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« Reply #270 on: May 17, 2018, 09:21:42 PM »
It's pretty obvious that they're going to want to do an L-shaped apartment building in this area:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1302764,-84.5217401,148m/data=!3m1!1e3

Hopefully the frat house at the corner and the Delta Delta Delta house will not be touched.  They aren't fancy homes but Clifton Ave. would lose some character in the way it was by the dreadful English-style Stratford Heights complex.  Two homes still stood in the grassy area until about 2012. 

This seems to me like the logical Phase 2 of the project.  Meanwhile, I can't predict what they have planned for the Goetz Building and the main hospital complex.  It looks like Goetz could be converted to apartments but I doubt they could get premium rents. 

The main building is a mess.  Do the floors stay level between the many sections?  I don't know.  The older sections are very narrow like the Goetz Building but the 1984 section is deep.  It's obvious that they had windowless offices in the middle of each floor.  So new apartments in that space would have to be narrow but deep.  Again, I'm suspicious that they won't be able to get premium rents and so that means the 1984 section has a date with the wrecking ball. 



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« Reply #271 on: May 17, 2018, 09:25:37 PM »
It looks to me like they could do just one big 4~ bedroom apartment per floor in the old section facing Clifton and get premium rents...they would certainly be unique apartments for the area:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1289325,-84.5206572,3a,28.2y,328.87h,96.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbkKUAudKo0j-iPdzZ4lUFA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Looks like traditional apartments could go in the 1950s~ section:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1297153,-84.5213162,3a,75y,186.75h,120.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suzlRfJPu2aM43xNU9_L1Fg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

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« Reply #272 on: May 18, 2018, 10:49:08 AM »
It looks to me like they could do just one big 4~ bedroom apartment per floor in the old section facing Clifton and get premium rents...they would certainly be unique apartments for the area:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1289325,-84.5206572,3a,28.2y,328.87h,96.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbkKUAudKo0j-iPdzZ4lUFA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Looks like traditional apartments could go in the 1950s~ section:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1297153,-84.5213162,3a,75y,186.75h,120.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suzlRfJPu2aM43xNU9_L1Fg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The footprint of the old hospital is over 6,000 sq ft. That would be a MASSIVE 4-bedroom apartment (even after you account for lost square footage for elevators/mechanicals/stairs/etc). I definitely hope they'd find a more efficient use than just putting one big apartment per floor, which would come out to an average of over 1,000 sq feet per bedroom. The developer is open to mixed use, so some portion of the building(s) could be used for hotel or office space.

The ~1950's addition has a footprint of about 7,000 sq ft.

The ~1980's addition has a footprint of about 18,000 sq ft.

The free-standing Goetz Center (at corner of Straight/University Ct) has a footprint of about 8,500 sq ft.


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« Reply #273 on: May 18, 2018, 11:03:13 AM »
It looks to me like they could do just one big 4~ bedroom apartment per floor in the old section facing Clifton and get premium rents...they would certainly be unique apartments for the area:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1289325,-84.5206572,3a,28.2y,328.87h,96.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbkKUAudKo0j-iPdzZ4lUFA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Looks like traditional apartments could go in the 1950s~ section:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1297153,-84.5213162,3a,75y,186.75h,120.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suzlRfJPu2aM43xNU9_L1Fg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The footprint of the old hospital is over 6,000 sq ft. That would be a MASSIVE 4-bedroom apartment (even after you account for lost square footage for elevators/mechanicals/stairs/etc).

I should have clarified I meant just the part facing Clifton, not the L along Straight.  I could see a fraternity or sorority renting out a space like that long-term. 

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« Reply #274 on: May 18, 2018, 11:49:32 AM »
Yes, I'm hoping they can save the original hospital building facing Clifton Avenue (and the smokestack!) but the later addition facing Straight Street can go.
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« Reply #275 on: May 18, 2018, 12:36:58 PM »
Yes, I'm hoping they can save the original hospital building facing Clifton Avenue (and the smokestack!) but the 1980s addition facing Straight Street can go.

What's funny (actually sad) about the original building is that it still has the original door but you can't use it, just like Christ Hospital.  There is enough space there for a bar patio if they were to put a restaurant of some sort into the first floor. 




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« Reply #276 on: May 18, 2018, 12:57:47 PM »
This may be getting a little far down the road, but with all this development coming to Straight St near Clifton, I wonder if there will be any demand for the vacant and underused parcels near the bottom of Straight St along McMicken and Central Parkway.

For example
https://tinyurl.com/yc74dvjd
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« Reply #277 on: May 18, 2018, 01:03:39 PM »
Yes, I'm hoping they can save the original hospital building facing Clifton Avenue (and the smokestack!) but the later addition facing Straight Street can go.

