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Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5160 on: September 27, 2017, 12:21:41 PM »
The only other place I heard the CMHA info was on City-Data.

That's excellent news about the Flea.

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Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5161 on: September 27, 2017, 12:24:43 PM »
I've heard rumors that CMHA isn't renewing any leases at Lakeview Terrace.  Anyone know if there's truth to this?

Also, Cleveland Flea is taking over Unique Thrift Store temporarily.

Interesting about Lakeview... that has to be one of the oldest housing projects still in operation, right? 

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Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5162 on: September 27, 2017, 12:35:53 PM »
Anything to do with this project?



This is the post from back in July, of which I am a fan of. But the most recent renderings imo are horrible, and in 20 years will be so undesirable.

Anyone know why the big change in design?

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Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5163 on: September 27, 2017, 12:58:39 PM »
Is that Lucky's Supermarket, the same as is going into the new development on Clifton?

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« Reply #5164 on: September 27, 2017, 01:18:19 PM »
I prefer the recent design.  The July one is supposed to look old, with an addition on top, but the main part that was supposed to blend into the surrounding streetscape wouldn't really look old anyway, and the contemporary piece on top is a fake-looking addition.   Go modern! And get going, please!

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« Reply #5165 on: September 27, 2017, 01:20:02 PM »
Not sure. Kind of doubt considering the small floor space and what they show in their other renderings....











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Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5166 on: September 27, 2017, 02:06:30 PM »
Looks to me like they're going bigger and also wanted to add parking underground. 

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« Reply #5167 on: September 27, 2017, 02:12:57 PM »
This is a pretty ambitious project stretching a full block south on W. 44.  I'm liking what I'm seeing... Lots of good stuff going on the Lorain block between W. 41st and 44th.  But amazingly, mixed in with the good stuff along Lorain's south side (stretching east from the upgraded Victorian building adjacent to the planned planned development) you've got 2 used car lots and a substantial surface lot before finally reaching Plum restaurant and Platform Brewery.  The Brutalist, blocky  Metro Health center across the street from the development is a kinda buzz-kill, but necessary from a neighborhood sense.

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« Reply #5168 on: September 27, 2017, 05:19:17 PM »
Awesome! I'm glad to see more ambitious projects like this spreading away from the core. This one seems like it could be on par with Quarter. I am a bit disappointed its not replacing the gas station as I first thought when I saw it, although if this is built I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before something does. The medical clinic across the street is in plans to be replaced with a new locations, if I'm not mistaken. That will be another desirable redevelopment site.

Regarding Lakeview Tower, I would hope this would be the start of remodeling/replacing that tower. It could certainly use it. The whole Lakeview Estates could use redevelopment similar to what they're doing in Central. Honestly though I couldn't see a private developer wanting that site, especially with so much more available nearby. With all the Shoreway/25th construction detours taking me through there regularly these last few months, I certainly wouldn't want to live on that location. The amount of dust that is in the air and collects everywhere from the trucks and salt mine is ridiculous.

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« Reply #5169 on: September 27, 2017, 06:04:48 PM »
Much of the Lakeview Estates and the nearby Riverview Estates was substantially renovated maybe a decade ago.
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« Reply #5170 on: October 01, 2017, 07:44:10 AM »
I was looking at one of those ďCityĒ magazines that has a lot of information about Cleveland neighborhoods and recent developments, and the writer said that Edge32 was a remodeling of an existing building.  Iíve been following all the construction in that part of town, and I thought I had followed that project from the very beginning and that it had started from scratch.  However, I may not have noticed a non-descript building on that site until construction had gotten to the stage when no one could any longer tell if it was brand new or a substantial makeover. So what was on that site (including on West 32nd) before the apartments went up, and was some of it retained?  Iím sure some of you know.  Thanks.
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« Reply #5171 on: October 01, 2017, 08:51:54 AM »
^Pretty sure the entire thing is new construction. The front of the site had the 1990s bath house and the rear of the site was parking.

