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Re: Cincinnati: Clifton Heights: U Square @ the Loop
« Reply #930 on: February 10, 2012, 03:14:45 PM »
The new Adriatico's is on the southern side of McMillian between W. Clifton and Ohio, actually right next to Pomodoris Pizza (friendly neighborhood compeition, perhaps?)

I'll have to check that out.  Thanks!


Speaking of friendly competition and I want everyone to listen to this.  Do not, I repeat DO NOT park in that Pomodori's Pizza lot if you're going to Adriadico's.  They'll tow you in a heartbeat.  Those cooks literally come out of that back door and tell you to move the car.  They need to fix that parking situation pronto.

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Re: Cincinnati: Clifton Heights: U Square @ the Loop
« Reply #931 on: February 11, 2012, 09:27:21 AM »
Went to the new Adriatico's last night for a late dinner around midnight and it was indeed PACKED. Our service was fine but the food took awhile since they were busy. It's a nice space, definitely upscale for a college pizza joint, but it's not the biggest place. Nice addition to the area for sure!

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Re: Cincinnati: Clifton Heights: U Square @ the Loop
« Reply #932 on: February 11, 2012, 07:14:10 PM »
Are there any midrise to highrise residential units planned for this site? Any idea on height?

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« Reply #933 on: February 16, 2012, 02:01:37 PM »
Are there any midrise to highrise residential units planned for this site? Any idea on height?

If one can put any stock in the renderings on their facebook page then I would say it is gonna be around 5 stories including street level.

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« Reply #934 on: February 16, 2012, 02:27:47 PM »
Everything is 5 stories according to the drawings they submitted to the city's Planning Commission. l'm also surprised that Phase I is just the building nearest to Clifton Ave and does not include the building next to the gas station.
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Re: Cincinnati: Clifton Heights: U Square @ the Loop
« Reply #935 on: February 16, 2012, 03:17:37 PM »
^ where can I see what's in Phase 1 specifically?

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« Reply #936 on: February 16, 2012, 03:37:25 PM »
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« Reply #937 on: February 19, 2012, 01:53:00 PM »
Boy is this the way the City does everything? Ater wading through the Reeves Gof Course thing, I did find something located close to UC though I was still unsure what it was. And they want to know why the citizens are frustrated? Just wade through this piece of crap and you will know.

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« Reply #938 on: February 19, 2012, 02:04:27 PM »
It the uptown loop of the streetcar does not reach here, how will it affect this project? Will the right-of-ways be reserved? Will the utilities infrastructure be involved to avoid what is going on downtown right now? Who is in charge of this future?

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« Reply #939 on: February 19, 2012, 02:32:15 PM »
Boy is this the way the City does everything? Ater wading through the Reeves Gof Course thing, I did find something located close to UC though I was still unsure what it was. And they want to know why the citizens are frustrated? Just wade through this piece of crap and you will know.

Are you serious? You're driving me nuts. Your comments add nothing of value to this entire forum.

These are architecture plans.  Of course its confusing to someone who is not an architect/planner and was not at the meeting where they were talked through.  The Planning commission is the specialized group that deals with major development plans (totally simplifying their purpose for this conversation).  I guarantee the government entity that approves the union place development or whatever in West Chester will look at the same type of images, since they were designed and put together by the private for profit developer who is building this.

Additionally, in the private sector the plans for building a new skyscraper ARE NOT supposed to be able to be read by Joe Average.  And you are ok with that- but as soon as a government entity expects to hold its planners up to a high standard you go "No wonder blah blah blah! A regular person can't read this and things are only good if someone with no specialized education can follow it!"
 
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« Reply #940 on: February 19, 2012, 06:29:53 PM »
So, I simply ask whether the streetcar right-of-way will be included in this development for the future and immediately I have no value. I guess it is better to rip everything up if and when he streetcar gets extended to this area. That is part of the intent is it not?

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« Reply #941 on: February 19, 2012, 10:00:28 PM »
I Am fine with real debate and even criticism, but the attitude is ridiculous.

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« Reply #942 on: February 19, 2012, 11:22:11 PM »
I'm not trying to start anything here.  But after reading, I've come to the conclusion that certain people living in Cincy don't actually like it here.  Its sad.  The strange thing is they find excuses to stay and bash it.  The streetcar is being built whether haters like it or not and it will be reaching U Square in the future.  Bad attitudes about positive progression will eventually make haters very lonely.  Cincy has her share of haters and right now but with all of this progression, they're being left in the dust. 

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« Reply #943 on: February 19, 2012, 11:57:31 PM »
It the uptown loop of the streetcar does not reach here, how will it affect this project? Will the right-of-ways be reserved? Will the utilities infrastructure be involved to avoid what is going on downtown right now? Who is in charge of this future?

