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Re: Cincinnati: CUF: Development and News
« Reply #270 on: May 17, 2018, 08:15:42 PM »
It's pretty obvious that they're going to want to do an L-shaped apartment building in this area:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1302764,-84.5217401,148m/data=!3m1!1e3

Hopefully the frat house at the corner and the Delta Delta Delta house will not be touched.  They aren't fancy homes but Clifton Ave. would lose some character in the way it was by the dreadful English-style Stratford Heights complex.  Two homes still stood in the grassy area until about 2012. 

This seems to me like the logical Phase 2 of the project.  Meanwhile, I can't predict what they have planned for the Goetz Building and the main hospital complex.  It looks like Goetz could be converted to apartments but I doubt they could get premium rents. 

The main building is a mess.  Do the floors stay level between the many sections?  I don't know.  The older sections are very narrow like the Goetz Building but the 1984 section is deep.  It's obvious that they had windowless offices in the middle of each floor.  So new apartments in that space would have to be narrow but deep.  Again, I'm suspicious that they won't be able to get premium rents and so that means the 1984 section has a date with the wrecking ball. 



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« Reply #271 on: May 17, 2018, 08:19:37 PM »
It looks to me like they could do just one big 4~ bedroom apartment per floor in the old section facing Clifton and get premium rents...they would certainly be unique apartments for the area:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1289325,-84.5206572,3a,28.2y,328.87h,96.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbkKUAudKo0j-iPdzZ4lUFA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Looks like traditional apartments could go in the 1950s~ section:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1297153,-84.5213162,3a,75y,186.75h,120.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suzlRfJPu2aM43xNU9_L1Fg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

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« Reply #272 on: May 18, 2018, 09:43:08 AM »
It looks to me like they could do just one big 4~ bedroom apartment per floor in the old section facing Clifton and get premium rents...they would certainly be unique apartments for the area:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1289325,-84.5206572,3a,28.2y,328.87h,96.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbkKUAudKo0j-iPdzZ4lUFA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Looks like traditional apartments could go in the 1950s~ section:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1297153,-84.5213162,3a,75y,186.75h,120.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suzlRfJPu2aM43xNU9_L1Fg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The footprint of the old hospital is over 6,000 sq ft. That would be a MASSIVE 4-bedroom apartment (even after you account for lost square footage for elevators/mechanicals/stairs/etc). I definitely hope they'd find a more efficient use than just putting one big apartment per floor, which would come out to an average of over 1,000 sq feet per bedroom. The developer is open to mixed use, so some portion of the building(s) could be used for hotel or office space.

The ~1950's addition has a footprint of about 7,000 sq ft.

The ~1980's addition has a footprint of about 18,000 sq ft.

The free-standing Goetz Center (at corner of Straight/University Ct) has a footprint of about 8,500 sq ft.


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Re: Cincinnati: CUF: Development and News
« Reply #273 on: May 18, 2018, 09:57:13 AM »
It looks to me like they could do just one big 4~ bedroom apartment per floor in the old section facing Clifton and get premium rents...they would certainly be unique apartments for the area:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1289325,-84.5206572,3a,28.2y,328.87h,96.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbkKUAudKo0j-iPdzZ4lUFA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Looks like traditional apartments could go in the 1950s~ section:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1297153,-84.5213162,3a,75y,186.75h,120.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suzlRfJPu2aM43xNU9_L1Fg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The footprint of the old hospital is over 6,000 sq ft. That would be a MASSIVE 4-bedroom apartment (even after you account for lost square footage for elevators/mechanicals/stairs/etc).

I should have clarified I meant just the part facing Clifton, not the L along Straight.  I could see a fraternity or sorority renting out a space like that long-term. 

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« Reply #274 on: May 18, 2018, 10:43:32 AM »
Yes, I'm hoping they can save the original hospital building facing Clifton Avenue (and the smokestack!) but the later addition facing Straight Street can go.
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« Reply #275 on: May 18, 2018, 11:30:58 AM »
Yes, I'm hoping they can save the original hospital building facing Clifton Avenue (and the smokestack!) but the 1980s addition facing Straight Street can go.

