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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #29910 on: July 16, 2017, 03:45:54 PM »
What?? I don't get it.  Does she think there's a trade off between trains and streetcars, like the city has funds stashed somewhere that can be spent on one or the other but not both? Most people who support trains also like streetcars because in most cities that have both, streetcars take passengers to train stations!  Somebody please buy her an escorted trip/tour to Union Station in Toronto!🚃🇨🇦

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« Reply #29911 on: July 16, 2017, 06:11:10 PM »
^ Wow, someone actually posted that online? What a poorly written statement.

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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #29912 on: July 19, 2017, 10:05:36 PM »
Thank you, sir.

Streetcar project director leaving Cincinnati for out-of-state job



After many years in Cincinnati, the "streetcar czar" is moving on.

John Deatrick, who for the past three years oversaw the Cincinnati streetcar project, will begin a new job in Maryland in August, the Enquirer reports.

Deatrick had applied to replace Cincinnati Parks Director Willie Carden Jr., who retired this year. But the Cincinnati Park Board instead chose Wade Walcutt, former parks director in Greensboro, N.C., for the position. Walcutt started with Cincinnati Parks this week.

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/07/19/streetcar-project-director-leaving-cincinnati-for.html
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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #29913 on: July 19, 2017, 11:36:06 PM »
Thank you, sir.

Streetcar project director leaving Cincinnati for out-of-state job



After many years in Cincinnati, the "streetcar czar" is moving on.

John Deatrick, who for the past three years oversaw the Cincinnati streetcar project, will begin a new job in Maryland in August, the Enquirer reports.

Deatrick had applied to replace Cincinnati Parks Director Willie Carden Jr., who retired this year. But the Cincinnati Park Board instead chose Wade Walcutt, former parks director in Greensboro, N.C., for the position. Walcutt started with Cincinnati Parks this week.

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/07/19/streetcar-project-director-leaving-cincinnati-for.html

Did Cranley do this???
JD is an asset anywhere he goes.

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« Reply #29914 on: July 20, 2017, 08:58:46 AM »
Deatrick was abuptly fired by the city at the end of 2016. (They should've kept him on to fix the remaining problems with the streetcar, but of course this city administration wouldn't do that...) Then Cranley ran a commercial blasting Deatrick during the mayoral primary campaign season. That's a pretty disgusting move on Cranley's part... Deatrick is not a politician, he's a private citizen who served his city and delivered the streetcar project to us ahead of schedule and under budget.

Best of luck to John, hopefully the city administration in his new home will appreciate him for his skills and abilities.

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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #29915 on: July 31, 2017, 01:19:30 PM »
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There were 61,404 streetcar rides in June.  The highest number so far for 2017. Compares to 53,116 in May. July numbers not available yet.
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Re: Cincinnati Streetcar / Cincinnati Bell Connector News
« Reply #29916 on: July 31, 2017, 01:45:13 PM »
July numbers not available yet.
12:52 PM - 31 Jul 2017
 


Yeah, because it's still July. 

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« Reply #29917 on: July 31, 2017, 01:46:30 PM »
Those are some decent numbers. Hopefully similar gains in July. Still quite a bit below the necessary average of 83,333 to get to 1,000,000 annual riders, but moving in the right direction.

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« Reply #29918 on: July 31, 2017, 02:16:38 PM »
I had some buddies in town this past weekend and we took the connector from the Banks to Findlay on Saturday around 1.  It had on there delay but kept saying 3 mins, took about 15 minutes to get there.

Like so many others have said here, doing a simple fix like light timing would speed it up so much.  You get picked up at the Banks, it stops right after, then you go, then stops again right away.  Also on the run at Main and 12th there was a delay, three cars had pulled all the way into the streetcar turning lane, they all had to back up, all three in line.  Once you get past around 6th street or so, it moves pretty well.  It was also very packed, but it was frustrating sitting there and waiting on it...

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« Reply #29919 on: July 31, 2017, 02:28:36 PM »
^We're a year into this and the real-time arrival signs rarely work.  People get frustrated and just call Uber or walk. 

