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Offline SleepyLeroy

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Re: Cincinnati: Downtown: Terrace Plaza Hotel
« Reply #360 on: December 04, 2017, 03:14:58 PM »
In the hotel portion the rooms are quite small, but the 8' ceilings did not bother me at all with such an expansive view. If the footprints were opened up a bit even the upper floors I could see being apartments/condos. Not everyone wants a cavernous loft space, they would just have to market it to those who appreciate the style.

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Re: Cincinnati: Downtown: Terrace Plaza Hotel
« Reply #361 on: December 04, 2017, 03:20:16 PM »
^Do you mean "small" for a hotel room? Or "small" for an apartment?

CF3 posted a few photos from the tour: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1762334680445991&id=116290788383730

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Re: Cincinnati: Downtown: Terrace Plaza Hotel
« Reply #362 on: December 04, 2017, 03:31:16 PM »
I'd describe them as "small for a hotel room". Much smaller than your typical new-build 1-bedroom apartment. If you wanted to install kitchens, you'd probably need to combine two units.
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Re: Cincinnati: Downtown: Terrace Plaza Hotel
« Reply #363 on: December 04, 2017, 03:32:14 PM »
Small for an apartment/condo for sure. Pretty small for a hotel room, but nothing outrageously small. It's a single room with a small bathroom attached. Could never be made into apartments/condos without knocking down walls.

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Re: Cincinnati: Downtown: Terrace Plaza Hotel
« Reply #364 on: December 04, 2017, 03:39:46 PM »
Boutique hotels tend to have some very small rooms - I don't think the Terrace Plaza rooms are any smaller than rooms at 21C, for example. In bigger cities I've stayed in hotels with much smaller rooms. A mid-century modern themed boutique hotel could probably work well here since the bones are all already actual mid-century modern. A low ceiling works well with that aesthetic.

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Re: Cincinnati: Downtown: Terrace Plaza Hotel
« Reply #365 on: December 04, 2017, 05:19:48 PM »
I talked with a contractor who walked through recently, and the real problem with the 8' ceilings is that's only available where there's no utilities, basically concrete to concrete.  Over the room entrances, bathrooms, and hallways where you have pipes and ductwork (more of which will be required for all new mechanicals, since what's there is shot) that means you're pushing down to the 7' level which starts to get quite oppressive.

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Re: Cincinnati: Downtown: Terrace Plaza Hotel
« Reply #366 on: December 04, 2017, 11:01:32 PM »
I talked with a contractor who walked through recently, and the real problem with the 8' ceilings is that's only available where there's no utilities, basically concrete to concrete.  Over the room entrances, bathrooms, and hallways where you have pipes and ductwork (more of which will be required for all new mechanicals, since what's there is shot) that means you're pushing down to the 7' level which starts to get quite oppressive.
If existing mechanicals are shot, they should be ripped out and that space should be used for the new mechanicals. Anybody have photos of the hotel rooms and hallways? If the old ducts were too small, it might require some creative rework... but you definitely want to minimize encroaching on the 8' ceiling heights.

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Re: Cincinnati: Downtown: Terrace Plaza Hotel
« Reply #367 on: December 05, 2017, 09:24:55 AM »

The halls were the lowest "feeling" part of the Hotel portion and you can see the metal track where the later added (and now removed) drop ceiling was at about 8" above the door transom. That fiberboard panel covered the front of the original fluorescent indirect lamp that also included an illuminated room number. I guess it got covered in a previous remodel but it is still there. If removed it would also raise the door area up to the level of the lowered ceiling.

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Re: Cincinnati: Downtown: Terrace Plaza Hotel
« Reply #368 on: December 05, 2017, 10:49:34 AM »
@SleepyLeroy thanks for that photo of the hallway... do you have a photo of the illuminated room number that you said is still there?

21c renovated  a mid-century bank into "The Durham" hotel in Durham, NC which turned out awesome: https://thedurham.com/

Across the street is an old mid-century motel that was recently renovated as well, dialing the nostalgia up to 11: http://www.unscriptedhotels.com/

There's enough demand for mid-century modern that it seems like a no-brainer to renovate the top of the Terrace Plaza into a mid-century modern boutique hotel. (I'm not sure what would be the best use for the lower levels).

Looking at the mechanicals in that photo, it seems pretty manageable. There's electric for lighting and smoke detectors and there's a sprinkler system. There don't seem to be any ducts through the hallway. I definitely wouldn't want them to put the drop ceiling back up. It'd be better to leave the sprinkler system exposed (which is quite common in historic rehabs). Not sure where they currently run ducts for heating/cooling, but many hotels give each room their own system (so each room's temperature can be managed independently). Those systems are usually quite small and fit into the wall with the bathroom in each room, so you wouldn't need to sacrifice any ceiling height in the rooms either.

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Re: Cincinnati: Downtown: Terrace Plaza Hotel
« Reply #369 on: December 05, 2017, 12:06:30 PM »
^^^ No sadly the Room numbers are well hidden and i didnt want to get escorted out by pulling the fiberboard off. I sure was tempted though. They had some drawings there and one showed a section view but nothing head on. Maybe another floor has them exposed but not the case up on the floor we were allowed to tour. They did say that SOM if REALLY excited about the new interest and gave them all the original drawing and even want to volunteer in what ever way they can if it can be restored. In another cool bit i was told that they are pretty sure the original front overhand and TERRACE PLAZA sign still exist under that awful tacked up awning at the entrance. 
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Re: Cincinnati: Downtown: Terrace Plaza Hotel
« Reply #370 on: December 05, 2017, 12:39:59 PM »
^That's awesome that SOM is involved and wants to help.

That original awning looks great in the photo, though I would guess the concrete has deteriorated (due to rusting structural rebar) over the years and would probably need to be entirely rebuilt to look clean like that photo. 

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Re: Cincinnati: Downtown: Terrace Plaza Hotel
« Reply #371 on: December 07, 2017, 03:26:43 PM »
If anyone is interested, I posted a bunch of images from the tour I went on this weekend here.

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Re: Cincinnati: Downtown: Terrace Plaza Hotel
« Reply #372 on: December 07, 2017, 05:05:56 PM »
^thanks so much @ryanlammi!

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Re: Cincinnati: Downtown: Terrace Plaza Hotel
« Reply #373 on: December 14, 2017, 08:53:11 PM »
My takeaway from the evening walk tonight: Sixth Street would easily be the CBD’s best, most vibrant street if the Terrace Plaza came back to life. This project should be downtown’s number one priority.

(Especially off they dropped the solid brick facade like in Birkla’s rendering)

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/08/04/developer-unveils-bold-plan-for-deteriorating.html
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Re: Cincinnati: Downtown: Terrace Plaza Hotel
« Reply #374 on: December 14, 2017, 10:29:15 PM »
^On a few of my fantasy transit maps, the Terrace Plaza is demolished in order to open a work site for a central subway station station with 400-foot platforms in line with Sixth St.