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Re: Cincinnati's Homeless Population
« Reply #60 on: July 12, 2018, 04:20:09 PM »
I agree Cleveland and Detroit are worse though.

Cleveland may have (marginally) wider downtown streets than Cincinnati, but I disagree that the feel is worse.

For example, Cleveland's "Main Street", Euclid Avenue, is probably as wide as Vine St. in Cincinnati, but the feel is worlds different.  There is a dedicated bus lane in each direction and one through travel lane.  Traffic moves very slowly and the sidewalks are wide, encouraging pedestrian activity.

Even a "highway feeder" like East 9th St., which is wider than Vine St. by one lane feels less like a highway due to having 2 through lanes in each direction plus parking.  The one way streets encourage people to drive faster and make the street feel less pedestrian friendly in my opinion.

Also, Cleveland has nothing like Central Parkway downtown.  The closest thing would be Superior Ave. in terms of width (although it's not nearly as wide), but again, Superior has been cut down to one through lane, a dedicated bus lane, and a median.

Not to get off-topic but Central Parkway doesn't go through downtown, it's an edge of it, much like Ontario Street in Cleveland being just as wide and the edge of downtown.  Cincinnati has nothing as wide as Superior (or even Euclid) going through downtown, though.  Different downtown plans in different eras.
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Re: Cincinnati's Homeless Population
« Reply #61 on: July 12, 2018, 04:34:07 PM »
I agree Cleveland and Detroit are worse though.

Cleveland may have (marginally) wider downtown streets than Cincinnati, but I disagree that the feel is worse.

For example, Cleveland's "Main Street", Euclid Avenue, is probably as wide as Vine St. in Cincinnati, but the feel is worlds different.  There is a dedicated bus lane in each direction and one through travel lane.  Traffic moves very slowly and the sidewalks are wide, encouraging pedestrian activity.

Even a "highway feeder" like East 9th St., which is wider than Vine St. by one lane feels less like a highway due to having 2 through lanes in each direction plus parking.  The one way streets encourage people to drive faster and make the street feel less pedestrian friendly in my opinion.

Also, Cleveland has nothing like Central Parkway downtown.  The closest thing would be Superior Ave. in terms of width (although it's not nearly as wide), but again, Superior has been cut down to one through lane, a dedicated bus lane, and a median.

Not to get off-topic but Central Parkway doesn't go through downtown, it's an edge of it, much like Ontario Street in Cleveland being just as wide and the edge of downtown.  Cincinnati has nothing as wide as Superior (or even Euclid) going through downtown, though.  Different downtown plans in different eras.

I see what you mean on Central, but my point otherwise was that although Cleveland's streets are wider, they are two-way with less lanes in many instances so they don't feel as "anti-pedestrian" as the width would indicate in many places.

As far as the curb-to-curb width of Vine vs. Euclid...that wasn't my point.  My point was to walk down each and see how it feels.  I know that Cincinnati has narrower downtown streets.  That's why it's frustrating they aren't set up better.  One way streets wider than one lane are bad for everyone but people trying to get to the highway faster.

OK, back to homelessness...
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« Reply #62 on: July 12, 2018, 04:37:20 PM »
I don't disagree with any of that. :)
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« Reply #63 on: July 12, 2018, 04:43:53 PM »
I actually like one way streets as a pedestrian. When you're crossing, you only have to look one way. Jay-walking is extremely common in Downtown Cincinnati because you don't have to travel far to get to the other side, and you only have to worry about traffic from one direction. I know the argument is normally that two way traffic is better for pedestrians, but in a downtown environment, I'm not so sure. The one ways in places like Walnut Hills are awful because cars really do speed through and treat it like a freeway. Downtown has small block sizes (which is more important to the pedestrian experience than street width, imo) and each intersection has a traffic light, so cars are constantly stopping. It's very rare to be able to go more than a couple blocks downtown without hitting a red. I believe the streetcar has exposed this point well...

Perhaps this discussion could be moved to a different thread? I think it's very interesting, but yeah, doesn't have much to do with homelessness.

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« Reply #64 on: July 12, 2018, 05:07:04 PM »
Cincinnati's downtown was platted with a 33 foot measuring chain which is why the distance between property lines is 66 feet.  This is the case for all streets in DT and OTR with the exception of various postwar widenings (5th each of Government Square) and Liberty St.  Central Parkway and Eggleston took over the former state-owned canal lands and so do not match.