This project will do well with UC as its base without the streetcar.  In fact, there are no official plans to loop it with the streetcar. The only official streetcar plans that exist take it from downtown/OTR, up vine, to the Zoo via Jefferson & Short Vine.  The developer knows that.

Utility relocation will likely occur the same way it does for all rail projrcts, after an official plan has been determined, although it would be interesting of the City could work with Duke (since Duke is currently tearing up Calhoun to replace its old pipes) to relocate them in an area that would be better suited to potential future streetcar plans.

I don't get your last question but I think I answered it.

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« Reply #944 on: February 20, 2012, 06:34:50 AM »
It the uptown loop of the streetcar does not reach here, how will it affect this project? Will the right-of-ways be reserved? Will the utilities infrastructure be involved to avoid what is going on downtown right now? Who is in charge of this future?

This project will do well with UC as its base without the streetcar.  In fact, there are no official plans to loop it with the streetcar. The only official streetcar plans that exist take it from downtown/OTR, up vine, to the Zoo via Jefferson & Short Vine.  The developer knows that.

Utility relocation will likely occur the same way it does for all rail projrcts, after an official plan has been determined, although it would be interesting of the City could work with Duke (since Duke is currently tearing up Calhoun to replace its old pipes) to relocate them in an area that would be better suited to potential future streetcar plans.

I don't get your last question but I think I answered it.
Thanks for a resonable answer. I went and checked the existing streetcar route for uptown and it does not show it coming through this area. I just thought it might be prudent while doing extensive utility and intrastructure work to include some provision for a possible steetcar spur.

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« Reply #945 on: February 20, 2012, 06:39:28 AM »
^ Over on CityData a current debate (centering on the streetcar's relevance or irrelevance) suggests that, even when its route extends past UC, few students will actually ride it.  Since this thread has been mostly a discussion of the physical developments around University Square, maybe this isn't the appropriate place to discuss this controversial, volatile issue.  My question is: has the controversy of UC student ridership already been addressed in either the long and involved "Streetcar" thread or elsewhere on U/O?

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« Reply #946 on: February 20, 2012, 07:56:11 AM »
^ I think 2-3 years ago the vast majority of students lived by Warner, Stratford, Wheeler, etc. and no one expects them to walk all the way to Vine, etc.  But as there have been 4-5 major projects leading to new developments along short vine, you will actually see more students now using it than you would have a few years ago prior to the corryville revitalization.

But this project its self will have a moderate impact by the streetcar, but as OCto said, the "loop" idea that the developers have used to name their development is a stretch... I would suspect that 5 years after the line opens we may be under construction to the Zoo.  A spur towards Clifton via calhoun & mcmillan, while on some various sketches, is likely very far off.

Either way, with the foot traffic around the university this will do just fine.  and the addition of about 600 parking spaces will help ensure that it does fine without a streetcar :P


And woo! I finally made the transition from lurker to poster!

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« Reply #947 on: February 20, 2012, 08:21:57 AM »
And woo! I finally made the transition from lurker to poster!

Took me a while too, welcome aboard!

I agree with your assessment on Corryville and the western side of the campus in general. I'm on Clifton Avenue near Emming and Klotter and tend to think all of the development around the campus will draw students closer to campus. Really, developments like Usquare at the loop should raise the bar, so to speak for all the various and sundry slumlords around Clifton Heights. Not to mention hopefully these newer housing opportunities will decongest my hood a little.

I thin it's been noted, but the original plan for the street car was along Vine street and not Clifton Ave, though I think Clifton Ave was a consideration. I should say W. Clifton Ave.
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« Reply #948 on: February 20, 2012, 09:00:24 AM »
So, I simply ask whether the streetcar right-of-way will be included in this development for the future and immediately I have no value. I guess it is better to rip everything up if and when he streetcar gets extended to this area. That is part of the intent is it not?

Your first post about how the city does "everything" seems pretty sketchy to me....

Just stop while you're ahead.  I checked over at City Data, you all love to bash the city, don't you?  The problem is the undertones you take, and the way you go about it.  Don't play innocent here.  Your posts show your true attitude, and you really don't seem to know much about what is happening in the city today.  It is really great if you want to know truly what is happening in the city, but your negative/bashing undertones do not help your case.  Judging by City Data, you seem pretty content with Mason, which is great, but have no problem bashing Cincinnati.  You know the attitude here, and most know the attitude there.  That is probably one reason you see very few here signing up to be a member of City Data.  If you have a problem with this site and the way people go about addressing you, why don't you stick to City Data and bash Cincinnati there?  I mean you had to of known this was clearly an urban site, and no one forcing you to join this site.  Take out your hate for the city, but praise the suburbs in everything they do.  It seems like threads have really gone no where since you have joined, and certainly take a turn for "why does the city do this?"  why do they have to do this in the suburbs?".  Your intentions seem so out-of-whack and almost like you are looking for trouble or starting an argument.

