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Re: Cleveland - Cudell/West Boulevard developments
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2012, 08:18:08 PM »
Im not getting too excited about this project.  I assume the same slum landlords will be running the show and it wont help the neighborhood much

It's a very rare slum landlord who will invest millions of dollars and navigate the expensive/time consuming/difficult LIHTC and Historic Preservation Tax Credit programs to renovate a building.

Very, very true.

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Re: Cleveland - Cudell/West Boulevard developments
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2012, 05:18:40 AM »
^ If you are a young professional, are you going to spend market rate on those?

If you are a young professional you likely wouldnt live in that neighborhood!
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Re: Cleveland - Cudell/West Boulevard developments
« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2012, 05:54:55 AM »
^ If you are a young professional, are you going to spend market rate on those?

If you are a young professional you likely wouldnt live in that neighborhood!

That is what I was hinting at.  If you are going to spend market rates on living space, i would venture to say the majority of folks will not pick that area.  Im not speaking of Detroit-Shoreway as a whole, just where these units are located.

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« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2012, 06:04:23 AM »

At least they're getting some TLC. That increases the chances that they'll be around maybe for a future wave of gentrification.
This part of D-S is admittedly rough but it has some interesting architecture and urban-living. I plan on taking more pictures of it some time.

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« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2012, 06:07:11 AM »
^ i would assume.  Correct me if im wrong.  If you are a young professional, are you going to spend market rate on those?

Why would you say that without knowing all the details?

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Re: Cleveland - Cudell/West Boulevard developments
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2012, 06:48:04 AM »
This has been moved over to the West Blvd. thread.  This is definitely not Detroit Shoreway.

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Re: Cleveland - Cudell/West Boulevard developments
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2012, 07:17:47 AM »
Im not getting too excited about this project.  I assume the same slum landlords will be running the show and it wont help the neighborhood much

It's a very rare slum landlord who will invest millions of dollars and navigate the expensive/time consuming/difficult LIHTC and Historic Preservation Tax Credit programs to renovate a building.

It's free money from the government in the form of tax credits so spending a little money upfront to get the credits means the project will be a cash cow for at least another 15 yrs as low income rentals.  And using Pella windows doesn't mean jack squat either.

The Italian restaurant on the corner hasn't been vacant that long, maybe a year & half.  It was on the market for sale prior to that but was open & active up until 3 yrs ago.  I'm sure the owner got zero interest considering it's surrounded by low income apartments.  It's too bad, a friend of mine used to be chef there.

There was actually a planning study done to narrow Detroit down in that very area to make it easier for pedestrians to cross.  I think it was posted somewhere on the City planning website under neighborhood plans...

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Re: Cleveland - Cudell/West Boulevard developments
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2012, 08:01:52 AM »
It's free money....if you take the time and have the not inconsiderable expertise to get it.  I don't know many slum landlords that do.  Completing the LIHTC application process isn't like filling out an application for a summer job, the application ends up being 2 inches thick by the time one is completed (to give some sense of the complexity and amount of work that has to be done).  It certainly could be a slum landlord who is doing this, but I doubt it.  So does anyone actually know anything about the people who are redeveloping this property?  Or are we all just assuming?

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« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2012, 08:09:08 AM »
I already noted up thread that the developer is the Ferchill group, I've worked with them before and they are no slum landlord, nor are they amateurs in anyway.  I know what it takes to apply for LIHTC's and historic tax credits and Ferchill has plenty of accountants and architects and other experienced professionals who can handle it.

I never made a comment about the project being owned or managed by a slum landlord, but just that it was disappointing the entire site was going back as low income housing after the renovation. 

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« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2012, 09:02:43 AM »
This has been moved over to the West Blvd. thread.  This is definitely not Detroit Shoreway.

The redevelopment at 8700 Detroit Ave is actually Cudell -- barely. If it was one block east, it would be in Detroit-Shoreway.....

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Re: Cleveland - Cudell/West Boulevard developments
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2012, 11:21:15 AM »
I never made a comment about the project being owned or managed by a slum landlord, but just that it was disappointing the entire site was going back as low income housing after the renovation. 

Fair enough.  Others did say "slum landlord".

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Re: Cleveland - Cudell/West Boulevard developments
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2012, 11:36:17 AM »

This has been moved over to the West Blvd. thread.  This is definitely not Detroit Shoreway.

