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Offline ColDayMan

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Re: Cincinnati's Homeless Population
« Reply #60 on: July 12, 2018, 04:20:09 PM »
I agree Cleveland and Detroit are worse though.

Cleveland may have (marginally) wider downtown streets than Cincinnati, but I disagree that the feel is worse.

For example, Cleveland's "Main Street", Euclid Avenue, is probably as wide as Vine St. in Cincinnati, but the feel is worlds different.  There is a dedicated bus lane in each direction and one through travel lane.  Traffic moves very slowly and the sidewalks are wide, encouraging pedestrian activity.

Even a "highway feeder" like East 9th St., which is wider than Vine St. by one lane feels less like a highway due to having 2 through lanes in each direction plus parking.  The one way streets encourage people to drive faster and make the street feel less pedestrian friendly in my opinion.

Also, Cleveland has nothing like Central Parkway downtown.  The closest thing would be Superior Ave. in terms of width (although it's not nearly as wide), but again, Superior has been cut down to one through lane, a dedicated bus lane, and a median.

Not to get off-topic but Central Parkway doesn't go through downtown, it's an edge of it, much like Ontario Street in Cleveland being just as wide and the edge of downtown.  Cincinnati has nothing as wide as Superior (or even Euclid) going through downtown, though.  Different downtown plans in different eras.
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Re: Cincinnati's Homeless Population
« Reply #61 on: July 12, 2018, 04:34:07 PM »
I agree Cleveland and Detroit are worse though.

Cleveland may have (marginally) wider downtown streets than Cincinnati, but I disagree that the feel is worse.

For example, Cleveland's "Main Street", Euclid Avenue, is probably as wide as Vine St. in Cincinnati, but the feel is worlds different.  There is a dedicated bus lane in each direction and one through travel lane.  Traffic moves very slowly and the sidewalks are wide, encouraging pedestrian activity.

Even a "highway feeder" like East 9th St., which is wider than Vine St. by one lane feels less like a highway due to having 2 through lanes in each direction plus parking.  The one way streets encourage people to drive faster and make the street feel less pedestrian friendly in my opinion.

Also, Cleveland has nothing like Central Parkway downtown.  The closest thing would be Superior Ave. in terms of width (although it's not nearly as wide), but again, Superior has been cut down to one through lane, a dedicated bus lane, and a median.

Not to get off-topic but Central Parkway doesn't go through downtown, it's an edge of it, much like Ontario Street in Cleveland being just as wide and the edge of downtown.  Cincinnati has nothing as wide as Superior (or even Euclid) going through downtown, though.  Different downtown plans in different eras.

I see what you mean on Central, but my point otherwise was that although Cleveland's streets are wider, they are two-way with less lanes in many instances so they don't feel as "anti-pedestrian" as the width would indicate in many places.

As far as the curb-to-curb width of Vine vs. Euclid...that wasn't my point.  My point was to walk down each and see how it feels.  I know that Cincinnati has narrower downtown streets.  That's why it's frustrating they aren't set up better.  One way streets wider than one lane are bad for everyone but people trying to get to the highway faster.

OK, back to homelessness...
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Re: Cincinnati's Homeless Population
« Reply #62 on: July 12, 2018, 04:37:20 PM »
I don't disagree with any of that. :)
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Re: Cincinnati's Homeless Population
« Reply #63 on: July 12, 2018, 04:43:53 PM »
I actually like one way streets as a pedestrian. When you're crossing, you only have to look one way. Jay-walking is extremely common in Downtown Cincinnati because you don't have to travel far to get to the other side, and you only have to worry about traffic from one direction. I know the argument is normally that two way traffic is better for pedestrians, but in a downtown environment, I'm not so sure. The one ways in places like Walnut Hills are awful because cars really do speed through and treat it like a freeway. Downtown has small block sizes (which is more important to the pedestrian experience than street width, imo) and each intersection has a traffic light, so cars are constantly stopping. It's very rare to be able to go more than a couple blocks downtown without hitting a red. I believe the streetcar has exposed this point well...

Perhaps this discussion could be moved to a different thread? I think it's very interesting, but yeah, doesn't have much to do with homelessness.

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Re: Cincinnati's Homeless Population
« Reply #64 on: July 12, 2018, 05:07:04 PM »
Cincinnati's downtown was platted with a 33 foot measuring chain which is why the distance between property lines is 66 feet.  This is the case for all streets in DT and OTR with the exception of various postwar widenings (5th each of Government Square) and Liberty St.  Central Parkway and Eggleston took over the former state-owned canal lands and so do not match.

As I already wrote, Cincinnati's downtown streets originally had 40 feet between the curbs, but that was generally widened to 44 (four 11-foot lanes) feet in the early 1900s.   

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Re: Cincinnati's Homeless Population
« Reply #65 on: July 16, 2018, 11:31:59 AM »
Great news guys. The city of Cincinnati have posted signs to the homeless camp to vacate the area in 72 hours or be arrested and put in jail.

Crews will later and come sanitize the area from all of the homeless residue and trash they left behind.

Finally the city doing something right for once.

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Re: Cincinnati's Homeless Population
« Reply #66 on: July 16, 2018, 11:37:46 AM »
Good.  Now they need to clear out all the ones living on 3rd street. 

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« Reply #67 on: July 16, 2018, 11:38:44 AM »
Thatís the plan!

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« Reply #68 on: July 16, 2018, 11:40:27 AM »
Really this just shows further reason why we need to cap FWW.  If there were actually buildings with some type of business on those blocks then homeless wouldn't be able to just camp on on the sidewalks. 

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Re: Cincinnati's Homeless Population
« Reply #69 on: July 16, 2018, 11:41:19 AM »
I've always wondered why all of those benches were built down on Second and Third to begin with.  Who else was going to use them?