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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2012, 01:32:02 PM »
^According to the very first line in this thread.....

Look for a press release any day now on the final development plan for "Lot 45". 

Yes, but I'm impatient and news hungry. I want info NOW!


BTW, the text below in bold is the part I'm surprised and pleased to hear....

Yes, with a few small changes, but overall same layout.  Image above shows parking structure as the tallest, but proposal I saw had the other buildings projecting a few floors above the deck, highest being 10-12 stories.  E. 117th disappears along the RR, Circle drive continues across Mayfield & wraps around the back to reconnect to E. 117th.  Courtyard in the center was much smaller, more like a lightwell.  Also included developing the lot across on south side of Mayfield in front of the existing parking structure, closing Mayfield in with buildings along this section.
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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2012, 01:45:46 PM »
Regarding the parking: I had a chance to take a tour of UC with Chris Ronayne last week, and it was pretty impressive, if I do say so myself. He has some grand plans for expanding development into East Cleveland and Glenville. He sees UC as being a good neighbor by encouraging spinoff development in the surrounding neighborhoods

But he mentioned how many people that commute into UC complain of the limited parking. His response was they should take the bus, as he wants UC to be a dense walkable environment, where parking is not placed at a premium. His comment was that he doesn't want a single surface parking lot in UC. I thought that was pretty exciting to hear.

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2012, 01:49:14 PM »
^Love hearing that.  Wish he would have a talk with the powers at the Cleveland Clinic who seem to be in the surface parking lot expansion business lately.
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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2012, 01:51:38 PM »
By the way, with all the details that Gottaplan has provided I notice that he did not indicate "which" developer won.  I have my fingers crossed that it is not Coral.

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2012, 04:04:09 PM »
By the way, with all the details that Gottaplan has provided I notice that he did not indicate "which" developer won.  I have my fingers crossed that it is not Coral.

Why?
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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2012, 08:39:15 PM »
Here is what I've been able to piece together from several sources:

http://neo-trans.blogspot.com/

The potential tenants are very exciting. I hope they sign leases, not just letters of intent!
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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2012, 08:43:17 PM »
^ Those are some big names!

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2012, 09:49:46 PM »
KJP, where did you get those company names??

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2012, 09:51:34 PM »
^^Except for the architect...  It's not like we need flashy starchitects for everything, but I find biolosky's stuff a bit meh.

But seriously, if that tenant roster is at all correct, just wow.  Thanks KJP for the digging!
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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2012, 10:03:31 PM »
I hope the sources gave me good info. I will be just as disappointed as you if they turn out to be untrue. But I got a tip and a second source confirmed it, so I felt comfortable enough to blog it.
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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2012, 11:45:24 PM »
Well KJP your post about Coral being the developer has tempered my enthusiasm a bit.

You asked why I was  hoping they did not win the development prize....Never have been impressed by much of what they have done, especially University Square at the corner of Taylor and Cedar.  Just as bad or worse is their re development of Cedar Center.

Moreover they have a rep for proposing grand plans and then things falling through.  The Cleveland Heights development you detailed in your blog is one example as well as a huge make over of downtown Solon.  If I recall correctly they also had some really big plans for Shaker Square when they became involved there (lots of proposed new apartment buildings) and nothing came of it.  Of course much of this was due to the economy and the financing drying up but not all.  My biggest problem with them is they are just lowest commom denominator much of the time.  Hopefully UCI will pressure them to follow through with the vision.

By the way, the tenant list you noted does not make much sense to me but I hope you are right.

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2012, 07:47:27 AM »
On the contrary, if that tenant list proves to be true, I can see that making a lot of sense. Case is primarily an engineering school, so I can see it making sense from recruitment. The real estate is relatively inexpensive, so it can also be a cheap launching point to recruit from east coast schools as well. Also, if those firms are interested in branching into health care related technologies (e.g. Electronic Health Records), being in UC makes a lot of sense. You're surrounded by hospital systems that are early adopters of this type of technology and you can learn from them what works, and more importantly, what doesn't work.

I hope this is true, because it's very exciting .

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2012, 07:58:18 AM »
As I understand, one of the goals of the "tech ribbon" tenants is to continue working to improve "virtual surgery" and teaching new techniques in the operating room.  Technology currently exists to use literally hundreds of cameras to create a 3D virtual world in an operating room, and teach new surgery techniques to students anywhere in the world.  UCI could become a focal point for growing and improving this technology.

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2012, 08:23:41 AM »
These parking perceptions are always super frustrating for a million reasons.  I dream of a not-too-distant-future where there is enough of a built-in or urban-savvy customer base for UC businesses that the neighborhood planning doesn't have to focus so much on lowest common denominator parking perceptions.

Question for folks: are the existing UH garages already open to the general public, or just to UH workers and patients?  Are these garages generally sitting mostly empty on evenings and weekends?

Not to thread de-rail, but the UH garages that I've parked in (on Cornell and Circle Drive) are open to the public and don't require any verification [of where you're going], at least during the weekdays, daytime hours.

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2012, 08:29:40 AM »
I can believe the tenant list.  It's not like they are re-locating HQs here.  All those companies in 27,000sf seems to hint at just some outreach offices.

I agree with Htsguy in being disappointed if Coral is the developer as they do tend to sell their services on grand plans and then scale back significantly after being awarded the project.  But I do trust UCI, so we'll see what happens.

