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Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup
« Reply #90 on: July 11, 2018, 12:25:58 PM »
They have played 120 minutes of soccer in 80 plus degree weather running upwards of 7 to 10 miles. Eventually the game needs to end.

Right, they play 120 minutes of nip and tuck soccer just to hope a goalie falls into the opposite direction of a set kick. Truly an awful way to end it. Hockey has experimented with three on three in OT to open up scoring chances. Not quite sure what the solution for FIFA is but PKs are just lame.

Lame? PK's are freaking exciting as hell!

Itís exciting because the result is almost completely random. But whatís the point of playing the previous 120 minutes just to decide a result by randomness? To me, lame.

I can tell you though it's not random. It's skill along with, more importantly, who can handle the pressure. I can assure you that the PK situation at that level is an insane amount of pressure.

Sure there's pressure, no doubt. I agree there is skill but I think it's more akin to reading into a poker player eyes because reaction time to the set kick is almost zero. In a lot of ways the goalie and player are just guessing, guess the wrong way and you lose, so it is mostly luck/randomness.
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Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup
« Reply #91 on: July 11, 2018, 01:13:34 PM »
I can tell you though it's not random. It's skill along with, more importantly, who can handle the pressure. I can assure you that the PK situation at that level is an insane amount of pressure.

Sure there's pressure, no doubt. I agree there is skill but I think it's more akin to reading into a poker player eyes because reaction time to the set kick is almost zero. In a lot of ways the goalie and player are just guessing, guess the wrong way and you lose, so it is mostly luck/randomness.


Maybe you would prefer both teams shooting on an empty goal from like 70 yards away? That would be kind of cool.

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« Reply #92 on: July 11, 2018, 01:15:21 PM »
I can tell you though it's not random. It's skill along with, more importantly, who can handle the pressure. I can assure you that the PK situation at that level is an insane amount of pressure.

Sure there's pressure, no doubt. I agree there is skill but I think it's more akin to reading into a poker player eyes because reaction time to the set kick is almost zero. In a lot of ways the goalie and player are just guessing, guess the wrong way and you lose, so it is mostly luck/randomness.


Maybe you would prefer both teams shooting on an empty goal from like 70 yards away? That would be kind of cool.

Or play the 2nd OT with no goalie.

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Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup
« Reply #93 on: July 11, 2018, 01:16:42 PM »
I can tell you though it's not random. It's skill along with, more importantly, who can handle the pressure. I can assure you that the PK situation at that level is an insane amount of pressure.

Sure there's pressure, no doubt. I agree there is skill but I think it's more akin to reading into a poker player eyes because reaction time to the set kick is almost zero. In a lot of ways the goalie and player are just guessing, guess the wrong way and you lose, so it is mostly luck/randomness.


Maybe you would prefer both teams shooting on an empty goal from like 70 yards away? That would be kind of cool.

Or play the 2nd OT with no goalie.

You gotta love hockey when they pull the goalie in desperation time.

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« Reply #94 on: July 11, 2018, 01:34:27 PM »
Or play the 2nd OT with no goalie.

That would be interesting, but a problem I see occurring is that if the goalie was removed from the game, you would have field players who are acting as goalies. This would inevitably lead to those players using their hands when they can't stop the shot with their feet or heads, so you would give up a PK. Then what? Do they get a red card, get sent off, and then have a another position player come in to try to stop the penalty without using their hands? Either way, the games would probably often end with a hand ball in the box penalty kick.

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« Reply #95 on: July 11, 2018, 01:51:42 PM »
Or play the 2nd OT with no goalie.

That would be interesting, but a problem I see occurring is that if the goalie was removed from the game, you would have field players who are acting as goalies. This would inevitably lead to those players using their hands when they can't stop the shot with their feet or heads, so you would give up a PK. Then what? Do they get a red card, get sent off, and then have a another position player come in to try to stop the penalty without using their hands? Either way, the games would probably often end with a hand ball in the box penalty kick.