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« Reply #5172 on: October 02, 2017, 09:58:35 AM »
^ It was entirely new construction. I lived in the building next door for a year and watched the demo and construction from the ground up. I lost my view of the lake but the abandoned bath house was hideous so I was glad to see it go.

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« Reply #5173 on: October 02, 2017, 10:25:20 AM »
Thanks, though it's too bad the reporter got it wrong.  The "City" magazine is in the stack of Cleveland Magazine's auxiliary magazines in the Heights main library.  Plenty of good information in it.

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Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5174 on: October 27, 2017, 09:37:46 AM »
A photo of Quarter (West 25th and Detroit) from late September.

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Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5175 on: October 29, 2017, 11:32:54 AM »
Alot of progress being made on Quarter from Friday. Also, W25th has reopened this week. The new streetscaping looks great and traffic seems to be flowing better with the added median and the new layout at the intersection with Main and Washington.



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« Reply #5176 on: October 30, 2017, 12:07:54 PM »
Alot of progress being made on Quarter from Friday. Also, W25th has reopened this week. The new streetscaping looks great and traffic seems to be flowing better with the added median and the new layout at the intersection with Main and Washington.




I love how the Quarter looks as you're heading west across the Detroit Superior bridge.  It really changes that view down Detroit.

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Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5177 on: November 14, 2017, 08:35:53 PM »
Irishtown Bend project takes a step forward as Port, NOACA apply for grant to stabilize hillside

http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/breaking-ground/IrishtownGrant111317.aspx

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« Reply #5178 on: November 14, 2017, 10:14:29 PM »
Much of the Lakeview Estates and the nearby Riverview Estates was substantially renovated maybe a decade ago.

Not well then, from what I understand.   Much is beginning to fall apart already.

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Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #5179 on: November 15, 2017, 07:35:45 AM »
Irishtown Bend project takes a step forward as Port, NOACA apply for grant to stabilize hillside

http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/breaking-ground/IrishtownGrant111317.aspx

The upside for this project cannot be overstated.

Once Irishtown Bend is completed, it will serve as the last link in connecting Ohio City, the Flats, downtown Cleveland, and the lakefront through a network of trails in the Cleveland Foundation Centennial Lake Link Trail.

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« Reply #5180 on: November 15, 2017, 07:40:02 AM »
Much of the Lakeview Estates and the nearby Riverview Estates was substantially renovated maybe a decade ago.

Not well then, from what I understand.   Much is beginning to fall apart already.

Absolute fact. Lakeview Estates, as they stand, are the oldest public housing project in the country. Additionally, Riverview has had significant electrical issues which have effected the elevator systems. These issues going unremediated is essentially CMHA making a paper trail to substantiate their decision to condemn the buildings and sell one of the parcels in the near future. By 2020, one of those will have been sold.

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« Reply #5181 on: November 15, 2017, 07:45:07 AM »
Yabo, is that your opinion/view of what is happening or is that something that you have knowledge of based on non-public facts?

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« Reply #5182 on: November 15, 2017, 10:10:04 AM »
They just replaced the elevators at Lakeview. I highly doubt that they are looking to sell any of that land (and i have been working with them on a project). per hud rules, they'd have to replace any units on a 1 to 1 basis that they get rid of. there are a lot of units in both lakeview and riverview--i just don't see hud under the current administration making any funds available for building new units at such a high number elsewhere in cleveland.

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« Reply #5183 on: November 15, 2017, 10:44:28 AM »
Yabo, is that your opinion/view of what is happening or is that something that you have knowledge of based on non-public facts?

With regards to Lakeview, I do not have personal insight. With Riverside, I do.

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« Reply #5184 on: November 15, 2017, 10:46:49 AM »
They just replaced the elevators at Lakeview. I highly doubt that they are looking to sell any of that land (and i have been working with them on a project). per hud rules, they'd have to replace any units on a 1 to 1 basis that they get rid of. there are a lot of units in both lakeview and riverview--i just don't see hud under the current administration making any funds available for building new units at such a high number elsewhere in cleveland.