As I already wrote, Cincinnati's downtown streets originally had 40 feet between the curbs, but that was generally widened to 44 (four 11-foot lanes) feet in the early 1900s.   

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« Reply #65 on: July 16, 2018, 11:31:59 AM »
Great news guys. The city of Cincinnati have posted signs to the homeless camp to vacate the area in 72 hours or be arrested and put in jail.

Crews will later and come sanitize the area from all of the homeless residue and trash they left behind.

Finally the city doing something right for once.

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« Reply #66 on: July 16, 2018, 11:37:46 AM »
Good.  Now they need to clear out all the ones living on 3rd street. 

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« Reply #67 on: July 16, 2018, 11:38:44 AM »
That’s the plan!

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« Reply #68 on: July 16, 2018, 11:40:27 AM »
Really this just shows further reason why we need to cap FWW.  If there were actually buildings with some type of business on those blocks then homeless wouldn't be able to just camp on on the sidewalks. 

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« Reply #69 on: July 16, 2018, 11:41:19 AM »
I've always wondered why all of those benches were built down on Second and Third to begin with.  Who else was going to use them?

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« Reply #70 on: July 19, 2018, 10:53:10 AM »
Great now some of the idiots on city counsel are trying to delay cleaning out of the camp. 

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« Reply #71 on: July 19, 2018, 11:02:54 AM »
Great now some of the idiots on city counsel are trying to delay cleaning out of the camp. 

Tamaya Dennard on City Council, who was the one who propagated racism claims against a local business (which were proven to be lies based on police body camera footage), is the one leading the charge.  Instead of trying to come up with a compassionate and permanent solution to the problem she's pushing to allow the tent city to remain there.  *sigh*
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« Reply #72 on: July 19, 2018, 11:11:25 AM »
She's an idiot.  In no way should that tent city be allowed to stay there or anywhere in the city.  Allowing the homeless to setup up their own camps only furthers their problems and makes it worse for everyone.  Get them into homeless shelters where there are plenty of open beds and people/programs willing to help.  If they don't want to go to the shelters then find somewhere to live outside our city. 

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« Reply #73 on: July 19, 2018, 09:09:37 PM »
City Council threw a wrench into the plan to clean up the tent city:

City delays evicting downtown homeless camp

https://local12.com/news/local/city-delays-evicting-downtown-homeless-camp

The debate over forced evictions at a downtown homeless camp took over City Hall Thursday.

City leaders reached a compromise Thursday afternoon, which will delay those evictions at the camp under the bridge at Third and Plum streets.

On Monday, acting city manager Patrick Duhaney ordered the site be evicted and sanitized after concerns over a hepatitis outbreak. The people living in the camp were given 72 hours to gather their belongings and move. Anything left after 6 a.m. Friday would be thrown away. On Thursday, city leaders decided to extend that deadline until Wednesday, July 25.

About 50 people live in this camp. Sanitation conditions aren't good, with food and garbage littering the space and concerns over the hepatitis outbreak and drug abuse.


One of my biggest questions is why this camp moved from the more remote regions underneath the Brent Spence Bridge, where homeless have camped for the last few years, to prominent locations on 3rd Street. This happened very quickly. It seems like some sort of political stunt.

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« Reply #74 on: July 19, 2018, 10:11:19 PM »
Great now some of the idiots on city counsel are trying to delay cleaning out of the camp. 

Tamaya Dennard on City Council, who was the one who propagated racism claims against a local business (which were proven to be lies based on police body camera footage), is the one leading the charge.  Instead of trying to come up with a compassionate and permanent solution to the problem she's pushing to allow the tent city to remain there.  *sigh*

Fortunately there are 5 votes against her. Mann is a pragmatic for the most part but feels everyone needs an opportunity for their voice to be heard. He will give them a few extra days but then eventually side with the others and move them along. Dennard and Seelbach are in the minority on this.

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« Reply #75 on: July 20, 2018, 09:04:28 AM »
It seems like the "the idiots on city counsel" came up with a reasonable solution. Slightly delayed eviction (less than a week), a mobile health unit to check on the people there, and social services coming to try to get some of them to go to shelters. Not sure what better course of action could be taken to mitigate this issue in the short term.

