:14:22 PM »
Yeah, someone in Fairfax, for example, might take Redbank to I-71 now instead of Columbia Parkway to Wm H Taft. 

Redbank is already a complete mess at both rush hours, thanks in no small part to Medpace and 5/3, from I-71 all the way down to Erie/Brotherton. 

What horrifies me just as much as the enormous suburban scale of this interchange, which still yields some pretty steep grades on those ramps, especially ramp B which looks like a ski jump, is the effect on surrounding streets.  The widening they've done to Gilbert and Reading have made already unpleasantly wide arterial streets even worse with double turn lanes and squeezing of the sidewalks.  Lincoln Avenue too, which makes no sense to me.  MLK itself is going to be 9 lanes wide between Harvey and I-71, with part of it being 10 lanes.  I mean holy shit!  And they're really expecting some sort of renaissance of pedestrian-friendly development here? 

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #306 on: September 20, 2016, 05:47:22 PM »
Yeah, someone in Fairfax, for example, might take Redbank to I-71 now instead of Columbia Parkway to Wm H Taft. 

This is especially true now that so many people rely on GPS directions for every trip. I am always surprised when I get in a car with someone, going somewhere they have been before, and they pull up directions on their phone. If Google now determines that it's 1 minute quicker to use the new MLK interchange, it'll take them that way instead of the way they used to go.

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #307 on: September 20, 2016, 06:55:40 PM »
MLK itself is going to be 9 lanes wide between Harvey and I-71, with part of it being 10 lanes.  I mean holy S**t!  And they're really expecting some sort of renaissance of pedestrian-friendly development here?

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #308 on: September 20, 2016, 07:26:51 PM »
Yeah, someone in Fairfax, for example, might take Redbank to I-71 now instead of Columbia Parkway to Wm H Taft. 

This is especially true now that so many people rely on GPS directions for every trip. I am always surprised when I get in a car with someone, going somewhere they have been before, and they pull up directions on their phone. If Google now determines that it's 1 minute quicker to use the new MLK interchange, it'll take them that way instead of the way they used to go.

I generally never use GPS for local trips... the only exception is when I suspect I might hit bad traffic, since I would rather take an alternate route to avoid backups. The last couple of years have shown a big improvement in the quality of real time traffic data. I suspect that in a few more years, we will see better "predictive traffic apps" that will tell people if they should wait a bit longer at the office to avoid rush hour. I can imagine Google, in the future, being able to send you a notification that suggests when you should leave your office, or alternatively when it'd be better to wait at your office for traffic to clear.

Most roads in Cincinnati only get congested for a relatively short period of time. So, if we could encourage drivers to avoid those congestion windows, we could solve a lot of "traffic problems" without needing to build absurdly large, expensive highways.

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #309 on: September 21, 2016, 07:14:11 AM »
Yeah, someone in Fairfax, for example, might take Redbank to I-71 now instead of Columbia Parkway to Wm H Taft. 

This is especially true now that so many people rely on GPS directions for every trip. I am always surprised when I get in a car with someone, going somewhere they have been before, and they pull up directions on their phone. If Google now determines that it's 1 minute quicker to use the new MLK interchange, it'll take them that way instead of the way they used to go.

I generally never use GPS for local trips... the only exception is when I suspect I might hit bad traffic, since I would rather take an alternate route to avoid backups. The last couple of years have shown a big improvement in the quality of real time traffic data. I suspect that in a few more years, we will see better "predictive traffic apps" that will tell people if they should wait a bit longer at the office to avoid rush hour. I can imagine Google, in the future, being able to send you a notification that suggests when you should leave your office, or alternatively when it'd be better to wait at your office for traffic to clear.

Most roads in Cincinnati only get congested for a relatively short period of time. So, if we could encourage drivers to avoid those congestion windows, we could solve a lot of "traffic problems" without needing to build absurdly large, expensive highways.

Not exactly what you said, but Google does have information about your route home before you even leave without you having to ask for it. My phone would tell me how long my trip home would be from work because it knew where I worked and lived based on my daily routine. Never once entered that route into Google Maps but it learned it. And if Columbia Parkway was slow for some reason it would tell me and suggest alternate routes Not that I needed them to know how to get home fastest, but it was nice knowing beforehand that there was an accident and Columbia Parkway was a parking lot. Otherwise I'd have to get to it and find that out in person which sucked.

Google would also alert me to traffic incidents up ahead if I was on a major road or highway even if I didn't have GPS on. It would just assume you're continuing on that road and would ask if you wanted an alternate route around the incident to get back on track. It was nice a few times when there were accidents on 71 North on my way back up to Cleveland and it would let me know well before I hit the traffic to get off and go around.

My phone also now knows what subway I take to get to work and around what time I generally leave work and lets me know how train service is at that time and how much shorter or longer than normal it will take me to get home if I left right at that time. Useful information.

If I do a random google search for something on my laptop it'll also pop up on my phone and ask if I want to start navigation to whatever it was I looked up. Which is comical at times when searching for something in, say, Tokyo (which I'm going to in March) and it'll bring up flights to book last minute if I want. Like, yes Google, I want to purchase that $4,000 plane ticket to go see this random building RIGHT NOW.

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #310 on: September 21, 2016, 07:23:24 AM »
^haha... I love that example of the flights to Tokyo. It's still early days for the "digital personal assistant" technology. In some ways, it's trying to do more today than it's capable of. But, we can already see how much better it is today than just a few years ago. Recent example: Google Maps knows if I have a reservation at a hotel and will place a marker on the map showing that hotel, which is super helpful when I'm on my phone exploring a city I'm about to visit.