I don't hesitate to speculate that because of the non-functioning and/or deceptive signage, the long waits between streetcars due to red lights and most streetcars sitting in the car barn most of the time, ongoing problems with the fare machines, and competition from Uber/Lyft, the system is missing at least 1,000 riders per day, even before any consideration of making it free to ride. 

It's my observation that most of the streetcar ridership to and from Rhinegeist is older tourists and visitors with kids.  The 20/30 year-olds who take transit in other cities gave up on riding the streetcar between The Banks and Rhinegeist a long time ago. 
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« Reply #29920 on: July 31, 2017, 02:35:55 PM »
All easily fixable problems. Just need an administration that wants to fix them.

Detroit opened their streetcar less than three months ago. They are already making changes to get more cars on the tracks and give it signal priority to make it faster.

Detroit's administration wants their streetcar to succeed. Cincinnati's current administration doesn't.

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« Reply #29921 on: July 31, 2017, 03:54:12 PM »
Yeah, I was just thinking dang, how silly is this that they have so much issues which could easily be fixed... I also agree with Jake, there could be an extra 1,000 riders per day if they got the timing issue figured out.

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« Reply #29922 on: July 31, 2017, 04:01:48 PM »
there could be an extra 1,000 riders per day if they got the timing issue figured out.

Precisely why Cranley doesn't want the issues fixed.

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« Reply #29923 on: July 31, 2017, 04:06:27 PM »
^And ridership would be much, much higher if we ran four streetcars all the time and made the thing free.  That's what Kansas City is doing and they're regularly getting weekend ridership that compares or exceeds our opening weekend ridership.  That was the only time in the streetcar's history when we had good headways and the thing was free and we got 50,000 rides. 

KC just had triple our ridership for June 2017 for a system with a lightly shorter track and one fewer streetcar.  Its highest ridership day was 17,000+ and it has had 50+ days with over 10,000 rides. 

The formula for high ridership is clear -- run a lot of streetcars and make it free. 

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« Reply #29924 on: July 31, 2017, 04:20:47 PM »
i hate real time arrival signage. its never accurate. well maybe in spurts, but never over time.

it may be that the gps tech is glitchy over small distances if that is what is used or something like that, but i suspect the staff dont want it to be accurate so they can take more time jibber jabbering or having coffee.

what i like better i found in of all places on the tashkent metro, where the countdown clocks marks when the last train left rather than when the next one is supposed to arrive. seems much less open to transit employee shenanigans or accuracy issues.

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« Reply #29925 on: July 31, 2017, 05:12:41 PM »
Real time arrival works great for grade separated transit systems, because there are few things that can throw them off. Mechanical troubles or a boarding that took unexpectedly long time could disrupt, but that's about it. The times given on the platforms on the LA red line are pretty much exactly right.

For busses and streetcars that operate in mixed traffic, it's much harder. The bus I take to get to the subway each morning and afternoon offers a live tracking system on the LADOT website. You see the map of the route, and th bus icon moving around in real time. Works great, even though there is no arrival info at the stops. 

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« Reply #29926 on: July 31, 2017, 06:15:58 PM »
We shouldn't ever have to worry about accuracy of the system beyond 10 minutes because there should never be a 10-minute wait.  Meanwhile, if streetcars came every five minutes, large groups wouldn't be able to purchase their tickets in time to catch the thing.

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« Reply #29927 on: August 01, 2017, 08:03:34 AM »
^That's the impression I got, why not have it arrive every 12 minutes, do everything you absolutely can to make that happen, even if it means spending *gasp* one million dollars to give it signal priority and some more of it's own lanes in certain choke points. 

It seems it could use some cones or flashing LED's on some of the turns too.

All that said, my buddies really liked Cincinnati and the historic areas and thought the streetcar / lightrail was really cool and honestly there isn't a better way to get from the Banks to Findlay than that, even if we walked that would take a long time on a hot day with 3 friends from out of town.

