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Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #4980 on: May 26, 2017, 04:24:19 PM »
Divide the site into two parts, and sell off the part with the nice views to developers. Then build the new high school with more stories and parking in the back (and remove the useless grassy yard). I heard they had a ridiculously high offer for the site, and I'm sure they could still make a lot of money by just selling part of the site. This plan would still allow them to keep the high school where they want it, while also making some money for new textbooks/computers/etc which could benefit the whole school system. This would also create a denser, more urban environment with no setbacks from the sidewalk, which would be a much better fit for a neighborhood that's so close to downtown.

I also think the simultaneous development of a new high school AND a new residential/retail development could be the shot in the arm this stretch of Detroit needs. There are plenty of empty/underutilized properties directly adjacent to this site. Has CMSD even thought of this? I can't think of any negatives to this solution. It allows the school to be built there, as well as new (potentially mixed-use) development next-door, and is overall a more efficient use of land.
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Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #4981 on: May 26, 2017, 04:35:14 PM »
Welcome, ethlaw. Terrific first post!
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Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #4982 on: May 28, 2017, 01:23:37 PM »
Discussion of the Brickman development has been moved here:

https://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,28822.280.html
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« Reply #4983 on: May 28, 2017, 02:30:08 PM »
Just a reminder of what we initially saw, and why I hate falling in love with initial renders lol:

[edit: oops sorry X, I'm late getting the memo]

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« Reply #4984 on: May 30, 2017, 09:53:34 PM »
Yes, I try hard to not get attached to preliminary drawings and images at least until official construction, and even then it might be premature.  Hence I avoid charettes and other pie-in-the-sky-type discussuons or lengthy descriptions of student design projects.

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« Reply #4985 on: June 05, 2017, 11:08:39 AM »
A concrete serpent monster has risen from the abyss of W25th and Detroit.

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« Reply #4986 on: June 05, 2017, 11:21:25 AM »
A concrete serpent monster has risen from the abyss of W25th and Detroit.

Brilliant description :clap:

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« Reply #4987 on: June 05, 2017, 12:28:28 PM »
I saw it from the Shoreway today. It looked like something out of the remake of War of the Worlds.
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« Reply #4988 on: June 05, 2017, 01:06:32 PM »
A concrete serpent monster has risen from the abyss of W25th and Detroit.


Too dreary to be Loch Ness haha.

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Re: Cleveland: Ohio City: Development and News
« Reply #4989 on: June 06, 2017, 02:09:40 PM »
http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2017/06082017/index.php

1. Case 17-031
Market Square Historic District
Goetz Building 1898 West 25th Street
Storefront and Fašade Renovation
Ward 3
McCormack
John Williams
Process Architects
Doug Perkowski








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« Reply #4990 on: June 06, 2017, 02:14:37 PM »
^Cool.
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« Reply #4991 on: June 06, 2017, 04:41:51 PM »
That's a really cool little building! I like the subtle bay windows and I actually love the geometry and proportions but especially on the original. I usually hate those glass cinder blocks that you see on a lot of the 1930s commercial buildings but...I don't know; it's charming on this one.

I wonder why they chose to get rid of them. I guess if you're trying to give the fašade a face-lift and make it look shiny and new again, the glass blocks just look like a dreary remnant dragging everything else down. Also, on that left side, they look pushed in for some reason. Maybe there's no way to repair that?

I wish that brand new infill projects looked as stately as this building.
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« Reply #4992 on: June 06, 2017, 04:53:23 PM »
The elevation doesn't make it clear but I hope they keep the ghost mural on the side of the building. There's mention of brick cleaning which is obviously good for aesthetics but I'm not a fan of ghost mural erasure. I think it's important to keep those around. Part of the beauty of truly great neighborhoods is seeing remnants of the past and how it evolved. It's really nice to get a sense of the history of the buildings. 
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« Reply #4993 on: June 11, 2017, 11:06:09 PM »
A company named Aha Development has acquired six parcels of land on the SE corner of Lorain Avenue and West 44th Street. Aha is located in the Tenk Building, 2111 Center St. on the West Bank of the Flats. Anyone know who they are and what they have in mind for this worn-out corner? Below is one of the six parcels Aha acquired, located right at the corner of Lorain and 44th...

4327 LORAIN AVE
CLEVELAND
Sales Date   5/15/2017
Amount   $0
Buyer   AHA DEVELOPMENT OHC LLC
Seller   3C DEVELOPMENTS LLC
Deed type   LIMITED WA
Land value   $11,700
Building value   $160,800
Total value   $172,500
Parcel   007-01-002
Property   Small (under 7500 sq. ft.) detached retail
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« Reply #4994 on: June 11, 2017, 11:15:07 PM »
Hmmm... tenk building is owned by Rafid Fadul. He is an investor in Platform's production facility.  Could be a connection.
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« Reply #4995 on: June 11, 2017, 11:29:01 PM »
If you look upthread, you should find some plans for redeveloping that corner with some renovation of the current building combined with some new build.

