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One city's "solution" to homelessness
« on: May 05, 2011, 04:41:36 PM »
ClevelandOhio's ongoing discussion:

Atlantic City looks to bus more homeless back home

ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. Ė Larry Bogan knows precisely how much it costs for a bus ticket from Atlantic City back home to Pompano Beach, Fla.: $126. Unfortunately, that's $126 more than he has at present.

And so instead of cooking in a restaurant or driving a tractor trailer for someone like he used to do, Bogan eats at a soup kitchen and sleeps on park benches or in a train or bus station each night. He's one of about 500 homeless people living in the nation's second-largest gambling market.

Reducing Atlantic City's homeless population is a key element of a new effort to help the struggling casino resort get back on its feet after more than four years of plunging revenues, lost market share and layoffs. A state agency plans to allocate just under $100,000 to a local homeless shelter to buy bus or plane tickets back home for any homeless person who wants to leave.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110501/ap_on_re_us/us_atlantic_city_homeless
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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2011, 02:38:56 AM »
Wish we can bus  criminals back home.

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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2011, 07:11:33 AM »
I do believe DCI (Downtown Cincinnati, Inc.) pays for one way bus tickets to homeless people to send them back home if: 1) they have a family/friends support structure that is not in Cincinnati, 2) the family/friends are willing to accept them back and 3) they want to leave, but can't afford to.  Anyone else hear about this program?  I'm recalling this from a presentation made on a variety of topics a year or two ago.
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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2011, 09:01:29 AM »
If every city did this, wouldn't we just be paying to bus homeless people around the country, and ending up with roughly as many being bussed in as being bussed out?

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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2011, 09:17:33 AM »
If every city did this, wouldn't we just be paying to bus homeless people around the country, and ending up with roughly as many being bussed in as being bussed out?

In theory no, because the homeless individuals will be returned to a supportive environment where they could be raised out of homelessness with the help of friends/family.  I don't doubt though that some of the individuals will fall back into homelessness if they return to bad habits and/or friends/family don't live up to commitments to provide help.
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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2011, 09:23:39 AM »
If every city did this, wouldn't we just be paying to bus homeless people around the country, and ending up with roughly as many being bussed in as being bussed out?

In theory no, because the homeless individuals will be returned to a supportive environment where they could be raised out of homelessness with the help of friends/family.  I don't doubt though that some of the individuals will fall back into homelessness if they return to bad habits and/or friends/family don't live up to commitments to provide help.

Ahh I see, I didn't read that closely enough.  Don't most homeless people have no support system (anywhere), though?  I mean if there is family in another city that is willing and has the means to take care of a homeless relative, don't you think they already would have paid the minimal amount for a Greyhound ticket for them?

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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2011, 09:27:51 AM »
I would venture to guess that there are more Cleveland natives homeless elsewhere than there are here in the City.  I know if I was homeless, I would be hitchhiking my way down 77.

Cleveland had a much more aggressive approach not too long ago - http://hpn.asu.edu/archives/Jan98/0013.html

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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2011, 09:29:45 AM »
Ahh I see, I didn't read that closely enough.  Don't most homeless people have no support system (anywhere), though?  I mean if there is family in another city that is willing and has the means to take care of a homeless relative, don't you think they already would have paid the minimal amount for a Greyhound ticket for them?

Those that do have a support network outside the City of Cincinnati is definitely a subset of the homeless in our city.  I think the organization helps as a third party to reestablish ties with the friends/family and pay the transportation costs.  However, I am remembering a presentation from a long time ago, so I may be mistaken.
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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2011, 09:47:22 AM »
I would venture to guess that there are more Cleveland natives homeless elsewhere than there are here in the City.  I know if I was homeless, I would be hitchhiking my way down 77.

Cleveland had a much more aggressive approach not too long ago - http://hpn.asu.edu/archives/Jan98/0013.html



Exactly what I was saying before the thread got deleted when we switched back. I would be out of here in a flash, if I had the opportunity and if I was homeless. No reason to deal with our weather. So cities down south might grow in homeless populations but I highly doubt many homeless people would be coming back here if given the chance.

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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2018, 09:12:48 AM »
US government: we can definitely 3D print homes on Mars.

Also: homelessness is so complicated, we havenít yet figured out how to...

https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/nasa-3d-homes-mars/index.html
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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2018, 09:34:05 AM »
I would venture to guess that there are more Cleveland natives homeless elsewhere than there are here in the City.  I know if I was homeless, I would be hitchhiking my way down 77.

Cleveland had a much more aggressive approach not too long ago - http://hpn.asu.edu/archives/Jan98/0013.html



Hts121--I'm interested to know what CLE tried, but that link didn't work for me. Is the URL correct? (or is it a problem on my end?)

