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Re: Hipsters
« Reply #240 on: November 16, 2012, 01:09:04 PM »
^I think we just described Anthrax.

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« Reply #241 on: November 16, 2012, 01:15:22 PM »
Retro late '80s thrash metalhead is actually an officially recognized form of hipster that I've seen on hipster identification charts. Don't get too crazy with your Skeletonwitch shirts, flip caps and giant Reebok high tops, people. And no blasting Heathen out of a Chevette.

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« Reply #242 on: November 16, 2012, 01:47:54 PM »
Can we just acknowledge that hipsterism is dead? The Gap and Kohl's probably do have a sh!t ton of "hipster" clothes available, which is a definitive sign of the movement's death. It's been absorbed and reappropriated by the mainstream.

No countercultural movement can be legitimate so many years after its beginning. Imagine someone trying to be "grunge" in 2005. There's your hipster in 2012. Just doesn't work.

Somewhere, there are cool kids living out whatever the new thing is now. They're just so cool they haven't been tagged with a label yet.

So you're saying we've moved into a post-ironic hipster culture?

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« Reply #243 on: November 16, 2012, 02:41:29 PM »
>your Skeletonwitch shirts

I went to Skeletonwitch's FIRST show ever, it was at The Union in Athens.  Saw them about 5 times their first year, back when they had Jimimi Shastina on bass.  They were hilarious, their singer was making fun of thrash metal between songs and everybody was cracking up because everyone knew Chase or Chance or whatever his name was and he was some mild mannered dude who suddenly took the stage howling "DIE-DIE-DIE-DIE-DIE-DIE!!!!".  Then by 2005 everybody started taking them seriously, when they released Beneath The Permafrost, or whatever that record was.  I remember this dude coming up to me at one of their shows telling me to "hey man this band is going to be international!".

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« Reply #244 on: November 16, 2012, 03:41:12 PM »
While I probably shouldn't be defending Gap or Kohl's, I don't think they ever jumped on the hipster bandwagon (other than narrowing cuts and cheaping out on material, but that's something different). Gap has been pretty generic for decades. It's not attention-grabbing clothing. It's similar to Levi's, just general San Francisco style. Hipster clothing is different.

...but it's not really about clothing. Being a hipster is about attitude and actions. Someone who dresses like a hipster isn't a hipster unless they live the lifestyle and have an unfriendly, snarky, judgmental attitude. To quote a college professor in San Francisco, "you've got all these hipster douchebags these days who don't want to work and think they're better than everyone else. They have no grit." A hipster is a douchebag on the opposite spectrum from the traditional fraternity/sorority douchebags.
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« Reply #245 on: November 16, 2012, 03:44:24 PM »
I partied with them one night when they were on tour with Toxic Holocaust and Municipal Waste in 2008. Their roadie/merch guy Cliff lived in Cincinnati at the time so they stayed at his house. I was friends with him and another guy who lived there who opened the show as local support. There's a picture out there of us, them and Joel from Toxic Holocaust chugging liquor in Cliff's kitchen.

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« Reply #246 on: November 16, 2012, 03:46:17 PM »
Can we just acknowledge that hipsterism is dead? The Gap and Kohl's probably do have a sh!t ton of "hipster" clothes available, which is a definitive sign of the movement's death. It's been absorbed and reappropriated by the mainstream.

No countercultural movement can be legitimate so many years after its beginning. Imagine someone trying to be "grunge" in 2005. There's your hipster in 2012. Just doesn't work.

Somewhere, there are cool kids living out whatever the new thing is now. They're just so cool they haven't been tagged with a label yet.

Hipsterism is mainstream in coastal cities. It was never counterculture except in flyover burgs. It just took elements from previous countercultures and ruined them.
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« Reply #247 on: November 16, 2012, 04:25:05 PM »
Boat shoes are back. Why not Jams? I am officially old when I remember a trend the first time. Ray Bans knock offs and Sperry boat shoes? I had both in 1985(?) when I was 8.