Anyways... sorry to derail this thread. Long story short: I hope that better technology will allow for smaller highways in the future, so that we don't have to build urban monsters like the new MLK interchange. I am glad we are adding access to MLK; I just wish it weren't so humongous.   

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #311 on: September 21, 2016, 08:26:27 AM »
The best is when you're in the car with a bunch of women and they insist on taking GPS directions to some place where you, like, used to live. 

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #312 on: September 21, 2016, 10:10:22 AM »
^well that's pretty sexist

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #313 on: September 21, 2016, 11:05:10 AM »
Wait, how do you get Southbound on I-71 from MLK?


**Edit I see now it is Ramp D

Yeah it hasn't really taken shape yet because they are still modifying the south side of the old MLK overpass.


Man I can already tell that stretch of MLK is going to be a nightmare.  Starting from the East with a big traffic stop for Ramp A and Ramp B.  Then another traffic stop at Stanton Avenue exit (probably will stay mostly green there as traffic can't be that bad going onto Stanton?), then a really massive traffic stop on Ramp D and Ramp C.  I wonder if the lights are so close together people are going to be stuck inbetween stop lights.  They better have some moving guards in those intersections most times otherwise the mess will be even worse.
BTW: Stanton will pass under the MLK overpass and will not have an intersection with MLK

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #314 on: September 21, 2016, 11:40:33 AM »
It's going to be ~.2 miles between the two new stoplights on MLK between the SB and NB ramps. I'm not too concerned about backups between those lights.

There will be shorter distances between the ramps and the Reading and Gilbert lights. The only place where backups might be a problem would be if lots of traffic tries to turn left from westbound MLK onto Reading, but I don't think that will be the case since if you want to go south on Reading, you'd probably be better served getting off at the WH Taft exit.

 

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #315 on: September 21, 2016, 02:22:38 PM »
^well that's pretty sexist

THIS is sexist:

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #316 on: September 21, 2016, 07:49:19 PM »

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« Reply #317 on: December 05, 2016, 10:47:23 AM »
Has ODOT published new estimates for when various portions of this project are expected to be finished?

Their website still says that most will be finished by Fall 2016, but it appears like there is still a lot of work left (though I could be over-estimating). Three of the four new MLK ramps are supposed to be done by Fall 2016. Only the southbound onramp is estimated to take until Summer 2017 to finish.

https://www.dot.state.oh.us/districts/D08/Pages/I-71-MLK-Interchange-Project-Info.aspx





Looks like the DOT updated their website (image filename remains the same, so the embedded image makes my previous post confusing - ), now saying that most of the ramps won't open until Spring 2017. Ramp B still says it was supposed to be completed in "November 2016" which didn't happen. So far, I haven't seen any media coverage about how this project is behind schedule.

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« Reply #318 on: December 05, 2016, 12:29:36 PM »
^ It's quite typical. I've been monitoring the websites for the various I-75 construction projects and nearly every phase is over budget and behind schedule from original estimates. Yet the Enquirer would never write an article calling out ODOT.

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #319 on: December 05, 2016, 12:38:18 PM »
Ramp E is finally taking shape.  Pretty much everything else was almost finished before they even started on it. 

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #320 on: December 06, 2016, 04:58:53 PM »
Is it me or do  the ornamental pylons on the MLK bridge look like they are made out of legos.

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #321 on: December 07, 2016, 07:53:54 AM »
Is it me or do  the ornamental pylons on the MLK bridge look like they are made out of legos.


they look like they should grace the entry to the Lawrenceburg Casino

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #322 on: December 07, 2016, 10:15:53 AM »
When I first saw them I was reminded of the Forest Fair Mall.
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« Reply #323 on: December 19, 2016, 12:50:46 AM »
It just go worse.  The weird casino-type pylons are now the towers for a faux cable-stayed bridge adornment.  You can't make this stuff up.  No matter where you go in the state you get the impression that ODOT is staffed by a small army of complete knuckleheads. 

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« Reply #324 on: December 19, 2016, 12:53:06 AM »
Also, the widening of the bridge has taken its final shape and it has the effect of making the whole thing look shorter and less massive than it is.  Like, if this thing had been built by the Romans, it would have been almost the biggest thing in the world.  And it would have looked way cooler. 

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« Reply #325 on: January 16, 2017, 05:36:14 PM »
Another story on the development planned for the SE corner of Reading & MLK:
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/2017/01/16/reshaping-reading-mlk-corridor-starts-project/96632126/

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« Reply #326 on: January 16, 2017, 06:17:54 PM »
Anyone notice the drains on the bridge that stick out about 5 feet from the curb and would easily flatten bike tires? 

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Re: Cincinnati: New I-71 Interchange at MLK (Uptown Access Project)
« Reply #327 on: April 17, 2017, 10:28:21 AM »
According to ODOT, the new ramp from MLK to I-71 Northbound will open next Monday morning, April 24 at 9 a.m., and the ramp from McMillan to I-71 N will be closed at that time for construction.

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« Reply #328 on: April 17, 2017, 10:55:47 AM »
The 2-way portion of McMillan is going to be extended from May St to 71, so that traffic going westbound on McMillan will be able to get onto I-71 N. The northbound ramp from McMillan is going to be widened, presumably so that it can accommodate two lanes of traffic that will merge prior to merging onto 71. 


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« Reply #329 on: April 21, 2017, 12:20:59 AM »
I heard at a bar tonight that Neyer Properties just bought out a single family house holdout near this interchange for $900k.