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Cleveland: Downtown: Standard Building
« on: June 30, 2014, 08:27:40 AM »
Standard Building near Public Square will become apartments, after sale to Weston, Inc. (gallery)

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A downtown Cleveland building constructed by the nation's oldest labor union for country's first labor bank could become 287 apartments, under plans being considered by local developer Weston, Inc.

Weston expects to buy the Standard Building, near Public Square, in a deal set to close today. The sale will be the first in the history of the 90-year old office building, which was built by the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen and has housed the union's offices since 1989.


http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/06/standard_building_near_public.html#incart_river_default
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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2014, 09:05:59 AM »
I've always loved the exterior design of this building. Terracotta, right?

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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2014, 09:06:42 AM »
Got to give Crain's their due, though. They had this story first, although Michelle has more detail in her piece (above).....

Is Weston Inc. preparing to acquire the Standard Building?
By STAN BULLARD
Originally Published: June 27, 2014 1:28 PM  Modified: June 30, 2014 7:11 AM

Weston Inc., the Warrensville Heights-based real estate concern, may be preparing to add the largest building yet — the 21-story Standard Building — to its recent spate of downtown Cleveland acquisitions.

Such a name would be appropriate for a company to own the structure, as it pairs the building’s name with its address on Ontario Street.

A Weston play for the 1925-vintage building has been widely rumored for months among downtown Cleveland real estate insiders and developers, perhaps incorporating adjoining properties to accommodate the lack of parking on the block.

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http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140627/FREE/140629796
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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2014, 09:28:40 AM »
I've always loved the exterior design of this building. Terracotta, right?

But that south side...ugh!! I'd like to hear more about Weston's ideas here.

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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2014, 09:51:34 AM »
But that south side...ugh!! I'd like to hear more about Weston's ideas here.

I wonder if they could cut through the south wall and put windows in.  You would think it would enhance the value of the new apartments coming in.  It would certainly end that longtime Public Square visual eyesore.

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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2014, 10:01:52 AM »
Or add a giant Menchies billboard like the one on the Stark building



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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2014, 10:05:29 AM »
But that south side...ugh!! I'd like to hear more about Weston's ideas here.

I wonder if they could cut through the south wall and put windows in.  You would think it would enhance the value of the new apartments coming in.  It would certainly end that longtime Public Square visual eyesore.
That could cause them to lose the historic tax credits though.

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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2014, 10:07:25 AM »
This is very good news if it happens. I have for a long time thought that the Standard Building would be a great building to convert to apts. It would be a plus for the two hotels within a few hundred feet; the residents could be eating at the restaurants inside the Marriott and Hilton. And the SB is considered in the Warehouse District, so again move business for the WHD also.

Now, where are the office tenants going to move too? And how much of the SB is currently occupied? I tried to research how much office space is in the SB, but could not find it in any of my Cleveland books. Only that it's a 20 story building opened in 1925.

What if all the tenants in the SB would move into the same new office building, say a new 40+ building on the Jacobs land on Public Square. Now that would be a win, win for Cleveland.

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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2014, 10:08:01 AM »
I've always wanted to see a Living Wall installed on the Standard's backside.

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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2014, 10:10:08 AM »
The PD article states that the Standard Building is 45% occupied. As for the effect that this conversion, and many others would have on the downtown office market, see the general downtown office market thread at:
http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=4266.0

I also wrote a blog posting this morning regarding this issue:
http://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2014/06/downtown-cleveland-apartment.html
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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2014, 10:16:45 AM »
Once this development is complete, with exception to the Weston parking lots, all properties between the River and East 12 street on Lakeside, St. Clair and Rockwell have 24 hour connectivity!

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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2014, 10:21:08 AM »
@KJP

Yes, I was disappointed to see that very speculative Crain's item on Friday afternoon. I have been working on a story for a while but had promised to wait until this morning to publish it. That's why you didn't see something from The Plain Dealer before now.

C'est la vie!

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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2014, 10:23:19 AM »
OK, "La vie!"
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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2014, 11:34:49 AM »
@KJP

Yes, I was disappointed to see that very speculative Crain's item on Friday afternoon. I have been working on a story for a while but had promised to wait until this morning to publish it. That's why you didn't see something from The Plain Dealer before now.

C'est la vie!

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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2014, 11:44:11 AM »
Wow, so this would remove 400,000 sf of office space from the market. As well as remove 180,000 sf of vacancy. I wonder how many current office tenants would stay downtown if this project goes through.

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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2014, 12:03:59 PM »
I had no idea this building was actually so big.

As for what this does to the office market, that's interesting.  If B and C supplies tighten up, we should see rents increase in that market.  It may force some office users out of Downtown, and/or put a halt to the conversion from office to residential and hotel of these spaces (higher occupancy+higher rent making the risk and expense of conversion less worthwhile).  I'd love to be optimistic and believe that it may lead to new Downtown office construction, but I doubt it.  That happens when the top of the market gets tight.

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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2014, 12:18:47 PM »
The conversion of this building to residential is small compared to what is already happening -- the equivalent of THREE KEY TOWERS is being converted to residential downtown between now and 2017 -- before this conversion was announced. SOURCE: http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140615/SUB1/306159983&template=mobile#ATHS

Rents have already risen $1 per square foot over the past year in the Class C market (same source). I hear what you're saying about the top of the market usually driving the construction of new office product. But this is a very unusual circumstance in which building inventories are quickly and substantially shifting over -- old to residential, new to office. So the effect is that old offices will ultimately be traded for new offices. That is what is affecting the Class A market -- the bottom. No one builds new Class C offices.