Personally I am trying to bring back Bass shors Dirty Bucs with the suede tops and crepe soles. No socks. I have a vintage pair from the 90s that I never wore that I found at my parents. My wife hates them of course.

Edit: sorry I missed a whole page before typing this.
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« Reply #248 on: November 16, 2012, 07:56:53 PM »
I was told the other day I am quasi-hipster because my glasses are a little thicker than wire rims, I wear modern fit dress pants and shirts, like to wear sweaters with collared shirts and ties, wear jackets/coats from The Gap, own a fedora, drink craft beer, like the city, have a beard, try different foods, think smoking a pipe would be awesome, and don't mind vinyl records.

I found this to be absurd as I've never drank PBR, have no tattoos/piercings, work an entry-level government job, and have never bought an article of clothing to wear seriously from a thrift store in my entire life. Heck, most of my wardrobe consists of stuff I bought on sale at Kohl's.

You were fine until you got to the fedora part.  Unfortunately, that’s a fatal flaw and makes you automatically qualify.

Also, the tightness of the modern fit pants is another issue.  If they are a slim cut, that’s fine, but “skinny” and beyond is another fatal flaw.


If it makes any difference, the only time I ever seem to wear the fedora is on Halloween. Even if I did wear it, I would wear it with a standard black suit. Is that "hipster"?

The pants are slim cut. No way would I ever wear that skinny stuff.

If anything, I'm more into the Mad Men look.
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« Reply #249 on: November 16, 2012, 07:59:05 PM »
think smoking a pipe would be awesome

come out of the closet hipster

Since I don't smoke I'm not worried about this one. Actually, probably the only reason I like pipes is because its what my grandfather smoked and I liked the smell of it.

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« Reply #250 on: November 18, 2012, 05:57:43 AM »
So am I the only one thinking there was some hipster out there, somewhere, who ironically voted for Romney?

I know tons of hipsters who voted for Romney! They were protecting the trust fund!

In Ohio? Yeah, that would be kind of interesting...

Going along with the economic stratification of post-2000 hipsters, it's likely the Romney hipsters are living in choice neighborhoods of New York, San Francisco, and Chicago. There are a lot of hipsters who are liberal in social interaction only. They like the drugs and sex, but they'll protect their money before anything else. When it comes to hipsters who don't have plans to retire by 30, I can't imagine why they'd vote for Romney. He looks like the angry stepfather who will grab their cigarettes and stomp them on the ground. He'll also never give them a job due to their tattoos and piercings.

I know I'm going to hate myself for asking but (Rose), here goes!  So that I can better understand you're answer,  where do you get this information?  Hipsters live in choice neighborhoods?  What is your definition of a choice neighborhood?   retire before 30??  Hell, before you can retire you need to have a job!

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« Reply #251 on: November 19, 2012, 11:02:26 AM »
Choice to them I guess. Hipster neighborhoods aren't for everyone as MTS is pointing out.


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« Reply #252 on: November 19, 2012, 11:28:26 AM »
think smoking a pipe would be awesome

come out of the closet hipster

Since I don't smoke I'm not worried about this one. Actually, probably the only reason I like pipes is because its what my grandfather smoked and I liked the smell of it.

You're hipster, bro.  Y U Mad?

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« Reply #253 on: November 19, 2012, 12:04:26 PM »
So that I can better understand you're answer,  where do you get this information?  Hipsters live in choice neighborhoods?  What is your definition of a choice neighborhood?   retire before 30??  Hell, before you can retire you need to have a job!

Mission District, which has become one of the most expensive/competitive places for housing in the United States. You don't need a job if you have a trust fund and a good portfolio manager. :wink: I didn't think the retired under 30 crowd existed, but lord it does!

I doubt most Midwestern hipsters live in choice neighborhoods (outside Chicago's Wicker Park), at least not in big numbers. Though does OTR have a good number of hipsters? That's a choice neighborhood by Ohio standards. Cincinnati is the next Oakland.
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Re: Hipsters
« Reply #254 on: November 19, 2012, 12:09:11 PM »
think smoking a pipe would be awesome

come out of the closet hipster

Since I don't smoke I'm not worried about this one. Actually, probably the only reason I like pipes is because its what my grandfather smoked and I liked the smell of it.