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« Reply #4996 on: June 11, 2017, 11:29:43 PM »
Anything to do with this project?



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« Reply #4997 on: June 12, 2017, 08:28:50 AM »
^i hope so! That's one of my favorite proposed projects in Ohio City. From a design standpoint, if they build what's in that rendering, it will be an awesome combination of modern and historic architecture. The weathering steel look fits right in here in Cleveland.

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« Reply #4998 on: June 12, 2017, 08:30:51 AM »
^i hope so! That's one of my favorite proposed projects in Ohio City. From a design standpoint, if they build what's in that rendering, it will be an awesome combination of modern and historic architecture. The weathering steel look fits right in here in Cleveland.

Has a very Williamsburg, Brooklyn feel to it

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« Reply #4999 on: June 12, 2017, 08:46:25 AM »
Looks like the W. 44th & Lorain Ave. project at the SE corner is working its way to reality. YEA!!!

The next logical step in improving the W. 44th & Lorain Ave. intersection of OC is for the county and city to move all the services that are currently in the McCafferty Center to a new location, which will allow the NE corner of W. 44th & Lorain Ave to be redeveloped.

The McCafferty Health Center has to be at least 40-50 years old; is an eyesore in that area of OC as the building has not been properly maintained, and is in need of replacement imo.

I know on this OC thread there has been talk of MetroHealth Medical opening a new facility to serve the area (at Lorain & Fulton Ave.), and if that happens at Lorain & Fulton, or somewhere else in OC, I hope such a project would be held to a higher standard design wise for being in OC.

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« Reply #5000 on: June 12, 2017, 10:09:33 AM »
How odd.  Looks like the furniture bldg. had windows of ca. 1910 style, and the current plan is to make the bldg. look Victorian and fill in the vacant lot to the east with an imitation Victorian extension?  And then a contemporary appendage set onto the roof - a penthouse?
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« Reply #5001 on: June 12, 2017, 10:29:37 AM »
How odd.  Looks like the furniture bldg. had windows of ca. 1910 style, and the current plan is to make the bldg. look Victorian and fill in the vacant lot to the east with an imitation Victorian extension?  And then a contemporary appendage set onto the roof - a penthouse?

Heck yeah. Took me a second to realize this wasn't a teardown.

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« Reply #5002 on: June 12, 2017, 12:01:10 PM »
How odd.  Looks like the furniture bldg. had windows of ca. 1910 style, and the current plan is to make the bldg. look Victorian and fill in the vacant lot to the east with an imitation Victorian extension?  And then a contemporary appendage set onto the roof - a penthouse?

Heck yeah. Took me a second to realize this wasn't a teardown.

It is a tear down.

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« Reply #5003 on: June 12, 2017, 12:07:56 PM »
How odd.  Looks like the furniture bldg. had windows of ca. 1910 style, and the current plan is to make the bldg. look Victorian and fill in the vacant lot to the east with an imitation Victorian extension?  And then a contemporary appendage set onto the roof - a penthouse?

Heck yeah. Took me a second to realize this wasn't a teardown.

It is a tear down.

Interesting. It looks substantially like the original building facade.

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« Reply #5004 on: June 12, 2017, 12:15:49 PM »
Look at the windows, especially on the second floor. Totally different.
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« Reply #5005 on: June 12, 2017, 12:46:17 PM »
Look at the windows, especially on the second floor. Totally different.

Agree they look different. I just thought they were being restored to match the building next door.

Anyhow, it looks right for this corner. Lorain is blowing up.

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« Reply #5006 on: June 16, 2017, 05:54:28 PM »
Couple pics from today...

Second floor going up on Detroit and 25th. Moving quickly now - none of the wood was up as of this morning.


All the exterior work seems to be done on the old Spaces building. All new windows in and workers have been very busy inside for awhile now.


Also, the building catty-corner from the old Spaces has been undergoing a complete gutting. Not sure exactly whats going on with it, but lease signs are still up, so I'm assuming its still going to be offices.

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« Reply #5007 on: June 18, 2017, 12:31:34 PM »
Two very exciting proposals for Irishtown Bend. Although these are described as being early in the process indications are they could appear before design review by end of summer.  To 'me' great public spaces are as critical as any issue discussed here on a daily basis. Irishtown Bend is a game changer. 

http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2017/06/a_zip_line_at_irishtown_bend_a.html#incart_river_home
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« Reply #5008 on: June 18, 2017, 01:13:40 PM »
It looks like they are putting the trees where the open views should be along W. 25th St., and the open views where the trees should be down along the riverfront.  I'd like to see some more natural habitat lining the river's edge.

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« Reply #5009 on: June 18, 2017, 07:32:54 PM »
Edit: never mind.  said something without reading the article first
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