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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: The 9 / Rotunda / County Admin Development
« Reply #2310 on: July 02, 2015, 09:51:42 AM »
Erocc, you're aware, right, that there are already several outdoor dining areas along sidewalks in Downtown Cleveland?  This is isn't some newfangled experiment...

Anyone want to guess why Heinens is putting out patio enclosures? I don't think they're required unless there's alchohol consumption.  Maybe just for aesthetics? Would be awesome if they let you drink store-bought beer right there...
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« Reply #2311 on: July 02, 2015, 09:52:05 AM »
^^You know, outside seating in downtown restaurants isn't exactly a rare phenomenon. Somehow every city in the world seems to manage despite having homeless populations, panhandlers and gutterpunks.
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« Reply #2312 on: July 02, 2015, 10:17:16 AM »
Erocc, you're aware, right, that there are already several outdoor dining areas along sidewalks in Downtown Cleveland?  This is isn't some newfangled experiment...

Anyone want to guess why Heinens is putting out patio enclosures? I don't think they're required unless there's alchohol consumption.  Maybe just for aesthetics? Would be awesome if they let you drink store-bought beer right there...

Smoking, perhaps?

This one seems different, perhaps because it's a main commercial street and the sidewalk is pinched so hard.

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: The 9 / Rotunda / County Admin Development
« Reply #2313 on: July 02, 2015, 11:47:47 AM »
Or you could sit down for some nice al fresco dining, enjoy the city, and stop worrying. Tear down the walls of fear, eRocc! Be free! :)
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« Reply #2314 on: July 02, 2015, 12:34:02 PM »
Not a fan of seeing the sidewalk pinched so narrow.

Guess I'm not the only one.  That's a heavy traffic area, or at least it should be.

 It might be kind of uncomfortable for most people to sit that close to an active sidewalk, and there's the issue of beggars and potential crime.    If it's a public sidewalk, can they run off panhandlers who camp right there?


Beggars and potential crime? I go to Heinen's usually 3-4 times per week and and have only encountered a beggar around there two or three times. And what kind of potential crime do you speak of?

I dunno, you can always walk away from them, but if you are sitting still you are a better potential target.  Especially when eating somewhere expensive.  And that sidewalk is bottlenecked pretty good.

It seems like they'd have to put the tables in easy reach of people walking by.  Other places I have seen aren't neccesarily with reach.

Oh well, spotting potential problems is what I do for a living so I may be pessimistic....


I've seen the Downtown Partner folks handle situations where people hassle outdoor patrons. Even then, I've only seen that issue arise once or twice.

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: The 9 / Rotunda / County Admin Development
« Reply #2315 on: July 13, 2015, 09:47:24 AM »
As I've said before, let's not be so hasty in calling the downtown Heinen's the most beautiful grocery store in the world.  The U.S., perhaps.  But Europe....  A few months ago I showed photos of the Food Hall at the Harrod's flagship store in London.  This is about the Yeliseyevsky grocery store in Moscow:
https://www.likealocalguide.com/moscow/yeliseyevsky-store
I had thought our Mayfield Heights Yeliseyevsky's, which is a great store for a local ethnic food place, was named for a local individual, but it turns out it must be named for the Moscow emporium.

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« Reply #2316 on: July 13, 2015, 10:21:26 AM »
From this article on Crain's (http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20150713/BLOGS14/150719949/columbus-roads-resurgence-gains-a-professional-firms-office)  re. the Spaghetti House building:

More movement on East Ninth Street

The sphere of influence of Geis Cos. on East Ninth Street in downtown Cleveland has taken a step farther south.

The Streetsboro-based builders and developers recently assumed management of The New York Spaghetti House, a one-time landmark restaurant at 2173 E. Ninth St. and the parking lot next door to it, a prized location near Progressive Field. The properties abut the south side of the garage on East Ninth that serves Geis’ The 9, the mixed-use office, hotel, apartment and retail complex between Euclid and Prospect Avenues.

Asked what Geis’ plans are for the property, Greg Geis had a surprising answer in an email.

“Just the property manager,” Greg Geis wrote, adding in a subsequent email that neither he nor brother Fred Geis has an ownership stake in Spaghetti House. The answer was a surprise, as Downtown Investment Group LLC lists to the family-owned development and construction concern’s address in Streetsboro, where tax bills will also be sent.

Greg Geis said he does not know of plans for the long-empty building. He did not respond to question’s about the identity of the client.

The seller was R. House Cleveland LLC, a real estate company led by Rascal House owner-operators Michael and Fouly Frangos, who acquired it last year.