Rules would have to be changed a bit especially for balls that go out of bounds around the goal but I'm not quite sure why players would need to use their hands. When a goalie is pulled in hockey, nobody plays goalie, that's the inherent risk of pulling the position to add the extra offensive player. If it's too complicated then remove the (typically) three defenders and play 8-on-8. I know I'm making this sound too simple but there are ways to adjust the game to increase scoring within those 120 minutes.
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Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup
« Reply #96 on: July 11, 2018, 01:58:54 PM »
I usually bet on the amount of stoppage time that accrues during the match on 183

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« Reply #97 on: July 11, 2018, 02:00:59 PM »
Or play the 2nd OT with no goalie.

That would be interesting, but a problem I see occurring is that if the goalie was removed from the game, you would have field players who are acting as goalies. This would inevitably lead to those players using their hands when they can't stop the shot with their feet or heads, so you would give up a PK. Then what? Do they get a red card, get sent off, and then have a another position player come in to try to stop the penalty without using their hands? Either way, the games would probably often end with a hand ball in the box penalty kick.

Rules would have to be changed a bit especially for balls that go out of bounds around the goal but I'm not quite sure why players would need to use their hands. When a goalie is pulled in hockey, nobody plays goalie, that's the inherit risk of pulling the position to add the extra offensive player. If it's too complicated then remove the (typically) three defenders and play seven-on-seven. I know I'm making this sound too simple but there are ways to adjust the game to increase scoring within those 120 minutes.

I'm all for changing the rules to encourage wins brought about by on-field success, and not the penalty spot. But there's a huge difference between hockey and soccer. In hockey the goalie only leaves his spot when they are down a goal with less than 2 minutes left (usually much later in the game: 1 minute or so left). He doesn't leave in overtime and just let 5 v 6 all OT. Another goal against them in the waning seconds of the game doesn't really matter if they are going to lose anyway.

Soccer employs the same tactic. If there is a corner with less than a minute left, and the team taking the corner is down 1 goal, they will pull their goalie and have him try to score a goal.

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« Reply #98 on: July 11, 2018, 02:59:01 PM »
Speaking of handling the pressure, that free kick by England in the first have was about as perfect as it gets. 


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« Reply #99 on: July 11, 2018, 03:01:06 PM »
Tottenham Hotspur are the feature club of this World Cup so far. My God.

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« Reply #100 on: July 11, 2018, 03:58:46 PM »
Or play the 2nd OT with no goalie.

That would be interesting, but a problem I see occurring is that if the goalie was removed from the game, you would have field players who are acting as goalies. This would inevitably lead to those players using their hands when they can't stop the shot with their feet or heads, so you would give up a PK. Then what? Do they get a red card, get sent off, and then have a another position player come in to try to stop the penalty without using their hands? Either way, the games would probably often end with a hand ball in the box penalty kick.

Rules would have to be changed a bit especially for balls that go out of bounds around the goal but I'm not quite sure why players would need to use their hands. When a goalie is pulled in hockey, nobody plays goalie, that's the inherit risk of pulling the position to add the extra offensive player. If it's too complicated then remove the (typically) three defenders and play seven-on-seven. I know I'm making this sound too simple but there are ways to adjust the game to increase scoring within those 120 minutes.

I'm all for changing the rules to encourage wins brought about by on-field success, and not the penalty spot. But there's a huge difference between hockey and soccer. In hockey the goalie only leaves his spot when they are down a goal with less than 2 minutes left (usually much later in the game: 1 minute or so left). He doesn't leave in overtime and just let 5 v 6 all OT. Another goal against them in the waning seconds of the game doesn't really matter if they are going to lose anyway.

Soccer employs the same tactic. If there is a corner with less than a minute left, and the team taking the corner is down 1 goal, they will pull their goalie and have him try to score a goal.

