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Re: US Illegal Immigration
« Reply #150 on: June 14, 2018, 08:11:30 AM »
Start with this posting and read the whole thread....

I’m a part of the first group of journalists to go into the shelter for detained child migrants in Brownsville Texas since the zero tolerance separation policy was announced. 1000+ boys here.

Going in right now.

More tonight w @chrislhayes on @allinwithchris @MSNBC. #inners https://t.co/NeLlaDdSKv

Thread starts here...  https://twitter.com/jacobsoboroff/status/1007019318293553153?s=19
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Re: US Illegal Immigration
« Reply #151 on: June 14, 2018, 09:37:45 AM »
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Grandfather, been in the US for 50 years, since he was 13.  He’s a legal resident.  Went to high school here.  Taken away by ICE on a Sunday morning.  Stop telling us it is about MS-13.
https://twitter.com/SimonWDC/status/1007089174552502272
California woman ‘in shock’ after ICE agents detain father, a legal resident, outside home https://bayareane.ws/2HKn9QX
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Re: US Illegal Immigration
« Reply #152 on: June 14, 2018, 10:52:29 AM »
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Grandfather, been in the US for 50 years, since he was 13.  He’s a legal resident.  Went to high school here.  Taken away by ICE on a Sunday morning.  Stop telling us it is about MS-13.
https://twitter.com/SimonWDC/status/1007089174552502272
California woman ‘in shock’ after ICE agents detain father, a legal resident, outside home https://bayareane.ws/2HKn9QX

Permanent legal resident.  Arrested by ICE when he went out to water his lawn, based on a misdemeanor domestic abuse charge 18 years ago. 

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« Reply #153 on: June 14, 2018, 10:53:04 AM »
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arizona-lawmaker-rep-david-stringer-criticized-for-race-immigration-comments/

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A Republican lawmaker is being criticized for saying "there aren't enough white kids to go around" when discussing integration in schools at an event in northern Arizona. Rep. David Stringer, a Republican from Prescott, spoke Monday at the Yavapai County Republican Men's Forum.

Yeah, they're racists.

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Re: US Illegal Immigration
« Reply #154 on: June 14, 2018, 10:53:24 AM »
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Grandfather, been in the US for 50 years, since he was 13.  He’s a legal resident.  Went to high school here.  Taken away by ICE on a Sunday morning.  Stop telling us it is about MS-13.
https://twitter.com/SimonWDC/status/1007089174552502272
California woman ‘in shock’ after ICE agents detain father, a legal resident, outside home https://bayareane.ws/2HKn9QX

Permanent legal resident.  Arrested by ICE when he went out to water his lawn, based on a misdemeanor domestic abuse charge 18 years ago.


But muh MS13

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Re: US Illegal Immigration
« Reply #155 on: June 14, 2018, 05:29:17 PM »
https://twitter.com/waltshaub/status/1007359355656683520

The video with SHS is so... it makes me want to smash things. 

First she calls the separation of children "biblical", and then blames Democrats for not "closing loopholes", despite the reality that Republicans control all levels of government and could stop the practice at any time.  I rarely watch anything SHS because it's such obvious trash, but man...

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« Reply #156 on: June 14, 2018, 06:19:18 PM »
"I can say that it is very biblical to enforce the law. That is actually repeated a number of times throughout the Bible," she said. "It's a moral policy to follow and enforce the law."

I'm sure this same exact justification was used by slave owners in the South.

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« Reply #157 on: June 14, 2018, 07:08:56 PM »
"Ourselves" in that context could be read any number of ways.  I doubt it was meant to indicate closed borders in 1787, so when exactly did they intend for the cutoff to occur?  Not clear.  And it certainly did not include those 3/5 people, if you know what I mean, even though they were living here at the time.  Nothing undercuts wages quite like they did, but that was viewed as a windfall.

On the former point, there is of course no "cutoff" and there is no carved-in-stone number of legal immigrants per year that must always be the case.  So I don't know where you're going with thus talk of a "cutoff."

On the latter point, of course the original Constitution contained a lot of inhumane compromises on the issue of slavery (though of course remember that it was the Southerners who wanted to count slaves as full persons and the Northerners that wanted to count them as zero in the infamous 3/5 compromise ... people forget that).  The even more banal evil in it was the casual discussion of the "importation of Persons" in Art I. s. 9.

By cutoff I mean any kind of limit or quota.  I doubt that was front of mind for anyone back then.  If "ourselves" was intended to exclude future immigrants, there's not much context confirming it, whether in or out of the document.