Though things changed a lot on East Ninth Street since 2014, nothing significant changed at this property. Neither did the sale price: Downtown Investment Group paid $1.5 million, the same figure R. House paid, according to Cuyahoga County land records.

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: The 9 / Rotunda / County Admin Development
« Reply #2317 on: July 22, 2015, 10:22:00 AM »
Let's, please, keep referring to the building as the "New York Spaghetti House building," and the restaurant has been gone many years and I wouldn't want someone to come across a post and think it's still going.....  As the building is one of the oldest downtown, and would fit well into the Warehouse District, I hope it is not the next historic threat for demolition! :police:

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« Reply #2318 on: July 22, 2015, 11:18:16 AM »
Let's, please, keep referring to the building as the "New York Spaghetti House building," and the restaurant has been gone many years and I wouldn't want someone to come across a post and think it's still going.....  As the building is one of the oldest downtown, and would fit well into the Warehouse District, I hope it is not the next historic threat for demolition! :police:

Sorry to be the one to break the bad news, but...

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,7006.msg764832.html#msg764832

New York Spaghetti House: Case 15-048
2173 East 9th Street
Demolition

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2015/07232015/index.php

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« Reply #2319 on: November 05, 2015, 09:20:31 AM »
Michelle Jarboe ‏@mjarboe  13 minutes ago
Geis Cos. plans repositioning at The Vault at @The9CLE. Diversifying into food w/ gastropub-type options, departure from pure nightclub.

Michelle Jarboe ‏@mjarboe  11 minutes ago
Geis Cos. rep uses the term "gastro-lounge" to describe planned shift in branding, vibe for The Vault at @The9CLE.

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: The 9 / Rotunda / County Admin Development
« Reply #2320 on: December 01, 2015, 12:15:24 PM »
Geis could get into some hot water over apparently displaying ads on his big display board on East 9th that don't have anything to do with The 9/Heinen's/parking/county administration building...

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2015/crr12-14-2015.pdf

Board of Zoning Appeals

DECEMBER 14, 2015

9:30 Violation Notice
Calendar No. 15-164: 900 Prospect Ave. Ward 3
Joe Cimperman
Geis Tower Garage LLC, owner, appeals under the authority of Section 76-6 of the Charter of the City of
Cleveland and Section 329.02(d) of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances and disputes the Notice of Violation
V15020044 issued on June 23, 2015 by the Cleveland Department of Building and Housing for failure to
comply with Section 350.10(k) regarding compliance with the conditions of the City Planning Commission
Approval; per the minutes of the City Planning Commission hearing this signage was approved for the sole
purpose of being “project based for anything within the complex” also, “the advertising is limited to the on
premise uses; it is not anticipated that someone who is part of the complex would advertise other products”.
Advertisement of off premise products and services constitutes a billboard and not an identification sign. (filed
July 22, 2015 – No Testimony) FIRST POSTPONEMENT MADE AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPELLANT; SECOND
POSTPONEMENT MADE AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY’S LAW DEPARTMENT AND COUNCILMAN
CIMPERMAN.
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« Reply #2321 on: December 01, 2015, 12:17:35 PM »
^ I was wondering about that. I live right around the corner from there and quite often have seen ads on the boards that have nothing to do with the 9 complex, which I had thought was prohibited. I just assumed they eventually got some permission from the city for it. Guess not...
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« Reply #2322 on: December 14, 2015, 12:45:31 PM »
At The 9 in downtown Cleveland, $77 million refinancing comes a year early (photos)
By Michelle Jarboe, The Plain Dealer
on December 14, 2015 at 11:33 AM, updated December 14, 2015 at 1:09 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio – The strong downtown apartment market and brisk business at the Metropolitan hotel made it possible last month for the Geis Cos. to secure an early refinancing of portions of The 9 complex on East Ninth Street.

Property records show that JP Morgan Chase & Co. closed Nov. 23 on a $77 million loan spanning the former Ameritrust tower, now home to 104 high-end apartments and the Metropolitan, and the project's main parking garage on Ninth.

MORE:
http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/12/at_the_9_in_downtown_cleveland.html
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« Reply #2323 on: February 02, 2016, 03:14:47 PM »
Cuyahoga County can't recover millions lost in Ameritrust purchase, judge rules
By Sabrina Eaton, cleveland.com
on February 02, 2016 at 1:06 PM, updated February 02, 2016 at 2:16 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cuyahoga County's much ballyhooed legal effort to recover millions of taxpayer dollars lost in its purchase of the Ameritrust complex has been tossed out of court by a visiting judge who ruled its claims were filed too long after the corruption crisis surfaced.