I asked yesterday but got no takers. Im impressed that you definitely know (applaud)... 'cause it is literally straddling the border.
JMO though...the part of Franklin that accesses these terrace rows seems like the D-S Franklin. I think RR tracks(?) cut Franklin in two (near W. 85th).

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Re: Cleveland - Cudell/West Boulevard developments
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2012, 12:43:31 PM »
Ooh, that's my mistake, I thought we were just talking about the ones at West Boulevard.

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Re: Cleveland - Cudell/West Boulevard developments
« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2012, 06:27:22 PM »

Some of the interesting apts and homes on W. 101st near the Boulevard terrace rows















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« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2012, 11:34:20 PM »
I know this sounds like I'm over-analyzing, but when an apartment building still has a glass door that's either A. still intact, or B. hasn't been replaced by a steel door, the neighborhood can't be that bad.
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« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2012, 05:16:30 AM »
I know this sounds like I'm over-analyzing, but when an apartment building still has a glass door that's either A. still intact, or B. hasn't been replaced by a steel door, the neighborhood can't be that bad.

.....Nor are there any bars on the first floor windows.

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Re: Cleveland - Cudell/West Boulevard developments
« Reply #46 on: August 05, 2012, 08:38:17 PM »
I am thankfull for these improvements. I grew up in these apartments. Right on Madison Ave. At the time I was living there 20+ years ago we had a sense "community" but as everyone grew up and moved on the place changed. People forgot to take pride in where they lived. No matter if you were poor or had money the Boulevard was always nice. But within the last 10-15 years the place had gone down. I know of one building that was so riddle with mold that they had to condemn it. I hope this can bring some "life" to the area. Even though I have been gone from the area for MANY years I will always have fond memories of living in that neighborhood.

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« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2012, 09:42:46 AM »
I am thankfull for these improvements. I grew up in these apartments. Right on Madison Ave. At the time I was living there 20+ years ago we had a sense "community" but as everyone grew up and moved on the place changed. People forgot to take pride in where they lived. No matter if you were poor or had money the Boulevard was always nice. But within the last 10-15 years the place had gone down. I know of one building that was so riddle with mold that they had to condemn it. I hope this can bring some "life" to the area. Even though I have been gone from the area for MANY years I will always have fond memories of living in that neighborhood.

THanks for your insights on the neighborhood. And welcome to the forum.

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« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2012, 10:34:57 AM »
Welcome craftygrl5. Hope you keep on postin' here!
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« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2012, 02:26:02 AM »
Good morning to all. I've followed urban Ohio for some time and finally joined the fray.

Now correct me if I am wrong, but the renovation of the building to the west of the former Palazzo restaurant right at the corner or Berea road and Detroit is seeing some results. On the street level, one of the storefronts that was previously sealed up is now restored with pane glass and is visible inside to be a laundromat.

Encouraging sign for the neighborhood.

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« Reply #50 on: August 07, 2012, 09:56:32 AM »
Good morning to all. I've followed urban Ohio for some time and finally joined the fray.

Now correct me if I am wrong, but the renovation of the building to the west of the former Palazzo restaurant right at the corner or Berea road and Detroit is seeing some results. On the street level, one of the storefronts that was previously sealed up is now restored with pane glass and is visible inside to be a laundromat.

Encouraging sign for the neighborhood.

It's very cool to see progress, I especially like the balcony/deck they installed.

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« Reply #51 on: August 07, 2012, 10:26:43 PM »
Welcome, Sjwillsey2222!
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Re: Cleveland - Cudell/West Boulevard developments
« Reply #52 on: August 08, 2012, 08:50:52 PM »
I've been biking through this area all summer long and it feels as an up and coming low income neighborhood with serious potential.

I even took my daughter to the Cuddell Recreation Center's pool and water park.

This neighborhood is very diverse (white, black, Hispanic) and everyone I've run into so far has been very nice and courteous.

I'm glad they are redoing these buildings and I hope for even more to happen in the neighborhood.

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« Reply #53 on: October 21, 2012, 09:40:38 AM »
I think the city should ask itself if Detroit Ave really needs to be seven (!!) lanes wide ride there.