501c3's that operate throughout the city, such as Cleveland Public Housing, can supplement and offset some of the relocation burden. But you're right, both of these properties house sizable populations.

And I'd ask you... what do you do when recently replaced elevators stop working... would you maybe say "the situation at Riverview has become unworkable" and provide an itemized list of attempts you've made to "salvage" the building?

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« Reply #5185 on: November 15, 2017, 12:08:12 PM »
^I'm not sure what you mean by "Cleveland Public Housing", but note that the House tax bill proposes killing off one of the primary financing sources for privately developed new affordable housing, making it that much more unlikely we see anything happen.

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« Reply #5186 on: November 16, 2017, 01:34:54 AM »
Yabo, is that your opinion/view of what is happening or is that something that you have knowledge of based on non-public facts?

With regards to Lakeview, I do not have personal insight. With Riverside, I do.

Not renewing leases means they are emptying out the buildings, assuming they are also not signing new ones.   This shouldn't be a surprise.   With some environmental remediation, this could potentially be the best urban neighborhood between NYC and Chicago, sitting on the lake and river as it does.  At a minimum, it inevitably reduces crime and the perception of same near an area where a lot of the actual Cleveland PTBs own property.

The tower is senior citizen housing it's likely to stay.

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« Reply #5187 on: November 16, 2017, 08:39:31 AM »
^I'm not sure what you mean by "Cleveland Public Housing", but note that the House tax bill proposes killing off one of the primary financing sources for privately developed new affordable housing, making it that much more unlikely we see anything happen.

My apologies, I was referring to Cleveland Housing Network.

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« Reply #5188 on: November 16, 2017, 08:45:19 AM »
Yabo, is that your opinion/view of what is happening or is that something that you have knowledge of based on non-public facts?

With regards to Lakeview, I do not have personal insight. With Riverside, I do.

Not renewing leases means they are emptying out the buildings, assuming they are also not signing new ones.   This shouldn't be a surprise.   With some environmental remediation, this could potentially be the best urban neighborhood between NYC and Chicago, sitting on the lake and river as it does.  At a minimum, it inevitably reduces crime and the perception of same near an area where a lot of the actual Cleveland PTBs own property.

The tower is senior citizen housing it's likely to stay.


I think there are so many benefits to removing Lakeview.

1. ABOVE ALL - It would benefit the tenants. Many of those units provide inadequate living conditions.

2. It would reduce crime at Quarter and Stonebridge.

3. It truly could provide an entire new neighborhood to Cleveland in a prime location.

I may be wrong - but everything I have heard indicates that Riverview will be the first to go. The point to "seniors" will actually be a selling point for giving up the building. "Look at the conditions our seniors live in..." is a very, very strong pitch for new housing. Additionally, those that I've talked to with SIGNIFICANTLY more knowledge of the situation than me believe that the Riverview parcel is the most sought after land in the state, and would fetch a massive number, should CMHA ask for it.

I mean really, imagine $750k+ brownstones lining the street there, with a beautiful new park to the North, the Ohio City Garden and the city's best view of the skyline behind it, and the most active nightlife in the city only a block to the South.

I obviously have no guarantees and could very well wrong, as I often am. But everything I've heard indicates that Riverview will go by 2020.

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« Reply #5189 on: November 16, 2017, 12:49:08 PM »
^^Absolutely would love to see redevelopment on that site.  I agree that it's probably among the most valuable real estate in the state.

However, it may become difficult to replace those units due to the proposed tax plans and elimination of tax-free bonds. Without these bonds and with a lower corporate tax rate, low income tax credits become very less effective and enticing for developers and investors.  According to Novogradac, if both happen, it could reduce the future supply of affordable rental housing by close to 1 million units over the next 10 years.