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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #60 on: April 16, 2018, 08:46:38 AM »
If Carnegie Avenue through Midtown shocked you, East Cleveland might shake your faith in humanity. See my April 1 posting, which is no April fool's joke.

Jeezus, glad I didn't end up there by accident!


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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #63 on: April 16, 2018, 01:12:27 PM »

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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #64 on: April 16, 2018, 03:38:51 PM »
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5248661,-81.5824522,3a,75y,214.78h,73.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCcNXKm5dYBXyZ_LpTZRqqQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Wow. Turning that streetview back to 2007 it looks like such a normal, stable, even nice area - https://goo.gl/maps/8WAjtjZtQdo

And then 10 years later it looks like Berlin after the war...

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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #65 on: April 16, 2018, 05:06:20 PM »
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5248661,-81.5824522,3a,75y,214.78h,73.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCcNXKm5dYBXyZ_LpTZRqqQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Wow. Turning that streetview back to 2007 it looks like such a normal, stable, even nice area - https://goo.gl/maps/8WAjtjZtQdo

And then 10 years later it looks like Berlin after the war...

So much damage in so short a time.  And the longer this goes on, the bigger the problem Cleveland eventually has to absorb.

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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #66 on: April 16, 2018, 05:19:10 PM »
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5248661,-81.5824522,3a,75y,214.78h,73.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCcNXKm5dYBXyZ_LpTZRqqQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Wow. Turning that streetview back to 2007 it looks like such a normal, stable, even nice area - https://goo.gl/maps/8WAjtjZtQdo

And then 10 years later it looks like Berlin after the war...

Not that it really makes any difference to today's reality, but on the one side there was a building (Huron Hospital) that was demolished when the hospital closed in 2011. The other side is an apartment building where the owners sold all the aluminum windows for scrap. So this area looks way worse than it would otherwise (Still horrible). There are so many streets that look terrible it is embarrassing. I feel bad for all the property owners who take care of their properties, but being the only ones to do so on an entire street of decay.

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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #67 on: April 16, 2018, 06:29:41 PM »
And the city officials there preside over it like they're due some respect or tribute, like some sort of landlords. The city is approaching the point where large sections of it simply need to be demolished and start over. Some urban farming is about all that can be justified now. Perhaps in 100 or 200 years from now they will find subterranean remnants of the old city upon which the new city is being built.
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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #68 on: April 16, 2018, 07:10:02 PM »
And the city officials there preside over it like they're due some respect or tribute, like some sort of landlords. The city is approaching the point where large sections of it simply need to be demolished and start over. Some urban farming is about all that can be justified now. Perhaps in 100 or 200 years from now they will find subterranean remnants of the old city upon which the new city is being built.

It's not going to get better  any time soon
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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #69 on: April 16, 2018, 07:29:43 PM »
Are you telling me that Brandon King is not on the up and up?

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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #70 on: April 16, 2018, 09:07:51 PM »
One morning I went to East Cleveland to get a building permit.  I got to City Hall around 10:30 and found the building locked.  Several people were standing around out front because they had court dates and didn't know what to do.  I called office numbers until I got someone, told them there was a small crowd waiting all morning to get in.  They basically said "oops" and sent a janitor to unlock the door.

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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #71 on: April 17, 2018, 11:11:35 AM »
WOOPS
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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #72 on: April 23, 2018, 04:09:37 PM »
From: https://twitter.com/Brodie76/status/988481837017255938

Great read by @WEWS

Despite looking like a war zone, buildings on an East Cleveland street won't be demolished soon https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/video-of-abandoned-east-cleveland-street-raises-questions-about-demolition-program

My drone footage from this weekend




Despite looking like a war zone, buildings on an East Cleveland street won't be demolished soon
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/video-of-abandoned-east-cleveland-street-raises-questions-about-demolition-program
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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #73 on: May 15, 2018, 03:07:27 PM »
@NickCastele
Ohio auditor's office is out with an audit of East Cleveland's 2014 finances. Confirms what was already known—a big cut in spending over the prior year. General fund spending fell 20 percent from '13 to '14. https://ohioauditor.gov/auditsearch/Reports/2018/City_of_East_Cleveland_14-Cuyahoga.pdf



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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #74 on: May 15, 2018, 03:34:30 PM »
I had a conversation with a long time Cleveland business man a month ago.  He said it's being deliberately run down, planned neglect...  in the next 5 years or so, some developer will come along and pick it up for nothing, with large incentives to clean up, redevelop areas with subsidy for new infrastructure....

Didn't seem too far fetched.

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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #75 on: May 15, 2018, 03:39:06 PM »
I used to do these audits for a living, and I just looked at the full audit report referenced above.  You can't really tell from this report because it's on an accrual basis and you'd need cash basis reports, but I'm not even sure where they are getting the cash to pay for the expenses the report says they paid. If they are pulling this off it must be by the narrowest of shoestrings, with all the other city funds contributing every last dime to make up the general fund deficit.

Usually what ends up happening when a city has a negative balance in their general fund, is that another fund (illegally) makes up the difference. Typically this can be the utility funds or street funds, often flush with cash but that is only allowed to be spent for specific purposes. On paper the city records an expense to the general fund, deep into the red, but since the utility and general fund money is all in the same bank account, the check clears. While the expense is recorded from the general fund, what's really happening is the other fund is loaning money to the general fund.

In East Cleveland's case, the net total of all funds together appear to be negative so it's hard to discern where the cash is coming from. The state did not offer them a solvency loan.