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« Reply #76 on: July 20, 2018, 09:51:22 AM »
^ well if you are Tamaya Dennard you need a system of comprehensive rent control throughout the city and forcing permanent housing upon these people.

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« Reply #77 on: July 21, 2018, 02:20:12 PM »
I don't think the delay accomplishes anything. The mobile health unit was already stationed at the camp last week and various social services have been visiting for months. There appears to have been been zero progress made on relocating/housing people since the initial eviction notice went out. If anything, the population is going up - there were more tents there on Friday night than I've ever seen before.

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« Reply #78 on: July 22, 2018, 07:33:54 AM »
Most of the participants attempting to "solve" this problem assume that the "homeless" do not choose to live the way they do, or that they would prefer another lifestyle. Big mistake. No solution will work unless it is attractive to the "homeless" or, alternatively, combative beyond their comfort level. One or the other.  I'd say the least likely "solution" would be a shelter with typical rules: you know: no drugs, alcohol containers, weapons, sex, fires, etc.

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« Reply #79 on: July 22, 2018, 07:58:07 PM »
https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/downtown/homeless-camp-will-move-east-and-a-day-ahead-of-city-s-deadline-advocate-says

Homeless camp on 3rd st will nice day earlier on Tuesday. The camp will be relocated to a new designated homeless camping ground on the east side of the city.

I say we bring some of the homeless up to mason and west Chester. There are some great parking lots and underpasses and the rich white folks are surely compassionate to give some charity and reprieve to these struggling souls!

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« Reply #80 on: July 23, 2018, 08:33:25 AM »
Why are they allowing them to just setup a camp somewhere else?  The same situation of drugs, disease and garbage is just going to happen again in the new location. 

Also with this camp moving they now need to get all the squatters to move off of 2nd and 3rd St.  On my walk to work this morning the amount of people on 3rd has probably doubled since this camp story came out.  If they just allow they to stay then this entire process was completely pointless. 

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« Reply #81 on: July 23, 2018, 12:31:39 PM »
Since we aren't being told where the camp is moving we all get to speculate and wonder so my guess is here at the end of the drive to Adams Landing on Adams Crossing Drive. I cant see it being any further East than this and any closer is back in the CBD so this has to be it.


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« Reply #82 on: July 23, 2018, 04:44:50 PM »
This area is considered Downtown and is served by CPD's Central Business Section. Residents, including the current President of the DRC, just had the camp under Columbia Parkway removed back in June. Plus, most of the land is owned by Towne Properties.
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« Reply #83 on: July 24, 2018, 10:50:16 AM »
Another pause... City says there is no deal to allow homeless encampment to move to a new location


City's statement by Acting City Manager Patrick Duhaney:
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“Earlier today we received word that some confusing misinformation had made its way to the media regarding the Third Street camp and those currently living there. I want to help clarify what occurred and the City Administration’s position on the matter."

“On Friday, a group consisting of myself, a Councilmember and members of the Administration met with members of the Third Street camp to discuss their ideas for a possible long-term solution. A productive conversation took place but no decision was made and nothing was agreed to by the City. We look forward to more productive conversations in the future. However, the plan outlined during Council on Thursday, and then later in an FYI memo to the Mayor and Council, remains the only plan in place at this time.

To reiterate: We have not agreed to support relocating anyone from the camp to anywhere other than a designated shelter and/or a more permanent housing situation. This plan does not include any City support for relocating individuals to a new or different camp. The City has not agreed to let anyone or asked anyone to relocate the camp to any other part of Cincinnati."

Maslow’s Army president and co-founder Samuel Landis statement:
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"We are surprised and frustrated by the statement issued by the Acting City Manager. As disheartened as we are, we remain more committed than ever to advocate for the human rights and basic needs of people experiencing homelessness and poverty, including those who want or need to live outside.

"Throughout this process, we have been working with the Acting City Manager and several Members of City Council in good faith. On Thursday, we helped negotiate a compromise between them and the people residing in the tent city in the underpass near 3rd and Plum Streets. The Acting City Manager verbally agreed to allow some of the residents of the tent city to move to a new location if Bison got the residents to vacate the current location by Wednesday. Accordingly, on Friday, Acting City Manager Patrick Duhaney and Councilman Greg Landsman spent about 45 minutes driving around downtown with Bison and me scoping out potential locations to which residents of the tent city could relocate. They repeatedly expressed their support and approval for us to find a suitable location for the people who want or need to remain outside. They stated that they would work with us to draft and approve new ordinances and/or permitting processes but that Bison had their tacit approval to relocate in the meantime as a temporary solution.

