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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #360 on: March 20, 2015, 02:02:20 PM »
^ But then you're just dumped from the "highway-esque" road to the neighborhood streets further in.  When a highway reaches a built-up area, a neighborhood, a "place" where people live, work, and play, they SHOULD become neighborhood streets with parked cars, stop signs, sidewalks, bikers, etc.  It's these "stroads" (street-road hybrids) that are the most dangerous because they take highway geometries and design criteria and overlay them onto streets with many intersections and where people cross and buildings affront, and that's what causes crashes and deaths.  By continuing the highway through the neighborhood it sends the signal "keep driving fast" when the message should be "slow down and pay attention to your surroundings."  It's not a rural location anymore, so rural highway design is wholly inappropriate.

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #361 on: March 20, 2015, 02:12:00 PM »
KY 9 hugs the Licking River, passes under I-275, then heads up the hill to US 27 and becomes the AA Highway.  The gigantic 27/AA cloverleaf seems incredibly overblown, since the AA devolves into a Super 2, then just a marked local road about ten miles southeast.  The AA Highway has spurred zero development, and you could always get to Ashland on Ohio's 52 which was upgraded to a divided 4-lane a decade or two earlier.  The whole thing is pork.  The fact that so many reading this will be unfamiliar with where I'm talking about is because there is such a comically small amount of traffic on the AA.  There's probably less on the AA than on US 27 in that area. 

Again, this extension of KY 9 into Newport is about creating a continuous upgraded road from Ovation to I-75 via the recently widened 12th St. in Covington. 


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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #362 on: March 20, 2015, 03:03:14 PM »
KY 9 hugs the Licking River, passes under I-275, then heads up the hill to US 27 and becomes the AA Highway.  The gigantic 27/AA cloverleaf seems incredibly overblown, since the AA devolves into a Super 2, then just a marked local road about ten miles southeast.  The AA Highway has spurred zero development, and you could always get to Ashland on Ohio's 52 which was upgraded to a divided 4-lane a decade or two earlier.  The whole thing is pork.  The fact that so many reading this will be unfamiliar with where I'm talking about is because there is such a comically small amount of traffic on the AA.  There's probably less on the AA than on US 27 in that area. 

Again, this extension of KY 9 into Newport is about creating a continuous upgraded road from Ovation to I-75 via the recently widened 12th St. in Covington. 



I still can't believe the 12th street project got through without scrutiny, I thought this was the 2010s not the 1950s.

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #363 on: March 20, 2015, 04:09:42 PM »
It's an ugly streetscape, just a notch or two less-worse than Libery St.  It is mainly just between I-75 and Madison Ave., where they tried to Band-Aid it with brick in the street, but it ended up looking fake.  There is still a section that hasn't been widened between the Cathedral and the Licking River bridge. 

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #364 on: March 20, 2015, 06:59:51 PM »
KY 9 hugs the Licking River, passes under I-275, then heads up the hill to US 27 and becomes the AA Highway.  The gigantic 27/AA cloverleaf seems incredibly overblown, since the AA devolves into a Super 2, then just a marked local road about ten miles southeast.  The AA Highway has spurred zero development, and you could always get to Ashland on Ohio's 52 which was upgraded to a divided 4-lane a decade or two earlier.  The whole thing is pork. The fact that so many reading this will be unfamiliar with where I'm talking about is because there is such a comically small amount of traffic on the AA.  There's probably less on the AA than on US 27 in that area. 

Again, this extension of KY 9 into Newport is about creating a continuous upgraded road from Ovation to I-75 via the recently widened 12th St. in Covington. 



my thoughts when reading this were 'what is he talking about?'

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #365 on: March 21, 2015, 11:04:28 PM »
^ But then you're just dumped from the "highway-esque" road to the neighborhood streets further in.  When a highway reaches a built-up area, a neighborhood, a "place" where people live, work, and play, they SHOULD become neighborhood streets with parked cars, stop signs, sidewalks, bikers, etc.  It's these "stroads" (street-road hybrids) that are the most dangerous because they take highway geometries and design criteria and overlay them onto streets with many intersections and where people cross and buildings affront, and that's what causes crashes and deaths.  By continuing the highway through the neighborhood it sends the signal "keep driving fast" when the message should be "slow down and pay attention to your surroundings."  It's not a rural location anymore, so rural highway design is wholly inappropriate.