Yeah - I hope they keep the smokestack! I don't care much about saving the 1950's renovation or the Goetz Center (free-standing). If done properly, a renovation of 1980's addition could be cool (a bit like the 580 Walnut building downtown) and create a nice contrast with the historic hospital building on Clifton. The 1950's addition is almost certainly higher density than anything we'd get with new construction... and the rooftop probably has awesome views. So... I say leave it and renovate it.

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« Reply #278 on: May 18, 2018, 01:33:09 PM »
This may be getting a little far down the road, but with all this development coming to Straight St near Clifton, I wonder if there will be any demand for the vacant and underused parcels near the bottom of Straight St along McMicken and Central Parkway.

For example
https://tinyurl.com/yc74dvjd
https://tinyurl.com/yaj7bobh
https://tinyurl.com/yddh5sov

Developers seem to keep finding things to tear up on the top of the hill.  The big lot between Clifton, Probasco, and Riddle remains, and the Deaconess redevelopment could approach or surpass 1,000 housing units.

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« Reply #279 on: May 18, 2018, 01:52:02 PM »
^Being at the bottom of the hill is significantly less attractive because a) it becomes unwalkable to campus and b) loud noise from 75 and the screeching train tracks.

The big empty lots between Probasco, Clifton and Riddle are mostly owned by Tri-Health / Good Sam... so I assume they're planning to build something there. The one house at 328/330 Probasco might be holding out for a big payout.

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« Reply #280 on: May 18, 2018, 03:22:29 PM »
The big empty lots between Probasco, Clifton and Riddle are mostly owned by Tri-Health / Good Sam... so I assume they're planning to build something there. The one house at 328/330 Probasco might be holding out for a big payout.

Yeah, whoever that guy is, he's a genius.

McMicken/Tafel/Enslin/Eliza/Halstead is getting less-and-less seedy each year.  More UC and UC-type people are getting places down there to escape the high rents in CUF. 

That whole area was still bad news around 2012.  It's still not great but it's pretty okay compared to how it used be. 



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« Reply #281 on: May 19, 2018, 01:48:29 PM »
Where was the Marshall Ave. (ground level) subway stop supposed to be? The triangle between Marshall, Central Parkway, and Hallmar? Could it still be used?

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« Reply #282 on: May 19, 2018, 01:58:27 PM »
The station itself was immediately north of Marshall, currently the northbound lanes of I-75.  There was a bridge over Marshall for the tracks.  https://www.historicaerials.com/location/39.13216580911135/-84.53216671943665/1956/17

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« Reply #283 on: May 19, 2018, 03:03:40 PM »
^What's interesting is that the ROW was built over private land in this area, not in line with the canal, because they knew that trains could not maintain the design speed of 45mph around the curve.  One or two times I have attempted to take that curve on Central Parkway at 45mph and have nearly squealed the tires! 

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« Reply #284 on: May 21, 2018, 10:59:51 AM »
This thing is now another Puff smoke shop:
https://goo.gl/maps/fxV1vJGxd592

So there are now two Puff smoke shops on McMillan.  Puff east and Puff west. 

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« Reply #285 on: May 21, 2018, 11:48:29 AM »
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« Reply #286 on: May 22, 2018, 03:15:30 PM »
Maybe rename that stretch of McMillan "Puff Puff Pass?"

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« Reply #287 on: June 06, 2018, 09:21:18 PM »
CUF: 'Don't call us Clifton' - neighborhood reexamines identity



The Queen City neighborhood closest to the University of Cincinnati has for decades been colloquially referred to by the wrong name. Now, its neighborhood association is re-examining its identity with the possibility of rebranding the area.

CUF gets its name from the three communities that compose it: Clifton Heights, University Heights and Fairview. Neighborhood association president Linda Ziegler told me it has been called CUF as long as she can remember – since she got involved in the 1970s.

Yet the neighborhood association sent out a mailer to all residents announcing there would be two CUF Neighborhood Association meetings, on June 19 and July 17, to discuss the neighborhood's name and possibly rebrand it.

"Most people have no idea of any of the neighborhoods in Cincinnati. You ask most people, 'where's UC?' they say 'Clifton.' It's not," Ziegler told me. "People mostly just assume anywhere near the university is Clifton."

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« Reply #288 on: June 06, 2018, 09:25:44 PM »
I've said it before and I'll say it again, call it SoCal. Anything north of Calhoun can become a new NorCal neighborhood or combined with University into a new University Heights neighborhood.
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« Reply #289 on: June 06, 2018, 09:43:49 PM »
They should just call it Uptown.

It would make the most sense to merge Clifton and CUF (and maybe even Corryville) and call the whole area "Clifton" and use "Gaslight" and "Uptown" to distinguish the two halves, but something tells me the "real" Clifton residents would never let that fly. I'm curious what the actual legal process is for changing a neighborhood name - is there one? If a community council votes to change their name, is that it? Could CUF just vote to call themselves "Clifton" and de facto merge?