"During the Council Meeting Thursday afternoon, Councilwoman Dennard agreed to convene a meeting on Monday with all key parties involved, including the leader of the tent city, Maslow’s Army, the Homeless Coalition, downtown residents, the Acting City Manager, her and other Members of Council to discuss and agree to specific next steps for the smooth relocation of the residents of the tent city. Unfortunately, yesterday they refused to hold such a meeting and instead only hosted a choreographed photo op at the tent city.

"In hindsight, we should have required that these agreements be put in writing. We will be working with the Homeless Coalition and others to ensure that the City follows through on their commitment to treat these people with the compassion and dignity they deserve."


In the meantime, the camp across the street from the East Garage on Pete Rose Way has grown from a couple of tents yesterday to a least a half dozen this morning.
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« Reply #84 on: July 24, 2018, 12:35:03 PM »
It's starting to seem like the city's lack of a coherent response is encouraging people to set up camp on 3rd Street. I wouldn't be surprised if people are getting word of this camp and moving there from shelters. In other words, the camp is actively encouraging homeless people to get back on the streets rather than off them.

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« Reply #85 on: July 24, 2018, 01:57:24 PM »
What a clusterfuck the politicians have made this

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« Reply #86 on: July 25, 2018, 10:53:45 AM »
So did they clear out the camp yesterday? 

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« Reply #87 on: July 25, 2018, 11:03:56 AM »
It was being cleared out this morning. It also looks like the city is putting up chain link fencing to close off access to the underpass.

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« Reply #88 on: July 25, 2018, 02:37:14 PM »
Now the bums who live on 3rd St (who have only increased since they closed the camp) held a press conference today and are making demands to the city.  Of course Josh Spring is the leader in this circus.  As laughable as it is that they call themselves "Residents of 3rd St" the city can't put up fencing to keep them off 3rd like they did for for the previous location.  They could keep running them off 3rd but surely they'll just keep coming back at a later time.  This has gotten completely out of hand and city needs to do something that will have a long term affect.  All this bad press has done is lead to more people having bad views of downtown.   


"Residents of Third Street met Tuesday evening. The group decided to make it clear that they are completely opposed to the removal actions the City of Cincinnati has taken against those who were living underneath Ft. Washington Way. Understanding that they are likely the city’s next target, the Residents who live on the sidewalk of Third Street are announcing that they do not intend to leave Third Street because of a city order, but instead demand that the city act on focused solutions to homelessness, which are affordable housing that is available for all, employment, mental health services when needed and access to additional basic necessities."

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« Reply #89 on: July 25, 2018, 03:06:26 PM »
Now the bums who live on 3rd St (who have only increased since they closed the camp) held a press conference today and are making demands to the city.  Of course Josh Spring is the leader in this circus.  As laughable as it is that they call themselves "Residents of 3rd St" the city can't put up fencing to keep them off 3rd like they did for for the previous location.  They could keep running them off 3rd but surely they'll just keep coming back at a later time.  This has gotten completely out of hand and city needs to do something that will have a long term affect.  All this bad press has done is lead to more people having bad views of downtown.   


"Residents of Third Street met Tuesday evening. The group decided to make it clear that they are completely opposed to the removal actions the City of Cincinnati has taken against those who were living underneath Ft. Washington Way. Understanding that they are likely the city’s next target, the Residents who live on the sidewalk of Third Street are announcing that they do not intend to leave Third Street because of a city order, but instead demand that the city act on focused solutions to homelessness, which are affordable housing that is available for all, employment, mental health services when needed and access to additional basic necessities."

Josh Spring gets under my skin he is only there to drum up the media and drama. He is never there to create lasting solutions. Biggest issue with many of the homeless is there are rooms at shelters and clinics for drug addiction. However many dont want to give up there life choices to try and better themselves in the long run. Another issue is many have mental issues, and since on a federal level mental health spending has been cut over the years the resources are just not as great for those with mental problems.