I generally agree with this, but it's my understanding that KY9 would be rerouted away from the neighborhood, not transform these narrow residential streets into overly wide highway-lite roads.  Instead of turning abruptly to the right, it will continue straight along the river and eventually connect to the TS bridge.  Is that correct? If the plan is to simply increase the capacity of the current route and then connect through the vacant Ovation site, than I'm definitely against that.
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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #366 on: October 06, 2015, 11:10:08 AM »
Land for Ovation might signal start of mega project
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City Manager Tom Fromme said the city will pay Newport on the Levee $2 million to buy the parking lot at the intersection of Fourth and Columbia streets, the former site of Riverside Ford dealership. The city will then sell the land for the same price to Ovation's developer, Corporex, Fromme said.
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2015/10/06/land-ovation-might-signal-start-mega-project/73440626/

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #367 on: July 11, 2016, 09:21:08 PM »
Just gonna leave this here...


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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #368 on: July 12, 2016, 12:14:37 PM »
So has that hotel topped out? What a missed opportunity to add some diversity in height. I mean, I don't think we wanted something 15 stories but a couple higher than its neighbor, yes.

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #369 on: July 12, 2016, 12:30:53 PM »
Its got that Soviet appeal.
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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #370 on: July 12, 2016, 02:37:38 PM »
They are going to have a rooftop bar so I guess it will be a little higher then that.

On a more related note I've always thought the Ovation site would be such a great location for a stadium that looks into the city.  Too bad it's a different state.  Jealous of how the Pittsburgh stadiums look into the city skyline since it's all the same city across their three rivers. 

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #371 on: July 12, 2016, 02:44:28 PM »
They are going to have a rooftop bar so I guess it will be a little higher then that.

On a more related note I've always thought the Ovation site would be such a great location for a stadium that looks into the city.  Too bad it's a different state.  Jealous of how the Pittsburgh stadiums look into the city skyline since it's all the same city across their three rivers.

I've always wished Great American and Paul Brown were built facing the opposite direction, which would have made for a much more interesting view for TV.

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #372 on: August 17, 2016, 02:25:10 PM »
Corporex buys nearly 3 acres for massive riverfront development



Corporex Cos. LLC closed on its purchase of nearly 3 acres of land next to the real estate development companyís long-planned Ovation development in Newport.

An affiliate of Corporex, C.P.X. Newport Commercial Development LLC, purchased the 2.75-acre parking lot at the northwest corner of Fourth and Columbia streets from the city of Newport for $2 million. The city had purchased the property from Newport on the Levee for the same amount earlier this year.

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #373 on: August 17, 2016, 04:14:45 PM »
Whoever owns the surly Riverchase Apts right behind the flood wall is holding out for top, top dollar...all the while raking in that rent. 

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #374 on: August 18, 2016, 08:43:35 AM »
Whoever owns the surly Riverchase Apts right behind the flood wall is holding out for top, top dollar...all the while raking in that rent.

Not exactly top dollar rental apartments I think 2 bedroom units going for 750. None the less its Brown Properties that owns the complex.

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #375 on: December 08, 2016, 10:07:18 PM »
Corporex still working on Ovation



On hold since 2008, Corporex continues to work on plans for its Newport riverfront development, Ovation.

Tom Banta, managing director of Corporex Cos., mentioned the project on Thursday morning at the Business Courierís Forty Minutes, a program that catches up with past Forty Under 40 honorees. Banta is a 2000 Forty Under 40 winner.

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #376 on: December 08, 2016, 10:08:54 PM »
^Last night I heard the streetcar from the NKY waterfront. 

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #377 on: December 24, 2016, 02:34:51 PM »
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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #379 on: March 29, 2018, 02:14:42 AM »
The remaining public housing near the Ovation site is being gutted and demolished.  Not a peep from the gentrification crowd:

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #380 on: March 29, 2018, 08:44:34 AM »
^ Newport's been doing this since the late 1990s. Where Newport Pavllion currently is was once Cote Brindle neighborhood (or something along those lines). There was a small church where Kroger is now that had a pool that was open to the public.