Once these conversions take place between now and 2017 (not including the Huntington, Garfield and whatever K&D is thinking of buying next), the Class A market will tighten up and rents will rise further. So either the Class C office users are moving over to Class B (which is also being lost to apartment conversions) and to Class A downtown, or we'll lose them to the suburbs.

EDIT: of course, we should be discussing this at http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=4266.0 where you will find such a discussion is already well underway.
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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2014, 04:23:27 PM »
 
OK, "La vie!"

Oh, you're baaad!!   :whip:
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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2014, 07:18:29 PM »
The conversion of this building to residential is small compared to what is already happening -- the equivalent of THREE KEY TOWERS is being converted to residential downtown between now and 2017 -- before this conversion was announced. SOURCE: http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140615/SUB1/306159983&template=mobile#ATHS

Rents have already risen $1 per square foot over the past year in the Class C market (same source). I hear what you're saying about the top of the market usually driving the construction of new office product. But this is a very unusual circumstance in which building inventories are quickly and substantially shifting over -- old to residential, new to office. So the effect is that old offices will ultimately be traded for new offices. That is what is affecting the Class A market -- the bottom. No one builds new Class C offices.

Once these conversions take place between now and 2017 (not including the Huntington, Garfield and whatever K&D is thinking of buying next), the Class A market will tighten up and rents will rise further. So either the Class C office users are moving over to Class B (which is also being lost to apartment conversions) and to Class A downtown, or we'll lose them to the suburbs.

EDIT: of course, we should be discussing this at http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=4266.0 where you will find such a discussion is already well underway.
You're right, they don't build class C space...downtown.  However, there is an oversupply of it in the burbs.  Hopefully the reduced class c space in the city doesn't drive these businesses to the suburbs.

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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2014, 07:42:42 PM »
Admittedly, the ramifications of this project spread beyond it in a big way. Heck, I was the one last Friday/Saturday wondering why we weren't recognizing this fact and discussing it. So that's why I pointed people over the weekend to the general downtown offices thread (and continue to):
http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=4266.0
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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2014, 01:08:16 PM »
Standard Building fetches $3.9 million in sale to Weston, Inc. for apartment conversion

"CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A downtown Cleveland office building owned by a labor union for the last 90 years changed hands Tuesday for $3.9 million.
Real estate records show that Weston, Inc., a Warrensville Heights developer, closed its purchase of the Standard Building on Tuesday morning. The Plain Dealer reported Monday that Weston was acquiring the 21-story building for an apartment conversion that could start next year."


http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/07/standard_building_fetches_39_m.html#incart_river_default



Note: Wow, 3.9 million is insanely low but I assume the Union couldn't maintain it and had to take what it could get.  I wonder what the effect on the comp calculations will be because of such a low selling price in the heart of the CBD.
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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2014, 03:34:13 PM »
Michelle had the presence of mind to give us a picture of what a southern view would look like if there could be some way to replace the blank wall on the Standard with windows. From what I have read about the tax credits you are not able to alter the architectural integrity of the building. I guess you could argue that a blank wall has no 'architectural integrity'. Didn't 668 put in some windows on the west side of the building, also there were some windows cut in the alley of the Breuer project I think.

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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2014, 03:45:34 PM »
Michelle had the presence of mind to give us a picture of what a southern view would look like if there could be some way to replace the blank wall on the Standard with windows. From what I have read about the tax credits you are not able to alter the architectural integrity of the building. I guess you could argue that a blank wall has no 'architectural integrity'. Didn't 668 put in some windows on the west side of the building, also there were some windows cut in the alley of the Breuer project I think.

If that is true about the tax credits in this case, then the tax credit program has to loosen up a bit.

edit - well, this could be an obstacle. A comment from cleveland.com:

the elevators are up against the back wall so you cant put windows there because there are no offices there
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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2014, 04:45:25 PM »
OK well, then there's that...

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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2014, 05:49:20 PM »
Michelle had the presence of mind to give us a picture of what a southern view would look like if there could be some way to replace the blank wall on the Standard with windows. From what I have read about the tax credits you are not able to alter the architectural integrity of the building. I guess you could argue that a blank wall has no 'architectural integrity'. Didn't 668 put in some windows on the west side of the building, also there were some windows cut in the alley of the Breuer project I think.

If that is true about the tax credits in this case, then the tax credit program has to loosen up a bit.

edit - well, this could be an obstacle. A comment from cleveland.com:

the elevators are up against the back wall so you cant put windows there because there are no offices there

You know I thought that was the case from being in the building so often but was not sure, so I held back commenting as posters constantly lamented the blank wall.

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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2014, 06:47:39 PM »
We can always incorporate the rectory (?) into a much taller, multi-use, more iconic design.... correct?  :-D

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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2014, 06:52:22 PM »
If your prject has historic tax credits you have to wait seven yeats before altering the building.

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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2014, 06:53:15 PM »
It's probably not worth the cost and effort but couldn't they use an elevator with glass walls and still put in windows?  Would make for a really fun elevator ride.

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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2014, 06:56:40 PM »
If your prject has historic tax credits you have to wait seven yeats before altering the building.

Isn't the section I highlighted in green offices for the Old Stone Church?

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Re: Cleveland: Standard Building conversion to apartments
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2014, 11:21:31 PM »
If your prject has historic tax credits you have to wait seven yeats before altering the building.

Isn't the section I highlighted in green offices for the Old Stone Church?

Yes. And before those offices were built mid-20th century (100 years after the church was built), the Standard Building would have added a new structure in that space and possibly even to where the church is.

But I suspect a large mural will be the first phase of any plan to make the south wall more attractive. A building expansion would probably have to come later.
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