What's funny (actually sad) about the original building is that it still has the original door but you can't use it, just like Christ Hospital.  There is enough space there for a bar patio if they were to put a restaurant of some sort into the first floor. 




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« Reply #276 on: May 18, 2018, 11:51:47 AM »
This may be getting a little far down the road, but with all this development coming to Straight St near Clifton, I wonder if there will be any demand for the vacant and underused parcels near the bottom of Straight St along McMicken and Central Parkway.

For example
https://tinyurl.com/yc74dvjd
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https://tinyurl.com/yddh5sov

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« Reply #277 on: May 18, 2018, 11:57:39 AM »
Yes, I'm hoping they can save the original hospital building facing Clifton Avenue (and the smokestack!) but the later addition facing Straight Street can go.

Yeah - I hope they keep the smokestack! I don't care much about saving the 1950's renovation or the Goetz Center (free-standing). If done properly, a renovation of 1980's addition could be cool (a bit like the 580 Walnut building downtown) and create a nice contrast with the historic hospital building on Clifton. The 1950's addition is almost certainly higher density than anything we'd get with new construction... and the rooftop probably has awesome views. So... I say leave it and renovate it.

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« Reply #278 on: May 18, 2018, 12:27:09 PM »
This may be getting a little far down the road, but with all this development coming to Straight St near Clifton, I wonder if there will be any demand for the vacant and underused parcels near the bottom of Straight St along McMicken and Central Parkway.

For example
https://tinyurl.com/yc74dvjd
https://tinyurl.com/yaj7bobh
https://tinyurl.com/yddh5sov

Developers seem to keep finding things to tear up on the top of the hill.  The big lot between Clifton, Probasco, and Riddle remains, and the Deaconess redevelopment could approach or surpass 1,000 housing units.

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« Reply #279 on: May 18, 2018, 12:46:02 PM »
^Being at the bottom of the hill is significantly less attractive because a) it becomes unwalkable to campus and b) loud noise from 75 and the screeching train tracks.

The big empty lots between Probasco, Clifton and Riddle are mostly owned by Tri-Health / Good Sam... so I assume they're planning to build something there. The one house at 328/330 Probasco might be holding out for a big payout.

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« Reply #280 on: May 18, 2018, 02:16:29 PM »
The big empty lots between Probasco, Clifton and Riddle are mostly owned by Tri-Health / Good Sam... so I assume they're planning to build something there. The one house at 328/330 Probasco might be holding out for a big payout.

Yeah, whoever that guy is, he's a genius.

McMicken/Tafel/Enslin/Eliza/Halstead is getting less-and-less seedy each year.  More UC and UC-type people are getting places down there to escape the high rents in CUF. 

That whole area was still bad news around 2012.  It's still not great but it's pretty okay compared to how it used be. 



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« Reply #281 on: May 19, 2018, 12:42:29 PM »
Where was the Marshall Ave. (ground level) subway stop supposed to be? The triangle between Marshall, Central Parkway, and Hallmar? Could it still be used?

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« Reply #282 on: May 19, 2018, 12:52:27 PM »
The station itself was immediately north of Marshall, currently the northbound lanes of I-75.  There was a bridge over Marshall for the tracks.  https://www.historicaerials.com/location/39.13216580911135/-84.53216671943665/1956/17

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« Reply #283 on: May 19, 2018, 01:57:40 PM »
^What's interesting is that the ROW was built over private land in this area, not in line with the canal, because they knew that trains could not maintain the design speed of 45mph around the curve.  One or two times I have attempted to take that curve on Central Parkway at 45mph and have nearly squealed the tires! 

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« Reply #284 on: Yesterday at 09:53:51 AM »
This thing is now another Puff smoke shop:
https://goo.gl/maps/fxV1vJGxd592

So there are now two Puff smoke shops on McMillan.  Puff east and Puff west. 

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« Reply #285 on: Yesterday at 10:42:29 AM »
P Diddy Mini, P Poofy Bite-Size, and Poppa Diddy Diddy Puff Fun-Size.

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« Reply #286 on: Today at 02:09:30 PM »
Maybe rename that stretch of McMillan "Puff Puff Pass?"