To be a true hipster, you have to smoke, at least cigarettes, but preferably weed too.

*But the whole "my grandfather smoked and I liked the smell of it" sounds like a hipster defense to me...

..."my grandfather liked skinny jeans and he always picked up the flappers."
..."my grandfather liked PBR and he worked in a factory in Wisconsin."
..."my grandfather went to art school and my mom was his printmaking instructor."
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« Reply #255 on: November 19, 2012, 12:22:22 PM »
So that I can better understand you're answer,  where do you get this information?  Hipsters live in choice neighborhoods?  What is your definition of a choice neighborhood?   retire before 30??  Hell, before you can retire you need to have a job!

Mission District, which has become one of the most expensive/competitive places for housing in the United States. You don't need a job if you have a trust fund and a good portfolio manager. ;) I didn't think the retired under 30 crowd existed, but lord it does!

I doubt most Midwestern hipsters live in choice neighborhoods (outside Chicago's Wicker Park), at least not in big numbers. Though does OTR have a good number of hipsters? That's a choice neighborhood by Ohio standards. Cincinnati is the next Oakland.

Only one neighborhood in the three cities mentioned.. (side eye)  Are those 100% those are residents?  Or are those coming into the neighborhood to party, hangout etc.

I don't know many that label themselves as hipsters and have trust funds.  Who are these people in the Under 30 and retired category.  I want to meet them!  I want to know how they did, so I can retire at 50!
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Re: Hipsters
« Reply #256 on: November 19, 2012, 12:25:44 PM »
Nobody labels themselves "Hipster".

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« Reply #257 on: November 19, 2012, 12:29:55 PM »
Nobody labels themselves "Hipster".

I'm going to disagree.    Just go to a local hipster venue where they will no doubt be in deep discussion about how mainstream has failed, while tweeting on the "next big thing" smart phone and wearing the same non conformist "uniform".

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« Reply #258 on: November 19, 2012, 12:35:43 PM »
^^We could go the obvious New York route, but everyone here knows about the jacked rents in Williamsburg, Park Slope, etc. I bet there are a lot of retired under 30 crowd in Brooklyn these days (or working in jobs with high income/low hours that are close to it).

Hipsters are not 100% of the Mission residents due to rent control and some long-standing native holdouts (thank God), but it's trending that way (natives are leaving in big numbers). These are San Francisco hipsters, meaning real money, and lots of it. There's no faking it since landlords do their homework and there is a line out the door in the hundreds. No one lives there cheaply unless they've been there 20 years and have rent control. New York has gotten similar. It's best to avoid hipster neighborhoods if you value your sanity!

Park Slope had a write-up in the popular New York hipster blog (already linked here, but it's a gold mine):

http://diehipster.wordpress.com/2012/04/01/park-slope-parents-vow-to-change-brooklyn/
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« Reply #259 on: November 19, 2012, 12:46:02 PM »
Nobody labels themselves "Hipster".

I'm going to disagree.    Just go to a local hipster venue where they will no doubt be in deep discussion about how mainstream has failed, while tweeting on the "next big thing" smart phone and wearing the same non conformist "uniform".

Second this. A lot of real deal hipsters are owning the label now. That's a sign of how big this culture has gotten. Being a hipster is no longer shameful. Now that it's big in the Midwest (even Detroit), it's acceptable everywhere. I know it sounds crazy, but Ohio is the next hipster central!
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« Reply #260 on: November 19, 2012, 02:16:21 PM »
If hipsters are calling themselves hipsters now, it is another sure sign the movement is dead. Rule #1 of being a legit hipster always has been and always will be denying you are one. Rule #2 is saying you hate hipsters.

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« Reply #261 on: November 19, 2012, 02:22:47 PM »
I'm post-hipster.