As to the north/south thing, those extra 3/5 votes were for the owners to use in favor of slavery.  Surely you aren't implying that was the more noble of the options.  Counting the slaves as zero would have strengthened the northern position, which is generally regarded as having been more favorable toward the slaves.

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« Reply #158 on: June 14, 2018, 10:35:48 PM »
Is there actually law that requires children to be separated from their parents?? If so, can someone please cite it for me.

Sanders said this in response to a question from CNN’s Jim Acosta: “The Attorney General earlier today said that somehow there’s a justification for this in the Bible. Where does it say in the Bible that it’s moral to take children away from their mothers?”

Sanders comments on family separations at the border: “It is very biblical to enforce the law”
https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1007345519570706432

You mean this part, Sarah?
"When an alien resides with you in your land, you shall not wrong him. The alien who resides with you shall be to you as one of your citizens; you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am your God."
---Lev 19:33-34
https://twitter.com/rmayemsinger/status/1007352955807227905

Or this....

I guess Sessions forgot about the Gospels part of the Bible. Matthew 25:35 says "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me".
Nothing in the Bible says to separate kids from parents. It teaches the opposite.
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« Reply #159 on: June 15, 2018, 08:10:48 AM »
There's just so much that is baffling wrong from Sessions/SHS.

1) Separation of church and state.  The Bible is not (or shouldn't be) dictating our laws.

2) Family separation is not a law.  It is a policy change enacted by AG Sessions.

3) ^See @KJP post above for actual Bible verses that say the opposite. (We've posted others either in this thread or the Trump thread.)

4) Republicans have majorities in every branch of government.  Blaming the Democrats is laughable.

It's a lie intertwined with the lack of separation of church/state intertwined with a complete misrepresentation of the Bible but they double down because they're unsympathetic racists who believe abject cruelty is sound policy.

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« Reply #160 on: June 15, 2018, 08:24:33 AM »
"Ourselves" in that context could be read any number of ways.  I doubt it was meant to indicate closed borders in 1787, so when exactly did they intend for the cutoff to occur?  Not clear.  And it certainly did not include those 3/5 people, if you know what I mean, even though they were living here at the time.  Nothing undercuts wages quite like they did, but that was viewed as a windfall.

On the former point, there is of course no "cutoff" and there is no carved-in-stone number of legal immigrants per year that must always be the case.  So I don't know where you're going with thus talk of a "cutoff."

On the latter point, of course the original Constitution contained a lot of inhumane compromises on the issue of slavery (though of course remember that it was the Southerners who wanted to count slaves as full persons and the Northerners that wanted to count them as zero in the infamous 3/5 compromise ... people forget that).  The even more banal evil in it was the casual discussion of the "importation of Persons" in Art I. s. 9.

By cutoff I mean any kind of limit or quota.  I doubt that was front of mind for anyone back then.  If "ourselves" was intended to exclude future immigrants, there's not much context confirming it, whether in or out of the document.

Ourselves was meant to include future legal immigrants, with the levels of legal immigration determined by the people already here, i.e., the current "ourselves."

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As to the north/south thing, those extra 3/5 votes were for the owners to use in favor of slavery.  Surely you aren't implying that was the more noble of the options.  Counting the slaves as zero would have strengthened the northern position, which is generally regarded as having been more favorable toward the slaves.

Exactly.  That's all I was saying.

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Re: US Illegal Immigration
« Reply #161 on: June 15, 2018, 03:00:46 PM »
https://apnews.com/3361a7d5fa714ea4b028f0a29db1cabc

About 2,000 children have been separated from their families at the border over a six-week period during a crackdown on illegal entries, according to U.S. Department of Homeland Security figures obtained by The Associated Press Friday.

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« Reply #162 on: June 15, 2018, 06:30:12 PM »
In addition to the deeply disturbing medical consequences of the Trump administration's separation policy, there is this sinister effect of that policy: babies and toddlers are now forced to navigate legal system on their own. Even seasoned advocates are at a loss: https://t.co/dpdeRhopn3
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« Reply #163 on: June 15, 2018, 06:31:24 PM »
I spoke with medical experts about the trauma inflicted on migrant children who are being separated from their parents. One told me, "This is government-sanctioned torture of children." Here's @TheAtlantic story: https://t.co/d23gRSQtUx
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« Reply #164 on: June 15, 2018, 07:53:18 PM »
Medical groups are denouncing the Trump admin.’s new policy of forcibly separating children from their parents, which they note is not defined in U.S. law, saying that the actions will cause irreparable damage to many of the children.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/kids-suffer-permanent-damage-border-separations-n883636?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma
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« Reply #165 on: June 15, 2018, 07:54:53 PM »
FYI
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« Reply #166 on: June 16, 2018, 08:09:43 AM »
The Daily News does it again.
Saturday's cover.
This needs to get non-stop coverage everywhere until it stops! https://t.co/g4b5vsDkSr
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« Reply #167 on: June 16, 2018, 10:48:48 AM »
As an American, it pains me to say this.