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« Reply #29928 on: August 01, 2017, 09:09:46 AM »
For busses and streetcars that operate in mixed traffic, it's much harder. The bus I take to get to the subway each morning and afternoon offers a live tracking system on the LADOT website. You see the map of the route, and th bus icon moving around in real time. Works great, even though there is no arrival info at the stops. 
We have this too - its called bus tracker (http://bustracker.go-metro.com)

It's been documented that the locations are not always correct, but they do seem to eventually correct themselves and it's still pleasing to be able to see car movement.

The problem is that this is a barely passable app when used in a desktop web browser. It is nearly unusable on a phone. Thus, it is effectively useless.

Why SORTA refuses to do the work to make a great mobile friendly app that features this, is mind-boggling. It has data for many bus lines too.

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« Reply #29929 on: August 01, 2017, 09:14:44 AM »
^That's the impression I got, why not have it arrive every 12 minutes, do everything you absolutely can to make that happen, even if it means spending *gasp* one million dollars to give it signal priority and some more of it's own lanes in certain choke points. 
At least, we've heard that they finally will do the downtown traffic study. In the best case, the BSB and Lytle tunnel work will be finished, a good traffic study and recommendations for efficient transit will come next, and we'll kick Cranley out in November and have an administration that actually wants to do meaningful things for citizens - like improve traffic flows - instead of pandering to rich donors.

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« Reply #29930 on: August 01, 2017, 09:18:30 AM »
A third party person made a bus/streetcar mobile tracker for Android. I'm sure the same could be done pretty easily for iPhones if someone knows how to do it. I was talking to a streetcar operator a few weeks ago while we waited for another streetcar to get further ahead and decrease congestion, and even he was using this app.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lobotrock.cincystreetcarmapper&hl=en
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« Reply #29931 on: August 01, 2017, 09:25:29 AM »
^ That's great. Having it for iOS is obviously important. And, it's even more mind-boggling now, why SORTA won't just pay this dude for the app, and figure out how to port and maintain it.

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« Reply #29932 on: August 01, 2017, 09:44:10 AM »
SORTA would get slammed if they spent any money on anything streetcar related. Remember, the big push of their upcoming sales tax is "100% of this will go to buses, no money from SORTA gets spent on anything streetcar related."

So the city would have to pay the guy for his app... which brings us back to Cranley.

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« Reply #29933 on: August 01, 2017, 09:52:29 AM »
^I don't think this is really an issue. Bustracker includes 45 bus routes in addition to the streetcar. That's more than enough cover for something like having a decent app for their riders. It's something they should have done a long time ago and I'd guess many of their riders would applaud it.

And I think the non-riders would look at it as a sign that maybe SORTA can change into the forward-thinking agency that can make good use of additional tax payer money. It's my assumption that SORTA is itself a big part of the problem, in terms of perception, for getting a levy passed.

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« Reply #29934 on: August 01, 2017, 10:32:54 AM »
It doesn't even need to be an app, they could just make the website mobile-friendly with proper menus and navigation.  As it is, on a mobile device it doesn't register taps/clicks, thinks you tapped on something you meant to scroll past, and pinch to zoom doesn't know whether you want to zoom the page or the map.  It's really not that hard a problem to fix. 

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« Reply #29935 on: August 01, 2017, 10:41:52 AM »
^ Are you talking about the Bus Tracker website? The vendor that makes that software already has a mobile-friendly version of it, but they want money for it, they won't just give it to Metro for free.

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« Reply #29936 on: August 01, 2017, 11:01:06 AM »
No, the app has just made the real time part of Metro's site mobile friendly.  So you can pick a route easily and see where every bus on that route is.  I'm a big fan and use it daily.

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« Reply #29937 on: August 01, 2017, 12:28:52 PM »
No, the app has just made the real time part of Metro's site mobile friendly.  So you can pick a route easily and see where every bus on that route is.  I'm a big fan and use it daily.
Can you please be more explicit. What is "the app" you refer to?

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« Reply #29938 on: August 01, 2017, 01:56:14 PM »
In google play it is called cincy streetcar and bus gps.  It was intially streetcar only but has been updated and is super valuable.

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« Reply #29939 on: August 01, 2017, 02:39:58 PM »
Visitors aren't going to know of the existence of this app, let alone wait around for it to download onto their phone.  What's more, real-time arrival information doesn't make the bus get to you any quicker.