Visiting Judge Patricia Cosgrove ruled that the case's May 2014 filing date exceeded the six-year statute of limitations.

MORE:
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/02/court_pans_cuyahoga_countys_bi.html
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« Reply #2324 on: February 03, 2016, 01:23:25 PM »
Cuyahoga County can't recover millions lost in Ameritrust purchase, judge rules
By Sabrina Eaton, cleveland.com
on February 02, 2016 at 1:06 PM, updated February 02, 2016 at 2:16 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cuyahoga County's much ballyhooed legal effort to recover millions of taxpayer dollars lost in its purchase of the Ameritrust complex has been tossed out of court by a visiting judge who ruled its claims were filed too long after the corruption crisis surfaced.

Visiting Judge Patricia Cosgrove ruled that the case's May 2014 filing date exceeded the six-year statute of limitations.

MORE:
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/02/court_pans_cuyahoga_countys_bi.html

Considering what was done with those buildings and the positive impact it has had, suing was a bit nervy. 

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Re: Cleveland: Downtown: The 9 / Rotunda / County Admin Development
« Reply #2325 on: July 07, 2016, 08:31:33 AM »
Noticed this morning that the Cleveland Trust clock was being taken apart and worked on. I know they were interested in making it work again. Would be a cool feature to have run again!


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« Reply #2326 on: July 07, 2016, 07:11:55 PM »
Noticed this morning that the Cleveland Trust clock was being taken apart and worked on. I know they were interested in making it work again. Would be a cool feature to have run again!


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So many things being fixed/cleaned for RNC visitors that were never fixed/cleaned for life-long Clevelanders....
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« Reply #2327 on: July 08, 2016, 08:12:44 AM »

So many things being fixed/cleaned for RNC visitors that were never fixed/cleaned for life-long Clevelanders....


It is a bit sad that it took the RNC to get some of these things done around the city.  But at least we'll be able to benefit from the upgrades, fixes, repairs, cleanings, etc after the RNC has come and gone.

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« Reply #2328 on: July 08, 2016, 08:17:10 AM »
Noticed this morning that the Cleveland Trust clock was being taken apart and worked on. I know they were interested in making it work again. Would be a cool feature to have run again!


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« Reply #2329 on: July 08, 2016, 08:18:46 AM »
I would assume that is  temporary while they repair the clock. It better be, lol


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« Reply #2330 on: July 08, 2016, 08:59:35 AM »
I would assume that is  temporary while they repair the clock. It better be, lol


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Yeah, it just looks like paper inside there, so definitely looks like a temporary place holder.

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« Reply #2331 on: July 08, 2016, 04:22:36 PM »
Well, considering the time of the post, maybe it's just a digital clock proclaiming it to be 9 am!

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« Reply #2332 on: October 21, 2016, 08:25:48 AM »
I am trying to plan an event for my company and was in touch with someone at the 9 and to my surprise she said Vault is no longer open to the public and no longer a nightclub but just being used for private events. I found that very odd  That was part of the huge hype when that place opened. Anyone know what happened there?

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« Reply #2333 on: October 21, 2016, 08:40:08 AM »
My mom lives in the building. She said between Azure and Vault it was getting a little crazy and they decided to close Vault while they reevaluate. Vault may reopen as something different.

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« Reply #2334 on: October 21, 2016, 08:54:56 AM »
That makes sense. Hope they can make that work as a public space again because the space itself is really unique. Maybe less "clubby" more just bar/lounge. Thanks for the info!

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« Reply #2335 on: October 21, 2016, 01:04:00 PM »
I am trying to plan an event for my company and was in touch with someone at the 9 and to my surprise she said Vault is no longer open to the public and no longer a nightclub but just being used for private events. I found that very odd  That was part of the huge hype when that place opened. Anyone know what happened there?

The last couple times I ventured down there while showing people around it was empty.   

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« Reply #2337 on: June 05, 2017, 01:39:47 PM »
A couple of weeks ago some friends from out of town were staying at The 9 after a wedding.  We went back with them for a few drinks (in the Vault & Azure).  I never got to see the Vault previously as a nightclub, but it was nice to see it now and we actually got a tour of some of the rooms that weren't "officially" open yet.  Crazy how many vaults were actually in the old bank!!!

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Tom Heinen added, “we view people as an asset to be leveraged, not a cost to be minimized.”