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« Reply #210 on: March 20, 2018, 12:20:34 AM »
^I'd bet that the circumstances surrounding this incident were very unusual.  But then again, so are the circumstances surrounding many accidents. 

This article has some detail. The Sheriff's opinion based on the video is that the Uber was not at fault:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Exclusive-Tempe-police-chief-says-early-probe-12765481.php

Pushing a bicycle laden with plastic shopping bags, a woman abruptly walked from a center median into a lane of traffic and was struck by a self-driving Uber operating in autonomous mode.

“The driver said it was like a flash, the person walked out in front of them,” said Sylvia Moir, police chief in Tempe, Ariz., the location for the first pedestrian fatality involving a self-driving car. “His first alert to the collision was the sound of the collision.”

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From viewing the videos, “it’s very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode (autonomous or human-driven) based on how she came from the shadows right into the roadway,” Moir said. The police have not released the videos.

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« Reply #211 on: March 20, 2018, 10:01:20 AM »
from early reports someone stepped out into the street outside of a crosswalk right in front of the car. Hard for a computer to catch erratic pedestrians. Even harder when travelling 40 mph at night. A human likely would have hit the person too. There's only so much an autonomous car can detect. According to the driver behind the wheel (who wasn't actually driving at the time) he didn't see the pedestrian until they made contact.

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« Reply #212 on: March 21, 2018, 09:21:07 PM »
The video is out from the driverless Uber wreck.  The pedestrian, the driverless car, AND the standby driver mess-up, big-time.  The pedestrian was clearly jaywalking with their bicycle but there is no explanation for why the car didn't detect it.  Meanwhile, the backup driver was on Facebook or Twitter instead of paying attention to the road. 

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« Reply #213 on: March 21, 2018, 09:34:27 PM »
Most of this stuff is going to struggle with nighttime more than people think.

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« Reply #214 on: March 21, 2018, 10:57:11 PM »
^ I wonder how much the car relies upon input from the camera versus input from other types of sensors. The video makes it look like the woman came out of nowhere, but in reality the naked eye has a much higher dynamic range than the type of cameras used as dash cams. If the driver wouldn't have been looking down at her cell phone, she should have been able to see the woman crossing the street. If the car were using the same types of sensors park-assist technology has been using for over a decade now, it should have detected the pedestrian.

But of course, people will see this video and say "wow she came out of nowhere" and there probably won't even be a debate about these types of details. People assume video evidence tells the whole story when half the time it's completely misleading.

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« Reply #216 on: March 28, 2018, 02:32:54 AM »
What do those cities even get out of being Uber or Waymo's guinea pigs? Why the hell would cities want to be a test market before all the kinks are worked out? They enjoy feeling special?  :D  ::)

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« Reply #217 on: March 28, 2018, 09:35:02 AM »
What do those cities even get out of being Uber or Waymo's guinea pigs? Why the hell would cities want to be a test market before all the kinks are worked out? They enjoy feeling special?  :D  ::)

They get to say they're on the bleeding edge of technology.  In this case, literally. 

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« Reply #218 on: March 28, 2018, 03:22:30 PM »
What happens when you're pulled over by the police for traffic violations in a driverless car that wasn't in manual? Can you still face points and citations? How easy is it to prove you weren't in manual? Are you allowed to be intoxicated in a driverless car, as long as it's in auto?  Are you technically even operating it? Who should be issued the citation? SOMEONE is getting a citation because they have a quota to meet.

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« Reply #219 on: April 05, 2018, 07:12:06 PM »
At this juncture, Autopilot is a misnomer, as many others have observed. “This is not self-driving technology,” said Bryan Reimer, a research scientist and expert on autonomous vehicle technology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. “It’s a collaborative system that leaves responsibility for safety in the drivers’ hands and isn’t intended to let them sit in the back seat or pursue other activities while driving.” Even though some companies have said they plan driverless ride services in as little as two years, Reimer said full automation was likely to be many years or even decades in the future.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/04/05/with-tesla-in-a-danger-zone-can-model-3-carry-it.html


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« Reply #220 on: June 11, 2018, 11:08:50 PM »
Driverless pizza delivery developers acknowledge that it won't work as well in cities as in suburbs because drunks will harass the vehicle:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-11/nuro-s-driverless-cars-don-t-have-to-worry-about-passenger-safety

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« Reply #221 on: July 12, 2018, 05:50:31 PM »
Uber has cancelled its driverless car program in Pittsburgh.  We'd all love to know the real reasons, but we are left to speculate.