This area is unfortunately a huge cut through at rush hour. Because the innerbelt backs up daily, many commuters take I-90 to 2 and then go up West Blvd and reconnect to 90 West and vice versa for the opposite commute. You've got a turn lane for West Blvd (that regularly is so long that it takes up the second lane), and then another turn lane for Berea Road, then two through lanes that immediately go to one at the Chicle building.

Sadly Cleveland just recently EXPANDED West Blvd northbound to 2 lanes a few weeks ago north of Detroit. They did this by removing street parking, shrinking a turn lane, and repainting stripes.

The increased cut through traffic the past 2 years has been unreal. But there's always been problem for pedestrians trying to cross at both West Blvd/Detroit intersections to get to the rapid stop. Anytime you've got a pedestrian walkway crossing a multi-lane turn you're going to get safety issues. Currently, you can only cross Detroit on the west side of West Blvd from the rapid stop, but many people will still try to cross on the east side where there are no markings.

The terrace rowhouse rehabs look really great, but I wonder how long the facades will be kept up. I'm hoping some attractive landscaping in the spring time will help. This neighborhood anywhere else would be insanely different. You have direct rail access to downtown Cleveland (11 mins) Direct access to Hopkins Airport (15 mins) direct access to Lake Erie and Edgewater Park, yes that's just 5 blocks to the north without any impediments! You have a ton of medium to high density apartments (half vacant) surrounding a rapid stop. You have a historic commercial strip. You have gorgeous tree lined streets with beautiful homes. Any 5 story or taller apartment building would have Lake Erie views here as it sits just on the secondary lake edge bluff.

Theoretically this should be one of the most desirable neighborhoods in Cleveland and if this were any other large city it would be. Yet it blows my mind how this is arguably the worst section of Detroit Avenue, and the neighborhood is not on Cleveland's long list of up an coming areas.

However, I would say that if we were to have a sudden energy crisis, that could be a huge game changer for the neighborhood. It has all the elements needed that make a neighborhood successful, it's just severely lacking investment. A sudden jolt in the price of oil and rest assured, this will be one of the first areas in Cleveland to see development, rehabs, and an influx of new residents as a sound infrastructure is already in place.

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Re: Cleveland - Cudell/West Boulevard developments
« Reply #54 on: October 21, 2012, 10:22:09 AM »
I wonder if when the second Innerbelt bridge is built and the Innerbelt trench widened, if it will reduce traffic here as well, since that project is meant to reduce congestion amongst other things.

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« Reply #55 on: October 21, 2012, 12:27:45 PM »
It most definitely will.  Lots of people using West Blvd to cut from 90 to the Shoreway.   Once the Innerbelt is done the reduction in traffic should be very noticeable, which further supports the argument to reduce it to a boulevard and get rid of the freeway section.

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« Reply #56 on: October 21, 2012, 09:14:58 PM »
Well said, WestBLVD. Alas, I suspect the cut-through traffic is what is holding back that neighborhood. Even before the Inner Belt construction, many West Park residents heading to downtown came this way, via Triskett-Berea-Detroit-West Blvd-Baltic-Shoreway. A little traffic calming on Detroit Avenue in the vicinity of the Rapid station could do wonders. Even a landscaped median like on Bagley Road near Baldwin-Wallace University in Berea would help a lot.
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« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2012, 10:07:58 PM »
^^^WestBLVD, I totally agree with you and, as Bill Clinton would say: feel your pain.  It is frustrating why a neighborhood with so many pluses has basically been left to go to seed... The good news, of course, is that developers like the Marouses are nibbling at the edges; rehabbing these beautiful old row/terrace buildings in the area (including those next to the Rapid tracks on the opposite side of the lot where the demolished factory was).  You've got Chicle on the other side of the RR tracks, with Edgewater, on one flank and Detroit Shoreway on the other.  You'd have to believe spillover is going to positively affect Cudell at some point.

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« Reply #58 on: October 22, 2012, 10:56:02 AM »
The apartment renovation at West and Madison looks great! There seems to slowly be more investment into the neighborhood, but as stated, the walkability can be terrible!

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« Reply #59 on: October 22, 2012, 11:32:25 AM »
^the entire front side of this development is along Madison, which has excellent walkability.  Too bad it's all rundown storefronts & pawnshops....

The railroad tracks, both Norfolk Southern & the RTA tracks, really sever this neighborhood from the rest of the Edgewater area.  Going on the north side of the tracks by Baltic, you're back to solid single family homes and decent neighborhoods...