In the grand scheme of things, Cincinnati could probably merge half of its neighborhoods. Is there really a good reason to have two Fairmounts? Does Millvale really need to be distinguished from South Cumminsville? Why even have a South Cumminsville if the rest of Cumminsville rebranded as Northside? We should have 10-15 actual neighborhoods and keep the place names casual. That would give a bit more credence to fake neighborhoods like Brighton and Prospect Hill - places that somehow didn't manage to make the cut despite the fact that Cincinnati is inexplicably divided into 52 neighborhoods.

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« Reply #290 on: June 06, 2018, 10:52:54 PM »
CUF is a terrible name for a neighborhood. It’s an acronym for 3 sub-neighborhoods, and it sounds ridiculous.

I think Clifton Heights would be a logical name for the neighborhood. People already call the whole area Clifton, and ‘CUF’ is up the hill from Clifton, so it makes sense to me to call it Clifton Heights. Plus, I believe the Calhoun corridor is represented by the Clifton Heights CURC, or at least it used to be. CUF is just dumb.

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« Reply #291 on: June 07, 2018, 12:06:06 AM »
Uptown doesn’t work because that term is also used to describe the larger area that includes Clifton, CUF, and Corryville. CUF should simply become Clifton Heights.

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« Reply #292 on: June 07, 2018, 12:08:03 AM »
I remember a few years ago some realtors were advertising Avondale houses as “East Clifton.” By that standard, CUF could become South Clifton...

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« Reply #293 on: June 07, 2018, 02:04:39 AM »
Instead of it being an acronym, just make the neighborhood called "Cuf".  There might have been an infiltration of the CUF community council by a developer.  You know, the sort of developer who comes up with ridiculous stuff like DUMBO and SOBRO and Pietown and Washington Beach. 

I'm worried that we could see the area renamed something obnoxious like RASCAL (right against south Calhoun and Lyon) or YOURMOM (you are mostly on McMillan), 

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« Reply #294 on: June 07, 2018, 07:46:57 AM »
If they don't want to be called Clifton, calling themselves Clifton Heights doesn't solve that problem.

They should change it to University Heights if they change it and want a distinct identity. Otherwise, leave it alone.

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« Reply #295 on: June 07, 2018, 08:53:30 AM »
...You know, the sort of developer who comes up with ridiculous stuff like DUMBO... 

You do know this wasn't at all the result of a developer, right? It's exactly the opposite. It was locals in the neighborhood trying to come up with as unappealing name as possible to push developers away. It obviously didn't work, but zero developers had anything to do with the creation of DUMBO. Most older neighborhoods that are acronyms in east coast cities were also just locals trying to come up with a name that described their portion of an interconnected street grid. It wasn't to be trendy or catchy. It was a way to distinguish boundaries, however arbitrary, in a road system that didn't have any natural breaks other than big roads.

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« Reply #296 on: June 07, 2018, 09:02:52 AM »
If they don't want to be called Clifton, calling themselves Clifton Heights doesn't solve that problem.

They should change it to University Heights if they change it and want a distinct identity. Otherwise, leave it alone.

I like University Heights

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« Reply #297 on: June 07, 2018, 09:57:43 AM »
I've said it before and I'll say it again, call it SoCal. Anything north of Calhoun can become a new NorCal neighborhood or combined with University into a new University Heights neighborhood.

North of Calhoun can be Upper Calhoun, abbreviated UC.

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« Reply #298 on: June 07, 2018, 10:14:34 AM »
If they don't want to be called Clifton, calling themselves Clifton Heights doesn't solve that problem.

They should change it to University Heights if they change it and want a distinct identity. Otherwise, leave it alone.

"CUF" is a bad name (it's an ugly sound, hard to remember, and unclear what it includes) and I agree that anything with "Clifton" in it just adds to confusion, so I'm definitely in favor of replacing it with something clearer.

Related: it's unnecessary to have a separate neighborhood The Heights since it is basically is just UC's west campus, plus a couple of residential blocks to the west and the north of campus. Does The Heights even have a community council or any kind of organizing body? The only thing I could find is a defunct (last updated in 2013) Facebook page for The Heights Community Council, whose mission is "To make Clifton Heights livable, attractive, and sustainable, and preserve its cultural and historical heritage." So... it's part of "Clifton Heights"?  ???

I'd propose combining CUF and The Heights into a single entity, and call it "The Heights" (or possibly "University Heights", though that might create confusion since people currently refer "University Heights" as just the sub-neighborhood). The bit of The Heights that is north of MLK should become part of "Clifton". I think it makes sense for Burnet Woods to be under the purview of Clifton Town Meeting.

On Google Maps, it's currently a mess, with CUF, Clifton Heights, and The Heights... but no mention of University Heights or Fairview.

I included a proposed map showing what would be the new, unified neighborhood.






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« Reply #299 on: June 07, 2018, 10:22:47 AM »
Haha, CUF does sound like a wrestling territory in Idaho/Wyoming or something that you'd see a small blurb about in Pro Wrestling Illustrated in like 1992.