I try to fight the good fight over there (under a different name) and it almost makes you want to clamp a pair of jumper cables on your eyes to read some of the ridiculous garbage they spew. The arrival here of one of that site's most anti-Cincinnati posters gives just a taste of the venom they have for the city and all who love it and aspire for its greatness. To give an example of the blind city hate by this current poster, he actually opposed Paul McCartney playing downtown last summer because he didn't think any economic benefits should be realized until the stadiums are fully paid for. Another time, he advised a 20-something single girl moving from Copenhagen to Cincinnati (she was seeking information on some vibrant neighborhoods with lots of activity) to locate in Mason instead of the city, citing safety reasons. Of course, I'm the villain over there to him and his "friends" for refuting that nonsense. :drunk:

As for U-Square, I don't think it needs the streetcar running right by its front door to succeed, as evidenced by the popularity of that area now. Plenty of students pack the bars, restaurants and shops along those blocks today. And according to today's Enquirer, the Short Vine area is starting to realize its own renaissance which means when the streetcar does come, the area should already be humming and the rail will just add to its vitality. Looking at the University of Minnesota, for example: The light rail doesn't yet go to Dinkytown, which is the popular hub for student activity. A spur is planned and when the area is finally linked to downtown, it will give more visitors access to this part of the city. I would expect a similar result in Cincinnati.

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?action=post;quote=604102;topic=2567.930

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« Reply #949 on: February 20, 2012, 11:19:20 AM »
Are they even digging up the main streets now? Unless they are digging up Calhoun and McMillan, I don't get the utility question. They were doing some street scaping in the area a couple years ago. My bet is they didn't do anything with the streetcar in mind.

Soon they should be doing work on Short Vine, which I would think they would do with the streetcar in mind, given the route is planned to go right through there, and the project is quite a bit further along than it was a couple years ago. I do wish they would reach an agreement to bring the streetcar through University Plaza!

Edit: Hope the mods do some pruning up in here. It's bad enough we are talking about the streetcar, but Copenhagen and Mason? Really?
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« Reply #950 on: February 20, 2012, 11:23:43 AM »
They recently did some major utility work on McMillian, Calhoun, and that small stretch of Clifton Ave in between the two. I doubt it was street car related but I do not know that for sure, though I would guess it was for the current development under way.

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« Reply #951 on: February 20, 2012, 12:03:41 PM »


Please keep the debate on topic!
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« Reply #952 on: February 20, 2012, 12:33:08 PM »
Thank you!!

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« Reply #953 on: March 19, 2012, 10:15:28 AM »
There's some new development happening in the McMillian St. business district between Clifton Ave and W Clifton Ave

Looks like a new tanning salon, Glow, has opened next to the art supplies place. The next two storefronts over are currently under construction and have had their facades removed and interiors completely gutted.

Meanwhile, Jeresalum Cafe across the street is still vacant and has a boarded up storefront, and Chicago Gyro has been claiming to be moving to former bank on the corner of McMillian and W Clifton for awhile with no construction evident.

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« Reply #954 on: March 20, 2012, 01:16:04 PM »
Chicago Gyro has been claiming to be moving to former bank on the corner of McMillian and W Clifton for awhile with no construction evident.

I have seen some construction going on there. They were doing some major demo of the interior a while back (October/November or so). A friend and I stepped in for a second. It was kinda sad because they were tearing up the tin ceiling. I haven't been in Cincinnati since December, so I can't really speak for current work, but that's the last I saw.

They recently did some major utility work on McMillian, Calhoun, and that small stretch of Clifton Ave in between the two. I doubt it was street car related but I do not know that for sure, though I would guess it was for the current development under way.

Here is an UrbanCincy article about the streetscaping they did on that block between Clifton and West Clifton. The work was not related to the streetcar at all as there is no plan to take the streetcar there yet. Currently I belive the next step would be up Vine Street and then up Short Vine/Jefferson. It is possible that the streetcar could spur west toward Clifton, but I don't believe that is in any sort of official planning yet.

http://www.urbancincy.com/2010/09/streetscaping-improvements-along-w-mcmillan-street-near-completion/

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« Reply #955 on: May 22, 2012, 06:17:53 AM »
I wish I had a camera.  This place is above ground and starting to look massive.

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« Reply #956 on: May 22, 2012, 10:38:25 AM »
Yeah, kind of funny how the Hartshorn street sign is still there, and it has been so dramatically erased from existence. 

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« Reply #957 on: May 22, 2012, 11:02:44 AM »
Speaking of which, is the new street going to be called Hartshorn as well or will it have some new (probably cheesy) name to go with the naming of the development?

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« Reply #958 on: May 22, 2012, 11:52:59 AM »
The Loop?  :)

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« Reply #959 on: May 22, 2012, 12:01:42 PM »
Loop Street!
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