I totally understand your point. My point is that no one actually plays goalie while the goalie is pulled. Again FIFA would have to play around with the rules a bit to eliminate any incentive for someone to be a "goalie". This is never going to happen anyway!  ;D

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Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup
« Reply #101 on: July 11, 2018, 06:30:07 PM »
Croatia joins France in Sunday's Final.  Croatia defeats England 2-1 on a game-winning goal in the 109th minute during extra time.  My favorite part of the highlight video is when the Croat goal celebration spills over into the sideline photographers pen and one of the photographers gets mixed into the celebration pile:

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« Reply #102 on: July 11, 2018, 07:18:59 PM »
At 1:04 it looks like much of the upper deck is unoccupied. 

Earlier this week it was reported that there were many empty seats at the other semifinal:
https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/world-cup-2018/2832613/world-cup-2018-thousands-of-empty-seats-at-france-semi-final-clash-against-belgium/

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« Reply #103 on: July 11, 2018, 07:33:44 PM »
At 1:04 it looks like much of the upper deck is unoccupied. 

And that kiddos is what's called "Dropping a Jake".
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Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup
« Reply #104 on: July 12, 2018, 07:12:37 AM »
At 1:04 it looks like much of the upper deck is unoccupied. 

Earlier this week it was reported that there were many empty seats at the other semifinal:
https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/world-cup-2018/2832613/world-cup-2018-thousands-of-empty-seats-at-france-semi-final-clash-against-belgium/

Jesus, give it a rest. you hate soccer, we get it. Stop trolling.

I can't wait for all the posts in 4 years on what hopefully will be empty stadiums in Qatar. Of course in 8 years you'll have sold out stadiums all across North America.

Anyways, good for Croatia. They've been the trendy dark horse pick. Now can they prove everyone wrong again and beat France on Sunday?
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« Reply #105 on: July 12, 2018, 09:17:02 AM »
England's lack of a midfield finally caught up with them. It was a good run on limited resources. Good luck to Croatia in the final. Hope they win it.

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« Reply #106 on: July 12, 2018, 11:52:00 AM »
England's lack of a midfield finally caught up with them. It was a good run on limited resources. Good luck to Croatia in the final. Hope they win it.

Croatia is perplexing to me. They don't seem to have any outstanding athletes. They constantly fall behind. And yet here they are on the verge of the Cup.

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« Reply #107 on: July 12, 2018, 12:31:36 PM »
As a Clevelander fan for life, I have to root for Croatia :D

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« Reply #108 on: July 12, 2018, 12:36:53 PM »
Donít let the name recognition fool everyone. Croatia is pretty stocked up with players from the top serie A and la liga teams. Luka Modric miiiiiight Be the best passer Iíve ever seen. And they are tough, when they get down, they almost expect to win.  Thatís a trait that not all players have, especially some of the greatest in the world. Croatiaís whole team has the trait.  I like France and I think they will win, but I am Rooting for croatia

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« Reply #109 on: July 12, 2018, 12:37:43 PM »
As a Clevelander fan for life, I have to root for Croatia :D

As a Clevelander who had a Croat step father: Vive la France!  8)

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« Reply #110 on: July 15, 2018, 02:05:51 PM »
France defeats Croatia 4-2 to win the 2018 World Cup

This 64th and final match of the 2018 World Cup seemed to have it all: Thunder & Lightning - an own goal from a set piece - a Penalty Kick goal - a VAR decision to award that PK - multiple run-of-play blasts for goals from both teams - a Croat goal poached from the French keeper - Putin - pitch invaders - and a torrential downpour during the trophy ceremony!

In a tournament that saw some favorites bow out earlier than expected, pre-tourney favorite France played with a quiet confidence that belayed them being the second youngest team in this World Cup.  In their 7 games and nearly 700 minutes of game-time, France only trailed for 9 minutes during their Round of 16 match with Argentina, en route to their second World Cup title.

Talented and plucky Croatia had a more difficult route to the final, having to survive three straight extra-time knockout games.  This additional game time through the knockouts added up to an extra 90 minutes for the Croatian team (an entire extra game).  This was the best World Cup finish for Croatia since they reached the Semi-Finals in 1998 - and were eliminated in that game by France en route to 'Les Bleus' winning that 1998 World Cup title.
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