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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2018, 10:17:03 AM »
^Hard to tell what happened to that link from 2011

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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2018, 10:27:48 AM »
^ i could not get it to open either.

one way ny is currently trying to tackle the homeless issue is by building and owning more facilities for shelters and housing, instead of being raked over the coals by having to reimburse private slumlords for housing people. seems like it will be expensive up front, but might save money in the long run. doubtful, but who knows. its no real solution.

https://amp.businessinsider.com/new-york-homeless-crisis-deblasio-solutions-2018-2


instead of moving the problem elsewhere or sidestepping it, for a more radical approach that actually addresses this issue directly, i believe portugal i think legalized drugs and they now spend all the policing and prosecution $$$ on treatment instead ó they say it seems to be having good success.

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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2018, 03:38:28 PM »
But the bigger problem with the people on the street in Cincinnati is that the people want to find help. Many people do not actually want help for their addiction.

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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2018, 08:30:36 PM »
Cost of living rises at fastest rate in decade
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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2018, 12:40:55 AM »
Here might be a good way to build more affordable housing more affordably....



Akron factory will crank out eight-story apartment building in modular units
Published: August 12, 2018 - 7:30 PM | Updated: August 12, 2018 - 10:38 PM
By Doug Livingston
Beacon Journal/Ohio.com

Todd Tober will build Akronís next high-rise apartment building in a factory.

The developer behind Stoney Pointe Commons and the new headquarters for AAA Akron Auto Club has launched ToVee LLC., an Akron-based manufacturing plant that uses the efficiency of indoor assembly lines to crank out building units that can be put together on job sites to build multistory structures. With labor costs on the rise and the weather reliably unpredictable, Tober said his new company will build 30 percent faster with up to 10 percent fewer hard-hat wearing workers.

His proof of concept will be his first endeavor: The One Twenty at 120 S. Hawkins Ave., a proposed 152-unit apartment building that will cover the northwest corner at Hawkins and Alden avenues.

MORE:
https://www.ohio.com/akron/news/local/akron-factory-will-crank-out-eight-story-apartment-building-in-modular-units
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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2018, 09:01:12 AM »
I missed it in the article, but I did not see anything about low income housing or affordable housing with these units?

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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2018, 11:03:45 AM »
OK, let me break it down for you.... Affordable housing is, by its very nature, low rent. Low rents don't encourage new construction because they tend to fall short in offsetting construction costs. So lots of subsidies are needed to build affordable housing. Here, a company offers a quicker, cheaper way of building attractive housing. Cheaper construction costs means fewer subsidies are needed. If the same amount of subsidies continue to be provided to a geographic area, that means you can build more affordable housing.

And, since we have a rapidly worsening homeless problem in Cleveland and many other cities due to the demolition of substandard housing, the conversion of low cost rental housing into higher cost market rate housing, and the focus on constructing high-end housing, we're seeing homeless rates in Cleveland rising by some 20 percent this year. Given the pressing need for affordable housing and this company's ability to provide it more quickly and affordably, I'm hopeful that his company will grow and other companies will emulate his to meet the demand.
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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2018, 11:13:10 AM »
^ I get the inference, but cheaper construction costs do not necessarily mean more affordable housing. It will play role but a cheaper box and be outfitted with a lot of bells and whistles to not make it affordable. If you are trying to build affordable housing it could be an option, but there is no guarantee and secondly, it does not take into account land costs, etc that often drive up the cost of the project

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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2018, 11:16:25 AM »
Then don't add the bells and whistles. LOL. And there's plenty of city-owned land bank lots in Cleveland to develop, especially around rail stations. I'm looking at you, East 105th/Quincy and East 79th (both Red and Blue/Green stations).

I think this construction concept is a great piece of the puzzle to provide affordable housing TOD in Cleveland.
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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2018, 09:52:22 AM »
Then don't add the bells and whistles. LOL. And there's plenty of city-owned land bank lots in Cleveland to develop, especially around rail stations. I'm looking at you, East 105th/Quincy and East 79th (both Red and Blue/Green stations).

I think this construction concept is a great piece of the puzzle to provide affordable housing TOD in Cleveland.

The problem is that I imagine a lot of the empty lots are in neighborhoods that are less desirable and already have a lot of low-income residents.  Adding more is just going back to the problems associated with concentrating poverty.  It's proven that it's much better to scatter low-income housing in higher-income neighborhoods, but then NIMBYism enters the picture, where those higher income residents don't want low-income housing anywhere except in existing low-income neighborhoods.  Rinse and repeat. 

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Re: One city's "solution" to homelessness
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2018, 03:22:11 PM »
One that doesn't is the area along East 105th immediately north of the E105/Quincy Red Line station. It is so depopulated and so full of land bank lots that it's almost a blank slate where a neighborhood could start over. Ditto for the area near the two East 79th rail stations.
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