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« Reply #262 on: November 19, 2012, 02:23:09 PM »
^^I don't know about that. I consider it similar to how girls call each other sluts. A movement can't be dead if it's mainstream.
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« Reply #263 on: November 19, 2012, 02:24:01 PM »
from yesterday's NY Times. this explains everything!

How to Live Without Irony
By CHRISTY WAMPOLE

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/how-to-live-without-irony/?src=me&ref=general

If irony is the ethos of our age — and it is — then the hipster is our archetype of ironic living.

The hipster haunts every city street and university town. Manifesting a nostalgia for times he never lived himself, this contemporary urban harlequin appropriates outmoded fashions (the mustache, the tiny shorts), mechanisms (fixed-gear bicycles, portable record players) and hobbies (home brewing, playing trombone). He harvests awkwardness and self-consciousness. Before he makes any choice, he has proceeded through several stages of self-scrutiny. The hipster is a scholar of social forms, a student of cool. He studies relentlessly, foraging for what has yet to be found by the mainstream. He is a walking citation; his clothes refer to much more than themselves. He tries to negotiate the age-old problem of individuality, not with concepts, but with material things.

He is an easy target for mockery. However, scoffing at the hipster is only a diluted form of his own affliction. He is merely a symptom and the most extreme manifestation of ironic living. For many Americans born in the 1980s and 1990s — members of Generation Y, or Millennials — particularly middle-class Caucasians, irony is the primary mode with which daily life is dealt. One need only dwell in public space, virtual or concrete, to see how pervasive this phenomenon has become. Advertising, politics, fashion, television: almost every category of contemporary reality exhibits this will to irony.

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« Reply #264 on: November 19, 2012, 02:40:01 PM »
Bah, you just beat me to it!

This paragraph in the article frightened me

"Look around your living space. Do you surround yourself with things you really like or things you like only because they are absurd? Listen to your own speech. Ask yourself: Do I communicate primarily through inside jokes and pop culture references? What percentage of my speech is meaningful? How much hyperbolic language do I use? Do I feign indifference?"

Dear god...I think I might be a hipster

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« Reply #265 on: November 19, 2012, 02:43:32 PM »
It was 2-3 years ago that I started purging anything ironic from my life. All those t-shirts I bought in college from the thrift store wound up right back there. Once I spent enough time in the full-time work world I realized that the ironic stuff wasn't cool; it was just insulting.

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« Reply #266 on: November 19, 2012, 02:53:53 PM »
^^^ Interesting article, if a bit overstating the gravity of the issue. This part at the end stuck out at me as something I have tried to convey (even in this thread), but nowhere near as impactfully:
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People may choose to continue hiding behind the ironic mantle, but this choice equals a surrender to commercial and political entities more than happy to act as parents for a self-infantilizing citizenry.

I think she may be overstating things again, but the fact is you are failing if you are, e.g., expressing your anti-consumerist ethics through ironic materialism. Self-aware inauthenticity does not somehow yield authentic substance. This is the hipster fallacy.

I hadn't thought of it as a defense mechanism, but that is a good insight.

Edit: Here is where I said something like that on the first page of this thread:
self-consciousness of absurdity does not erase or redeem the absurdity.

I didn't explicitly extend the principle to consumerism or politics, but the maxim fits all fields of irony. It is especially relevant to things like that which should obviously be considered and acted upon with conviction. It is true, though, that many hipsters get serious about things like veganism and green transportation. We shouldn't discount that.
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« Reply #267 on: November 19, 2012, 03:01:10 PM »
If I sell something to someone or get free promotion from them, I definitely don't care if it was done ironcially. I still got your money.

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« Reply #268 on: November 19, 2012, 03:07:35 PM »
What sucks is you have to buy really expensive clothes in order to avoid buying stuff with logos. 

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« Reply #269 on: November 19, 2012, 03:09:07 PM »
Check this out: I have very very non-hipster friends who will say things like "I'm going out in OTR tonight so I am wearing my hipster outfit!" This is done and said with total sincerity, without a hint of irony.