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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #76 on: May 15, 2018, 07:17:43 PM »
I just gotta know how they managed to collect $2100 in hotel tax revenue.   What hotel is there?  And is it hourly?

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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #77 on: May 15, 2018, 07:53:26 PM »
I WAS JUST WONDERING THAT!

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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #78 on: May 15, 2018, 09:42:14 PM »
McCall's Motor Inn: https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g50207-d122212-Reviews-McCall_s_Motel-Cleveland_Ohio.html

It appears to be all you could want from a motel in East Cleveland.


Also of note is the Town House Motel, which, while technically in Cleveland, has the bonus that their Google website link leads to black porn.  So if you're looking for motels in East Cleveland at work, there's that on your browser history.

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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #79 on: May 15, 2018, 10:16:12 PM »
McCall's Motor Inn: https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g50207-d122212-Reviews-McCall_s_Motel-Cleveland_Ohio.html

It appears to be all you could want from a motel in East Cleveland.


The TripAdvisor review of McCall's Motor Inn with the title of "HIDDEN GEM" is the funniest thing I've read in a while.

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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #80 on: May 15, 2018, 11:49:10 PM »
^Just did a google streetview of the place--14660 Euclid--its a classy place. Liquor store next door--boarded up "donuts & restaurant" on the other side--and Super Wash with "Free Dry" across the street!

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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #81 on: May 15, 2018, 11:53:54 PM »
McCall's Motor Inn: https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g50207-d122212-Reviews-McCall_s_Motel-Cleveland_Ohio.html

It appears to be all you could want from a motel in East Cleveland.


The TripAdvisor review of McCall's Motor Inn with the title of "HIDDEN GEM" is the funniest thing I've read in a while.

They offer hourly rates for those in a hurry.

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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #82 on: May 16, 2018, 01:29:29 PM »
The ruins on Chapman stuff is just really depressing and sad.

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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #83 on: May 22, 2018, 01:35:09 PM »
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5248661,-81.5824522,3a,75y,214.78h,73.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCcNXKm5dYBXyZ_LpTZRqqQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Wow. Turning that streetview back to 2007 it looks like such a normal, stable, even nice area - https://goo.gl/maps/8WAjtjZtQdo

And then 10 years later it looks like Berlin after the war...

I didn't realize they had knocked down such a solid building. That's a huge bummer.

On a more general note, as far gone as much of the building stock is, there is still a lot of solid housing stock on the residential streets southeast of Euclid. Obviously there are abandoned houses scattered throughout, but a lot of those blocks have residents that clearly care and are doing the best they can with such giant old houses.

https://goo.gl/maps/vywsZmmtHcT2

The section between Euclid and Forest Hill Ave is particularly solid.

https://goo.gl/maps/q7RpReqHDM12

https://goo.gl/maps/TwR8dMD75HN2

Rosemont Rd is probably my favorite, though.

https://goo.gl/maps/mEQm2RmBGY32
https://goo.gl/maps/ZvUCTi6UVfP2


A critical factor of those residential streets is that, despite having some still-widespread abandonment, the houses are overwhelmingly intact. The streets aren't bombed-out urban prairies and, on top of that, the houses are unique and significant. I wouldn't sleep on this section of EC because as soon as conditions are right (meaning, the city can actually provide services) I think these streets will rapidly receive attention.


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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #84 on: May 23, 2018, 03:01:45 AM »
at least they still have Angela Mia pizza

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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #85 on: July 23, 2018, 04:50:32 PM »
Judge tosses out cash-strapped East Cleveland's rental-occupancy fee program, deeming it unconstitutional after challenges from major landlords. https://t.co/NfA8ZhYf4Z #CRE
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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #86 on: July 23, 2018, 06:18:18 PM »
We all saw this exact result coming from the moment they announced the increase. Its true, many cities charge higher than $100. South Euclid charges $200 for a single family home - but we have inspections, and a cap on what can be charged for multi family. East Cleveland had neither.

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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #87 on: July 23, 2018, 07:44:27 PM »
What happens to a city in the state of Ohio if just can't pay its bills, its cops, or anyone? Can the state of Ohio dissolve its charter and "give" the land to the city of Cleveland? what would happen to any existing creditors of E CLE debt?

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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #88 on: July 23, 2018, 10:48:09 PM »
Fiscal Caution, Watch and Emergency
When a local government or Ohio school system encounters budgetary problems, it may be placed in fiscal caution, fiscal watch or fiscal emergency status.
https://ohioauditor.gov/fiscaldistress.html


East Cleveland has been in fiscal emergency since 1988.
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Re: What Happened to East Cleveland?
« Reply #89 on: July 24, 2018, 02:21:36 AM »
I find East Cleveland so intriguing.

Went to Cleveland on vacation with a few buddies, and we decided to casually drive through the area as it was becoming twilight.

I thought circa 2001 Over the Rhine was bad...East Cleveland probably surpasses it. I've been to many cities in America and across Europe and what I saw of East Cleveland was probably the most depressing state of a portion of a city I've s seen in my 20 years of traveling. Honestly surprised this doesn't get more nationwide news coverage.

Btw, driving at night was absolutely terrifying. Even in our locked up SUV, a homeless man standing at the corner came up and attempted to open the door to the SUV as we were sitting on a red light. Then he began to take some object and bang the windows with said object. There was a small crack but luckily nothing major.

Pretty archetecture in some areas for sure of East Cleveland, but many of the structures look like they need to be emergency razed. It's sad, because it seems like East Cleveland could be a stand out neighborhood if it wasn't for the fact it's terrifying.