The United Nations should investigate the United States of America for placing children in internment camps and violating both human rights and international law.
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« Reply #168 on: June 16, 2018, 11:48:30 PM »
Trump says US policy separating migrant families is law. It's not.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-us-policy-separating-migrant-families-law/story?id=55943925
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« Reply #169 on: June 17, 2018, 10:00:17 AM »
When I worked in refugee transit camps in Croatia, we had a family tracing service all the way from Greece to Western Europe. If a child was separated from family, we did everything we could to reunite them & almost always succeeded.

The current US government does the opposite.

https://twitter.com/goingglocal/status/1008273631850455040?s=19
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« Reply #170 on: June 17, 2018, 11:13:48 AM »
Judging from past examples, this will not look good historically.  Even the people doing it must realize that.

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« Reply #171 on: June 17, 2018, 04:30:32 PM »
Just so you all know, Illegally entering the United States is considered a Misdemeanor.

Have you ever seen a child taken from their parents over a single case of trespassing or disorderly conduct?

To top that off, asking for asylum at the border isn't even a crime!
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« Reply #172 on: June 17, 2018, 07:58:13 PM »
One day, these ICE agents are going to have to atone for this. I hope I get to see it before they die.

“I was talking to one mother, and she said, ‘Don’t take my child away,’ and the child started screaming and vomiting and crying hysterically, and she asked the officers, ‘Can I at least have five minutes to console her?’ They said no.”

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« Reply #173 on: June 17, 2018, 08:01:59 PM »
Nazis doing nazi like things.  Who could've guessed this 18 months ago besides me?

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« Reply #174 on: June 17, 2018, 08:58:49 PM »
Have you ever seen a child taken from their parents over a single case of trespassing or disorderly conduct?

I have seen people arrested for trespassing before - I have to imagine that if they had their children in tow while committing said crime, they would be separated and placed in the least restrictive setting that is in the best interest of the child. The child certainly wouldn't be locked up with his or her parents. I imagine Child Protective Services would be brought in at some point given that a parent was actively committing a potentially dangerous crime with their kids.

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« Reply #175 on: June 17, 2018, 09:04:13 PM »
Have you ever seen a child taken from their parents over a single case of trespassing or disorderly conduct?

I have seen people arrested for trespassing before - I have to imagine that if they had their children in tow while committing said crime, they would be separated and placed in the least restrictive setting that is in the best interest of the child. The child certainly wouldn't be locked up with his or her parents. I imagine Child Protective Services would be brought in at some point given that a parent was actively committing a potentially dangerous crime with their kids.

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« Reply #176 on: June 18, 2018, 09:05:30 AM »
http://www.businessinsider.com/immigration-children-diapers-2018-6?utm_source=reddit.com

A young girl separated from her aunt at a Border Patrol facility had to get her diapers changed by other children

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Re: US Illegal Immigration
« Reply #178 on: June 18, 2018, 09:56:19 AM »
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First lady Melania Trump "hates" to see families separated at the border and hopes "both sides of the aisle" can reform the nation's immigration laws, according to a statement Sunday about the controversy over separation of immigrant parents and children at the U.S.-Mexico border.

Cool, Melania.  "Both sides?" LOL It's a policy administered solely by your husband's administration.

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« Reply #179 on: June 18, 2018, 10:11:21 AM »
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First lady Melania Trump "hates" to see families separated at the border and hopes "both sides of the aisle" can reform the nation's immigration laws, according to a statement Sunday about the controversy over separation of immigrant parents and children at the U.S.-Mexico border.

Cool, Melania.  "Both sides?" LOL It's a policy administered solely by your husband's administration.

Yea, this is about the dumbest thing I've ever seen. If you really care then TELL YOUR HUSBAND TO STOP! These people are so power hungry. I don't like throwing around the word "evil" because I believe all people have good in them, but it's getting very hard not to just call this administration straight up evil.