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2012, 08:39:12 AM »
one thing worth noting is that UCI does not plan to sell the property - they are looking to do a long term lease of the land.  This is very interesting as it allows UCI to retain site control, but also changes some things for the developer to get financing.

Hts121 - correct, they are not relocating HQ to this site, but they do plan to have a presence on the site which could grow into something more down the road.

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #46 on: February 23, 2012, 08:55:36 AM »
Will Coral be the 'developer'..... or are they just being retained as the 'construction manager' or 'general contractor'?

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #47 on: February 23, 2012, 10:20:51 AM »
I can believe the tenant list.  It's not like they are re-locating HQs here.  All those companies in 27,000sf seems to hint at just some outreach offices.

Exactly... 27,000 SF of offices would equate to roughly 100 employees between all those firms.

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #48 on: February 23, 2012, 10:30:02 AM »
Quick preservation note:

E.117 is pure 100-year old red brick.  I wonder if this can be saved or recycled?

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #49 on: February 23, 2012, 11:14:06 AM »
^^Except for the architect...  It's not like we need flashy starchitects for everything, but I find biolosky's stuff a bit meh.

But seriously, if that tenant roster is at all correct, just wow.  Thanks KJP for the digging!

Really a shame about Bialosky too because they are given a lot of great opportunities.

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #50 on: February 23, 2012, 11:33:15 AM »
^^Except for the architect...  It's not like we need flashy starchitects for everything, but I find biolosky's stuff a bit meh.

But seriously, if that tenant roster is at all correct, just wow.  Thanks KJP for the digging!

I believe Bialosky did a lot of the design work at Crocker Park...



Really a shame about Bialosky too because they are given a lot of great opportunities.

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #51 on: February 23, 2012, 12:33:15 PM »
^^Except for the architect...  It's not like we need flashy starchitects for everything, but I find biolosky's stuff a bit meh.

But seriously, if that tenant roster is at all correct, just wow.  Thanks KJP for the digging!

I believe Bialosky did a lot of the design work at Crocker Park...



Really a shame about Bialosky too because they are given a lot of great opportunities.

You think that's a good thing?

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #52 on: February 23, 2012, 01:00:13 PM »
Can someone help me visualize where this is?  I think I have an idea, but I'm not certain... Thanks!

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #53 on: February 23, 2012, 01:02:28 PM »
Will Coral be the 'developer'..... or are they just being retained as the 'construction manager' or 'general contractor'?

KJP's link says that Coral partnered with Panzica, a very well established construction company

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #54 on: February 23, 2012, 01:03:57 PM »
^^See KJP's post on page 1 of this thread which has a very good diagram.

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #55 on: February 23, 2012, 01:05:01 PM »
Can someone help me visualize where this is?  I think I have an idea, but I'm not certain... Thanks!

KJP posted a graphic on the first page that will make it absolutely clear for you.

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #56 on: February 23, 2012, 01:58:44 PM »
Sounds very exciting -- I agree with Htsguy, Coral's (potential) involvement makes me cringe... A couple comments re KJP's "scoop":

- I'm glad about the idea offices and the "Tech Ribbon", but 27K sq/ft isn't a ton of office space.

- I guess we are safe to assume that the proposed 12-story building, a high rise, will be the residential unit. 

- Any idea of what type of development (residential or commercial) development may spill over to the empty UH lots on the south side of Mayfield -- or is UH, itself, interested in developing this land?

- quote: "The Lot 45 development will include improved pedestrian access along Mayfield under the railroad bridges to the planned Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority Red Line rail station and to Little Italy." -- (probably best addressed to RTA): is there any thought of extending the planned Red Line (station) head house, to be located East of the tracks, all the way under the railroad bridge, for a western entrance, as opposed to forcing pedestrians to walk under low railroad bridges (with, I think, 4 sets of freight RR tracks) on a probably claustrophobic Mayfield sidewalk?

-- I'm hoping such high-density development at this sight, in the Uptown district, generally, will encourage RTA to extend the Red Line to Euclid in it's current form: heavy rail rapid transit, and not BRT, diesel commuter, etc... but that's for the CLE transit future plans thread, I know.

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #57 on: February 23, 2012, 02:14:51 PM »
^Yesterday, I believe somebody posted a UCI document in the University Circle thread which showed, among other things, a cool proposed rendering of a Phase 2 apartment building on the corner of Mayfield and Ford across from the MOCA.  As part of that document was a rendering of what I am assuming is still a conceptual idea for the underpass and it showed it as gleaming and well lit.  It actually looked kinda neat.  Of course who knows if this is a firm proposal and if there is $$$ for it.

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #58 on: February 23, 2012, 02:40:45 PM »
^Yesterday, I believe somebody posted a UCI document in the University Circle thread which showed, among other things, a cool proposed rendering of a Phase 2 apartment building on the corner of Mayfield and Ford across from the MOCA.  As part of that document was a rendering of what I am assuming is still a conceptual idea for the underpass and it showed it as gleaming and well lit.  It actually looked kinda neat.  Of course who knows if this is a firm proposal and if there is $$$ for it.


If I remember right, this was actually an underpass in NYC that was being used as an example.

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Re: Cleveland: University Circle "Intesa" development
« Reply #59 on: February 23, 2012, 05:19:21 PM »
^That's definitely what it said.  But even if it's not quite that fancy, I'm pretty sure improving that pedestrian route is a significant priority in this project, as it is with the UC rapid station design.