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« Reply #381 on: March 29, 2018, 10:29:53 AM »
There was a meeting yesterday morning with the Newport Business Association called "Invest in the West" talking about the developable land and buildings on the Westside of Newport. The owner of New Riff Distillery was there, as well as a few others. I couldn't make it, during work hours, but there is a push for smaller developers to start investing in the land and housing stock over there as Ovation sits around awaiting the possibility of FC Cincinnati. The housing stock isn't nearly as nice or large as the East Side, but there is a lot more room for new construction so it should provide a nice opportunity for large size new construction that isn't available in most of the rest of the urban core (very similar situation to Cincinnati's West End).

Newport likes to talk about decentralizing poverty, and they were fierce adopters of Hope VI and other section 8 opportunities. For whatever reason, there isn't nearly as much talk or worry about gentrification in Newport. I'm not sure if it's because the poor is primarily white compared to Cincinnati and Covington, or if it's because the more conservative Kentuckians don't have the same compassion for the poor being helped by what they see as government handouts and entitlement programs. I think it's a mixture, but either way NKY is almost always pro-development with little to no thought on how it will affect the residents.

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« Reply #382 on: March 29, 2018, 11:10:47 AM »
There was a meeting yesterday morning with the Newport Business Association called "Invest in the West" talking about the developable land and buildings on the Westside of Newport. The owner of New Riff Distillery was there, as well as a few others. I couldn't make it, during work hours, but there is a push for smaller developers to start investing in the land and housing stock over there as Ovation sits around awaiting the possibility of FC Cincinnati. The housing stock isn't nearly as nice or large as the East Side, but there is a lot more room for new construction so it should provide a nice opportunity for large size new construction that isn't available in most of the rest of the urban core (very similar situation to Cincinnati's West End).

Newport likes to talk about decentralizing poverty, and they were fierce adopters of Hope VI and other section 8 opportunities. For whatever reason, there isn't nearly as much talk or worry about gentrification in Newport. I'm not sure if it's because the poor is primarily white compared to Cincinnati and Covington, or if it's because the more conservative Kentuckians don't have the same compassion for the poor being helped by what they see as government handouts and entitlement programs. I think it's a mixture, but either way NKY is almost always pro-development with little to no thought on how it will affect the residents.

Is there anything like neighborhood Community Councils in NKY? On the Cincinnati side, those Community Councils tend to be where a lot of the opposition comes from (at least these days).

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« Reply #383 on: March 29, 2018, 12:01:36 PM »
I can only speak to Newport, which has an East end, Clifton, Cote Brilliante, etc. neighborhood groups that meet monthly. Mostly they talk about community events, parking issues, and sometimes developments. I think the West End doesn't have much of a community presence, and therefore not as much leadership for opposition. There is also a smaller percentage of home ownership in the West Side, which I think creates apathy in the residents.

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« Reply #384 on: March 29, 2018, 12:15:56 PM »
I can only speak to Newport, which has an East end, Clifton, Cote Brilliante, etc. neighborhood groups that meet monthly. Mostly they talk about community events, parking issues, and sometimes developments. I think the West End doesn't have much of a community presence, and therefore not as much leadership for opposition. There is also a smaller percentage of home ownership in the West Side, which I think creates apathy in the residents.

Does it? I was a community council trustee when I was a renter and largely don't attend community council meetings as a home owner.

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« Reply #385 on: March 29, 2018, 02:12:52 PM »
I just think that when so many of the buildings are owned by people who don't live in the neighborhood, or even the city of Newport, that there is less 'community stakeholder' attitude. The apathy might also be related to years of public housing getting leveled to the point where attrition has weeded out most of the opposition. This isn't an indictment on any lower income residents, who are often too busy working multiple jobs, raising kids and trying to make ends meet to have time or flexibility to attend community meetings.

I just hope that Newport isn't putting all of it's eggs in the FCC basket because I still feel like it's Linder's last choice. The city or county needs to work on brownfield remediation to make all the lots along the new AA highway shovel ready, and they need to pressure Corporex that if FCC chooses another site besides Newport that it's time to shit or get off the pot and divide the land between multiple developers.

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Re: Newport, KY: Ovation
« Reply #386 on: March 29, 2018, 02:58:05 PM »
My guess is that they don't really want the stadium because it would upset all of the plans they have already had, not the least being roads.  The roads were just rebuilt.  I have a hard time believing that the situation over there is going to be anything less than traffic hell.  A much smaller venue than Paul Brown but with a fraction of the road capacity.